Scared of the "Black" Wrestler?

[AntiChristDeicide]

It's what draws dude. If a black guy gets super over, then he'll get pushed. Black guys don't always draw. Sorry. Maybe WWE isn't racist, maybe the fans are. I mean, most of them are white trash.

Who cares what gimmicks they're given. Some black guys can pull that off, in wrestling, stereotyping is one easy way to get over. You can get over with an audience identifying with you, a stereotype is an easy way to do that.

Truth can rap pretty well, so that works. Plus it's kinda his thing he came up with it seems.

Actually Ron Simmons (Farooq) was the first black wrestler to win a World Championship. Except that fact everything you said is true, if the wrestler can get over with a particular gimmick why shouldn't he try it. There is another thing, wrestlers whatever their ethnicity have to pitch ideas to creative too so if they don't pitch ideas and get a horrible gimmick from creative its their fault.

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

Think about this too, up until probably mid 90s, maybe even later, wrestling was RACIST. The bookers were mostly. Wrestling is HUUUUUGE in the south. What else is HUUUUUGE in the south? Racism. So, go figure, Booker T is the first guy to legitimately be a top guy in the late 90s. Well, then Rock who is both samoan and black.

Even if the bookers weren't racist, you play to your audience. If your audience is racist (which a lot of the south is and a lot of the poor white trash "communities" are), then your content will have less black people being pushed.

It sucks. I honestly thought that Pope could be like Cena huge. It's cool to be black, it's even cooler to be a cool black dude. Look at the music industry. Lil Wayne is a shit rapper but he's "over". Play up to the fact that there are a ton of white kids who act black. Capitalize on that and sell the shit out of it.

Actually Ron Simmons (Farooq) was the first black wrestler to win a World Championship. Except that fact everything you said is true, if the wrestler can get over with a particular gimmick why shouldn't he try it. There is another thing, wrestlers whatever their ethnicity have to pitch ideas to creative too so if they don't pitch ideas and get a horrible gimmick from creative its their fault.


By the way, sorry dude i quoted the wrong post you posted before.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Shelton Benjamin - turned into the "Gold Standard"
Mark Henry - who went from "The World's Strongest Man" to "Sexual Chocolate"
2-Cold Scorpio - Who went as Flash Funk
Big Daddy V - Who went from Mabel to Viscera
Booker T - Who went from a spineroonie to a King
The Boogeyman - Enough said..
Brother Devon - Whose brothers were all white
Elijah Burke - Who is a pope or something (I don't watch TNA)
Ernest Miller - Who turned into a dancing cat
Farooq - Who went from a black supremest to a bar fighting roughneck
The Godfather - Who went from a Voodoo doctor to black supremest to hilarious pimp
Montel Vontavious Porter - Who ran around telling everyone he was better then them screaming BALLIN!
Norman Smiley - (Screams like a bitch) yeah..
Jay Lethal - Who dressed up like Macho Man and Flair
Orlando Jordan - Is he gay now on TNA? whats up wit dat!
Virgil - Who ran around as a slave half his career..

As you can tell, im of American American decent,

DUDE, like Jack Swagger? Awesome!!!

How the fuck are those gimmicks "less black" you sound like a fucking bigot moron, Jay Lethal literally HAS no gimmick, he IS just himself. How is Shelton Benjamin being an all star athlete less black? What in goodness fucking name are you talking about on half of these?

How do you know these guys are being themselves just as much as anyone else is? Shelton Benjamin IS an all american wrestler. Orlando Jordan IS a bisexual male, and is extremely flamboyant...Jay Lethal literally has no gimmick what so fucking ever. R-Truth IS a rapper!!! JTG actuallY DID grow up stealing shit, you fucking DUMBASS.

You sound dumb as hell, and like just another person who wants to find ANY excuse to pull the race card. You are naming multi time champions off in that post.

