The Punk Subculture

Hyorinmaru

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I apologize before hand but this is going to be a Will sized post due to the fact that there is a lot about the Punk Subculture that I'm going to tell you. I would like yo to read the whole thing but feel free to pick and choose. I'll reference songs but I will go more in depth into Punk Music in another thread as well as a few of the people I will mention in the punk fashion section.

First up a little bit of general Punk history

General History
The Punk subculture is a 'youth movement' based around Punk Rock music and started in the US & UK in the Mid 1970s and quickly spread around the world. Australia, South Africa & Japan also played host to the early Punk scene.



The Punk Subculture has it's own Subculture the most well known being the Straight Edge Life Style. If you want to know about more PM me and I'll tell you all about it.

Straight Edge
Yes Straight Edge is a Punk Subgenre. The name Straight Edge came from the Song Straight Edge by the Hardcore Punk band Minor Threat. they themselves had a lot of what came to be Straight Edge Ideals. Those ideals where forgoing any and all drugs (including nicotine) and alcohol. Straight Edge started on the East coast but quickly spread throughout the US and Canada

The X Symbol
The most common of all the Straight Edge Symbols the X could be either tattoed on or drawn on in regular ink mostly commonly on the hand but anywhere on the body would do. The X was to let other people know that they couldn' or wouldn't drink any alochol (depending on ther age). the X came about when the Hardcore Punk band the Teen Idles were scheduled to play ina san Francisco club. They were all under the Legal drinking age and were almost denied entrance in the club. Management decided to compromise by putting a big black X on each of their hand so the bartender knew not to sell them drinks. Due to the Straight Edge Scene being closely linked with Hardcore Punk music this quickly became the norm in the entire Straight Edge Subculture when they wanted people to know they didn't want or drink alcohol.



according to William Tsitsos (A Sociology Professor @ Townson University) the Straight Edge Subculture has gone through 3 different Eras since it began in 1980.

Old School Era (1970s and early 1980s)
Straight Edge sentiments could be heard in songs from the Early 1970s band The Modern Lovers and their songs I'm Straight and She Cracked. Another early Punk song that had strong Straight Edge tones was Keep it Clean by the English Punk Band The Vibrators.


Youth Crew Era (Mid 1980s)
During this Era the influence of music on the Straight Edge scene was at an all time high. During this time the band Youth of Today became associated with the straight edge scene, and their song Youth Crew expressed a desire to unite the Straight Edge scene into a movement. The biggest theme during this era was the association of the Straight Edge Scene with vegetarianism. In 1988, Youth of Today released the song No More, which initiated this new theme within the subculture. Lead singer Ray Cappo displayed his vegetarian views in the lyrics: Meat-eating, flesh-eating, think about it. So callous this crime we commit.This began a trend of animal rights and veganism within straight edge that would reach its peak in the 1990s.

1990s & 2000s (no fancy name for this one)

1990s

by the 1990s militant Straight Edge was a big part of the scene. Militant meaning someone who is dedicated and outspoken, but also believed to be narrow-minded, judgmental, and potentially violent. The Militant Straight Edge movement saw less tolerance for non-straight-edge people, more outward pride in being straight edge, more outspokenness, and the willingness to resort to violence in order to promote clean living. Also veganism as a part of the Straight Edge Culture reached it's peak at this time and was reflected by bands such as Birthright, Earth Crisis, Path of Resistance and Warcry that promoted militant straight edge and animal rights messages. In the mid-1990s, a number of bands advocating social justice, animal liberation, veganism, and straight edge practices displayed a stronger metal influence.

2000s
After the 1990s, some of the more controversial aspects that surrounded straight edge began to disappear, partly in response to media reports portraying the movement as a type of gang. (Really not much else to put)


to end the Straight Edge portion I will post a picture of perhaps the most famous Straight Edge Punk in the world today Phillip Brooks.
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Up next is Punk Fashion again we'll start with a little history and move into the different Subcultures.


General history
Punk fashion is the different styles of of clothing, hairstyles, cosmetics, jewelry, and body modifications of the punk subculture. Punk fashion varies from the Vivienne Westwood styles to styled molded on bands like The Exploited. Punk fashion has been influenced by other Subcultures and art movements such as glam rock, skinheads, rude boys, greasers, and mods. Punk fashion has in turn influenced those Subcultures as well as popular culture. Punk fashion is used by punks as a way to make a statement.


Now that you know the general history we're going back into the original styles of Punk fashion all the way to today's Punk fashion of the various factions of the Punk Subculture.


Original Styles
The original punk fashions of the 1970s were intended to appear as confrontational, shocking and rebellious as possible. This style of punk dress was significantly different from what would later be considered the basic punk look. Many items that were commonly worn by punks in the 1970s became less common later on, and new elements were constantly added to the punk image. Punk fashion in the 1970s was based on the designs of Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren. Punk fashion was also influenced by the dress styles of such Punk bands and artists as the Ramones, Richard Hell, Patti Smith and the Bromley Contingent. Mainstream punk style was influenced by clothes sold in Malcolm McLaren's shop SEX. McLaren has credited this style to his first impressions of Richard Hell while McLaren was in New York City, supposedly managing the The New York Dolls.

Deliberately offensive T-shirts were popular in the early punk scene, such as the infamous DESTROY T-shirt sold at SEX, which featured an inverted crucifix and a Nazi Swastika. These T-shirts, like other punk clothing items, were often torn on purpose. Other items in early British punk fashion included: Anarchy symbols; brightly-colored or white and black dress shirts randomly covered in slogans such as Only Anarchists are pretty; fake blood; patches; and deliberately controversial images such as portraits of Marx, Stalin and Mussolini were popular. Leather rocker jackets and customized blazers were early, and are still a common fixture of punk fashion.

