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Shawn Michaels: Not a company man

And an unhealthy ignorance in regards to journalism. Revealing a source can cause major problems for the source in question and could possibly lead to that person losing their job. Revealing sources in order to counter your skepticism simply isn't worth it. Protecting a source does not devalue a news story.

Just because I do not swallow every "journalistic masterpiece" handed to me by wrestling news sites that claim to know the inner workings of the wrestling industry does not mean that I am ignorant. You can protect your sources all you like and put whatever stock you want in your news stories. I prefer hard fact presented by people that are in the know and unafraid to hide behind an anonymous title like "source" or a pseudonym. If these sources in question are unhappy working where they are and flapping their gums about things they don't like but are too gutless to do anything about it, stay on the payroll and anonymously snipe at the company paying their paycheck, I honestly have no time for their bullshit. What horrid, hypocritical behavior. But by all means, lend your attention to the faceless "source". We don't even know if the writer of all of these supposed reports even HAS a source and isn't just writing bullshit stories to put attention on himself.

HBK put Cena over cleanly on the biggest show of the year. I'd say that is a favor.

Everyone loses to 'Taker? Come now. Even the Great Khali has a victory at a PPV over 'Taker. HBK had won every single match between the two of them before WM25 and he put 'Taker over in one of the most exciting and competitive matches in WM history while protecting the streak at the same time. I'd say that is a favor.

Angle kicked out of the Sweet Chin Music making it look like crap. So? HBK sold the hold like he was dying of Ebola and a lava enema and the fans reaction was tremendous. The following matches they had did not even come close to the WM match and had no bearing on Angle's reputation. So the fact is, he was put over cleanly by Shawn at the biggest show of the year. I'd say that is a favor.

ORTON? HBK did not have one win over Orton during their entire feud besides a DQ win because Orton low blowed him. If anything, HBK solidified Orton's reputation as a sick fuck who gave concussions to people whenever he felt like it. He did the job cleanly in subsequent matches also. FAVOR! EDIT: And since when did Shawn become a booker?

PLUS, he gave Flair the greatest send off of his career as I mentioned before.
 
He could carry a brand in need if he wanted. The fact of the matter is he's comfortable with his head in the stars remaining stagnent on Raw, flying under most smarks radars because (while he's just as bad as Hunter in politics at times) he has good matches, as opposed to actually doing something to help the WWE.

I don't think he can anymore. I think he still has the star recognition, he'll still get the pop when he comes out, and I think he can still have some great matches. But I don't think his body can withstand doing that several nights a week if you throw the house shows in as well. Ten years ago, yeah, I would agree with you. But not anymore, these young guys need to step it up and earn their keep.
He is a future WWE HOF'er (as long as he doesn't Sweet chin Music his family to death and give them Bibles). If he wants to be the man once in awhile he has earned that right.
 
I understand what Coco is saying, and I think I may agree. If you look at SmackDown, there are only two faces, Jeff Hardy and Rey Mysterio, who are extremely over. CM Punk gets inconsistant reactions, the Undertaker is currently on hiatus, and Morrison, R-Truth and Khali and planted square in the midcard. Out of those guys, who can realistically be the number one face on the show?

Rey: IC Title feud with Jericho, that will hopefully be nice, long, and personal like his feud with Michaels

Jeff: Might not be with the company in a few months

Punk: Not over enough to carry a show, even though he is very good and in a better position than he was the last time he cashed in

Undertaker: Out healing injuries probably for another month or two

Morrison: He's been a face for about 1 month, and it is too soon to move him up. He is the future, however.

R-Truth: He was jobbing a couple weeks ago and just lost cleanly to Jericho. He has some distance to travel.

Khali: Probably will never main-event again. He is in the midcard and I expect him to stay there until his knees collapse under his weight.

Unless Jeff comes back and/or until the Undertaker returns, there is not a single face on SD that can carry the show. Punk might survive a month or so, but he will need help. Meanwhile, on Raw there is a surplus of faces. Cena, Triple H, Michaels, and MVP. That isn't even counting the midcard faces, such as Kofi, the Colons, Santino, Festus, Golddust, and Hornswoggle. It is a great idea to move someone over to SD because they sorely need it. The only problem is that Cena and Trips are in storylines and MVP can't carry a show yet. Who does that leave? Shawn Michaels.

I understand that he wants to spend time with his family and go to church. But there are plenty of times during the week to go to church and even J.R. has said that he gets to spend much more time at home since he moved to Smackdown. I'm not saying that Shawn should go to Vince and ask to be moved for him to be a "good company man," but if asked, the right thing for him to do would be to move.
 
