Shawn Michaels: Not a company man

[Coco]

No, this isn't a thread about him getting more of a push than he deserves. This is a thread about the man not taking the push he probably should!

Shawn Michaels is not a company man. He refuses to work Tuesdays because of prayer services which he could easily find another day to attend. He refuses to be the champion because of personal preference. That last part might work for a guy like Kane who has no value as champion and going in for weekday worship services would be fine if the man was an undercard scrub who isn't needed on Tuesday nights. However, when push comes to shove and if the company is in dire need of him to do his duty and be a big player, Shawn should be a company man and step up to the fucking plate.

The rumor mill is wild with speculation of Jeff leaving the WWE and Rey being on shakey ground with management as a result of their treatment of Vickie. With Taker out on injury, a possible Edge face turn in the works (the success of which is still up in the air if it is even going ahead), and CM Punk's face heat in question from time to time (especially after the ending of Extreme Rules), SmackDown needs a credible top face. Yet time and time again, every time the man has been asked, Shawn Michaels has turned management down and chosen what's best for himself. The man has no concern of what the company may require of him. It's all about Shawn, as usual.

In conclusion, Shawn not being World Heavyweight Champion proves once again just how selfish he is.

 

[JenovasWitness]

You're kidding...right?

This is the first time I have heard someone bitch about a wrestler being selfish because he DOESN'T want to be champion. Shawn doesn't need to be champion. He is so over with the crowd without the championship that the WWE doesn't feel the need to put the belt on him.

As for not working on Tuesday nights: a) I'd love to have your backstage pass so that I can get this knowledge first hand from credible sources and b) Shawn, as you mentioned, is not an undercard scrub. In fact, he has done more then enough to pay his dues, cement himself as a certifiable legend in the business and earn the right to choose what night to work and for whatever reason he sees as legitimate.

Shawn did not have to come back in 2002. He could have stayed home with his family, he could have kept working in his wrestling academy, but instead, he chose to come back to the WWE and put on some of the greatest matches I've seen in a WWE ring.

As for not being a company man, did you watch Taboo Tuesday in 2004 (2005?)? Shawn had a legitimate knee injury and should not have even been at that event. But the fans chose him to be in the main event against HHH and he went out there and wrestled REGARDLESS of his condition. If that is not the picture of a selfless professional, I don't know how else I could explain it to you.

 

[Coco]

You're kidding...right?

Am I expected to answer this?

This is the first time I have heard someone bitch about a wrestler being selfish because he DOESN'T want to be champion.

You should hear my thoughts on John Cena. The bastard is too concerned with walking softly and not stepping on any toes backstage. If he knew what was best for the business, he'd get more political and get himself another long term title reign. Sometimes, getting the belt is what's best for business and quietly settling into a lesser role or asking for a lesser role makes one selfish.

Shawn doesn't need to be champion. He is so over with the crowd without the championship that the WWE doesn't feel the need to put the belt on him.

My understanding is they've offered several times and he's not interested. But more importantly, what you think title belts are for is disgusting. Belts aren't there to get someone over. Someone should be over before they get the belt, and the overness of the wrestler holding the belt should elevate the belt in question. Belts don't elevate wrestlers, it's the other way around. That kind of logic is why we have a bunch of meaningless titles around guys who've done nothing, like Kofi Kingston.

As for not working on Tuesday nights: a) I'd love to have your backstage pass so that I can get this knowledge first hand from credible sources

Shitting on internet news. What an original tune...

and b) Shawn, as you mentioned, is not an undercard scrub. In fact, he has done more then enough to pay his dues, cement himself as a certifiable legend in the business and earn the right to choose what night to work and for whatever reason he sees as legitimate.

If he doesn't want to work where the company needs him most, he shouldn't be allowed to work at all. Vince being a pushover for Shawn sends the wrong message. Shawn is important, but not so important that Vince can't tell him to go home forever. But instead of blacklisting this selfish bastard, he's decided to take constant shit from the Clique. It's a sad situation.