Fuck off, you whiney racist bitch

 

[darbare]

I'm glad someone brought up this thread....I believe that many of you who are posting saying that other white wrestlers have shitty gimmicks, well, that may be true, but the point is that WWE does not try to relate these characters to your actual race....I'm guessing most of you are white and seem offended whenever a black person makes this kind of thread because you think someone is calling you racist.....its these kind of ethnocentric ideologies that people arent able to look past the stereotypes and see that these kinds of characters are actually pretty offensive...if you have never been exposed your entire life to a certain community you have no ground to speak...period....so dont bother giving your two cents because honestly it only leads to more conflict and alot of unnecessary name calling....a character like R-Truth who is always "shucking and jiving" is pretty offensive...thats his entire character to dance around and sing for the crowd.....as an African American I dont even relate to this character because its just stupid....not only that but being educated as well, makes me feel like his character is a slap in the face....it seems as though WWE is out of touch with the black community....look at Booker T when he was wrestling in WWE...Triple H even made a promo about him that rang true....those that talk about Ezekiel Jackson and Kofi Kingston, well they dont really count, and when I say this you have to be African American to truly understand what I'm saying....those that are are probably nodding in agreement as I speak because they GET IT...since they are foreign, they are treated differently....as well as The Rock was...even a guy like Mark Henry has been treated poorly at times...I remember he rapped a couple years on RAW....really? thats the only talent blacks have is dancing around and rapping...I do like how Otunga's character has played off his wife Hudson, but I can only wonder what kind of character he would have if he wasnt married to her.....just because other guys like Hassan and Sheik were stereotypical, doesnt make it right either....thats even more insulting to say something like that, but whoever said it probably isnt even aware....go figure..its just that no one speaks on their behalf to express their true feelings just as I just did..again this falls back on the actual wrestler and WWE creative, so who we are to judge? I am just expressing my opinion that I have arrived to from watching him every week

 

[Mighty NorCal]

those that talk about Ezekiel Jackson and Kofi Kingston, well they dont really count, to say something like that, but whoever said it probably isnt even aware....go figure

and why the fuck wouldnt they count? Becuase they are educated, speak proper english, and are pushed strongly?

 

[JGlass]

Your list is ridiculously flawed. Booker T had a very successful career in both WCW and WWE. Shelton Benjamin also had a very successful WWE career as he held both tag team and midcard gold. I could go on and on, but I realize this thread isn't about success, it's about making the black wrestler less threatening to the white audience, to which I say...

Shut the fuck up. People have bizarre gimmicks all the time, and you fail to mention that most of the black superstars you listed only used those goofy gimmicks for a short amount of time. Mark Henry was only Sexual Chocolate for about a year, and has since retained his World's Strongest Man persona as well as The Silverback when he was the ECW Champion.

MVP always had a sort of goofy, sports diva persona about him. Moot point bringing him up.

Booker T- He's seen his fair share of gimmicks, but he was always over, and that's what is most important. And now he's back on television being himself.

Shelton Benjamin- I don't see how making him "The Gold Standard" makes him any less "threatening" to white people. The whole Gold Standard gimmick just made him a little more cocky.

I could pick apart your list one by one, but I think you're starting to get the point. But just to drive that point home a little further, here's a list of white superstars who they made less threatening with goofy gimmicks.

John Cena went from a rapper to a marine.
Big Show went from a dominating giant to a big old teddy bear.
Triple H and Shawn Michaels went from the ultra-raunchy DX to a child friendly version.
DDP went from being a threat to a motivational speaker.
JBL went from a beer drinking bad ass to a well groomed businessman.
George Steele went from being a real wrestler to a weird crazy animal dude.

Whether black, white, or green tongued, nobody is ever safe from getting stuck with a ridiculous gimmick.

 

[The Brain]

I'm glad someone brought up this thread....I believe that many of you who are posting saying that other white wrestlers have shitty gimmicks, well, that may be true, but the point is that WWE does not try to relate these characters to your actual race....I'm guessing most of you are white and seem offended whenever a black person makes this kind of thread because you think someone is calling you racist.....its these kind of ethnocentric ideologies that people arent able to look past the stereotypes and see that these kinds of characters are actually pretty offensive...if you have never been exposed your entire life to a certain community you have no ground to speak...period....so dont bother giving your two cents because honestly it only leads to more conflict and alot of unnecessary name calling....a character like R-Truth who is always "shucking and jiving" is pretty offensive...thats his entire character to dance around and sing for the crowd.....as an African American I dont even relate to this character because its just stupid....not only that but being educated as well, makes me feel like his character is a slap in the face....it seems as though WWE is out of touch with the black community....look at Booker T when he was wrestling in WWE...Triple H even made a promo about him that rang true....those that talk about Ezekiel Jackson and Kofi Kingston, well they dont really count, and when I say this you have to be African American to truly understand what I'm saying....those that are are probably nodding in agreement as I speak because they GET IT...since they are foreign, they are treated differently....as well as The Rock was...even a guy like Mark Henry has been treated poorly at times...I remember he rapped a couple years on RAW....really? thats the only talent blacks have is dancing around and rapping...I do like how Otunga's character has played off his wife Hudson, but I can only wonder what kind of character he would have if he wasnt married to her.....just because other guys like Hassan and Sheik were stereotypical, doesnt make it right either....thats even more insulting to say something like that, but whoever said it probably isnt even aware....go figure..its just that no one speaks on their behalf to express their true feelings just as I just did..again this falls back on the actual wrestler and WWE creative, so who we are to judge? I am just expressing my opinion that I have arrived to from watching him every week

