The Bullshiting About Comics Thread w/ Justin & Friends

Dunno who has seen The Amazing Spiderman yet but in the post-credits, there was a scene hinting at who might be the next villian in the sequel.

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Every sunset is just the prologue to another sunrise, and every superhero movie is just the prologue to another post-credits scene featuring a first look at a potential sequel villain. And so, the angsty web-swinging reboot The Amazing Spider-Man concludes with a brief tease for the already-in-development Amazing sequel. As far as post-credits scenes go, Amazing wins points for pure non sequitur obscurity. Very little is revealed, although much is teased. Let’s unpack it a little bit, shall we? (Spoilers from here.)

The scene begins with the captured Dr. Curt Connors being locked away in a prison cell. Lightning strikes. Suddenly, there’s another man in the prison cell. A shadowy man, covered in shadows, murmuring shadowy words with shadowy implications. “Hello, Doctor!” says the man, in a raspy voice. “Did you tell the boy?”

“Tell him what?” says Connors.

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“Did you tell the boy the truth about his father?” The man steps into the light just a little bit. We can see that he has long hair, and is holding a hat (like, a fedora) in his hands.

“No.”

“Well, that’s very good. So we’ll let him be for now.” The man walks away. Dr. Connors screams, “You should leave him alone!” But the man has disappeared.

The voice is recognizable to anyone who’s a watched any genre television in the last two decades or so. That’s Michael Massee, a character actor who specializes in playing evil dudes with raspy voices. When Massee was originally cast in Amazing Spider-Man last year, rumors circulated that he was playing an Oscorp employee named David Patrick Lowell. That appears to have been a ruse, so the question becomes: Who exactly is he supposed to be in that scene?

Since we don’t see the shadow man’s face — and since he pulls a disappearing act between lightning strikes — there’s a part of me that wants to overthink which Spider-Man villain he might be. Face-swapping spy The Chameleon? Mysterio, the Master of Illusion? Yeesh, freaking Kaine, why not? But when it comes to franchise reboots — particularly reboots that hew closely to their predecessor’s well-trodden mythology — the simplest answer is usually the right one. Earlier in Amazing, there were various references to original Spider-Man baddie Norman Osborn: He was said to be sick, even dying, which means that the formula Dr. Connors was working on was intended to cure his illness.

Osborn is certainly wealthy enough to bribe his way into a prison cell. And we can’t overlook the fact that Massee bears an uncanny resemblance to Willem Dafoe, who played Osborn back in Sam Raimi’s first Spider-Man movie. It could be that the makers of Amazing are following the same playbook established by Christopher Nolan with his Batman films: The reboot features a lesser-known nemesis (Scarecrow/Lizard), and the reboot sequel brings in the main villain (Joker/Green Goblin.)

But what the shadow man says is arguably more intriguing than who he is. Most of Amazing‘s first act is focused on Peter Parker’s deceased father, played by Campbell Scott. We see Richard Parker’s home office destroyed; we see him flee with Peter’s mother; we see the plane crash that killed them both; and we see Richard’s research. This thread is mostly dropped by the end of the movie — because, well, something something blue energy — but Amazing spends so long establishing that backstory that it feels like there must be a payoff somewhere down the line. What is the “truth” about Richard Parker? Does that just refer to Richard’s death — an accident that was clearly not an accident? Or was there even more to Richard’s research that Peter doesn’t know about?

One intriguing answer may lie in the source material. In Marvel’s “Ultimate” Universe — a parallel continuity which began a little over a decade ago — Richard Parker was a biologist who created a powerful biotechnological suit that later led to the creation of Venom, the beloved supervillain who got a decidedly halfhearted interpretation in Spider-Man 3. The Spider-Man producers have been teasing a Venom movie lately: Could this be a hint in that direction?

Or maybe…theory lightning round go! Richard Parker is actually still alive. Richard Parker was experimenting on Peter Parker as a child, which is why Peter is able to apparently control his mutation, unlike The Lizard. Peter’s real father is Norman Osborn. The man in the shadows is the Hobgoblin, and Amazing Spider-Man 2 is going to be a retelling of the epic Roger Stern Hobgoblin tale in the ’80s. The man in the shadows is the Demogoblin, and Amazing Spider-Man 2 is going to be a hot ’90s mess. The man in the shadows is J. Jonah Jameson, who has been reimagined as an all-powerful Rupert Murdoch figure. The man in the shadows is the Jackal, and Amazing Spider-Man 2 is gonna be clones, clones, clones!

Anybody care to venture a guess as to who it might be?
 