Preferred footwear include military boots, motorcycle boots, Brothel creepers, Chuck Taylor All-Stars, and Doc Martens. Tapered jeans, tight leather pants, pants with leopard patterns, and bondage trousers were popular choices. Hair was cropped and deliberately made to look messy; in reaction to the long smooth hairstyles that were common in the 1960s and early 1970s. Hair was often dyed bright unnatural colors. Although provocative, these hairstyles were not as extreme as later punk hairstyles, such as liberty spikes or the Mohawk hairstyle.

Other items worn by some punks included: BDSM fashions; fishnet stockings (sometimes ripped); spike bands and other studded or spiked jewelry; safety pins (in clothes and as body piercings); silver bracelets and heavy eyeliner worn by both men and women. Many female punks rebelled against the stereotypical image of a woman by combining clothes that were delicate or pretty with clothes that were considered masculine, such as combining a Ballet tutu with big, clunky boots.

Punk clothing sometimes incorporated everyday objects for aesthetic effect. Purposely-ripped clothes were held together by safety pins or wrapped with tape; garbage bags became dresses, shirts and skirts. Other items added to clothing or as jewelry included razor blades and chains. Leather, rubber and vinyl clothing have been common, possibly due to their connection with transgressive sexual practices, such as bondage and S&M.


Punk Fashion in the 1980s
When punk underwent its 1980s hardcore, Oi!/streetpunk, and UK82 renaissance, new fashion styles developed as parallel resurgences occurred in the United States and United Kingdom. The 1980s American scene spawned a utilitarian anti-fashion that was nonetheless raw, angry, and intimidating. In the UK, much of the punk music and fashion in the 1980s was influenced by heavy metal and the Oi! scene. However, elements of the 1970s punk look never fully died away. What many recognize as typical punk fashions today emerged from the 1980s British scene, exemplified by bands such as The Exploited, Subhumans, Charged GBH, and The Partisans. Some of the following clothing items were common on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean, and some were unique to certain geographic areas.

Footwear that was common in the 1980s punk scene included Doc Martens, motorcycle boots and steel-toed combat boots; sometimes adorned with bandannas, chains or studded leather bands. Jeans (sometimes dirty, torn or splattered with bleach) and tartan kilts or skirts were commonly worn. Leather skirts became a popular item for female punks. Heavy chains were sometimes used as belts. Bullet belts, and studded belts (sometimes more than one worn at a time) became common.

Some punks bought T-shirts or plaid flannel shirts and wrote political slogans, band names or other punk-related phrases on them with marker pens. While this was not without precedent in the 1970s, the depth and detail of these slogans were not fully developed until the 1980s. Silkscreened T-shirts with band logos or other punk-related logos or slogans were also popular. Studded, painted and otherwise customised leather rocker jackets or denim vests became more popular during this era, as the popularity of the earlier customized blazers waned.



Hair was either shaved, spiked or in a crew cut or Mohawk hairstyle. Tall mohawks and spiked hair, either bleached or in bright colors, took on a more extreme character than in the 1970s. Charged hair, in which all of one's hair stands on end but is not styled into distinct spikes, also emerged. Amongst female punks, a hairstyle similar to The Misfits' devilocks was popular. This involved shaving the entire head except for a tuft at the front.



Body piercings and extensive tattoos became very popular during this era, as did spike bands and studded chokers. Sometimes bandanna were worn to indicate gang affiliation. Some hardcore punk women reacted to the earlier 1970s movement's coquettish vibe by adopting an asexual style.



now were' moving onto the contemporary Punk Fashion scene in all the different Punk factions. Current factions of the punk subculture have different clothing habits, although there's often crossover between the different subgroups in terms of style.

Standard Punk Fashion
In general, modern punks wear leather, denim, spikes, chains, and combat boots. They often wear elements of early punk fashion, such as kutten vests, bondage pants (often plaid) and torn clothing. There is a large influence by DIY-created and modified clothing, such as ripped or stitched-together pants or shirts. Hair is typically dyed in bright, unnatural colors such as red, blue, green, pink or orange and arranged into a mohawk or liberty spikes. Hair could also be cut very short or shaved. Belts with metal studs, and bullet belts, are popular. Leather or denim jackets and vests often have patches or are painted with logos that express musical tastes or political views. Pants are usually tapered tightly. Metal spikes or studs are often added to jackets and vests.


Hardcore Punk Fashion
There are several styles of dress within the hardcore scene, and styles have changed since the genre started as hardcore punk in the late 1970s. What is fashionable in one branch of the hardcore scene may be frowned upon in another. Clothing styles are often chosen to make moshing easier to perform. Plain working class dress and short hair (with the exception of dreadlocks) are usually associated with hardcore punk. Mute colors and minimal adornment are usually common. Some elements of hardcore clothing are baggy or tight jeans or work pants, athletic wear, cargo or military shorts, khakis or cargo pants, band T-shirts, plain T-shirts, and band hoodies. Many hardcore punks wear sportswear and sneakers, including Pony, Adidas, Puma, Nike, and Converse apparel. Personal comfort and the ability to mosh are highly influential in this style (Jewellery, spikes, tight clothes, flashy hair and chains are highly uncommon and discouraged in hardcore fashion.)