Please use your education to construct a proper post. A single period is all that is needed to end a sentence, and a capital letter should be used to begin the next. Using spaces to separate paragraphs would be helpful too. I think I will throw in my two cents since this is a discussion forum that is open to everyone.

How is R-Truth offensive? Did you ever think that might be his real personality? You say as an African American you don’t relate to him. Are you saying all African Americans have the same opinion? You expect to relate to every black wrestler? I’m sure there are black fans who do relate to R-Truth. There are probably white fans who relate to him too. Why don’t Kingston and Jackson count? Is it because they hurt your argument? Stereotypes about all races and nationalities are as old as wrestling itself. That doesn’t mean they are used for everyone. I’m just going to stop now because this is such a lame topic. Lighten up people.

 

[shitsngiggles]

2 white ones come to mind:

William Regal

White/English stereotype, talking like royalty when he is supposed to be from blackpool. Obviously pushing the £nglish stereotype for no reason. Used to piss me off big time and was extremely pathetic.

Sheamus

Yeah he is irish, do we need it pushed on us?

 

[darbare]

Hey Brain, I can post however I please....If I wanna add periods so be it......hows that.....since you have to be jackass to me.....Now that you wanna bring it up I will take it back. Ezekiel and Kofi do count. Kofi comes out clapping around and dancing all the time. Ezekiel has rap in his theme song. My point is why are all black wrestlers stereotyped with things like these, such as having rapping theme songs and dancing around for the crowd. If you dont see that you might need your eyes checked. Another note, why is that these black wrestlers share the same finishing move so often, or is that just a coincidence? R-Truth, MVP and Shelton have all used the same paydirt move. Is that the relegate to a black guy move? Trying to make yourself look "cool" for checking my punctuation, dammit I'll post how I want to. Of course that was the point of my entire post, to bring up what everyone else is thinking, but you have the nerve to get offended? No my friend you need to lighten up. I realize that stereotypes are as old wrestling, but it does not make them right, that was my whole point. And to insult my education by pointing out my punctuation makes you a loser. This is the internet, get over it.
.....

 

[jellmoo]

Honestly, the only gimmick given to a black performer that bothered/bothers me is Cryme Tyme. And only then because the gimmick was so shallow that it didn't take the duo anywhere other than comedy bits. I still think that if Shad had been brought in with a different gimmick he could have been something.

Remember, every wrestler that has anything remotely resembling an ongoing career is going to have multiple gimmicks along the way. They are going to be hit and miss. Look at Edge on Monday detailing all of his various gimmicks. It's a testament to the superstar as to how well they roll with each one.

Look at Ron Simmons, who happens to be one of my favorite wrestlers. World Champion in WCW, is brought in and given a gladiator gimmick, a Black Supremacist gimmick, a cult member gimmick, an ass kicker for money gimmick, and a dude that wanders into a room and says "Damn" gimmick. With the exception of the gladiator gimmick (which ran for a week or two at most) he made each gimmick work for him. I still think he should have been higher on the card, but the dude was over. Natural talent gets you places despite the gimmick.

Now look at guys like Ezekiel Jackson and Bobby Lashley. No real gimmick at all other than the fact that they are absolute brutes. Does this help or hinder them? Would a man like Ezekiel Jackson benefit from being given something extra? What if it was utterly ridiculous? Maybe make him a parody of the Old Spice Guy. It's a go nowhere gimmick, but could it be used to transition him to something else?