Shawn did not have to come back in 2002. He could have stayed home with his family, he could have kept working in his wrestling academy, but instead, he chose to come back to the WWE and put on some of the greatest matches I've seen in a WWE ring.

And work with his buddies all the time, get all his wins back over the young guys, and in general feed his own ego.

Shawn could have stayed home and the WWE would be no worse off than it is today. He's never been needed on Raw.

As for not being a company man, did you watch Taboo Tuesday in 2004 (2005?)? Shawn had a legitimate knee injury and should not have even been at that event. But the fans chose him to be in the main event against HHH and he went out there and wrestled REGARDLESS of his condition. If that is not the picture of a selfless professional, I don't know how else I could explain it to you.

Yeah, God bless Shawn for working through the pain and putting his bestest buddy over once again. Heaven forbid he's have done the same thing at WM13 when he had an illegitimate knee injury.

 

[Kip The Fury]

In conclusion, Shawn not being World Heavyweight Champion proves once again just how selfish he is.

The guys injured and close to retirement... hes given decades of his life to the business and now your getting pissy cos there are a few RUMOURS going round that one or two people might be leaving?

Even if the rumours are true there are plenty of other people who could step up and take the push who would be better in the long run. Morrison, Christian, Benjamin, Ziggler, Haas... thats just off the top of my head.

Micheals has earned the right to time off and ask for tuesdays off to do his own thing

 

[Coco]

The guys injured and close to retirement...

Might as well make his retirement official, IMO. This current sabbatical is a request of his so he can spend time with family. If he's not willing to come to work then I don't care how long the guy has put into the company, he shouldn't be collecting a paycheck for doing what retired people do, and that's sit at home.

He is not so injured that he couldn't come into work next week if he got the call. He's fucking the company and collecting their money for nothing, which should not be put up with in these economic times.

Even if the rumours are true htere are plenty of other people who could step up and take the push who would be better in the long run. Morrison, Christian, Benjamin, Ziggler, Haas... thats jus t off the top of my head.

Morrison and Christian won't be ready until at least early next year. Ziggler is nowhere near ready (and who knows if he ever will be). Hass and Benjamin will never main event and rightfully so.

SmackDown needs a real main event face. Next time Shawn gets called upon, he should do the right thing.

Micheals has earned the right to time off and ask for tuesdays off to do his own thing

Not if it's not in the best interest of the company and he has already shot down requests to jump to the failing Friday night show to help out. Nobody has the right not to do the right thing for the company.

 

[JenovasWitness]

If you feel so inclined to answer my initial question, you go right ahead.

I could care less about John Cena and his backstage demeanor. How he conducts himself backstage is his and the WWE's business and if he is still employed by them, having main event matches and is happy with his position, more power to him.

In no way did I intimate that the belt would get Shawn more over then he is. And your understanding, unless you have had direct conversation with Shawn, a WWE exec or Vince himself, is at best second hand and can be called into question. As for Kofi having the belt, I can only speculate as to why the WWE chose to put the belt on him, but their reason are their own.

Of course I shit on internet news. Everything that is handed to me by a "source" that is not in the room when the actual event in question takes place is second hand knowledge and can possibly be incorrect as a result. I don't see what is wrong with having a healthy dose of skepticism.

Vince is a pushover to someone? Likely not. Nothing in Vince McMahon's actions that I have seen seem to suggest that he would fold to anyone. If Shawn came to Vince and said, "Vince, I would like to continue to work on Monday nights," and Vince said, "Alright, Shawn, that sounds fair," is that not the owner of the company's perogative? Are we to believe that Vince McMahon is being strongarmed by Shawn Michaels into allowing him to work on the night that he chooses?

If those were the reasons he came back, to work with his friends, I can see how that would seen as a negative. Who likes to work with people they enjoy working with, you are so correct! As for getting "wins back", Michaels is not acting like Goldberg and squashing people. He goes out to the ring and has competitive quality matches with everyone that he is in the ring with. He makes all of his opponents look credible in the ring and elevates them by making them look believable.