Anarcho-Punk Fashion
Anarcho-punk fashion is a politicized adaptation of traditional punk fashion. This all black militaristic fashion was pioneered by Crass in the United Kingdom and by T.S.O.L. in the United States. A prominent feature is the heavy use of anarchist symbols and slogans. Some whom define themselves as Anarcho-Punks may opt to wear clothing similar to traditionalist punks or crust punks, but not often to the extreme of either subculture. Mohawks, and liberty spikes are rarely seen, but can still be worn. Tight pants, bands shirts and boots are common. Hair styling products are often used only on the basis that the company who manufactures it did not test it on animals. Leather, often avoided as part of Veganism, may be replaced with imitation leather or cloth in a similar design as leather products.


Crust Punk Fashion
Crust punk fashion is an extreme evolution of traditional punk fashion, and is heavily influenced by bands such as Doom, Amebix and Antisect. Typical crust punk fashion includes black or camouflage trousers or shorts covered in patches (heavy work pants are popular for their durability), torn band T-shirts or hoodies covered in patches, studded vests and jackets (commonly black denim), bullet belts, jewelry made from hemp and other natural/found objects, and sometimes bum flaps. Patches, even band patches, are often of a political nature. Clothing tends to be unwashed and unsanitary by conventional standards, and dreadlocks are popular. Crust punks sometimes sew articles of clothing with found or cheaply-bought materials, such as dental floss. Baseball caps with patches sewn on or studs implanted are popular headgear. Pants are often held up with string, hemp, or vegan-friendly imitation leather (sometimes avoided due to the style's connection with animal cruelty)


Horror Punk Fashion

Horror punk fashion is similar to goth fashion. Black is the predominant shade. Horror punk incorporates a sexier image, incorporating fishnets, corsets and elaborate make-up for men and women. The use of occult and horror imagery is prevalent on T-shirts, buttons, patches and jewelery. Other common adornments include band names painted on jackets or bleached into clothes, as well as buttons or patches indicating cities. Hair may be in deathhawk style (a wider teased-out variant of the Mohawk hairstyle), an angled bangs style, or in a devilock style. The traditional 80's Gothic Rock gave birth to the teased Mohawk, unlike the Punk Mohawk which was often fanned or spiked the Goth Mohawk which is often referred to as the Death Hawk was slightly wider and teased, often crimped as well.


Skate Punk Fashion
A skate punk is a skateboarder who listens to punk rock. Common clothing items include: open plaid button-down shirts, wristbands, webbed belts, T-shirts, baggy shorts or jeans, and hooded sweatshirts with patches or spraypainted graphics. Some skate punks have been influenced by the Cholo/gang style. Skateboard clothing and footwear brands are commonly worn, such as: Baker, Emerica, Fallen, Spitfire Wheels, Toy Machine, Black Label, Vans, Globe International and Zero. While most skaters have long and messy hair, skate punks usually have short hair. Examples: Nofx, Pennywise, and Millencolin.


Pop Punk Fashion

Pop punk fashion sometimes overlaps with skater punk fashion. Contemporary pop punk fans often wear items such as band T-shirts with ties or scarves; blazers; Dickies pants, jeans or shorts; studded belts; Converse All-Stars or Vans skateboarder shoes, and sometimes fitted hats.


Droog Fashion

Some punks dress similarly to the droogs in the film A Clockwork Orange. This involves white boiler suits, bowler hats, black Doc Martens or combat boots, suspenders and sometimes black eye makeup (on one eye only). This look has been displayed by bands such as The Adicts and Lower Class Brats, The Violators and Major Accident.


Suicidals
Suicidals (and some individuals in the later hardcore scene) dress in styles associated with the Cholo gang member look. Cholo punk is another term used, but is better suited for those who are more heavily influenced by the Cholo/gang culture.

This look, influenced by the California band Suicidal Tendencies, involves wearing bandannas (primarily blue in color) on one's head, Converse sneakers and other skateboard shoes, and blue plaid flannel shirts (usually worn with only the top button done up). Other commonly worn items include knee-high white socks, khaki shorts, baggy Diesel jeans and blue basketball jerseys with the number thirteen on them. Suicidal Tendencies T-shirts, as well as related band T-shirts (Beowülf, Excel and No Mercy were popular), as well as white tank tops.

This style sometimes includes a shaved head, short mohawk, crewcut or long Jay Adams-style hair. Another item associated with the Suicidals scene is a baseball cap or trucker hat with the bill upturned, and with text written or painted on it.

Another associated item is a white dress shirt with hand-drawn Suicidal related iconography on the back (Skulls, satanic imagery, the number 13 or the words Suicidal, Venice or Cyco). Many such shirts were drawn by Ric Clayton.


The Commercialization of Punk Fashion

Punk fashion has been extremely commercialized at various times, and many well-established fashion designers (such as Vivienne Westwood and Jean Paul Gaultier) have used punk elements in their products. Punk clothing, which was initially handmade, became mass produced and sold in record stores and some smaller specialty clothing stores by the 1980s. Many fashion magazines and other glamor-oriented media have featured classic punk hairstyles and punk-influenced clothing. These have caused controversy, as many punks view it as having sold out.





Up next is the Visual art associated with the Punk Subculture. there won't be a history section and then different subsections. The Visual art is all the same.

Punk Visual Art
is artwork which often graces punk rock album covers, flyers for punk shows, and punk zines. It is characterized by deliberate violation, such as the use of letters cut out from newspapers and magazines, a device previously associated with kidnap and ransom notes, so the sender's handwriting was not revealed.