How about R-Truth? Smiling rapper takes you so far. Yelling out "What's Up" takes you so far. What if they use this Main Event opportunity to turn him heel and change that to a more vicious character? The transition may make the original gimmick worth it.

Shitty gimmicks aren't the domain of any particular ethnic group. Rather it has more to do with bookers that haven't figured out the best way to leverage talent. It's always going to be hit and miss. Black wrestlers (and those of other ethnicities) may have to try harder in order to connect with a primarily white audience, but I think that if they have "it", that it will still shine through.

 

[RkoZ420]

All of the guys you listed suck with the exception of Pope, Lethal, and Booker T so maybe that's why they never made it anywhere. Plenty of white guys get terrible gimmicks and end up as jobbers/released. Oh yeah didn't Truth take what was originally going to be Morrison's place in the up coming triple threat at extreme rules? If WWE was actually racist as people love to falsely claim then they would have put Morrison in the match regardless of backstage garbage that went on, heck they didn't even put Dolph in the match over Truth.

This is just your typical laundry list of black wrestlers and trying to make something of it. I can give you a list of white guys who ended up as jobbers with terrible gimmicks too, doesn't prove anything.

 

[multiverseman.com]

All of the guys you listed suck with the exception of Pope, Lethal, and Booker T so maybe that's why they never made it anywhere. Plenty of white guys get terrible gimmicks and end up as jobbers/released. Oh yeah didn't Truth take what was originally going to be Morrison's place in the up coming triple threat at extreme rules? If WWE was actually racist as people love to falsely claim then they would have put Morrison in the match regardless of backstage garbage that went on, heck they didn't even put Dolph in the match over Truth.

This is just your typical laundry list of black wrestlers and trying to make something of it. I can give you a list of white guys who ended up as jobbers with terrible gimmicks too, doesn't prove anything.

True, but look at the ratio. There are exactly TWO successful black wrestlers in WWE. Truth and Kofi. The extent to which they even are is up for debate.

This is a tough subject because people's opinion is based on many factors: what race you are, what your personality is like, and where you're from.

I'm black and I see just about every point I've read in this thread. True, R-Truth's a racially polarizing guy. However, to say he's not a realistic portrayal of a black guy is false.

 

[jellmoo]

True, but look at the ratio. There are exactly TWO successful black wrestlers in WWE. Truth and Kofi. The extent to which they even are is up for debate.

I'm not entirely sure I agree. I think that Mark Henry, for example, has been incredibly successful. He's been with the company for 15 years now, and has often floated at near main event level. While he hasn't been the top guy of the company, he has been a very solid addition and very useful.

I also think that Ezekiel JAckson has to be given some measure of success as well, despite the fact that he hasn't actually had much active time. Being booked as the last ECW champion would have been a nice feather had he not been injured immediately afterwards. And having credit for both slamming and suplexing Big Show is also a good accolade.

The only thing really missing is a black superstar being at that next level. Spoken in the same sentence as guys like Cena and Orton. That is a different beast altogether, and one that doesn't seem likely to change anytime soon.

 

[realbrutha]

Truth should win the title he deserves a push before his time in WWE is done i mean seriously did you hear the crowd on RAW. They were fully behind Truth i think Truth will be champ and the iwc will have a complete bitch fit.

WWE doesn't give a fuck what you trolls say in the iwc its obvious all the hate truth comes from him being a black man. Get over it he has a 50 / 50 chance of winning i hope he wins it to shit on the iwc's stupid logic.

I totally agree. You know something man look at this

Booker T - 5 time WCW Champion, comes to WWE. Wins world title once ,but had to become a British man to do it.

R-truth - 2 time world champ in TNA & One of THEE BEST HEELS EVER. Goes to WWE becomes a jobber for over A YEAR to nearly the entire WWE Roster.

MVP- Jobber

Mark Henry- Once noted as the strongest man in the world- Career Jobber

Shelton Benjamin- Jobber

Kofi Kingston- Jobber

See the pattern? People saying Morrison and Ziggler or even horrible , boring CMP punk is better than R-truth need to quit watching wrestling. Because you are out of your mind. Its very frustating thats all i'll say about that. As far as R-truth goes, im a fan of his, but i dont like the dancing & rapping. However, the problem with WWE is they simply do not know how to use black talent.
R-Truth should definitely be a heel this is why

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[TWJC: The Beginning]

I totally agree. You know something man look at this

Booker T - 5 time WCW Champion, comes to WWE. Wins world title once ,but had to become a British man to do it.