Have to say I was not impressed by the batman movie, I knew exactly who everyone was and what was going to happen about 30 minutes in. If you know the comics as soon as you see certain things the entire plot is laid out. Telegraphed is probably the word I am looking for. You should see how it is going to end well before it happens
 
I am going to ask a favor of anyone who's seen TDKR & wants to discuss. From this post on, could we please use the Dark Knight thread in teh Bar Room to discuss the movie.

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=222497

I'm trying to avoid all post on the movie at least until I get a chance to see the film, so if you could please make all your post, whether they contain spoilers or not, in that other thread I would greatly appreciate it, at least for the time being.
 
Fairly heavy week

American Vampire #29
Batman Incorporated #3
Flash #11
Venom #21
Wolverine & The X-Men #14

Just finished reading the first tpb of Garth Ennis's run on Punisher MAX, holy fucking shit. If you are looking for a brutally violent, well written Punisher you need to read this run.
 
Fairly heavy week

American Vampire #29
Batman Incorporated #3
Flash #11
Venom #21
Wolverine & The X-Men #14

Just finished reading the first tpb of Garth Ennis's run on Punisher MAX, holy fucking shit. If you are looking for a brutally violent, well written Punisher you need to read this run.
Incorporated is getting pushed back due to the Aurora shootings, I think. Apparently Talia Al-Ghul set up shop in a Theatre in this month's issue (the one that gave birth to Batman), plus it's apparently very violent.
 
Incorporated is getting pushed back due to the Aurora shootings, I think. Apparently Talia Al-Ghul set up shop in a Theatre in this month's issue (the one that gave birth to Batman), plus it's apparently very violent.

Well, that sucks..., oh well, just noticed Uncanny X-Force #28 comes out this week as well.

Garth Ennis' Punisher Max was awesome. His stuff with Barracuda is awesome. same thing with the Russia stuff

Man, I thought Jason Aarons run was good, Ennis blows Aarons out of the water. I plan on picking up the entire Ennis run now, but first I got a Walking Dead Compendium to buy, & read. I've also been meaning to pick up Preacher, heard nothing but great things about that series.
 
Aquaman was pretty good. John's exposition style leaves much to be desired here with Vostok X, but considering he's made a more than half a dozen characters rather memorable in only a dozen issues, I'll give the devil his due. This is pretty much the best Indiana Jones attempt in superhero comics ever.

National Comics, not so much. While the re-imagination of the character and his powers were all right, Lemire leaves this an unfinished prologue to a longer story rather than the one in done it's supposed to be. Had he had Mr. Keeper explain who he was a bit more clearly and his relationship to Eternity (as a counterpart for the tainted and evil I suspect) and why they'd be at odds, it would have finished much better. Still, very good and I plan to keep following NC to see what else gets made.
 
So I've become slightly comic obsessed again for the first time in many years. Over the course of the last two weeks, I've purchased the following from my local shop...

X-Men (1991) #1 (Magneto Cover)
The Punisher Vol. II #9 (June '88)
The Punisher Vol. II #10 (August '88)
Punisher War Journal #14 (February '08)
Detective Comics #604 (September '89)
Detective Comics #622 (October '90)
Daredevil Vol. 1 #248 (November '87)
Daredevil Vol. 1 #251 (February '88)
Daredevil #100 (October '07)
Spider-Man Vol. 1 #32 (March '93)
Spider-Man Vol. 1 #33 (April '93)
Spider-Man Vol. 1 #34 (May '93)
The Spectacular Spider-Man Annual Vol. 1 #14 (1994)
The Amazing Spider-Man #689 (September '12)
Man-Bat #1 (February '96)
Man-Bat #2 (March '96)
Man-Bat #3 (April '96)
Batman: Day of Judgment #1 (November '99)
Batman: Dark Victory #1 (December '99)
Batman: Dark Victory #2 (January '00)
Green Lantern #1 (New 52 November '11)
The Avengers vs. X-Men #1 (April '12)
Batman Odyssey #1 (September '10)
Animal Man #3 (New 52 January '12)
Superman: The Death of Clark Kent #100 (May '95)
Captain America #15 (New 52 September '12)
Hitman #2 (June '96)



Yeah...phew that took awhile to type. Bit obsessed because my new morning routine revolves around going up the street with the intent to get coffee and always stopping in at the local comic book shop right next door. Just what I needed, a comic obsession, damn my wallet's going to start hurting over the coming months. I blame the Dark Knight Rises for renewing my interest again in the world of comics.
 
