The ABC Party

[ABMorales787]

You had me at the decision to end all-encompassing official threads, but then lost me when you implied that you'd simply trash additional threads. Please clarify; would you trash all threads that deal with a subject already covered or just the laughably bad ones?

It depends on it's content. There's an official thread for all talk about WWE Network. It cut's all possibilities of pitching new show ideas or discussing one's that are already official and just piles it up in one thread. If a thread is made on WWE's idea to make a show about Wrestlemania, it deserves it's own thread. If one about your own show ideas is make, it would technically fit in the official thread that's already established. But if the OP is throwing out ideas that have already been pitched, it should be trashed as it's a repeat.

I feel your policy of eliminating criticisms of the product could be dangerous. Judging from how dear you supposedly hold the section to your heart, I don't see you erring on the side of caution on what constitutes a constructive criticism and what doesn't.

This is IDR's format for looking at it.

Spoiler

For example, if your issue is TNA's booking...

Post A

Oh my god, TNA sucks. They have the worst fucking booking. This company should just fold.
Post B

Oh my god, TNA sucks. They have the worst fucking booking. This Sting deception angle is terrible – how am I supposed to support this as a fan? It makes no sense! Just let Sting be a face again like everyone wanst him to be and quit trying to force this crap of him as a heel on us, please? God, sometimes I think this company should just fold.

Post A is obvious spam. Post B is the accepted one. But Post B does not tell me why the Deception angle is bad. It just says it is but doesn't support it with a logical reason. To cap it off, the post ends with unwishful thinking for the company that will easily generate negative responses no matter what. A more fitting post to my ideal would say this:

TNA's booking is too difficult to support. This Sting/Deception angle makes no sense because he keeps being so cryptic about it while Dixie Carter just looks stupid being unable to figure out the obvious. Sting is too natural a face to play this heel character too as he's just not gaining any interest unless he's mutilating Jeff Jarrett. This storyline is bombing bad and just makes TNA look worse than it already does.

See. Constructive. No hatred to it.

The World X Cup idea sounds interesting but, ironically, I'm not sure there's the interest for it.

I'd at least like to give it a test run.

No. No, no, no. First off, I don't know where you got this idea of threads falling off the front page from. Threads don't fall from the front page - it's more of a slow slide, and they do so because nobody gives a fuck, not because of high traffic; not nearly because of high traffic.

This forum receives a reasonable amount of traffic. I mean, it's not amazing but it's not appalling either. However, because of all the sections and sub-sections, progress on every page slows to a crawl and uninteresting threads sit on the front page in perpetual death throes for days or even weeks at a time. We're not Something Awful; we don't have the traffic or the strong communities to support dozens of sections. There's one community on this site; the wrestling community. Every sub-community within that one community is about a dozen people strong at best, and they're rarely committed enough to keep the sections they roam in interesting.

Well that's your way of looking at it. Still, the General Wrestling Sections' threads aren't always about wrestling general and focus on one particular company that isn't WWE or TNA. I'm not saying a section should be made for every major company, but at the least threads about wrestling in general should be separated from one's that talk about a specific company.

This is essentially a dead section. Why you want to impregnate it and force out a stillborn sub-section is beyond me. You're sick in the head is my guess.

No. I just said that besides wrestlers, maybe classic matches and bad gimmicks should get picked as well.

I'm surprised even sectionites don't want this fucker re-merged with General Wrestling.

Probably because for the most part it talks about one company in particular.

The Bar Room with less humour, more rules and a word limit. At least you don't advocate adding an Abortion sub-section, though that would actually be rather fitting come to think of it.

It was easy points to point out that these two are essentially the same thing and should be merged. Money for old rope! Yet you didn't.

That's because not everyone likes The Bar Room and would rather stay in the tamer GSD section.

You can probably guess how I feel about this.

No, I guess. Well, at least we're trying to add something to it. Last time something was added to spice it up was the Kayfabe section though.

You have some generally good ideas here. I've also long thought that more stuff could go in there than just people writing their own shows. NorCal and Will had a thread in there that was just them brainstorming potential storylines - that was pretty good.

With all the countless "Cena Heel Turn", "Daniel Bryan Cash-In", "Rock/Cena", "Punk/Some AE Guy" threads that pop up daily, that section could really benefit.

I wouldn't say we have any reputation. Intellectual? Maybe. Well organized? Doubtful.

Well we do get lots of complaints for being uptight with the rules.

The slightest degree of responsibility and commitment, trust me on that.