Just because I do not swallow every "journalistic masterpiece" handed to me by wrestling news sites that claim to know the inner workings of the wrestling industry does not mean that I am ignorant. You can protect your sources all you like and put whatever stock you want in your news stories. I prefer hard fact presented by people that are in the know and unafraid to hide behind an anonymous title like "source" or a pseudonym. If these sources in question are unhappy working where they are and flapping their gums about things they don't like but are too gutless to do anything about it, stay on the payroll and anonymously snipe at the company paying their paycheck, I honestly have no time for their bullshit. What horrid, hypocritical behavior. But by all means, lend your attention to the faceless "source". We don't even know if the writer of all of these supposed reports even HAS a source and isn't just writing bullshit stories to put attention on himself.
I'm going to take Deepthroat's word over your cynicism.

HBK put Cena over cleanly on the biggest show of the year. I'd say that is a favor.
Not at all. Cena and Michaels had a match on Raw in 2005 with No Decision. If Michaels really wanted, he could have done the job back then. By the time WM23 rolled around, Cena was a bigger draw than Michaels ever was and had been put over by Trips. He didn't need Michaels.

And then Michaels goes and gets the first clean win over Cena in three years and makes him look like shit at Backlash? Ugh. Michaels could have overturned those decisions but didn't. The man is awful.

Everyone loses to 'Taker? Come now. Even the Great Khali has a victory at a PPV over 'Taker.
Taker got the win back. When's the last time Taker lost a feud? It probably hasn't been since JBL in 2004 and even that wasn't clean. Honestly, nobody gets one up on him in the end. And yet even he gives up to his opponents. The man has recently had Show and Shelton look great.

You'd have to go back a long time to find the answer.

HBK had won every single match between the two of them before WM25 and he put 'Taker over in one of the most exciting and competitive matches in WM history while protecting the streak at the same time. I'd say that is a favor.
Taker doesn't need putting over. Michaels did nothing. Taker could have wrestled Funaki in a squash and his reputation would be right where it was before that match.

Angle kicked out of the Sweet Chin Music making it look like crap. So? HBK sold the hold like he was dying of Ebola and a lava enema and the fans reaction was tremendous.
He spent longer in that hold than anyone ever has. If he'd tapped sooner, Angle could have gotten more from it. Instead, Angle didn't have what it takes to take out this skinny old man in decent fashion.

The following matches they had did not even come close to the WM match
TBH, and it's all about preference, the Vengeance match is one of the only Angle matches I can still stand. It wasn't nearly as spotty as the Mania match for my money.

ORTON? HBK did not have one win over Orton during their entire feud besides a DQ win because Orton low blowed him. If anything, HBK solidified Orton's reputation as a sick fuck who gave concussions to people whenever he felt like it. He did the job cleanly in subsequent matches also. FAVOR!
No. He superkicked Orton for six weeks straight and after the Survivor Series match, killing all the momentum that Orton had built up from the Cena feud and making Orton look like shit. Orton continued to look that way until the feud with Jeff Hardy came along. Michaels did so much damage to Orton that he's right next to Hunter in terms people Orton needs to stay away from on-screen.

PLUS, he gave Flair the greatest send off of his career as I mentioned before.
He did something for his boyhood idol. Wow. How nice of him. That must have been difficult.

:rolleyes:

The only favors Michaels has really done since coming back are for Jericho and Shelton. That's about it.
 
The reason why this thread was created: Attention. You see, people create Shawn Michaels bashing threads all the time. They always get forgotten about and recreated because people like CoCo cannot stand being ignored. So he creates a thread with a ridiculous subject to cover up his blind hate. If you are right and Michaels is not a company man, which you aren't, so fucking what? Do you work your job solely for the growth of the company? Or do you work to get PAID? How can you attack his personal motives if you would do the same thing. And quit belittling his religuous beliefs. It would be illegal for the E to refuse to grant him time off for church.
 
shawn gave to wwe for years so if he wants bit of time off to mend few old and new wounds who are you to say he cant and is a born-again christian less you have forgot witch means a hell of a lot to him if not more than wwe why because it should mean more to him he doesnt want the world or wwe belt because he done it before he has nothing else to prove he now at a time in life and carrear where he is giving back by helping the younger guys and he knows it time for someone else to have it if vince doesnt give it to anyone but cena hhh edge Batista then thats up to him NOT shawn
 
I noticed shots at Micheals being religious and not wanting to work on Tuesdays because of it.

No, it's fine, disrespect someone because of their beliefs. Ignore the fact he's one of the top performers in the business and use the net to pat yourself on the back for your version of fact.

I see this thread as being in the same vein as people who didn't have an issue with the God angle Vince pulled.

You don't understand, so you belittle. It isn't you, so why should you care.

I got an idea... how about you go M.E. Smackdown so Shawn can be happy?

See.. I can make silly statements to.
 