I'm at the other end of the spectrum as X as I find my interest in comics fading. I imagine that it's a combination between lack of time, saving funds and the majority of the books that I've been getting not being anything to exciting.

I'll probably cancel everything but Batman, Batgirl and The Incredible Hulk for now but can see myself also tossing Batgirl and Hulk aside.

Maybe I'll replace the current books with something new and see what happens.
 
I find myself losing interest in most my superhero books, aside from Batman, Nightwing, Venom, Uncanny X-Force, & Punisher. AvX is single-handily killing my interest in Wolverine & The X-Men, which is sucks, because until that stupid fucking "event" Wolvie & the X-men was one of the most entertaining books I was picking up. I dropped X-Men. Still loving American Vampire & The Massive.

X, it seems like you're spending a ton of time & money in back issues, may I suggest that perhaps you instead look into picking up trades instead, unless of course you're trying to get back into the collecting side of comics.
 
I don't know if anybody reads them but after learning they plan on making a Guardians of the Galaxy movie and playing some UMVC3 I've recently taking a liking to Rocket Raccoon, are their any issues of the series which rely heavily on him?
 
X-Men (1991) #1 (Magneto Cover)

How much did that set you back anyway X?

The Spectacular Spider-Man Annual Vol. 1 #14 (1994)

That's an excellent issue for looking into Norman Osborn's past and understanding the character. If you like that, I'd certainly recommend the Revenge of the Green Goblin storyline from the 2000's which consisted of a three part mini-series of the same name and Amazing Spider-Man #25 (Vol 2) and Peter Parker Spider-Man #25 (Vol 2). They used to be in a trade, but it may be out of print.
 
I don't know if anybody reads them but after learning they plan on making a Guardians of the Galaxy movie and playing some UMVC3 I've recently taking a liking to Rocket Raccoon, are their any issues of the series which rely heavily on him?

I love the idea of Rocket Racoon, however I've never read any GotG stuff, the guys over at iFanboy is suppose to be working on a "Where Do I Start" piece for GotG, I've been waiting for that, & as soon as it goes up will be posting it in here.
 
I find myself losing interest in most my superhero books, aside from Batman, Nightwing, Venom, Uncanny X-Force, & Punisher. AvX is single-handily killing my interest in Wolverine & The X-Men, which is sucks, because until that stupid fucking "event" Wolvie & the X-men was one of the most entertaining books I was picking up. I dropped X-Men. Still loving American Vampire & The Massive.

I wasn't keen on the AvX story so far, I picked up one of the issues a week ago and quickly realized this wasn't the book for me. Superhero battles are all well and good but things like plot are pretty important and that book has none of that, just action non-stop. It's like reading a Michael Bay movie.

X, it seems like you're spending a ton of time & money in back issues, may I suggest that perhaps you instead look into picking up trades instead, unless of course you're trying to get back into the collecting side of comics.

Most of those issues are just things I picked out of boxes at my local comic shop based on their cover/writer/artist/time period/story arc etc. , but they're all so cheap I can't resist them. Most of those older comics there I got in the $1-3 range. I know about trades and stuff but they're way more expensive, I'm more of the kind of guy who just stops in at the shop before or after work and looks at a few books and picks up a few with whatever cash is in my wallet. I do plan to buy a bunch of trades though because there are so many arcs I want to read spreadout through-out the universe of DC and Marvel over the last 30-40 years.

How much did that set you back anyway X?

Like 2 or 3 bucks. My local comic shop is very cool and has been owned by the same dude for like 20 years and he's always willing to cut deals with locals and shit and give discounts off the sticker tag on most comics. He's a good dude. Now that I think about it I've known him for about 12 years because I've been going into that place since I was a wee lad and was buying all those Pokemon card packs back when those were the shit in like '99 '- 2000.


That's an excellent issue for looking into Norman Osborn's past and understanding the character. If you like that, I'd certainly recommend the Revenge of the Green Goblin storyline from the 2000's which consisted of a three part mini-series of the same name and Amazing Spider-Man #25 (Vol 2) and Peter Parker Spider-Man #25 (Vol 2). They used to be in a trade, but it may be out of print.

I'll have to check that out, thanks. I liked it quite a bit and it gave me a lot of insight into the Osborn clan after I had just seen the new Spider-man flick.


Spent my paycheck this week already though, so no more comics til Friday. :(

Atleast I still have a few left that I haven't read yet.

I have the feeling I'll be making many more visits to this thread going forward fellows, my inner comic nerd has appeared again after being dormant for many, many years.
 

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