As it is, a lot (well, most) of this stuff is above your station and for admins to decide. I'm sure you probably realise that, but I'm still reluctant to even let you into the Board Room in the first place.

Still, I gotta campaign some way. I doubt promising I'll be infracting at a Ferbian/Sidious level will get me much support.

 

[Daniel]

This is IDR's format for looking at it.

Spoiler

For example, if your issue is TNA's booking...

Post A

Oh my god, TNA sucks. They have the worst fucking booking. This company should just fold.
Post B

Oh my god, TNA sucks. They have the worst fucking booking. This Sting deception angle is terrible – how am I supposed to support this as a fan? It makes no sense! Just let Sting be a face again like everyone wanst him to be and quit trying to force this crap of him as a heel on us, please? God, sometimes I think this company should just fold.

Post A is obvious spam. Post B is the accepted one. But Post B does not tell me why the Deception angle is bad. It just says it is but doesn't support it with a logical reason. To cap it off, the post ends with unwishful thinking for the company that will easily generate negative responses no matter what. A more fitting post to my ideal would say this:


See. Constructive. No hatred to it.

So you don't want people to be mean about TNA? That's pretty much all I got from this bit.

 

[shattered dreams]

All we have ever asked for is non-idiotic expression of dissent. You and many others frequently fail at this seemingly quite reasonable request. If you ever learned to read I might actually be able to tolerate you but I don't have my hopes up for either.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

All we have ever asked for is non-idiotic expression of dissent. You and many others frequently fail at this seemingly quite reasonable request. If you ever learned to read I might actually be able to tolerate you but I don't have my hopes up for either.

And you wonder why you should join The ABC Party??

 

[Daniel]

All we have ever asked for is non-idiotic expression of dissent. You and many others frequently fail at this seemingly quite reasonable request. If you ever learned to read I might actually be able to tolerate you but I don't have my hopes up for either.

When will you learn that - like many, many people here - I don't hold your opinion in high regard.

 

[shattered dreams]

An italicized extra "many" ??!?!?!? That changes everything!

 

[LSN80]

Because his ego enjoys stroking. Duh.

Thanks for speaking for me, because you obviously know me better then anyone here, including myself. Glad to know you're aware of my motivations as well. This post is proof as to why you'ld make a terrible mod. Even though your greatest "accomplishment" on a wrestling site is making it out of prison along with the likes of J4L, Macios, and Sully(great company, btw), you think presumptiously that you know what it takes to be a Mod, which is laughable, as best.

Grow up kid, narcissism only suits the successful.

 

[LSN80]

Personally speaking, Ill throw my weight behind whomever is determined to be the nominee from this party. Not because I'm just blindly supporting whomever is decided upon, but because I truly believe the group of posters here are top notch, and would meet the qualifications of what it would take to become a Mod. It's not like I'm speaking from experience or anything like that. From Falkon to Habs. any of them have what it takes. I can't say the same for many of the other parties "candidates."

All we have ever asked for is non-idiotic expression of dissent. You and many others frequently fail at this seemingly quite reasonable request. If you ever learned to read I might actually be able to tolerate you but I don't have my hopes up for either.

I still don't see your point, to be honest. I have and never have had any problem with you. I think you're quite the intelligent poster. But what exactly are you trying to accomplish here in general? Im not referring to this post, but you just seem to be dissenting without making an actual point. If im wrong, Ill gladly admit as much.

 

[Big Sexy]

Other then the generic name this has turned out well.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Other then the generic name this has turned out well.

This has actually turned out really well.

And frankly, the name is anything but generic

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Other then the generic name this has turned out well.

I see it like this.

Someone winning from this party is as easy as ABC.

 

[LSN80]

Ill break down the sections one by one, from someone who already has Moderator experience and sees the ins and outs of each section.

WWE Section: The section is under complete control, and has three mods who serve incredibly different purposes. JackHammer generates discussion, Nick is a cleanup machine, and Nate does some of both. As it's obviously the most visited section on the forums, there are other Mods, including myself, who aid in monitoring the section. As for those who don't care for all of the Official threads such as the John Cena thread, its there for a reason: To keep the section organized. There's so much traffic and so many similar threads that pop up regarding Cena and other popular wrestlers that these threads are necessary. Whats the harm in discussing a new slant or thought on Cena within the thread anyway? it's apples and oranges, really.