R-truth - 2 time world champ in TNA & One of THEE BEST HEELS EVER. Goes to WWE becomes a jobber for over A YEAR to nearly the entire WWE Roster.

MVP- Jobber

Mark Henry- Once noted as the strongest man in the world- Career Jobber

Shelton Benjamin- Jobber

Kofi Kingston- Jobber

See the pattern? People saying Morrison and Ziggler or even horrible , boring CMP punk is better than R-truth need to quit watching wrestling. Because you are out of your mind. Its very frustating thats all i'll say about that. As far as R-truth goes, im a fan of his, but i dont like the dancing & rapping. However, the problem with WWE is they simply do not know how to use black talent.
R-Truth should definitely be a heel this is why

Even better, look at this:
Booker T. = 5 time WCW champion, but it was a joke when he did that, and got midcard level cheers for most of his career until he went to shitty smackdown where he was a big fish in a little pond

R truth-2 time TNA champ, which is a shitty company, gets midcard level reactions except for his sing a longs

Mark Henry-blessed to have such an awesome job for so long and consistently get that "organization guy" reaction for so long

Shelton Benjamin-beat HHH 3 times and had a great match with HBK, still wasn't over

Kofi Kingston-got pushed, just didn't get over.

There is no racism, you get pushed based on your reaction. WWE pushes people if they get over. Maybe the crowd is racist (very possible considering what they usually look like) but if a guy doesn't get over, don't push him.

 

[realbrutha]

Even better, look at this:
Booker T. = 5 time WCW champion, but it was a joke when he did that, and got midcard level cheers for most of his career until he went to shitty smackdown where he was a big fish in a little pond

R truth-2 time TNA champ, which is a shitty company, gets midcard level reactions except for his sing a longs

Mark Henry-blessed to have such an awesome job for so long and consistently get that "organization guy" reaction for so long

Shelton Benjamin-beat HHH 3 times and had a great match with HBK, still wasn't over

Kofi Kingston-got pushed, just didn't get over.

There is no racism, you get pushed based on your reaction. WWE pushes people if they get over. Maybe the crowd is racist (very possible considering what they usually look like) but if a guy doesn't get over, don't push him.

WCW WASNT A JOKE THEN. They had Goldberg and Sting..There's alot you need to learn son. There is racism against blacks in the WWE still to this day. Booker T even said it himself in an interview. Booker T was on fire when he first came to WWE, he was already a household name so save the bullshit already. Booker T has never gotten mid card pops in WWE. The crowd has always been behind him. He was already very well known from WCW and already over. Even had the crowd saying he was the " 5 time, 5 time 5 time WCW champion" You seem to forget about The Gold dust segments he had or the grocery store scenes he had with Austin.

THEY EVEN MADE HIM JOB TO THE FUCKING BOOGEYMAN.I'll do you one better. He OUTPERFORMED THAT OVERRATED, RACIST PIECE OF SHIT TRIPLE H at Wrestlemania 19. Yeah You seem to forget about that match. Everyone knows Booker T shouldve won that match. Triple H just refused to drop it,and the sad part is he had the belt for over a year already. As far as Shelton goes, The lame excuse they had for him was he had no mic skills. Which really doesnt mean shit. They let The Great Khali win world title and Chris Benoit. Neither had mic skills.

The WWE has been screwing black wrestlers over for a long time whether you want to admit it or not and EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. TNA may be a shitty company but they HAVE WAY BETTER TALENT THAN THE WWE. Why do you think they signed R-Truth and Awesome Kong?I feel so sorry for her, they wont do anything but bury her talent and the funny part is, she wrestles better than HALF THE MEN ON WWE'S ROSTER.

 

[realbrutha]

Even better, look at this:
Booker T. = 5 time WCW champion, but it was a joke when he did that, and got midcard level cheers for most of his career until he went to shitty smackdown where he was a big fish in a little pond

R truth-2 time TNA champ, which is a shitty company, gets midcard level reactions except for his sing a longs

Mark Henry-blessed to have such an awesome job for so long and consistently get that "organization guy" reaction for so long

Shelton Benjamin-beat HHH 3 times and had a great match with HBK, still wasn't over

Kofi Kingston-got pushed, just didn't get over.