As for Wrestlemania 13, do we have a doctor's documented evidence that said knee injury was illegitimate? Besides, that does not take away from what he did in the 2004 match. Also, HHH is not the only other wrestler that HBK has put over since his return. Cena, Undertaker, Angle, Orton all have been put over by Shawn. He even gave Ric Flair possibly the best send off the Nature Boy could have asked for. If Michaels were as selfish as you say, why is putting so much effort into making everyone else look good...?

 

[un1earn]

Wow...what a post

I am sorry but when a person who has been working for a company for so long, I agree they should get some sort of special treatment. It may not be looked upon as fair, but if I was evoted to a company while other companies were trying to steal me away with twice the pay and I continued my loyalty. My company better appreciate that!
As for his work schedule and refusals, unless you work for the company w.e stuff you hear on the net means nothing. I dont think a wrestler other then Shawn and the Undertaker could have any more right to making special requests. There is a reason WWE continues to give them a lighter schedule, not because they demand it...but because if they wish to continue to use them, they cant burn them out.

If shawn was champion, he would have to work each Raw, and almost every house show. (Part of the reason taker doesn't work a full time schedule and his championship reigns are not as long). They become more of an attraction to the company then anything. Its like seeing legacy every week on the same show with the same people...it gets stale. Taker doesn't even need to show up to the show...the lights will flicker, the thunder starts, the gong rings and the fans love it.

They aren't the young guys they used to be, and HBK gives a great show each time he goes out. Let him have his rest.

 

[Paradox]

Are you really going to bash one of the best in ring performers because he doesn't work on tuesdays because of his religious beliefs? And because he doesn't want the title? Then because he doesn't put over younger talent?

First off, why are you bashing a guy for his religious beliefs? That's not right, many companies give employees time off for religious beliefs. Just because Shawn's a wrestler means that he can't practice his religious beliefs. That's an insane argument. If you have issues with that, take it out on the company not Shawn. It is Vince that is letting him do that. If Vince really wanted Shawn to be at every house show. He would make Shawn be there. So what if he doesn't work every house show, and takes sometime off during the year. So does the Undertaker, and I don't hear you going off on him for not being a company man.

Second, if the guy doesn't want the title, then he doesn't need the title. Yes you say that the company has offered it to him, but that doesn't mean that he has to be like Hunter and constantly take the title. Instead he goes into a feud with the champ and made them look good. Look at Cena, and Triple h, heck he even made Orton watchable after beating Triple h. It's funny that we bash Triple h for not giving the rub to other wrestlers, then turn around and bast Shawn for not taking the title.

Third, Shawn has been putting guys over for a long time. Just because he wins doesn't mean that he does make the other guy look great. He made Benjamin look amazing, it's not his fault that he started to botch every other move. He put Edge over before Edge was a main event star. Last year he made Kennedy look good, not his fault that Kennedy started getting himself hurt every match he's in. He pulled an extremely good match out of Cena. He helped get Orton back on the right track after his year of meaningless wondering after his feud with the Undertaker. To say that he hasn't put people over is ridiculous. He just has put as many over as you would like, or who you would like him to put over.

You say that WWE would be just fine if Shawn hadn't come back, while that maybe true. We wouldn't not have seen some of the greatest matches that we seen because of it. His fued/matches against Angle that were amazing. He's had great feuds with Jericho, and Triple h. His match with Undertaker this year amazing. Over the past 7 years that he's been back he has helped save the WWE from disaster, look at WM 25. Besides him and Taker that it was one of the worst Mania's ever. He does what he's told and that's that. Need proof, look at survivor series 97 with bret. He did his job and was hated for it. Then he jobbed to Hogan when Hogan came back. It was Hogan changed everything last minute. He did his job. All be it over selling every, but he still did what he was told. With that said I can't see how you say that's he not a company man

 

[mcflyboy]

It kind of seems to me that the whole point of this thread by the original poster was to irritate people and start an argument. However, if that is not the case, then I agree with what other posters have already said about Shawn paying his dues. However, let me address these comments:

However, when push comes to shove and if the company is in dire need of him to do his duty and be a big player, Shawn should be a company man and step up to the fucking plate.