Much of the earlier artwork was in black and white, because it was distributed in punk zines reproduced at copy shops, but when color was used in more expensive productions it was often characterized by being high key, such as the use of fluorescent pink and yellow contrasted with black on the cover of the Sex Pistols' Never Mind the Bollocks album designed by Jamie Reid.
LA artist Mark Vallen said:
Punk had a unique and complex aesthetic. It was steeped in shock value and revered what was considered ugly. The whole look of punk was designed to disturb and disrupt the happy complacency of the wider society. Outside of punk's torn and safety pinned anti-fashion statements, this impulse to outrage was never more apparent than on punk album covers.
Punk visual art can include anything from crudely scribbled letters to shockingly jarring figures drawn with sharp points everywhere. Often images and figures are cut and pasted from magazines to create a scene and the colors are often two tone and deeply contrasting. The main aesthetic of punk art seems to be to either shock, create a sense of empathy or revulsion, make a grander point with an acidic or sarcastic wit, poke fun at politics, political factions, or social factions, or create a humorous feel (though generally this is more prevalent in less serious, more pop/punky bands).

The Situationists influenced the look of punk art. Early punk also played a hand in the revival of stencil art, spearheaded by Crass. Usually straightforward with clear messages, punk art is often concerned with political issues such as social injustice and economic disparity. The use of images of suffering to shock and create feelings of empathy in the viewer is common.

Alternatively, there may be images of self-violation, selfishness, stupidity, or apathy to provoke contempt in the viewer. Symbols of the establishment such as the Union Jack can be employed; the British Queen was depicted with a safety pin through her cheek. It can also subvert more mundane societal norms, as in the satirical depictions of suburbia by Howard Arkley. Punk art often utilizes collage, exemplified by the art of Jamie Reid and Winston Smith. John Holmstrom was a punk cartoonist who created much artwork for the Ramones and Punk Magazine.

The Stuckism art movement had their origin in punk, and titled their first major show The Stuckists Punk Victorian at the Walker Art Gallery during the 2004 Liverpool Biennial. Charles Thomson, co-founder of the group, described punk as "a major breakthrough" in his art. Patti Smith's portrait by Robert Mapplethorpe on the cover of her album Horses has become one of rock's classic images.





Up next is Punk Dance. It is the variety of dance popular among fans of punk rock and related styles. Some of it I'm sure you're familiar with some of it you may not be. there isn't much


Punk Dance
Commonly performed at punk shows, these dances often appear chaotic, or even violent, though they are often not with violent intent, but rather for fun. The punk subculture and its immediate predecessors originated many of these dance styles from the 1970s onward. Unlike hip hop dance and breakdancing, punk dances are intended to be performed in dense crowds. Moshing (a term credited to the early hardcore band Bad Brains, known earlier as slam dancing) and the pogo (allegedly invented by Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols as he attempted to see above the heads of fellow punks at a show) are the types of dance most closely associated with punk.

Hardcore dancing is a later development based on these styles. Stage diving and crowd surfing were originally associated with protopunk bands such as the Stooges, but went on to find a place at punk shows, and later metal shows and rock concerts. Skanking, a dance style originating in Jamaica's ska and reggae scene, is commonly performed at punk shows, especially if the band also plays ska. The contemporary dances of metalheads borrow much from punk dance.





Up nest is the literature associated with the Punk Subculture.


General history of Punk literature
The attitude and ideology of punk gave rise to distinctive characteristics in the literature it manifested. It has generated a considerable amount of poetry and prose, as varied as the subculture itself. It has had an influence on the popular transgressional fiction literary genre and several science fiction and fantasy genres have been named after it.


Zines and Journalism
Punk has its own underground press in the form of punk zines. Punk zines chronicle and help to define punk. Most punk scenes have at least one punk zine, which feature news, gossip, cultural criticism, and interviews with local or touring punk rock bands. Some punk zines take the form of perzines. Important punk zines include Maximum RocknRoll, Punk Planet, Cometbus, Girl Germs, Kill Your Pet Puppy, J.D.s, Sniffin' Glue, Absolutely Zippo and Punk Magazine. Also, a number of novels, biographies, autobiographies, and comic books have been written about punk.


Poetry
Examples of punk poets include: Richard Hell, Jim Carroll, Patti Smith, John Cooper Clarke, Seething Wells, Raegan Butcher and Attila the Stockbroker. Jim Carroll's autobiographical works are among the first known examples of punk literature. The Medway Poets, a British punk performance group, was formed in 1979, and included punk musician Billy Childish. They are credited with influencing Tracey Emin, who was associated with them as a teenager. Members of the Medway Poets later formed the Stuckists art group. A description by Charles Thomson of a Medway Poets performance contrasts with the sedate image of traditional poetry.
Bill Lewis jumped on a chair, threw his arms wide (at least once hitting his head on the ceiling) and pretended he was Jesus. Billy sprayed his poems over anyone too close to him and drank whisky excessively. Miriam told the world about her vagina. Rob and I did a joint performance posing, with little difficulty, as deranged, self-obsessed writers. Sexton finally introduced us to his girlfriend, Mildred, who turned out to be a wig on a wadge of newspaper on the end of an iron pipe.
Prose and Fiction
Punk influenced the cyberpunk literary genre. Punk zines have also spawned a considerable amount of punk-oriented prose and fiction, some of which has made an impact outside of punk circles.


There are comics based on the Punk Subculture but not enough to warrant it own section.
 