Ok obviously you put up this thread for the attention because it has no intelligence what so ever. Shawn Michaels is 43 years old... and yet he still is by far the best performer on the roaster. yeah there are guys like Shelton and Kofi who are faster and fun to watch but could they DRAW? Probably not. The guy has taken more bumps then he is days old, he's held every belt and came back from a surgically repaired back that should have ended his career. Do you think the nickname "Mr. Wrestlemania" was something that he made up over night to get a cheap pop from a random crowd? He got that because he steals the show EVERYTIME. Why do you think the two main events at WM25 got criticized so much? Because they had to follow Shawn and the Undertaker and they were not even on their level.

Now after the very little I stated there, you say he is not a company man?? the only thing he hasn't done is fucked the bosses daughter, his buddy Triple H already took that route. They guy goes to Church in which basically saved his life from a life of constant drug problems and he wants to serve his church and speak to god... and yout think the company comes before that? It is Vince's responsibility to develop enough talent every year so that he has something to sell after Shawn retires and i can tell you that putting on skits that make fun of the Devner Nuggets Owner and constantly touting Raw as "Cables most watched Show" is far from allowing the company to grow.

So whats your solution? Fire him because he is not a "Company Man?" That would be the stupidest thing I ever heard. Shawn made it clear that he wrestles for the "love of the game" and wanted his kids to see what he did for a living and its pathetic that he outperforms the entire roaster in the WWE at his age. He refuses the title because his body can't keep up with the main event push and then some moron like you writes a thread "He's not a Company Man."

Whats your next thread going to be about? How exciting and under-used John Cena is? Or how about "The PG Era is much more exciting then the Attitude Era!"
 
I'm going to take Deepthroat's word over your cynicism.

When professional wrestling takes on the same importance as national government, I'll accept that as a valid response. Unfortunately, internet reporting for wrestling is 9 time out of 10 all second hand knowledge based on what some janitor supposedly saw or heard backstage at some house show. Not quite the same.

All of the things you mentioned about Michaels in your posts comes down to this: When it mattered most (when the championship was on the line, 'Taker's streak was on the line, etc.) Shawn did the job. Cena was still the champ. Orton was still the champ. 'Taker will still be taking the streak to the Hall of Fame. Angle had his hand raised at WM. Flair went out in style. Jericho went on to World Championship status and Benjamin went on to...do what he is doing right now. And it comes as no surprise that the half of these matches were lauded as match of the year contenders. So Michaels is doing SOMETHING right.

He is old now. He has given us countless great memories, matches, reasons to love him and to hate him. He has made us laugh and want to kill him. The WWE recognizes that by giving him special and well deserved concessions and I think we should as well.
 
Shawn Michaels is 43 years old... and yet he still is by far the best performer on the roaster.
Yes. He does have a lot to offer on SmackDown.

yeah there are guys like Shelton and Kofi who are faster and fun to watch but could they DRAW? Probably not.
I never said they could.

The guy has taken more bumps then he is days old, he's held every belt and came back from a surgically repaired back that should have ended his career.
And done little of value or substance since his comeback. He's done very little except feed his own ego, as I outlined earlier in this thread.

Do you think the nickname "Mr. Wrestlemania" was something that he made up over night to get a cheap pop from a random crowd?
Yeah.

It was the build-up to WM21. He threw the line out. It stuck. Hogan and Taker have better arguments for being Mr. Wrestlemania.

He got that because he steals the show EVERYTIME.
Yeah, his match at No Way Out this year was a real barn burner. Lulz. His two matches with Kane this year were soooo awesome as well.

This "Michaels can get a good match out of anybody" crap must stop. He can't.

Why do you think the two main events at WM25 got criticized so much?
Because Trips-Orton sucked.

The triple threat was great. Anyone saying different is probably another fickle fan when it comes to John Cena.

Because they had to follow Shawn and the Undertaker and they were not even on their level.
WWE really works some people pretty well, no? They tell you it's the bestest thing ever, and you just got to believe them. Those videos where JR says "Nobody has ever outpreformed Shawn Michaels in a big match environment" have really taken their toll.

They guy goes to Church in which basically saved his life from a life of constant drug problems and he wants to serve his church and speak to god... and yout think the company comes before that?
God is everywhere, including the road. In addition, the company flips the bill for rehab now. I'm taking their side.

Shawn made it clear that he wrestles for the "love of the game"
If he really loved the game, he'd do what he's been asked to do and what the Blue Brand needs.

and wanted his kids to see what he did for a living and its pathetic that he outperforms the entire roaster in the WWE at his age.
He doesn't ourperform the entire roster. On a consistent basis, there's a decent list of guys who wrestle at a higher and more consistent level than Mr On Again Off Again. Heck, there are guys on even ECW right now quietly putting together great bodies of work but Michaels busts out one awesome match a year and we're all expected to get on our knees and suck Shawn's old cock because the hype says we should.

He refuses the title because his body can't keep up with the main event push
Have him show up for TV and go all out only for the PPVs with maybe a couple house shows a month. The man will survive.

Unless you mean his body won't hold up under the literal weight of the belt. In which case, I have no comment.