This is utterly ridiculous. Everyone's first priority should be to their own family, health, and happiness. No one has an obligation to stick around and keep working for a company past retirement. Shawn agreed to come back and work in limited capacity, and now that's not good enough? He should make WWE his number one priority? By that logic, if I were to work for some company and reach 65 and plan to retire, but the company asks me to stick around for a few more years, I have a duty to do it? Yeah, right.

The man has no concern of what the company may require of him. It's all about Shawn, as usual. In conclusion, Shawn not being World Heavyweight Champion proves once again just how selfish he is.

Ok. So instead of being selfish, he should drop everything else on his plate to please you? I don't think it gets much more selfish than that, and no offense, who are you to make demands on shawn michaels anyway? In a contest for who has done more for this business and WWE, I would have to say that HBK outshines you. Sorry.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

No, this isn't a thread about him getting more of a push than he deserves. This is a thread about the man not taking the push he probably should!

Shawn Michaels is not a company man. He refuses to work Tuesdays because of prayer services which he could easily find another day to attend. He refuses to be the champion because of personal preference. That last part might work for a guy like Kane who has no value as champion and going in for weekday worship services would be fine if the man was an undercard scrub who isn't needed on Tuesday nights. However, when push comes to shove and if the company is in dire need of him to do his duty and be a big player, Shawn should be a company man and step up to the fucking plate.

The rumor mill is wild with speculation of Jeff leaving the WWE and Rey being on shakey ground with management as a result of their treatment of Vickie. With Taker out on injury, a possible Edge face turn in the works (the success of which is still up in the air if it is even going ahead), and CM Punk's face heat in question from time to time (especially after the ending of Extreme Rules), SmackDown needs a credible top face. Yet time and time again, every time the man has been asked, Shawn Michaels has turned management down and chosen what's best for himself. The man has no concern of what the company may require of him. It's all about Shawn, as usual.

In conclusion, Shawn not being World Heavyweight Champion proves once again just how selfish he is.

I agree with you on the last paragraph. If Rey and Jeff Hardy are speculated to leave the WWE within the next few months, then Shawn Michaels needs to be on Smackdown. He can find some other day to worship and Smackdown would be in dire need of a main-event. Plus, it's a good way for him to elevate talent such as Morrison and Benjamin. HHH was drafted to Smackdown so I don't see a major reason why HBK can't go there.

 

[DeadMan5000]

This is one of the worst threads I have ever read. So you call Shawn Michaels, one of THE BEST of all time, selfish because he is getting older and he does not want to be champion? Wow. Now if it was HHH you were talking about, getting so many reigns, I would understand but HBK?

Shawn Michaels is 44 years old. Sure, he can still outperfrom mostly everybody. But, HBK is getting old. If he was champion, he would be on the road 24/7. He has a kid dude. Don't you think he would want to spend more time with his kid?

Shawn Michaels is a damn icon, but to call him selfish just because he doesn't want a championship is wrong.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This is one of the worst threads I have ever read. So you call Shawn Michaels, one of THE BEST of all time, selfish because he is getting older and he does not want to be champion? Wow. Now if it was HHH you were talking about, getting so many reigns, I would understand but HBK?

Shawn Michaels is 44 years old. Sure, he can still outperfrom mostly everybody. But, HBK is getting old. If he was champion, he would be on the road 24/7. He has a kid dude. Don't you think he would want to spend more time with his kid?

Shawn Michaels is a damn icon, but to call him selfish just because he doesn't want a championship is wrong.

Plenty of superstars have kids and they are still on the road all the time so I don't see why HBK is any different. If he wanted to spend more time with his kid, then he should just retire. RAW hasn't been any different without him and nothing much is going to change when he does come back.

 

[Gifted Music]

Triple H asked to be drafted to Smackdown to spend more time with his family.. When Stephanie began appearing and traveling with RAW, Triple H asked to be drafted back.