There is no racism, you get pushed based on your reaction. WWE pushes people if they get over. Maybe the crowd is racist (very possible considering what they usually look like) but if a guy doesn't get over, don't push him.

Also im gonna prove you dont know what youre talking about. Booker T got his first world title shot the same night Hogan walked out on WCW and broke kayfabe with Russo. THE SAME NIGHT! Hogan beat Jarrett in a world title match, but Hogan walked out on WCW the very same night and forfitted the belt and Booker T won it the same night. Why did it take for Hogan to walk out for Booker T to finally get his shot ? Because of racism back then. Booker T was also a 7 time tag team champ and had been in the business several years and paid his dues at that time.

Keep in mind they totally caught Booker T off guard with this match. He had no time to plan or prepare for this match. He straight up had to improvise. Another thing you are wrong about. Booker never got MID CARDER POPS IN WCW AS YOU PUT IT. LOOK AT THIS. HIS FIRST TIME WINNING WORLD TITLE. LISTEN TO THE CROWD.
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[TWJC: The Beginning]

Okay, I've said before that there was racism in wrestling, especially amongst the "good ol boys" in the mid 90s. So by the time Booker got pushed, it took him a while. The point IS NOT whether or not there was racism then, it was whether or not there's racism in the modern WWE.

You said a 5 time WCW champion is only a 1 time WWE champion. Your assuming that it's due to racism. I'm saying being a 5 time WCW champion during the time he was, doesn't mean shit. I don't give a fuck what kind of pops he got in WCW. In WWF/E WHEN IT MATTERED DID NOT GET POPS. By "most of his career" I mean more than half his career. The majority of the time Booker was in WWF/E, the majority of the time he was in WCW. When he was getting the biggest pops of the night in WCW, it was in front of 4,000 people who were drunk and he was the only passable wrestler. Not quite the same thing.

Why the fuck would Vince put the belt on Booker T if he wasn't getting over? O, I hit .450 my senior year of high school, the Yankees should sign me.

Your logic sucks and you look stupid, I'd stop now if I were you. This isn't flaming, this is advice. Your intentions are well, but there isn't racism. Guys just don't get over. Vince bases his pushes off of reactions, which are the fans. Call them racists if you want.

One more thing, what ethnicity is the Rock? O yea, BLACK and Samoan.

 

[realbrutha]

Okay, I've said before that there was racism in wrestling, especially amongst the "good ol boys" in the mid 90s. So by the time Booker got pushed, it took him a while. The point IS NOT whether or not there was racism then, it was whether or not there's racism in the modern WWE.

You said a 5 time WCW champion is only a 1 time WWE champion. Your assuming that it's due to racism. I'm saying being a 5 time WCW champion during the time he was, doesn't mean shit. I don't give a fuck what kind of pops he got in WCW. In WWF/E WHEN IT MATTERED DID NOT GET POPS. By "most of his career" I mean more than half his career. The majority of the time Booker was in WWF/E, the majority of the time he was in WCW. When he was getting the biggest pops of the night in WCW, it was in front of 4,000 people who were drunk and he was the only passable wrestler. Not quite the same thing.

Why the fuck would Vince put the belt on Booker T if he wasn't getting over? O, I hit .450 my senior year of high school, the Yankees should sign me.

Your logic sucks and you look stupid, I'd stop now if I were you. This isn't flaming, this is advice. Your intentions are well, but there isn't racism. Guys just don't get over. Vince bases his pushes off of reactions, which are the fans. Call them racists if you want.

One more thing, what ethnicity is the Rock? O yea, BLACK and Samoan.

In the black community the Rock is considered mixed. Im talking about full, noticeable African American talent. Also youre wrong about Booker T not getting pops. Go back and watch Wrestlemania 19 or his Feuds with Angle or Benoit. He got huge pops also. He came to the WWE as a Heel if thats what you mean by he didnt get many pops at 1st. Hello, dont you remember the Alliance vs WWF Feud? He had huge pops against triple h and a couple of Holy Shit chants after he put a few rare moves on him.

 

[berlinbrawler]

Why did it take for Hogan to walk out for Booker T to finally get his shot ? Because of racism back then.

