Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
You have to go back to mid-late 1997 to see a time where either Nitro or Raw were regularly scoring above low-mid 3. somethings. Points being ratings turnarounds take time, plus TNA isn't helping much.
So much for that CM Punk will draw ratings thing...
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gurvinder372
Occasional Pre-Show
While Punk's promos have made me realize his worth and something tells me that i would have missed Punk if he had really left WWE, it would be quite stupid to think that this angle would have been this much interesting without not just Cena, but also vince and hhh. Not just Cena's presence, but also his and vince's follow up promos after that famous promo by Punk really sold the intensity of Punk's work and its aftermath. This angle is about Punk and it has successfully elevated Punk, but to deny the huge positive effect of Cena's presence is ignorance.
I think i agree with Sly here. Even though the angle is very interesting, but ratings have not really reflected the same enthusiasm among the TV audience. Less than expected rating is indeed a huge blow to 'Punk is the next Austin' argument. Given that how much posters in this website have adored him and are thinking of him as replacement as Cena, Punk has still a lot to prove in terms of draw. Current US Economy can be factor in the same, but its very difficult to prove one way or the other without the exact figures in hand.
I can't say how it works in US, but even when WWE is popular in India, but its still not equal to Bollywood in terms of excitement that it generates. So, naturally people will not be that interested in behind the scene arguments. I can't imagine my other room-mates (friends, relatives or my colleagues at work) discuss about the same, and it hasn't happened either. I don't see it on the News channels either, even though reality shows are quite popular here in India.
Not that i care about the ratings of TV shows that much, but RAW's rating is certainly one of those good juicy topics of conversation that consistently gets my attention in this website
I think i agree with Sly here. Even though the angle is very interesting, but ratings have not really reflected the same enthusiasm among the TV audience. Less than expected rating is indeed a huge blow to 'Punk is the next Austin' argument. Given that how much posters in this website have adored him and are thinking of him as replacement as Cena, Punk has still a lot to prove in terms of draw. Current US Economy can be factor in the same, but its very difficult to prove one way or the other without the exact figures in hand.
I can't say how it works in US, but even when WWE is popular in India, but its still not equal to Bollywood in terms of excitement that it generates. So, naturally people will not be that interested in behind the scene arguments. I can't imagine my other room-mates (friends, relatives or my colleagues at work) discuss about the same, and it hasn't happened either. I don't see it on the News channels either, even though reality shows are quite popular here in India.
Not that i care about the ratings of TV shows that much, but RAW's rating is certainly one of those good juicy topics of conversation that consistently gets my attention in this website
The admins have trolled another thread to nearly 200 post. Kudos to them.
In all seriousness, a feud involving a McMahon, HHH, John Cena and CM Punk isn't the "draw" people expect it to be. I dont care because I haven't been this interested in a long time. People expecting an over night boom need to remove their heads from their posteriors.
In all seriousness, a feud involving a McMahon, HHH, John Cena and CM Punk isn't the "draw" people expect it to be. I dont care because I haven't been this interested in a long time. People expecting an over night boom need to remove their heads from their posteriors.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
I'm not saying it's a failure. It's been a really fun story and something that has had really entertaining promos. It just hasn't really popped the ratings like the hype around it would have suggested because it's geared towards the hardcore fans instead of ones that are only so so as far as interest.
The WWE seems to do this in the summer time. They usually cater more towards the smarky crowd in the summer. They did it last year with the Nexus angle, you saw ECW One Night Stands, Return of DX, etc... This Punk thing simply fits the mold. I'm not sure if it's the WWE trying to throw that 18-35 year old male crowd a bone before the Football season, but there's a precedent for this.
As far as ratings, you really have to wait until the quarter hours come out. If the trend continues, people are tuning in for the Punk/Cena segments, but it's the rest of the show that is lacking. The WWE essentially put on a pay per view quality show (as far as booked matches go) for free. Mysterio vs. Miz (kinda), Morrison vs. R-Truth (with months of backstory), and Riley vs. Dolph. The problem isn't Cena and Punk, it's that the rest of the roster doesn't peak the interest of anybody.
We'll have to wait and see when the quarter hours come out, but this is a WWE problem, not a Punk/Cena problem.
As far as ratings, you really have to wait until the quarter hours come out. If the trend continues, people are tuning in for the Punk/Cena segments, but it's the rest of the show that is lacking. The WWE essentially put on a pay per view quality show (as far as booked matches go) for free. Mysterio vs. Miz (kinda), Morrison vs. R-Truth (with months of backstory), and Riley vs. Dolph. The problem isn't Cena and Punk, it's that the rest of the roster doesn't peak the interest of anybody.