As for Shawn Michaels... I'm ashamed this is even a topic.. For someone as religious as HBK, you don't just "put off" worship to fit the WWE schedule.. WWE and Vince knew of HBK's schedule when they brought him back and he HAS worked Smackdown on occasion when asked but to fault him because he chooses worship over getting beat up, is ridiculous.

And we seem quick to forget 1987-1998 when HBK was a company man, wrestling 280 days a year, then being THE top guy and carrying the WWF while Bret Hart was on hiatus and Stone Cold hadn't yet become the Icon he would soon be... HBK has MORE than earned himself ONE day outta the week to worship.. All he asks for is ONE day and the WWE should and has granted that.

As for the World Championship.. HBK, at this point in his career, doesn't need it.. He declines it because he KNOWS theres other guys who deserve it more.. He believes the young guys deserve the spotlight more... Guys like Randy Orton and John Cena.. Shawn Michaels is more of a company man NOW than he ever was in his prime simply because he does whats best for the COMPANY whereas before he did what was best for HIMSELF.. I know, all the HBK fanatics(of which I am apart of) want him to be WWE Champion.. Theres a cult following that WANT one last run for The Heartbreak Kid... But the facts are, that A) Theres other guys who draw better.. Honestly.. HBK didn't draw that well as Champion during his prime.. Why would he now? and B) Theres younger guys(Orton, Cena, Punk, Morrison, etc.) who should be pushed to the next level rather than staying at mid card level waiting for HBK to retire.

The exception to the rule is Triple H because he's STILL a draw as World Champion..Whether we like him or not.. HBK doesn't draw as Champion.. He never has.. Even during his first reign aswell as his heel reign with DX.. The only positive that came out of his last heel reign as Champion was Stone Cold Steve Austin.. Other than that I can't remember a single positive thing about ANY of his reigns.. Other than Bret Hart and Stone Cold and Triple H, he's defended against guys like Diesel, Vader, British Bulldog, Mankind before he became a top guy.. HBK's reigns have never been memorable and I don't see that changing now that he's 10 years older. And I think Shawn Michaels knows that.. He knows theres better options out there and thats why he's chosen to stay out of the Spotlight.. If that's not a Company man, I dunno what is.

 

[dame3e]

ok HBK dose not need to be on smack down to elevate other talent that's why taker, Y2J, edge is there look at what y2j has done with rey they are putting on a great story its up to the story writes to come up with pushs for they younger talent such as y2j vs Morrison or if this face truns happens for edge edge vs Benjamin my point is there is so much talent on smackdown HBK dosent need to work tuesday night in oder to push thier talent.

and as for HBK not being a company man YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME what was the hole montrel screw job about then? when bret left he put that company on his back get your facts stright before you post stupid stuff like that.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

ok HBK dose not need to be on smack down to elevate other talent that's why taker, Y2J, edge is there look at what y2j has done with rey they are putting on a great story its up to the story writes to come up with pushs for they younger talent such as y2j vs Morrison or if this face truns happens for edge edge vs Benjamin my point is there is so much talent on smackdown HBK dosent need to work tuesday night in oder to push thier talent.

and as for HBK not being a company man YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME what was the hole montrel screw job about then? when bret left he put that company on his back get your facts stright before you post stupid stuff like that.

Learn how to use proper grammar before you post stupid stuff like that. You do know that Michaels only wrestled five or six months before he was injured and retired. And Austin put the company on his back because HBK could never do it. It wouldn't hurt HBK to go to Smackdown if they truly need him, and if he loves the business as much as he says he does, he would welcome the change.

 

[HBK-aholic]

No, this isn't a thread about him getting more of a push than he deserves. This is a thread about the man not taking the push he probably should!

*Yawn* I'm going to pretend this is a thread which you've made solely for reaction, because I'm sick of the no-win situations with fans. He's NOT in the M.E. scene so he should be..Triple H is, but he shouldn't be.

Shawn Michaels is not a company man. He refuses to work Tuesdays because of prayer services which he could easily find another day to attend.