TNA section: From my perspective, this is the second most viewed and posted in section on the forum. IDR does a fantastic job with both cleanup and starting threads based on current happenings and the like. I wouldn't mind seeing, honestly, a second moderator who is a consistent follower and poster within the section to do something similar to myself with the Cigar Lounge, which is to provide a different perspective, and start several theads a week regarding both the strengths and weaknesses of TNA. It should be an official thing in terms of creating these threads, a requirement almost surrounding the musings of whats happenIng in TNA. There are several people within this group who could do just that.

Old School Wrestling: Brain has this well under control. It would be a waste of space and time to add another moderator here.

General Wrestling Discussion: I would do one of two things here. One, I would leave it as is, as there are a number of topics that fit within this. However, I would create a possible sub-forum dedicated solely to Independant Wrestling. The site is filled with people like me who love ROH, DGUSA, and Chikara, amongst others. Still, Tastycles could moderate both with ease. Unless......

*New* Independent Wrestling Section: If this were to be created as a seperate forum of its own, Id suggest a new moderator. Someone who is passionate about the Indies and will bring the discussion. Someone who watches weekly and is able to successfully encourage others to do so as well in order to generate discussion. A pipe dream, I know, but I really think this could work.

Cigar Lounge: There are changes Id like to make, but with only a moderate amount of traffic, the section needs little changing, & certainly not another moderator.

The Sports Stadium: It wouldn't be at the top of the list, but the section could use a moderator of some kind. To his credit, Big Sexy really keeps the section going by starting threads, generally to great response, Why not make what he's already doing official? I try to do some cleanup here, but it's a pretty clean section all in all, it just needs someone to lead it, discussion wise, as a moderator.

Video Games and Technology: Another section that could certainly benefit from a moderator. As of late, the traffic has been fine, but the follow up posting to threads has been horrendous. Having a moderator like Dagger or MTM would be an excellent thing to keep this section clean and discussion going at a solid level.

Music: SSC has this under control. Next.

PotLuck: Another section SSC has under full control. So many posters have stepped up to post in this section, and I try to start several threads a month to keep discussion going. This section is fully covered,

WZCW: The best run section in Wrestlezone with TY, Numbers, Falkon, and Blade all doing excellent jobs. No need for changes here in any way.

Movies & Television: The section could use a moderator, in my opinion. It may be the section with the most traffic outside of the wrestling sections and could use someone to help stir up discussion in both the Movie & Television aspects of the forum. Id really like to see someone who can generate 2-3 opinion threads on this forum a week.

The GSD: Why? Its done as a collective group amongst moderators, and the biggest problem or need is to moderate for flaming.

Book This!: I'm a big Book This! guy and have thought this forum needed a moderator for some time. Someone to help encourage people to post who has experience in the section already. Its an unfortunately underutilized section of the forum that I believe could expand with a proper moderator.

Wrestling Spam Zone: This is simply a section for those who dont necessarily want to get into the longer discussion required in the non-spam sections. Again, the only issue here is to prevent flaming, IMO. We have 3 G-Mods to do that, along with the other fifteen or so mods on staff.

MMA and Boxing: indyJohn has this under control. Nuff said.

The Bar Room: There are no rules, other then porn and streaming. What would be the point of a moderator here, especially since many of the Mods spend a good bit of time there anyways?

Prison: KB and Sly run this anyways.

Please feel free to disagree with me on any of my thoughts, these are just opinions Im more then willing to change if shown otherwise.

 

[Big Sexy]

I see it like this.

Someone winning from this party is as easy as ABC.

Very true

 

[The Bearded One]

*New* Independent Wrestling Section: If this were to be created as a seperate forum of its own, Id suggest a new moderator. Someone who is passionate about the Indies and will bring the discussion. Someone who watches weekly and is able to successfully encourage others to do so as well in order to generate discussion. A pipe dream, I know, but I really think this could work.

This would really be the only section I would ever want to be a moderator of. Sadly, there just aren't a lot of people on here who post about independent wrestling and the topics I make don't get many responses.

 

[hatehabsforever]

This would really be the only section I would ever want to be a moderator of. Sadly, there just aren't a lot of people on here who post about independent wrestling and the topics I make don't get many responses.

By the way, Bearded One, nice to see you are still able to function after the bitter disappointment of the firing of your beloved Jack Del Rio. Stay strong, pal, we'll need you for the rest of this campaign

 

[Uncle Sam]

Well that's your way of looking at it. Still, the General Wrestling Sections' threads aren't always about wrestling general and focus on one particular company that isn't WWE or TNA. I'm not saying a section should be made for every major company, but at the least threads about wrestling in general should be separated from one's that talk about a specific company.