It’s obvious you put a lot of work into this and I think you’ve done a really good job of putting all the information together. While it really is in interesting read Punk is something that shouldn’t be classified so heavily. The meaning of Punk isn’t in music, Dress sense or anything else that can be quantified in this sort of post. The very essence of the Punk is doing whatever the hell you want, whenever the hell you want to do it… I’m sure most people are very aware of that, but does it not seem slightly wrong to have the whole history of the Punk movement boiled down to places, facts and everything that is documented above. The fact that Punk is so heavily thought about is the thing that annoys me the most about it…. Actually that’s a lie punk doesn’t annoy me people who claim they are punk and listen to more underground music than everyone else annoy the crap out of me. People who think they have to do certain things and act a certain way to be punk, people who look down their noses if you don’t dress a certain way but listen to a certain type of music.

Many of you may know how I dress and what music I listen to, but for example when I go to the “alternative” night at a club near me and request Ska and skank my ass off people look at me like I am the scum of the earth just because I decided not to grow a Mohawk and have fucking stars tattooed all over myself. Punk doesn’t piss me off, people who try and think they are punk with little tolerance of others piss me off…. And that’s why the post above pisses me off because it just reminds me that a movement that should be the kind of movement that welcomes people into it for being different doesn’t and is the most snotty, stuck up movement on this planet.
 
First off, let me just say that you are now the coolest damn poster on here (besides myself of course). You've covered a very massive amount of the entire spectrum of punk rock, and I'll only add some notes here and there, as well as some songs. Considering the four video limit per post, this might be spread out a bit.

Old School Era (1970s and early 1980s)
Straight Edge sentiments could be heard in songs from the Early 1970s band The Modern Lovers and their songs I'm Straight and She Cracked. Another early Punk song that had strong Straight Edge tones was Keep it Clean by the English Punk Band The Vibrators.

Wow man you kind of glossed over the invention of straight edge by Minor Threat among others in the Washington, DC area during the early 80s. DC was where it all started with bands like Minor Threat, S.O.A. (Henry Rollins first band), Government Issue. Also very important at the time was the development of straight edge in Boston, which aside from DC had the strongest scene in the US with extremely raw bands like Jerry's Kids, SS Decontrol, and DYS among others. Probably my personal favorite straight edge band of this era (aside from Minor Threat of course) would have to be 7 Seconds from Reno, Nevada. They've produced some utter classics like "We're Gonna Fight" and "Young Until I Die".

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I'm going to try to only include one video per subgenre for now.

As for the Youth Crew movement, thats a part of where violent and militant straight edge really started. There were always jackasses who went to hardcore shows just to be violent and kick someone's ass, but the straight edge youth crews were among the first actual gangs to evolve out of this music scene and actively seek out people drinking or smoking and attack them because of it.

1990s & 2000s (no fancy name for this one)

1990s

by the 1990s militant Straight Edge was a big part of the scene. Militant meaning someone who is dedicated and outspoken, but also believed to be narrow-minded, judgmental, and potentially violent. The Militant Straight Edge movement saw less tolerance for non-straight-edge people, more outward pride in being straight edge, more outspokenness, and the willingness to resort to violence in order to promote clean living. Also veganism as a part of the Straight Edge Culture reached it's peak at this time and was reflected by bands such as Birthright, Earth Crisis, Path of Resistance and Warcry that promoted militant straight edge and animal rights messages. In the mid-1990s, a number of bands advocating social justice, animal liberation, veganism, and straight edge practices displayed a stronger metal influence.

The 1990's, to me atleast, is when the best straight edge hardcore of all time came out, and that's mainly due to one of my all time favorite punk bands, Refused. Refused were a part of one of the most important punk scenes of the 1990s, the Umeå hardcore scene which developed (obviously) in Umeå, Sweden during the early 90's. Mixing hardcore punk with Swedish metal overtones and extremely far-left politics (hardcore Veganism, hardcore straight-edge, extremely socialist politics). They started off with a much more metal-punk sound, but soon began experimenting with things that were universally seen as "un-punk" like synthesizers and complex melodies. Their crowning achievement was The Shape of Punk to Come, probably the most important punk album of the last 20 years. A huge influence on the development of screamo and post-hardcore a well. Other important bands from these scene include DS-13, Final Exit and Abhinanda

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Another very important straight-edge band to mention is Nation of Ulysses, the most important of the second wave of Washington DC straight-edge bands. Very influential in the formation of post-hardcore.

I'm not going to address punk fashion, because the fashion-victim "punk kids" who dominate youth culture today are fucking morons who would look at you with a blank stare if you mentioned Johnny Thunders.

Punk Dance
Commonly performed at punk shows, these dances often appear chaotic, or even violent, though they are often not with violent intent, but rather for fun. The punk subculture and its immediate predecessors originated many of these dance styles from the 1970s onward. Unlike hip hop dance and breakdancing, punk dances are intended to be performed in dense crowds. Moshing (a term credited to the early hardcore band Bad Brains, known earlier as slam dancing) and the pogo (allegedly invented by Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols as he attempted to see above the heads of fellow punks at a show) are the types of dance most closely associated with punk.

Hardcore dancing is a later development based on these styles. Stage diving and crowd surfing were originally associated with protopunk bands such as the Stooges, but went on to find a place at punk shows, and later metal shows and rock concerts. Skanking, a dance style originating in Jamaica's ska and reggae scene, is commonly performed at punk shows, especially if the band also plays ska. The contemporary dances of metalheads borrow much from punk dance.