Whats your next thread going to be about? How exciting and under-used John Cena is? Or how about "The PG Era is much more exciting then the Attitude Era!"
I'm on record has having both of those opinions.

Honestly though, don't let this thread make you think I don't like some of Shawn's work. He cracks my top ten list of favorite wrestlers ever. He just doesn't do all he can.
 
Nowhere in there was Coco criticizing Shawn for being religious. What I think he was saying, and what I am for sure saying is that there are church services more than one day a week. I respect him for being religious, I am too, but he is being selfish by not being flexible for his job. That is the point that I believe Coco is trying to make.

(Coco, feel free to correct me if I'm putting words in your mouth...or keyboard)
 
Nowhere in there was Coco criticizing Shawn for being religious. What I think he was saying, and what I am for sure saying is that there are church services more than one day a week. I respect him for being religious, I am too, but he is being selfish by not being flexible for his job. That is the point that I believe Coco is trying to make.

(Coco, feel free to correct me if I'm putting words in your mouth...or keyboard)
You're absolutely on the money. I have a bit of an interest in religion myself and attend church regularly. But in no way do I let it get in the way of my schooling, work, or any of my other responsibilities. You understand exactly what I'm saying. I'd like to know where people get off thinking I'm implying Shawn should quit being religious or that religion is a bad thing.

People just see my opinions and feel the need to paint me with broad strokes. It's alarming.
 
WWWWWhoooaaa ho hohohooooo.

Through all of these posts that I read, the one thing I keep thinking is about how everyone defending Shawn says that he's earned the right to be selfish and doesnt necessarily have to do the 'right' thing.

However, I call BS. Why was it wrong of Bret at the screwjob then? Bret devoted more time to the business than anyone in the years he was there... So anyone saying that Shawn doesnt need to do the right thing for smackdown and WWE, and he deserves special treatment, then you BETTER be on Brets side in the screwjob.

But the ones defending Shawn are probably mostly Shawn fans and will defend him till they die. 'Cause Shawn fans are the most ridiculous ones out there... Dont get me wrong, hes top 5 in my book. But I just want to know, from the people defending shawn on this post, do u defend him on the screwjob too? cause he shouldnt get any special treatment if bret didnt.


I agree that he's not a company man, or maybe hes just a hypocrite.
 
No, this isn't a thread about him getting more of a push than he deserves. This is a thread about the man not taking the push he probably should!

Shawn Michaels is not a company man. He refuses to work Tuesdays because of prayer services which he could easily find another day to attend. He refuses to be the champion because of personal preference. That last part might work for a guy like Kane who has no value as champion and going in for weekday worship services would be fine if the man was an undercard scrub who isn't needed on Tuesday nights. However, when push comes to shove and if the company is in dire need of him to do his duty and be a big player, Shawn should be a company man and step up to the fucking plate.

The rumor mill is wild with speculation of Jeff leaving the WWE and Rey being on shakey ground with management as a result of their treatment of Vickie. With Taker out on injury, a possible Edge face turn in the works (the success of which is still up in the air if it is even going ahead), and CM Punk's face heat in question from time to time (especially after the ending of Extreme Rules), SmackDown needs a credible top face. Yet time and time again, every time the man has been asked, Shawn Michaels has turned management down and chosen what's best for himself. The man has no concern of what the company may require of him. It's all about Shawn, as usual.

In conclusion, Shawn not being World Heavyweight Champion proves once again just how selfish he is.

In all fairness, Michaels giving up a run at a heavyweight title is hardly ever being selfish.

Michaels has gone above and beyond the call of duty for the WWE and has been appreciated as such. Mind you, he has held numerous titles before; three times as WWE champion and one time as a World Heavyweight champion. Michaels is recognized as a two-time Royal Rumble winner and is also recognized as the first ever Grand Slam champion and the Fourth Triple Crown champion. If he asks for a day off, he damn well deserves it.

And have you ever thought about his decision to NOT take another run with the strap to put other, younger stars in the spotlight? I mean, look at Cena. I am a Cena mark, mind you, but I understand that Cena can only be given so many title runs before we all get sick of him (which has happened and continues to this day). And if you honestly believe that Michaels is selfish for not taking the belt and that he should retire on account of how old he is, would it be safe to say that Undertaker is selfish as well and that he should be put away because of his injury or how old he is? If you are honestly looking for a credible face, look towards the new guys who are in development. The WWE cannot push their older stars forever.

We, as the IWC, don't need repeat heavyweight champions. We don't need Cena, Edge, HHH, Batista, or Orton as champions any more, because these wrestlers have been champions over and over again since 2005. We don't need 80's-90's stars as champs. We've seen it. It's boring. And it makes the IWC hate that particular wrestler being shoved down our throats. I wouldn't mind another run with the gold on Michaels' waist, seeing as it hasn't happened since 2002, but it isn't necessary. Shawn, along with the rest of the remaining Monday Night War/Attitude Era roster should be putting over newer guys, or superstars who haven't had main event title runs.
 