I can't wait to see the tens of threads the CHIKARA section generates within its first few decades.

 

[The Bearded One]

By the way, Bearded One, nice to see you are still able to function after the bitter disappointment of the firing of your beloved Jack Del Rio. Stay strong, pal, we'll need you for the rest of this campaign

I tried to make a fake post just now about how the Jags fired a great coach just to play along, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I was in the school library when my friend texted me and I let out a scream of happiness. I wonder how it must feel to have an entire city celebrate your firing, because that is exactly what Del Rio is feeling today.

The Jags were also sold, or announced they will be sold, to Shahid Khan. He has a really great life story. He is a Pakistani immigrant who is a completely self-made man. Khan in the American Dream come to life. The only thing better than his story is his mustache:

 

[The Bearded One]

I can't wait to see the tens of threads the CHIKARA section generates within its first few decades.

CHIKARA has had a pretty successful thread in the Wrestling Spam Zone and my thread about the "High Noon" iPPV was one of the more successful independent wrestling threads I have made.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I just went to check on the General Wrestling section. There's three threads about independent wrestling on the front page, which covers more than a fortnight of activity. They have a grand total of seven replies.

Good luck untangling that complex web.

 

[Remy LaCroix]

Good luck untangling that complex web.

Duly noted.

 

[Uncle Sam]

CHIKARA has had a pretty successful thread in the Wrestling Spam Zone and my thread about the "High Noon" iPPV was one of the more successful independent wrestling threads I have made.

I'll give that the CHIKARA thread was moderately successful, though I think proves that all CHIKARA discussion can be neatly contained in one spam thread more than it needs an entire section dedicated to it. And not to run you down, but the High Noon thread garnered thirteen replies over twelve days. When that's one of the more successful independent wrestling threads, I think that nearly proves my point.

Please, people, stop being so eager to add to the already formidable labyrinth of abritrary, three-post-a-day sections. This site would be so much cleaner and better organised if we didn't have to distinguish between every topic that ten guys might contribute five posts to in the course of a week.

 

[The Bearded One]

And not to run you down, but the High Noon thread garnered thirteen replies over twelve days. When that's one of the more successful independent wrestling threads, I think that nearly proves my point.

Which is exactly why I said this:

This would really be the only section I would ever want to be a moderator of. Sadly, there just aren't a lot of people on here who post about independent wrestling and the topics I make don't get many responses.

There just aren't enough responses to independent wrestling threads to garner its own entire section. If there somehow becomes a surge in posting about independent wrestling to where it deserves its own section, then that is the only time I would want to become a moderator. Since that isn't the case right now, there is no reason for it to have its own section, which means I have no intentions of becoming a moderator.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Tremendous. I'm gonna go catch some z's. Don't you guys go creating any more sections while I'm gone.

 

[LSN80]

By the way, Bearded One, nice to see you are still able to function after the bitter disappointment of the firing of your beloved Jack Del Rio. Stay strong, pal, we'll need you for the rest of this campaign

You came out of your depression nicely after about a month when the Steelers handed the Pats their collective asses a month ago, so Im sure Bearded One will be fine, oh fearless leader.

This would really be the only section I would ever want to be a moderator of. Sadly, there just aren't a lot of people on here who post about independent wrestling and the topics I make don't get many responses.

But it's something that needs to happen, in my opinion. If we have a separate section free of clutter devoted to nothing but Indy Wrestling, I truly believe the traffic in said section would be much higher. Just with a defined name it will pop out to more users then having to search through "General Wrestling Discussion." There are still plenty of topics that belong in the GWD that are completely seperate from Indy wrestling. I know I would be a frequent poster there if it was a separate entity in and of itself.It may also be attractive to new members who watch but come to the forums and don't see a section devoted to Indy wrestling, IMO.

I just went to check on the General Wrestling section. There's three threads about independent wrestling on the front page, which covers more than a fortnight of activity. They have a grand total of seven replies.

Good luck untangling that complex web.

But as I stated, how much of that is s function of there not being a section devoted to the Indy's? How many people are truly aware of these threads within the general wrestling discussion? I've been a fan of both ROH and Chikara for years and it took me being here almost a year before I found threads devoted to anything Indy. The argument could be made that there;s not much interest, but the argument could also be made that there's little posting on Indy Wrestling because there's nothing devoted specifically to it.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Other then the generic name this has turned out well.

It's good in a way, you know. It gives the impression that we are focusing on content than on theatrics.