Just a sidenote to the development of hardcore dancing and moshing in general. The original "mosh" dance was first called the "HB Strut", and was popularized in the Huntington Beach area of Orange County.

Zines and Journalism
Punk has its own underground press in the form of punk zines. Punk zines chronicle and help to define punk. Most punk scenes have at least one punk zine, which feature news, gossip, cultural criticism, and interviews with local or touring punk rock bands. Some punk zines take the form of perzines. Important punk zines include Maximum RocknRoll, Punk Planet, Cometbus, Girl Germs, Kill Your Pet Puppy, J.D.s, Sniffin' Glue, Absolutely Zippo and Punk Magazine. Also, a number of novels, biographies, autobiographies, and comic books have been written about punk.

I'd just like to mention a modern punk zine that is hands down the best available in my opinion, Profane Existence. Visit their site here atwww.ProfaneExistence.org. SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SCENE!

Good place to start with the straight-edge scene, but I probably would go through the different genres in a chronological order from proto-punk to screamo.

Seeing as how I have two video spots left, I'm going to add two songs from the most important straight-edge band of all time, Minor Threat. Hardcore punk at it's absolute finest.

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I'll be patiently awaiting your next installment.
 
I decided to give the Punk Ideology it own post. Besides I'm not sure if it will all fit into one post



The best has been saved for last I'm going to go in depth about such ideologies as Anarchy Nihilism and many, many more. We will start however with a little bit of history.

I will go deeply into the history of Anarchy in another thread because I have noticed that it is the most misunderstood of the Punk ideologies.


General history
In its original nature, the punk culture has been primarily concerned with individual freedom, which tends to create beliefs in concepts such as individualism, anti-authoritarianism, anarchism and free thought. Punk ideologies have often included a critical view of the world; seeing modern day societies as placing extensive limits on humanity. Punk ideologies are usually expressed through punk rock music, punk zines, independently-published literature and spoken word recordings.

The political ideology most often associated with punk is anarchism; however, punk has also been associated with other leftist ideologies such as social liberalism, socialism and communism. Despite the association that punk ideologies have with the left wing, some punks perceive the efforts of leftists as ineffectual, and sometimes just as objectionable as the right wing. Right-wing ideologies have appeared within punk culture, including conservatism and neo-Nazism.


Selling Out
Selling out refers to any abandonment of personal values in exchange for reciprocal gain, in the form of wealth, status, or power. Because anti-establishment attitudes are such an important part of punk ideologies, a network of independent music labels, venues, and distributors has developed. Some punk bands have chosen to break from this independent system and work within the established system of major labels. This goes against the common punk view of anti-capitalism, and some punks argue that these artists have betrayed their communities and their creative integrity is necessarily compromised. However, some artists argue that working in the major label system is a necessary evil, allowing the widest distribution of their messages.

Another meaning of selling out is for a punk band to change its musical style, such as to progressive rock, pop or heavy metal. For example, many of Black Flag's later songs show obvious metal influence, while their earlier work was mainly punk rock. Selling out also has the meaning of adopting a more conservative, mainstream lifestyle and ideology.

One example of someone accused of selling out is Garry Bushell, who largely abandoned socialism after getting a job at The Sun newspaper. However, according to Ian Glasper in his book Burning Britain, Bushell became disillusioned with the punk movement.


Anarchism
Many punks who support anarchism are known as anarcho-punks. However, some well-known punk bands such as The Exploited and The Sex Pistols sing about anarchy, but do not use the word in the sense of anarchism as a specific political philosophy. As such, they are not considered part of the anarcho-punk genre. Notable anarchist punks include: Tom Gabel, Steve Ignorant, Penny Rimbaud, Eve Libertine, Gee Vaucher, Jack Grisham, Colin Jerwood, Dave Dictor, Jello Biafra and Kelvin Morris of the band Discharge.


Apolitical Ideology
Another punk minority are those who claim not to be political, such as the band Charged GBH and the singer G.G. Allin. However, in practice, socio-political ideas do find their way into these musicians' lyrics. Charged GBH have sung about social issues and anti-war themes, such as in the songs Wardogs and No Survivors. G.G. Allin expressed a vague desire to kill the United States president and destroy the current political system in his song Violence Now. Punk subgenres that are generally apolitical include: glam punk, psychobilly, horror punk, punk pathetique, Emo, deathrock, pop punk and new wave.


Conservatism
small number of punks are conservative, embracing the punk lifestyle while rejecting the left-wing and anarchist views held by the majority of the subculture. Notable conservative punks include: Michale Graves, Johnny Ramone, Lee Ving, Joe Escalante, Bobby Steele and Dave Smalley.


Liberalism

Examples of libertarian punks include Billie Joe Armstrong (who was registered as a Libertarian Party voter in California), and Joe Young, guitarist for Antiseen. (not much but it's all I felt like finding a 3 AM)

Neo-Nazism & White Nationalism
Nazi punks, the smallest minority in punk subculture, have a far right, white nationalist ideology that is closely related to that of white power skinheads. Ian Stuart Donaldson and his band Skrewdriver are credited with popularizing white power rock music, also known as Rock Against Communism.


Nihilism
Centering around a belief in the abject lack of meaning and value to life, nihilism was a fixture in some early punk rock. Nihilist attitudes and aesthetics were apparent in protopunk and punk rock musicians. High unemployment and other socio-political conditions in the United Kingdom led to the punk slogan "No future." Notable nihilist punks include: GG Allin, Iggy Pop, Sid Vicious, Dee Dee Ramone, and Richard Hell.