Oh really? I'm sure you know Shawn's exact schedule, the schedule of the prayer services he attends, and the schedules of the groups he runs, yes?

He refuses to be the champion because of personal preference.

First of all, 'personal preference' is actually his body, which he's given to us. He doesn't want to be champion, because he doesn't want to work house shows, because his body isn't up for it. Shawn has had a lot of time off with injuries lately, and does a lot more than you could expect from most 40+ year old men. If he worked house shows, which he must as champion, all it'd do is decrease the amount of time we'd see him in the ring and as a wrestler, therefore his way of doing things is better in the long run.

Secondly, I'm sick of the way wrestlers are abused no matter what. If Shawn became champion I am 100% sure there would be fans saying he's 'too old' and 'holding back youngsters'. There are already threads stating when he, and a few others leave it'll be good as new talent can come through.

The rumor mill is wild with speculation of Jeff leaving the WWE and Rey being on shakey ground with management as a result of their treatment of Vickie. With Taker out on injury, a possible Edge face turn in the works (the success of which is still up in the air if it is even going ahead), and CM Punk's face heat in question from time to time (especially after the ending of Extreme Rules), SmackDown needs a credible top face. Yet time and time again, every time the man has been asked, Shawn Michaels has turned management down and chosen what's best for himself. The man has no concern of what the company may require of him. It's all about Shawn, as usual.

In conclusion, Shawn not being World Heavyweight Champion proves once again just how selfish he is.

Seriously, reading this is just annoying bullshit. Shawn has given his life to this company - returning to help WWE when he could easily have gone home in 1998 with a crippling back injury and never returned. He's currently injured, is he really the type of person you want as your champion? Shawn doesn't want to be champion because he knows he's not up for it, and wants what's best for the company. Please, explain to me again how that makes him selfish; not going for personal gain but instead helping the business?

 

[DeadMan5000]

Learn how to use proper grammar before you post stupid stuff like that. You do know that Michaels only wrestled five or six months before he was injured and retired. And Austin put the company on his back because HBK could never do it. It wouldn't hurt HBK to go to Smackdown if they truly need him, and if he loves the business as much as he says he does, he would welcome the change.

Not to be mean, but Shawn Michaels in 1995/1996 had the damn company on his back. He was champion at the time and was one of the "hot" things going for the WWF at the time.

 

[JenovasWitness]

Learn how to use proper grammar before you post stupid stuff like that. You do know that Michaels only wrestled five or six months before he was injured and retired. And Austin put the company on his back because HBK could never do it. It wouldn't hurt HBK to go to Smackdown if they truly need him, and if he loves the business as much as he says he does, he would welcome the change.

That is a compelling argument. HBK's respect for the business should dictate whether or not he should go where the need is greatest. But it seems to me that the people in charge of the business that he works for respect Shawn enough to give him the choice of when he wants to work and when he can take time to himself. It is their opinion that matters more then ours.

 

[Cowboyfromhell]

If Mr. Michaels wants to work a lighter schedule he has without a doubt earned that right. If he was doing house shows and Raw every week he would (1) most likely become injured or (2) get burned out and retire (probably not forever but for an extended time).
To call him selfish for not wanting to live that work schedule anymore is absurd. If a presence of his kind is needed it is not his fault, it's the WWE's fault for not properly developing or using talent they have. You can't fault Mr. Michaels for that, not his job. And he is not stealing anyone's money by working a lighter schedule. Vinnie Mac is a lot of things and a shrewd businessman is one of them. I'm sure when both parties put their John Hancock on the contract they were both well aware of the work load that Mr. michaels would be commiting to.

 

[Coco]

Of course I shit on internet news. Everything that is handed to me by a "source" that is not in the room when the actual event in question takes place is second hand knowledge and can possibly be incorrect as a result. I don't see what is wrong with having a healthy dose of skepticism.

And an unhealthy ignorance in regards to journalism. Revealing a source can cause major problems for the source in question and could possibly lead to that person losing their job. Revealing sources in order to counter your skepticism simply isn't worth it. Protecting a source does not devalue a news story.