Absolutely ridiculous. Countless people were being held back in WCW, most of them as white as they come. They were held back because the old stars like Hogan and Nash wouldn't give up the main event spots. But the one top tier black guy was held back because of racism? Give me a f***ing break!

I'm getting pretty tired of someone shouting RACISM every time a black wrestler doesn't turn out to be main event material. It happens all the time, regardless of the wrestler's skin color.
Fact is only a small percentage of all wrestlers make it to the top. Fact is also that only a small percentage of ALL WRESTLERS are black. Do the math and you'll know why there are so few black main eventers. With so many more white wrestlers out there it's easy to fathom why there are so many more white main eventers. If that's racism for you, go cry me a river. I'm not saying racism in wrestling never existed (it did, no doubt about it) but it hasn't been much of a factor in more than a decade.


As for R-Truth, I agree with the general consensus that he is but a replacement for John Morrison, who doesn't seem to be the sharpest politician out there and is being taught a life lesson. Truth winning the title would be a terrible idea. His character is lame and annoying and his wrestling style is, for the lack of a better word, bonkers. Not championship material. I hope I won't be labeled a member of the clan for saying that.

 

[realbrutha]

Absolutely ridiculous. Countless people were being held back in WCW, most of them as white as they come. They were held back because the old stars like Hogan and Nash wouldn't give up the main event spots. But the one top tier black guy was held back because of racism? Give me a f***ing break!

I'm getting pretty tired of someone shouting RACISM every time a black wrestler doesn't turn out to be main event material. It happens all the time, regardless of the wrestler's skin color.
Fact is only a small percentage of all wrestlers make it to the top. Fact is also that only a small percentage of ALL WRESTLERS are black. Do the math and you'll know why there are so few black main eventers. With so many more white wrestlers out there it's easy to fathom why there are so many more white main eventers. If that's racism for you, go cry me a river. I'm not saying racism in wrestling never existed (it did, no doubt about it) but it hasn't been much of a factor in more than a decade.


As for R-Truth, I agree with the general consensus that he is but a replacement for John Morrison, who doesn't seem to be the sharpest politician out there and is being taught a life lesson. Truth winning the title would be a terrible idea. His character is lame and annoying and his wrestling style is, for the lack of a better word, bonkers. Not championship material. I hope I won't be labeled a member of the clan for saying that.

I agree with some of what you said but there was alot of racism in wrestling in the 90's and it still is. You want proof? Just Watch how they do Awesome Kong when she arrives. They wont ever let her win womens title. Vince Russo said in an interview that Hogan held Booker T back for 14 yrs. R- truth does need to kill the rap gimmick i hate that myself and im an R-truth fan from his days with TNA.

R-Truth needs a heel turn, But R-truth is still better than Morrison or any of these other so called guys that shouldve replaced him and gets bigger pops . He also has a better skill set and moves than all the other so called guys that should replace him. The last few mos R-Truth has been injured. He almost died in december of pneumonia because he lost oxygen from his brain while he was traveling. Luckily several WWE superstars rushed him to the hospital. Surprised nobody heard about that. All that jobbing the WWE has been making this dude do for over a year and you think he doesnt deserve a push? Chile Please! And dont give me some stupid bullshit about a race card. You dont what its like to be enslaved for over 400 yrs. You dont know what its like to have dogs seeked on you while youre fighting for equal rights. I hate when people do that shit. Stop trying to figure out black people because you never will because you havent been in our shoes nor in the same situations. Did you know black superstars used to get called the Nword backstage? Did you know that Hulk Hogan told Tony Atlas to shine his shoes? Even if it was an angle at that time shit was racist and still is. So dont you go telling me. The wrestling business hasnt ever been racist CUZ THATS A LOAD OF BULLSHIT AND YOU KNOW IT! Hogan is a racist anyways and so is Triple H.
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[berlinbrawler]

@ realbrutha.
Only a few minutes have passed since my last post and already I regret the rather harsh tone I used. Sorry about that. That's usually not what I do. I guess I'm just really tired of that particular debate coming up again and again. Maybe I should jus shut up the next time.

Vince Russo said Hogan held back Booker for 14 years? Maybe, but did Hogan do so because he wanted to keep the black man down or simply to kill the competition?