Situationism
The Situationist International (SI) was allegedly an early influence on punk ideology in the United Kingdom. Started in continental Europe in the 1950s, the SI was an avant-garde political movement that sought to recapture the ideals of surrealist art and use them to construct new and radical social situations. Malcolm McLaren introduced situationist ideas to punk through his management of the band Sex Pistols. He commandeered the band members’ rebellious working-class tendencies and placed them in the context of his radical politics. Vivienne Westwood, McLaren’s partner and the band’s designer/stylist, expressed situationist ideals through album cover art and fashion that was intended to provoke a specific social response.


Socialism & Communism
The Clash were the first strongly political punk rock band, as they introduced socialism to the punk scene. Some of the original Oi! bands expressed a rough form of socialist working class populism — sometimes mixed with patriotism. Many Oi! bands sang about politically-charged topics such as unemployment, police harassment and working class power. Notable socialist and communist punks include: Attila the Stockbroker, James Dean Bradfield, Billy Bragg, Bruce La Bruce, Garry Bushell (until the late 1980s), Chris Dean, Stewart Home, Dennis Lyxzén, Thomas Mensforth, Fermin Muguruza, Picchio, Alberto Pla, Tom Robinson, Justin Sane, Seething Wells, Paul Simmonds, John Sinclair, Joe Strummer, Ian Svenonius, and Paul Weller. In the 1980s, a number of these musicians were involved with Red Wedge.


Criticism of Punk Ideologies
Punk ideologies have been criticized from outside and within. The anarcho-punk band Crass wrote the song "White Punks on Hope", which, among other things, accuses Joe Strummer of selling out and betraying his earlier principles. Their song "Punk is Dead" attacks corporate co-option of the punk subculture. Dead Kennedys frontman Jello Biafra accused the punk magazine Maximum RocknRoll of "punk fundamentalism" when they refused to advertise Alternative Tentacles records because they said the records "weren't punk". On the Conservative Punk website, Michale Graves of The Misfits argues that punks have become "hippies with mohawks". Author Jim Goad argues in his essay The Underground is A Lie!, that many punks are hypocrites. He writes that many punks act poor while hiding the fact they come from middle to upper class backgrounds. Goad claims that punk is as outdated and obsolescent as the mainstream it rails against. In Farts from Underground, he claims that the DIY ethic never produces anything original, and it allows poor quality work to be championed. He argues that in being politicized and propagandist, punk contributes to a model of alternative culture that is more bland than the mainstream. In his personal blog, Goad criticized Joe Strummer for pretending to be poor. In another blog post, Goad mocked punks' stereotypical lack of personal hygiene and overreaction to current events. In their book The Rebel Sell, Joseph Heath and Andrew Potter claim that counterculture politics have failed, and that the punk understanding of society is flawed. They argue that alternative and mainstream lifestyles ultimately have the same values.



My views on Punk
I myself am Straight Edge I have recently stopped doing all drugs and i refuse to drink any alcohol. I have my reasons mostly that drugs and alcohol have played a part in the death of a lot of my older family members I am also an Anarchist but I'll go more in depth in another thread. I have multiple piercings and tattoos which are a big big part of Punk Fashion. I first turned Punk I even had a Blue Mohawk and then a regular colored Mohawk. I know being a punk isn't for everyone but it has helped me a lot in life.

for those that like answering questions when they reply to posts: Before or after reading this do you consider yourself a Punk?


This is not my last thread on the Punk Subculture. Be on the look out for my thread on Anarchism, my thread detailing the history of a few of the originators of Punk fashion and of course my thread detailing the history of punk music with some help from xfear
 
My views on Punk
I myself am Straight Edge I have recently stopped doing all drugs and i refuse to drink any alcohol. I have my reasons mostly that drugs and alcohol have played a part in the death of a lot of my older family members I am also an Anarchist but I'll go more in depth in another thread. I have multiple piercings and tattoos which are a big big part of Punk Fashion. I first turned Punk I even had a Blue Mohawk and then a regular colored Mohawk. I know being a punk isn't for everyone but it has helped me a lot in life.

Being Punk really is not about the way you look, it's an attitude or as the brunt of the above post suggests an ideology. If you subscribe to the attitude that you will do whatever you want whenever you want to then that would be the punk ideal, but just because you once had a Mohawk and have tattoos that doesn't make you "punk"

for those that like answering questions when they reply to posts: Before or after reading this do you consider yourself a Punk?

I dont think I'm self absorbed enough to classify myself in any group of any kind, all I can really say is I dont follow anything in particular... if I like some music I'll listen to it, if I like an item of clothing I'll buy it I'm rarely influenced by anyone of anything else in anything I do so whether or not that makes me punk is not really upto me to decide and to be honest I dont think I really care what people will label me as.
 
Being Punk really is not about the way you look, it's an attitude or as the brunt of the above post suggests an ideology. If you subscribe to the attitude that you will do whatever you want whenever you want to then that would be the punk ideal, but just because you once had a Mohawk and have tattoos that doesn't make you "punk".
I realize this. The thing is when I write something like this I like to tie in my views to what I've written about. I don't know why I do that, it probably has something to do with all the English classes I've taken where they pounded that into my head.
 
Anarchism
[/B][/U]Many punks who support anarchism are known as anarcho-punks. However, some well-known punk bands such as The Exploited and The Sex Pistols sing about anarchy, but do not use the word in the sense of anarchism as a specific political philosophy. As such, they are not considered part of the anarcho-punk genre. Notable anarchist punks include: Tom Gabel, Steve Ignorant, Penny Rimbaud, Eve Libertine, Gee Vaucher, Jack Grisham, Colin Jerwood, Dave Dictor, Jello Biafra and Kelvin Morris of the band Discharge.