I don't agree with any side on the Montreal Screwjob. I think the whole affair was handled poorly with petty differences developing into a public and personal feud. Bret, Vince and Shawn should have ironed that all out WAY before they got to Survivor Series. Vince tried to renege on Bret's contract, Bret wouldn't job to Shawn, Shawn wouldn't job to Bret, Vince called for the bell, Bret beat him up, Shawn lied about being involved...sad. All of it.

No one involved in that entire incident was without some blame in there.
 
Michaels has gone above and beyond the call of duty for the WWE and has been appreciated as such.
Not really. He's told WWE what calls they can and cannot make. Hardly impressive and it should not have been put up with by the higher ups.

Mind you, he has held numerous titles before; three times as WWE champion and one time as a World Heavyweight champion. Michaels is recognized as a two-time Royal Rumble winner and is also recognized as the first ever Grand Slam champion and the Fourth Triple Crown champion. If he asks for a day off, he damn well deserves it.
I'm confused. He's done just about fuck all of that outside of a one month title reign since his 2002 comeback, so he deserves time off... What kind of logic is this?

And have you ever thought about his decision to NOT take another run with the strap to put other, younger stars in the spotlight?
Sure, but what face on SmackDown is ready for that? Michaels is actually need, and his constant refusal to help that show leaves that brand high and dry at the moment.

I mean, look at Cena. I am a Cena mark, mind you, but I understand that Cena can only be given so many title runs before we all get sick of him (which has happened and continues to this day).
It hasn't happened, though. Cena's the biggest draw since Rock and Austin and continues to garner more crowd interest than any other wrestler today. People want Cena now more than ever.

And if you honestly believe that Michaels is selfish for not taking the belt and that he should retire on account of how old he is, would it be safe to say that Undertaker is selfish as well and that he should be put away because of his injury or how old he is?
Taker is legit injured on crutches. It's a completely different situation than Michaels, who is taking time off by choice. If that's what he wants, he should retire.

If you are honestly looking for a credible face, look towards the new guys who are in development. The WWE cannot push their older stars forever.
No new faces are ready. Somebody needs to carry the torch while they get built up on SmackDown. No reason to rush anybody to a title run.

We, as the IWC, don't need repeat heavyweight champions.
What the fuck? I'm in the IWC and I sure want them! Some guys deserve the belt more than once... more than twice even! It can't always be new for the sake of new when you have strong placeholders still ready to go and make money.

We don't need Cena, Edge, HHH, Batista, or Orton as champions any more, because these wrestlers have been champions over and over again since 2005
Proven draws who make money and put asses in seats don't need to be Champion. Yeah, okay.

Okay, Orton doesn't really fit that description. But the others can be fine champions should the right circumstances arise. Or in Cena's case, he'll be a fine champion any time he's given the gold.

And it makes the IWC hate that particular wrestler being shoved down our throats.
Umm. It's the same complaint when the belt goes on a new guy too soon.

Fuck this group you speak of and their collective fickleness.

But seriously, sacrificing Michaels' title chances for guys who aren't ready for the belt is silly. Morrison and R-Truth as top faces won't cut it, so Michaels should be available.
 
Why are you trying to compare the screwjob to this situation? Shawn isn't doing what Bret did. I am sure that Shawn wouldn't pull the same bullshit. So no I do not side with Bret and your argument is irrelevant. Shawn doesn't have to work around his job for his religous practices. He isn't the one begging for a spot on the roster, Vince is the one who wants him so badly. I'm sure he would be quite content being retired. You wanna bitch about the schedule he requires? Bitch about Vince allowing it. If you have done as much for the company you work for as Shawn has, yot would get special treatment too.
 
Okay, This post is flat out messed up. What's worse? Shawn Michaels not wanting to have the title, so young guys get over. Or Triple H who has had it 13 times? Shawn is trying to put over young wrestlers, he puts on great shows for us. What's wrong with that?

HBK has been wrestling since the mid 80's, and has had countless knee injuries, and almost ended his career with a back injury. Guess what, even when his back was screwed up as it was, he wrestled at that year's mania, to put over one of the most famous wrestlers, Stone Cold Steve Austin. Was he feeding his ego? No, he was putting over the young talent, because we thought shawn was done.

So, 20 loyal years to the company, the guy doesn't deserve a couple days a week off? Undertaker and HBK have been loyal (I stress loyal) to the WWF/WWE for 20 years each. They many injuries. Hence, the time off. These two 45 year old men put on one of the best Wrestlemania matches in history. They out did the rest of the show, and had a better match than they did in the 90's, before their bad injuries. That's selflessness on both wrestlers. That shows that they will do anything to make us go, "woah" They deserve time off to be with their families.
 