I disagree about Awesome Kong by the way. I do think she will make a big impact in the women's division, and there are going to be numerous Diva's Champ runs in her WWE career. Most of them as a heel, but later on probably as a face as well. She is going to be valuable because she is such an anti-diva. Just look at that first tease with the barbie doll. That was a clear message if you ask me.

Would a heel turn help R-Truth? Sigh. Maybe, but I doubt it. To be perfectly honest, I don't see much potential in the man one way or another. I would be happy if he stopped shouting WHASSUP in my ear every week, but that's hardly the only reason I don't see anything in him. Oh, and to say he has a better skill set and moves than Morrison is flat out wrong. We must have been watching different shows. Oh, well, fair enough. We are all entitled to our opinions.

 

[realbrutha]

@ realbrutha.
Only a few minutes have passed since my last post and already I regret the rather harsh tone I used. Sorry about that. That's usually not what I do. I guess I'm just really tired of that particular debate coming up again and again. Maybe I should jus shut up the next time.

Vince Russo said Hogan held back Booker for 14 years? Maybe, but did Hogan do so because he wanted to keep the black man down or simply to kill the competition?

I disagree about Awesome Kong by the way. I do think she will make a big impact in the women's division, and there are going to be numerous Diva's Champ runs in her WWE career. Most of them as a heel, but later on probably as a face as well. She is going to be valuable because she is such an anti-diva. Just look at that first tease with the barbie doll. That was a clear message if you ask me.

Would a heel turn help R-Truth? Sigh. Maybe, but I doubt it. To be perfectly honest, I don't see much potential in the man one way or another. I would be happy if he stopped shouting WHASSUP in my ear every week, but that's hardly the only reason I don't see anything in him. Oh, and to say he has a better skill set and moves than Morrison is flat out wrong. We must have been watching different shows. Oh, well, fair enough. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Its cool no big deal. Yeah Hogan held Booker T back it wasnt 14, i meant maybe 6/7 yrs. I have to go back and find that Vince russo shoot. Then wcw was definitely racist back then. After Booker won the title the commentators were like this is long overdue. I really admire the hell of out Booker T. They say he never complained, he never bitched about it once. Funny thing man I believe Awesome Kong is better than half of raws roster, yes that includes the men. But you see she doesnt have the looks and thats the thing. You know wwe has gotten very diva friendly lately. I know one thing, she'll definitely burst a couple of implants. What does Morrison have? He had one move i like and thats the Starship pain. But R-truth finisher is better. I also like Rtruth suplex stunner.

 

[realbrutha]

Okay, I've said before that there was racism in wrestling, especially amongst the "good ol boys" in the mid 90s. So by the time Booker got pushed, it took him a while. The point IS NOT whether or not there was racism then, it was whether or not there's racism in the modern WWE.



Why the fuck would Vince put the belt on Booker T if he wasn't getting over?

I'd like to say this. Booker T is one of the most underrated wrestlers of all time. Booker T has a helluva lot more finishers than a scissors kick. Hes got the Book-end which is basically the Rock Bottom and no he didnt steal it from the rock because hes been wrestling way before the rock ever stepped foot in the ring and he also has the Houston hang over. He used on triple H at Wrestlemania 19. He barely used it in WWE. Sometimes the wrestlers are restricted from using moves for whatever reason.
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[realbrutha]

Even better, look at this:
Booker T. = 5 time WCW champion, but it was a joke when he did that, and got midcard level cheers for most of his career until he went to shitty smackdown where he was a big fish in a little pond

R truth-2 time TNA champ, which is a shitty company, gets midcard level reactions except for his sing a longs

Mark Henry-blessed to have such an awesome job for so long and consistently get that "organization guy" reaction for so long

Shelton Benjamin-beat HHH 3 times and had a great match with HBK, still wasn't over

Kofi Kingston-got pushed, just didn't get over.

There is no racism, you get pushed based on your reaction. WWE pushes people if they get over. Maybe the crowd is racist (very possible considering what they usually look like) but if a guy doesn't get over, don't push him.

Do you really want proof that wwe is racist? look what Vinces son did to Booker T. Its how he really felt, you cant say its just an angle cuz thats bullshit. This man basically tried to buried Booker T with the whole WCW thing, call his hair nappy and tried to treat him like a slave. It offended viewers and not just Booker T

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