First off, I find it rather odd that you listed only indivudal anarcho-punk muscians and not the actual bands they were a part of. The number one anarcho-punk band from which the entire genre owes itself to is without a doubt Crass, of which Steve Ignorant, Penny Rimbaud, Gee Vaucher, and Eve Libertine were all members of. Without Crass, there is no anarcho-punk. They really define anarcho-punks initial evolution as punk at it's absolute most raw and confrontational. But its odd that you just listed Crass member after Crass member.

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Tom Gabel is the lead singer of Against Me!, which while holding many anarchist ideas, is not actually an anarcho-punk band. Against Me! are fucking amazing, but they're really a folk-punk band. When we address folk-punk then they will be the first band I mention.

Jack Grisham is the lead singer of TSOL, which were also not at all anarcho-punk, so again I don't understand why he was included. TSOL were hardcore punk with some darkwave undertones, similiar to the Damned. Great band though.
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Colin Jerwood was lead singer of the absolutely amazing anarcho-punk band Conflict. They were a very intriguing band that eventually expanded beyond just anarcho-punk to experiment with everything from new wave to folk punk to metal, but their original stuff is the best. Steve Ignorant went on to join them as well and is a part of their current line-up. Unfortunately I only could find poor quality live versions of their songs on YouTube, so I'll just recommend you listen to songs like "Statement", and "The Serenade is Dead".

Dave Dictor is lead singer of M.D.C. (Millions of Dead Cops) which were an absolutely fucking AMAZING American hardcore band. Not anarcho-punk though, but still absolutely amazing. I'll include their classic song "John Wayne Was a Nazi" here. Still though, not anarcho-punk.

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Jello Biafra was lead singer of Dead Kennedys, another American hardcore band that was not at all anarcho-punk. Not much needs to be said about DK, one of the most influential hardcore bands of all time.

Discharge were really only an anarcho-punk band for their first few years, soon evolving into d-beat and grindcore before fizzling out into an awful metal band. Their early stuff is absolutely amazing however. Their album Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing is an underrated punk classic. Keep in mind this song is more d-beat then anarcho, but still great.

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Some very important anarcho-punk bands that weren't mentioned here are among others Subhumans, Flux of Pink Indians, Nausea, and Anthrax (UK). Anthrax are absolutely amazing and shouldn't be confused with the metal act of the same name. This is a song called "Exploitation" by them, and to me it's one of the greatest punk songs ever written. It absolutely explodes in your face, an atom bomb of anarcho-punk fury. Fucking amazing, listen to it right now.

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I'm going to split this post in two to include a few more songs, so bare with me.
 
I would like to take this time to thank xfear for correcting me and/or adding stuff that I missed. I did all my research between 1 AM and 3 AM this morning when I was dead tired and not paying i the attention it deserved. Not only that he's adding some kick ass songs.

Thanks for all your help X
 
Part Deux

I mentioned in the previous band two bands by the names of Subhumans and Flux of Pink Indians. Both were extremely vital anarcho-punk bands and deserve to have some vids posted. First up, Flux of Pink Indians (best band name ever). The volume on the vid is low, so you might have to turn your speakers up.

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Now on to the Subhumans, a band close to my heart. They were truly the very first anarcho-punk band I ever got into at the ripe age of thirteen from a good friend of mine. Another band that I will always remember the first time I heard them, smoking pot in my friend's bathroom with him while we ran the shower so that the steam would help kill the smoke. Amazing band that's still around to this day, along with their sister band Citizen Fish, a fantastic ska-punk band with basically the entire same crew. I would HIGHLY suggest picking up/downloading the Subhumans album "EP-LP" which collects their first four EPs, as its not only one of the very best anarcho albums ever created, it's one of the best punk albums of ALL time.

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Also worth mentioning is another of my favorite bands, Aus Rotten. They mixed anarcho punk with a more hardcore, almost D-beat styled music. I really wish I could post three or four of their songs, but unfortunately only two will have to do for now. Alongside the Refused and Toxic Narcotic, they stand as the holy trinity of 90's hardcore in my book.

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I REALLY wish I could include some songs by Toxic Narcotic as well, but that might be video overkill. Look them up ASAP though, as they are truly are the greatest hardcore band to ever emerge out of New England, Bostin specifically. Fucking brutal and amazing, check out songs like "People Suck" and "Drink".


Anarcho-punk is very close to my heart, as its a scene I've been deeply involved in in the past. I owe my love of anarcho to my best friend who lived in Germany for a few years and got taken up in the local anarcho and grindcore scenes. From there I visited him in Germany and we went to quite a few shows at crusty old squat-houses and abandoned buildings. The sense of community is amazing within the scene, as unlike most hardcore/metal scenes, there's almost no violence. Everyone is so friendly and inviting and want to include you in everything. It's that D.I.Y. and communal ethic that I fell in love with truly, and which led me to my true understanding of anarchism and it's many schisms.

I didn't address any of the political ideas you brought up because I feel it would be best to discuss these in the anarchism thread you'll be making.

I'd say consult me first before posting about all the different subgenres because sources like Wikipedia often times leave out many vital bands and important scenes, or barely skim over them.

Plus they labeled TSOL as anarcho, which is ridiculious. Their first EP is blatantly Communist with songs like "Property is Theft".
 

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