First off, Shawn Michaels didn't draw that well in 1996/97 because WCW was a fresh, new cutting edge wrestling program with already made guys from the WWF, all while WWF still seemed like a kid's version of a wrestling show. Give him a descent title run now and I bet he draws just as good as anyone. He is so over that he gets the same pops that Jeff Hardy and Cena get.

Now, talking about not wanting to work on Tuesdays as an excuse to not be on the road that day...Wrestlers don't work 7 days a week. If he was champ for RAW and took Tuesdays off, I don't see how it would be a problem. I know damn well that when HHH was champ he wasn't working every house show, fact. I agree that with both sides of this argument. One side is that he's 44, has a wife and kids, and is dedicated to religion; on the other hand the company could use him as champ and to work more dates.

My last point..Shawn Michaels used to be a drug addict. Now that he's clean, Jesus Christ IS his new drug of choice. People with an addictive personality need to cling to something, and he chose the path of religion, albeit a better way to go. Back when Shawn was on drugs he was making all his career moves and decisions based on his personal gain, selfishness, and under the influence of hard drugs which indeed through off his perception of things and hurt his personality. Now all his career decisions and moves are based on his religion and what he does to practice it. Some could call that selfish and not good for business but its only one day a week. If he was champ for 2 months and worked 3-4 days a week throughout those 2 months and took Tuesdays off, I don't see a problem with that. I think he should suck it up and take the belt for one last hurrah. It would be a fresh change, an exciting one cus you know all his matches will be good. He will be hanging it up soon enough anyway and will have all the time in the world for church.
 
Actually, I will say that Michael's wasn't a company man in the 90's. Most of the time, he fought the writers, and vince, a lot of the time. But since he became a born-again christian, he has been a lot different.
 
Shawn is trying to put over young wrestlers, he puts on great shows for us. What's wrong with that?
The part where he doesn't put over the young wrestlers.

HBK has been wrestling since the mid 80's, and has had countless knee injuries, and almost ended his career with a back injury. Guess what, even when his back was screwed up as it was, he wrestled at that year's mania, to put over one of the most famous wrestlers, Stone Cold Steve Austin. Was he feeding his ego? No, he was putting over the young talent, because we thought shawn was done.
Actually, he was putting over a young talent because Taker told him if he walked out with the belt like he wanted then he would knock the sexy out of the Boy Toy the second he set foot backstage. Not exactly selfless.

It was the right ending, but Michaels gets no credit because he did it to avoid an asskicking.
 
my point is what u just said dude... the relevance isnt the situation. It's the concept, Bret did just as much as Shawn for Vince, yet Shawn deserves special treatment and Bret doesnt. That is my only point, and one u fail to retaliate against. 4get about whose fault it might have been and look at it from a prior timeline. Before it actually happened, Shawn said Bret wasnt being a company man cause he wouldnt job in Canada. Yet Shawn wouldnt job to Bret either (thats besides the point). My point is Shawn is No more of a company man if he wont take the reigns when he is needed as well. He cant say Bret didnt do the right thing for the company and then when the company needs him, say hes not up to it. He CAN be the champ, even if its for a lil while, and he CAN be on Smackdown if he prays on another day.
Maybe he does deserve some time off, but that doesnt mean hes not being selfish. He still can help the company and is intentionally choosing not to.

And triple H is more selfish, dont get me wrong. I hate that hes always the champ, but shawns being a lil bitch about giving the fans what they want.

AND THE TAKER SHAWN WM 25 MATCH WAS NOT ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER. Godaaa. great, not greatest.

He should suck it up and give his fans one more real run instead of being a lil bitch about it. Hes got that in him. physically at least, maybe not mentally, cause hes selfish. HA, thats what the post is about!
 
Not really. He's told WWE what calls they can and cannot make. Hardly impressive and it should not have been put up with by the higher ups.

The same can be said for Triple H, especially on a much grander scale. The "higher ups" have practically let Trips run them all over for years. And I bet you anything that if HE doesn't get what he wants, he runs to Steph, and Steph barks and bitches until it happens. Is Triple H hardly impressive because of his backstage whining?

I'm confused. He's done just about fuck all of that outside of a one month title reign since his 2002 comeback, so he deserves time off... What kind of logic is this?

The logic behind this all is called "bad timing." Michaels made his comeback that year, and Triple H (another big star) made a return from an injury that year as well. It was also just about the time where the McMahon/Helmsley era was initiated (and also about the time where Trips was screwing Steph outside of business). Triple H got his way ever since the middle of 2002, which most likely meant Triple H was calling the shots, not Shawn Michaels.

Sure, but what face on SmackDown is ready for that? Michaels is actually need, and his constant refusal to help that show leaves that brand high and dry at the moment.