We'll have to wait and see when the quarter hours come out, but this is a WWE problem, not a Punk/Cena problem.
Of course the shock wore off. Don't confuse nostalgia and shock value.
I think people are missing the point of what I said. Your post agrees with that thinking.
When Punk gave his first interview, these forums were lit up with people talking about how he was so great, about how he was the next Austin, how he was going to be mega-draw, how he was going to be the biggest name in the company, etc.
What I'm saying is not one of those things has come close to coming true yet, despite Punk receiving benefits no other WWE wrestler has received in a long time. The WWE has given Punk the ball, and while it is still "early", there is no indication Punk's going to score a touchdown.
I'm not trolling at all in this thread. Has there been anything I've said that's been inaccurate? I'm speaking the truth, in a thread I created.
It's amazing how creating a thread with nothing but facts and reasonable hypothesis based upon those facts would be considered trolling at all. If you want to see what trolling looks like, just look up xfear's posts in this thread. THAT'S trolling.
And this is all I'm pointing out. That's not an insult, just pointing out this fact. You're not alone, many people are in the same place you are.
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
When Stone Cold Steve Austin began his rise to stardom, WWE's ratings didn't increase significantly for over a year and a half. And even when they did rise, he couldn't take all the credit because at the time you had the emerging DX Army, The Rock and others.
Punk has fourteen months left if you were to compare him to Austin. I'll make a better post when the ratings breakdown is released.
Punk has fourteen months left if you were to compare him to Austin. I'll make a better post when the ratings breakdown is released.
Here's what will determine Punk's chance of success. Austin's rise to stardom kept building. The excitement he created kept building.
Punk definitely has that excitement right now, at least for a certain group of people. The question is whether or not Punk can keep building that excitement, and grow that excitement to other groups of fans. If he can, then he'll definitely have a good chance at becoming a big name in the business, and possibly outside of it. If he can't, he'll be the next Chris Jericho. A guy you can trust to have on your show, a guy who will entertain the fans when they are there, but not a guy who is going to get those fans to come in the first place and a guy who will never be lumped in with the guys considered to be the greatest of all-time.
I would say, those are really the only two steps in a positive direction Punk has at this point in his career. I don't think anyone would deny this is clearly his best (and possibly only) chance.
MrHashasheen
Enjoying Wrestling
Very well put. But as to the people claiming the ratings aren't reflecting his "greatness" or whatever you want to call it, isn't this segment of the year a traditionally low period for the WWE, ratings-wise?
Not really. That distinction traditionally has fallen to the winter months, because there's no major PPV until the Road to Wrestlemania, and Monday Night Football is a ratings juggernaut.
MrHashasheen
Enjoying Wrestling
Really? And here I thought MNF started around July. Guess that teaches me to not watch sports.
LFC till i die
Mrs Drizzy <3
To mii, it really doesn't matter if he makes an impact on the ratings. What matters to mii is that he's single-handedly made wrestling interesting again...
Jesus tapdancing Christ man, you really don't even have the slightest inkling of what the fuck "trolling" is. I'M trolling you? I came into a thread YOU made to talk about a topic that the thread is about. In a thread full of people who are mostly on my side of the fucking argument. How in the name of Christ is that trolling? Trolling would be, I don't know, creating a thread in the Spam Zone for the sole purpose of pissing off fans of a certain wrestler...you know...like you just did here with this entire thread. I guess from now on anyone that even attempts to argue with you about something is just a troll? Fuck look at all the trolls in this thread then. I guess everyone on this forum is a troll, except for you.
This thread has just made you look like an unbelievable moron man, honestly. Whether it's you proving yourself to be a total hypocrite by making constant excuses for declining ratings/buyrates for Cena while blaming TWO FUCKING WEEKS worth of TV ratings on CM Punk, or you absolutely and totally not understanding what the fuck "trolling" is, this thread has made you look like total buffoon dude.
I think KB was right after all. You really don't get it, do you?
Seriously, xfear, there has been a very good and mature discussion going on in this thread. If you can't be grown up enough to stop your trolling for even one post, perhaps you need to reconsider being on the Internet. You're the only person in this thread who has shown zero ability to be civilized or be willing to engage in a mature discussion.
I think KB was right after all. You really don't get it, do you?
Seriously, xfear, there has been a very good and mature discussion going on in this thread. If you can't be grown up enough to stop your trolling for even one post, perhaps you need to reconsider being on the Internet. You're the only person in this thread who has shown zero ability to be civilized or be willing to engage in a mature discussion.
Never thought I'd see the day where Slyfox was so soundly embarrassed in a thread that he had to resort to neverending memes. Not even good memes either, the most played out one in the history of memes.