Vince is a pushover to someone? Likely not. Nothing in Vince McMahon's actions that I have seen seem to suggest that he would fold to anyone. If Shawn came to Vince and said, "Vince, I would like to continue to work on Monday nights," and Vince said, "Alright, Shawn, that sounds fair," is that not the owner of the company's perogative? Are we to believe that Vince McMahon is being strongarmed by Shawn Michaels into allowing him to work on the night that he chooses?

In Shawn's DVD, Vince basically came out and said he took shit from Shawn he'd never take from any other employee. There were reports from late 2007 that saw Vince get cut down by Shawn in front of the boys. It's not a real stretch to imagine the tone in which Shawn turned down getting moved to SmackDown.

If those were the reasons he came back, to work with his friends, I can see how that would seen as a negative. Who likes to work with people they enjoy working with, you are so correct!

At a point in time in a business like this where Hunter didn't the rub from working with Shawn for years on end, it is negative.

Also, HHH is not the only other wrestler that HBK has put over since his return. Cena, Undertaker, Angle, Orton all have been put over by Shawn. He even gave Ric Flair possibly the best send off the Nature Boy could have asked for. If Michaels were as selfish as you say, why is putting so much effort into making everyone else look good...?

He's not.

Cena didn't need Michaels to put him over and Michaels was only man enough to do it after almost every other big name in the company already had. And even after that, Michaels got his win over Cena back twice (one of those times being the first time in three years the top draw took a clean loss in over three years, a win Michaels didn't need at all) and made him look like shit at the end of Backlash.

Taker... I can't believe a guy gets credit to losing to the locker room's God. Pfft. Everyone loses to Taker.

Angle lost the feud and Michaels didn't tap quick enough at Mania, making the Ankle lock look like crap.

He killed Orton's reign for a long damn time in 2007. It took Jeff Hardy and John Cena to repair the damage that Michaels' booking caused to Orton's reign.

Shawn didn't do any favors for those guys.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Not to be mean, but Shawn Michaels in 1995/1996 had the damn company on his back. He was champion at the time and was one of the "hot" things going for the WWF at the time.

He had the company on his back when they were losing the wars against Nitro and most of the WWE's top talent leaving so I don't know how much weight that holds.

 

[showstoppermike87]

The problem today with the WWE is that nobody wants to or cares about being champion. They'll throw the belt on anyone any given time a month (CM Punk, Batista) dont matter.
The prestige of being champion has come and gone. Nobody really wants to be the champ or cares to be the champ anymore. They just wanna be on tv, be famous, get paid, get laid and go home. I'm not talking about Shawn I'm talking about just about everyone on the WWE roster. Think back to 1997 when Bret Hart thought that losing the title to shawn at survivor series would be like blowing his brains out. Bret put so much pride and prestige into that belt that it seemed like the greatest honor in the world to get it.
Back in 1995, 1996 people would do things backstage (the Kliq, Bret Hart) in order to get ahead be the number 1 guy in the company. And remember what Stone Cold said "if your not in the wwe to be champion you have no business being in the wwe". None of the guys today "get it" they dont care.
That belt has gone from the most prestigous belt probably in any wrestling company, ultimate fighting, sports entertainment anything in the world. To just another regular belt that people dont really care about.
The old shawn michaels of the 90s would give anything to be champion it was his only reason for existing now he wants nothing to do with the belt. Its a known fact he doesnt want to have anything to do with the belt when was the last time you've heard shawn michaels say "im coming for your title" or "i will be the next wwe champion" or even say anythinggggg that even has to do with the wwe title? been quite a while hasnt it ..

 

[Coco]

First off, why are you bashing a guy for his religious beliefs? That's not right, many companies give employees time off for religious beliefs. Just because Shawn's a wrestler means that he can't practice his religious beliefs. That's an insane argument.

Most people practice religion on the weekend or time they're given off. Demanding special treatment for fucking Tuesday service is a waste of company time and money when Shawn is needed on the Blue Brand. If they had enough main eventers to get by, I wouldn't complain. But Shawn's selfishness does the company wrong.