Alright, let's look at who is the current champion on Smackdown: CM Punk. If I'm not mistaken, Punk was facing midcarders on ECW (a brand that I now consider a midcard clusterf*ck) as the ECW Champ (a championship of which I now consider a glorified silver midcard shit-title). And who was he facing for that tin piece of crap? John Morrison. At that point in time, Michaels was with HHH (two apparent superstars "calling the shots," if you will, feuding with Vince McMahon. Triple H was allowing other wrestlers take the strap at that time. Now, back to topic, CM Punk is now main-event status. John Morrison is currently on Smackdown with CM Punk. Aside from Jeff Hardy, I see Morrison as a potential face to begin a feud with CM Punk for the WHC. Built up right, Morrison could very well be the next WHC. But since you are such a Michaels mark, I'll leave you to your current opinion on that topic.

It hasn't happened, though. Cena's the biggest draw since Rock and Austin and continues to garner more crowd interest than any other wrestler today. People want Cena now more than ever.

Cena is like the modern day Hogan. Kids love him. My two four and five year old boys fight over who gets to be Cena. He is a superhero. And he fills the role of a clean-cut Marine. Who doesn't respect a US Marine, who fights for the people and for our country? But I also see Cena like the New York Yankees. They constantly win the World Series (not so much lately), and everyone still goes to see their games. Yankees draw like no other baseball team. And I bet that people want to see Hogan still, either in the WWE or TNA doing something, even with the high school drama that surrounds him. But Hogan is long past us. Cena will be pretty soon.

Taker is legit injured on crutches. It's a completely different situation than Michaels, who is taking time off by choice. If that's what he wants, he should retire.

Maybe Michaels should retire. That is up to him. He does have personal preferences. And so did the Rock. He wanted to do movies when he left and even fucking plugged one of them in his speech for his father at the HOF. What stupid, inconsiderate fuck plugs an irrelevant movie during his father's inductee speech!? But I digress. Michaels is getting up there in age, along with every other famous wrestler. And if you think Michaels is selfish, go look at Sting. An awesome talent, but Sting is a frickin' asshole. He signs year long contracts just to see "whether or not" he feels like wrestling. He demanded a title shot in his contract for TNA. He will not put over other young talent. He does not want to take serious bumps. Yet Sting is still wrestling. And yet, Michaels wants to work with younger talent, and push them. He worked with the Spirit Squad members pretty well, and made them pretty popular jobbers to the stars, and a lot of them branched out. Mind you, they were still jobbers, but they got the opportunity to work with HHH and Michaels. Sting wouldn't even give a lot of the stars the time of day.

No new faces are ready. Somebody needs to carry the torch while they
get built up on SmackDown. No reason to rush anybody to a title run.
Creative hasn't worked anyone to give them either a face or a heel push. But like I mentioned above, I think Morrison has been slowly brought into the light, and he could step up to the plate (if and when Jeff Hardy leaves) and bring some solid action with Punk in the main event picture as a face. Smackdown is the wrestling brand, and if there are some decent storylines, faces and heels can be made prominent.

What the fuck? I'm in the IWC and I sure want them! Some guys deserve the belt more than once... more than twice even! It can't always be new for the sake of new when you have strong placeholders still ready to go and make money.

I agree with you for a two-or-three time run with certain wrestlers. But look at the wrestlers I called off; Cena, Edge, Orton, Batista... they have either had repetitive reigns with both heavyweight titles, or they've had long runs WITH repetitive reigns with both heavyweight titles. And it's been the same wrestlers... over and over again. You may like these faces continually in the spotlight, but I, for one, am sick and tired of it. It hasn't been a new face for a couple of years. I really think CM Punk will be some sort of transitional champion this time.

Proven draws who make money and put asses in seats don't need to be Champion. Yeah, okay.

I never said this. Far from. And I will use Michaels and Undertaker at WM25 for this; that match was arguably THE best match of the night, and possibly the most anticipated. Undertaker didn't have a title. He had a streak he ALWAYS puts on the line at Wrestlemania. You could consider that as a title. But it wasn't a gold belt. Hogan vs. The Rock at WM18. Were these two champions at the time? No. Yet this match was so frickin' hyped up (along with the Michaels/Taker match) that it put money in seats. The other matches didn't. And The Rock defeated Hogan, and that gave the Rock a HUGE rub. Simply put, a match with Undertaker, HHH, or any other top star really doesn't require a championship to be put on the line, or to have that superstar to be a champion. Truly, it really is all about the hype that draws.

Okay, Orton doesn't really fit that description. But the others can be fine champions should the right circumstances arise. Or in Cena's case, he'll be a fine champion any time he's given the gold.

I agree with this as well. There are a lot of superstars that are without gold, who have people thinking this same thing. You think Cena, you think Championship. You think HHH, you think multiple championships. You think of Flair, and you think of his legacy as a 16 time champ, and how he became champ. Now, do you think Undertaker and think champ? I think Undertaker, and I see the WM streak.

But seriously, sacrificing Michaels' title chances for guys who aren't ready for the belt is silly. Morrison and R-Truth as top faces won't cut it, so Michaels should be available.