Keep posting your troll pictures man, maybe if you post it enough time someone besides yourself will actually believe that I'm "trolling" you in this thread. I'm not. I 100% mean every single thing I've said in this thread. Which, by definition, would be the opposite of trolling.
Got any lolcats? Much more amusing than the obvious troll picture that was played out in 2006. Lurk more. Like ALOT more.
And see, you're not even trying to step up for a reasonable or rational discussion on this topic. You're doing nothing but insulting me now, simply for pointing out what you've been doing in this entire thread.
The only person getting embarrassed in this thread xfear is you, and I'm not even the one doing it. How many times now have I talked about how the rest of us are/were engaging in a good discussion on this topic? And how many times have you done that without resulting to insults or inflammatory comments? Why can't you just be a little more grown up, admit you've been wrong in this thread with regards to your trolling, and positively contribute to the thread? Is that really so hard for you?
For once, show that you do get it, because you've yet to demonstrate it. And the more you keep this up, the more KB is proven right. So why don't you do what the rest of us in this thread, including Coco (more or less agreed to troll the most on this board), and engage in a worthwhile and worthy discussion on this topic? Do you have anything relevant to say on this topic, or do you just want to continue trolling?
The next move is yours, and will show what your current maturity level is. If you can post a rational and quality comment on this thread topic, without resorting to petty insults like you've had in your last few posts in this thread, then we'll have a quality discussion. If you cannot make a quality post, without resorting to insults and putdowns, then I guess everyone will know what you really stand for. The choice is yours.
That's the thing about WWE audiences. They're going to cheer whatever you put in front of them, as long as you make them look somewhat face-like.
It's not like ratings have dropped or reactions to Punk or bad or anything. Maybe it isn't blowing up like people want, but it's entertaining TV and it's not hurting anything. No harm, no foul, that simple.
I did try arguing with you about the fucking topic bud. You would have none of this and went right into calling me a troll non-stop. Sorry, am I supposed to debate your side of this argument as well as mine? I'm good, I'd rather talk to a brick wall. Would get the same amount of actual worthwhile discussion as opposed to listening to you just spout the same shit you've been spouting for like 5 years now.
I already addressed and pointed out to you why your entire point in this thread is horseshit. Fuck I'll even post it again so you might even read it this time:
Should I post it a third or maybe even a fourth time so you'll actually read it this time? Or would you rather just keep posting troll memes and screaming to the high heavens about how I'm trolling you?
And that's not even mentioning how you've proven yourself a hypocrite for just picking and choosing when you want to use TV ratings or buyrates as "proof" that a certain wrestler is or isn't a draw.
Hey look, I'll do it too: TNA ratings never hit a 2.0. This proves that Hulk Hogan is not a draw and is a total failure, obviously. Am I doing it right?
I already addressed and pointed out to you why your entire point in this thread is horseshit. Fuck I'll even post it again so you might even read it this time:
Should I post it a third or maybe even a fourth time so you'll actually read it this time? Or would you rather just keep posting troll memes and screaming to the high heavens about how I'm trolling you?
And that's not even mentioning how you've proven yourself a hypocrite for just picking and choosing when you want to use TV ratings or buyrates as "proof" that a certain wrestler is or isn't a draw.
Hey look, I'll do it too: TNA ratings never hit a 2.0. This proves that Hulk Hogan is not a draw and is a total failure, obviously. Am I doing it right?
Well, sadly I guess your comment speaks for itself, with your inability to resist trying to insult someone asking you to engage in a mature fashion. And by the way, I did read and even replied to your comment, pointing out the inaccuracies regarding your comments on John Cena. You can find it here.
The real shame of this is xfear is I'm sure many people would have loved to see you try and contribute to this thread in a positive manner. I don't know why you insist on continuing to use putdowns and why you cannot be like most everyone else in this thread has been, but it is a real shame.
Not intending that at all. I'm being completely sincere when I've been saying there has been great discussion in this thread. I would love for that kind of discussion to continue.
The fact that you keep insisting that you made this thread to have a mature and meaningful discussion about CM Punk's ability as a draw is unbelievably amusing. You know damn well you made this thread to take a dig at CM Punk's fans (AKA the massive majority of this forum), point your finger and gloat and say "Nah nah nah, I told you so! Punk can't draw the big bucks!"
I'd say from arguing with you incessantly for about 6 years now that I have a pretty good idea of who you are and why you make threads like these. And that's to gloat and stroke your own ego.
I'd say from arguing with you incessantly for about 6 years now that I have a pretty good idea of who you are and why you make threads like these. And that's to gloat and stroke your own ego.