If Vince really wanted Shawn to be at every house show. He would make Shawn be there.

Shawn would say no and Vince would back down. It's how those two play.

So does the Undertaker, and I don't hear you going off on him for not being a company man.

Taker is on crutches and actually worked post-Mania, doing his duty by showing up on Superstars AND making Big Show look great in their pre-Backlash match. Taker's awesome.

Second, if the guy doesn't want the title, then he doesn't need the title. Yes you say that the company has offered it to him, but that doesn't mean that he has to be like Hunter and constantly take the title

Difference being that people have been getting tired of Hunter and pre-Mania and onward his reactions were getting smaller week-by-week. Michaels gets great pops and the fans would actually be interested in him as champ.

If it's good for the company, it doesn't matter what the guy wants.

heck he even made Orton watchable after beating Triple h.

Wow. He almost killed that reign. The damage went on even after the feud with Michaels was over. Cena and Hardy and to clean that mess up.

He pulled an extremely good match out of Cena.

Cena doesn't need good matches pulled out of him. He does it all on his own and has been doing it for years. If anything, he carried an over-the-hill Michaels to the first good match he'd had in well over a year.

His fued/matches against Angle that were amazing.

They worked the Rob Van Dam-Jerry Lynn style of wrestling only they did it while being far more ordinary. I don't see what is so special about those overrated piles of garbage.

Over the past 7 years that he's been back he has helped save the WWE from disaster, look at WM 25. Besides him and Taker that it was one of the worst Mania's ever.

Not even close. Some early Manias are absolutely awful with the exception of a few matches. Mania didn't become anywhere near decent in overall quality until 2001. Mania 25 would be ranked in the top half of all Manias ever if people were objective. Hardy-Hardy and the World Title match were both awesome, and Steamboat had a great moment. Nowhere near a bad Mania.

Don't give Michaels and Taker too much credit.

He does what he's told and that's that. Need proof, look at survivor series 97 with bret. He did his job and was hated for it.

He got one over on a man he hated and loved every second over it. God bless him.

Then he jobbed to Hogan when Hogan came back. It was Hogan changed everything last minute. He did his job. All be it over selling every, but he still did what he was told.

And then threw a fit when Hogan wouldn't return the job in a cage at Unforgiven.

Michaels was just pissed that someone could play politics better than him.

 

[Cowboyfromhell]

What I am not clearly undersanding about this thread and the posts in it, Mr. Coco the Monkey, is you created the thread because, and please correct me if I'm wrong or misguided, you feel the WWE needs Shawn Michaels on Smackdown, that he is a talent and is sorely needed. But then in your posts (I'm not going bach through them all and quoting you) you appear to be ripping him apart and saying how bad a performer he is, how bad a guy in the locker room he is, etc...
You seem to be contradicting yourself. Please enlighten me.

 

[Coco]

What I am not clearly undersanding about this thread and the posts in it, Mr. Coco the Monkey, is you created the thread because, and please correct me if I'm wrong or misguided, you feel the WWE needs Shawn Michaels on Smackdown, that he is a talent and is sorely needed. But then in your posts (I'm not going bach through them all and quoting you) you appear to be ripping him apart and saying how bad a performer he is, how bad a guy in the locker room he is, etc...
You seem to be contradicting yourself. Please enlighten me.

The inability of someone to paint something they don't agree with using more than one brush is a sign of small mindedness. Sometimes, it is possible to take the middle ground on an issue. Shawn Michaels is a great talent with a lot of offer. I enjoy his matches with Cena, Jericho, Taker, Rey, and other current WWE wrestlers quite a lot. But appreciating his work and thinking he does all he can for the company are two different things. He could work with the Punks, Morrisons, and Mizs of the roster if he wanted. He could carry a brand in need if he wanted. The fact of the matter is he's comfortable with his head in the stars remaining stagnent on Raw, flying under most smarks radars because (while he's just as bad as Hunter in politics at times) he has good matches, as opposed to actually doing something to help the WWE.