Vince McMahon cannot rely on Michaels when other faces aren't available. Look what happened to Mr. Kennedy. He even said before his Lakers/Nuggets match that he was going to be the next champion. Moments later, he fucks up. And not even twenty-four hours after those words were spoken, he was given the axe. This is exactly why creative is there. They were probably going to push Kennedy into the main event, and when he screwed up, Batista was thrown in the mix. People who defend a certain superstar have to remember; everyone is expendable. They have to be, because they may be WWE Champ today, and pop positive for drugs (or something monumental) tomorrow and be stripped and fired.
 
You are wrong. Bret wasn't being a company man because he was leaving for WCW and would not lose the belt. You guys argue that Shawn isn't a company man because he wont miss church and wants to see his family more. See the difference? See the reason your example is irrelevant? No? Then you don't know shit about real life. Shawn has no reason to put his body through any more than it has. He has gave most of his life to wrestling fans, now he wants to give the rest to his family. Maybe he isn't a company man. But he is a family man. In the grand scheme of things, which should be more important? I would love to see him on Smackdown or with another world title. But I respect him that much more for having his priorities straight!
 
Shawn Michaels is not a company man. He refuses to work Tuesdays because of prayer services which he could easily find another day to attend.

I'm a Christian, and Christian's (And HBK will tell you the SAME THING) belief's are that our lives are committed to glorifying God. There are a LOT MORE important things in this world than being a pro wrestler.

And what you said is HYPOCRITICAL. You wanna know how much HBK loves the business? How about he takes the actual SABBATH DAY of Sunday and works PPV's? He works PPV's once a month on Sabbath and you're mad he can't work Tuesdays? Yea makes LOTS of sense..

This may be one of the most childish responses i've ever seen.

He refuses to be the champion because of personal preference. That last part might work for a guy like Kane who has no value as champion and going in for weekday worship services would be fine if the man was an undercard scrub who isn't needed on Tuesday nights. However, when push comes to shove and if the company is in dire need of him to do his duty and be a big player, Shawn should be a company man and step up to the fucking plate.

If HBK didn't wrestle Undertaker at Mania, the show would have been a complete DISASTER. HBK does enough OUTSIDE the title for the company.

But let's look at when he was with the title. He's wrestled Cena in main events, Jericho in main events, Benoit (At the time) in main events, and he hasn't contributed? Yea they can probably use him right now to build new stars, but in a way he DID in the past. He's put Cena over, Orton over, and even people like Jeff Hardy in the past as well.

Recently, he had a great feud with Jericho which pushed Jericho to a BIG HEEL turn which made Jericho the best heel right now and probably the BEST position in his ENTIRE career. (The guy is like 4 or 5 time WORLD champ, and 9 time IC champ. He's probably the most successful small man of ALL TIME)

He also had a great storyline with JBL, and how he put himself with the whole economy crisis and put himself pulling himself back to the top. Something everyone can relate to. He's done A LOT!

The rumor mill is wild with speculation of Jeff leaving the WWE and Rey being on shakey ground with management as a result of their treatment of Vickie. With Taker out on injury, a possible Edge face turn in the works (the success of which is still up in the air if it is even going ahead), and CM Punk's face heat in question from time to time (especially after the ending of Extreme Rules), SmackDown needs a credible top face. Yet time and time again, every time the man has been asked, Shawn Michaels has turned management down and chosen what's best for himself. The man has no concern of what the company may require of him. It's all about Shawn, as usual.

The reason HBK can't be the main face because HE ALREADY WAS IN ALL THE 90's and HIM being a face will do NOTHING for ratings. If he was face, all he would be doing is just please the fans that are here now.

WWE is pushing people like Kofi, MVP, Morrison, Rey, and Cena and Edge and Orton to rebuild WWE. HBK in the mix is great for pushes.. Him being champion wouldn't do that. It would only please stupid smarks that hate Cena or any other mainstream face that is popular.

HBK came back years ago and SAID he didn't wanna be champ anymore. And everyone respected that. We can't go back on that because WWE doesn't know wtf is going on with their stars. You can't blame HBK because Jeff doesn't know what to do, Kennedy can't stay healthy and hurts people, Batista tears a muscle playing hop scotch, and Cena can't be champ 24/7. HBK being in WWE PERIOD is a big thing to the product. Champion or NOT.

In conclusion, Shawn not being World Heavyweight Champion proves once again just how selfish he is.

This post shows how selfish YOU ARE.. The guy has done AMAZING things for this business. Inside AND outside of the ring. Classic matches, innovation, laughs, cries. He is arguably the GREATEST inring performer of ALL TIME. YOU on the other hand, sound like a whiny little girl going "I WANT I WANT I WANT" and not recognize what he did and still does.

Don't blame HBK for not stepping up. Blame WWE for not stepping up.
 

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