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Not all of us are as crazy as some people in here.Really Santino Marella fans are like scientologists, both worship something incredibly stupid.
Wow i state my opinion on marella and i immediatly get bad rep from the vice president.Anyways not one fan has explained it to me whats so great about this jobber?
Instead of giving me bad rep how about giving me an answer?
Really Santino Marella fans are like scientologists, both worship something incredibly stupid.
Not all of us are as crazy as some people in here.
What the fuck does his screenname have to do with anything?You're name is "Holy Shit" and you think anyone is really going to respect your opinions?
Then along came Santino, and he made it so.Usually jobbers don't hold the IC belt.
That makes zero sense to me.I gave you bad rep mostly because you are a Public Enemy, and as a member of the SFAC, we are told to give PE red rep.
Santino sucks monkey balls and isn't even as over as his character's girlfriend Beth Phoenix.State an opinion here now, and Ill respond to it.
Yes, I know all about it.Read some of the shit on here to discuss how we have already told why Santino is prestigious.
No. I'll talk about Santino in here if I want to. And so can anyone else.If you are just bring up dead old points that have already been talked about, but are just to lazy to talk about them, shut the fuck up and dont talk in here.
Santino sucks hardcore. And that's unbiased.But I am ready to debate you if you can bring an unbiased debate my way.
You're name is "Holy Shit" and you think anyone is really going to respect your opinions?
Usually jobbers don't hold the IC belt
I gave you bad rep mostly because you are a Public Enemy, and as a member of the SFAC, we are told to give PE red rep.
State an opinion here now, and Ill respond to it.
Read some of the shit on here to discuss how we have already told why Santino is prestigious. If you have a new argument, lets have it.
If you are just bring up dead old points that have already been talked about, but are just to lazy to talk about them
shut the fuck up and dont talk in here. But I am ready to debate you if you can bring an unbiased debate my way.
What the fuck does his screenname have to do with anything?
Consider yourself fortunate that I don't give you a flaming infraction.
Do you really think the most powerful wrestling company in the world, the brightest minds in the wrestling universe didn't see a positive in making Santino a IC Champion?Then along came Santino, and he made it so.
What's your point?
Well you see... When I signed in last night, I was surfing through the thread, and come across the President saying hes a new PE. And we red rep PEs... I added it together, and what do I got? besides a song from Cinderella? Guess.That makes zero sense to me.
Great point. Glad to see the maturity level is strong in you.Santino sucks monkey balls and isn't even as over as his character's girlfriend Beth Phoenix.
Yes, his character that the person who signs his pay check told him to portray. Do you really think he has so many fans just because he adds an "a" to every word? Why do you think that people like Chris Jericho have fans? Becaue they bust their ass out there every night. Santino does that too. Hes never sloppy with his character. I admire him for that.Yes, I know all about it.
He intentionally says words incorrectly. Hall of Fame material right there.
Yes that makes sense, lets just bring up old points, have the same argument over and over. That is productive. That is the same as someone making another "I Hate Czena" thread.No. I'll talk about Santino in here if I want to. And so can anyone else.
Because you say so?Santino sucks hardcore. And that's unbiased.
I'd rather have "Holy Shit" than "TM Canada Bowles".Really? You don't see something wrong with having a name like "Holy Shit" being a problem?
What does that have to do with the fact the guy was and still is a jobber? Do you know what a "red herring" argument is?Do you really think the most powerful wrestling company in the world, the brightest minds in the wrestling universe didn't see a positive in making Santino a IC Champion?
Maybe I wasn't clear. What the fuck is a PE?Well you see... When I signed in last night, I was surfing through the thread, and come across the President saying hes a new PE. And we red rep PEs... I added it together, and what do I got? besides a song from Cinderella? Guess.
And I assure you I'm as equally glad that you couldn't even dispute the fact that A) he sucks and B)He's not as over as Beth Phoenix.Great point. Glad to see the maturity level is strong in you.
Yes, his character that the person who signs his pay check told him to portray. Do you really think he has so many fans just because he adds an "a" to every word? Why do you think that people like Chris Jericho have fans? Becaue they bust their ass out there every night. Santino does that too. Hes never sloppy with his character. I admire him for that.
This whole thread is the same fucking thing over and over.Yes that makes sense, lets just bring up old points, have the same argument over and over. That is productive. That is the same as someone making another "I Hate Czena" thread.
Because it's obvious.Because you say so?
I didn't say that, i just said that he isn't going to get many peoples respect with a name like thatWhat the fuck difference does the dudes name make, you aren't going to answer his question cause of his name seriously?!?
Why wouldnt they give it to Val Venis then if they are just giving it nobodies? Hes been in the WWE longer than most.The belt hasn't meant a damn thing in over five years, why wouldn't they give it to a jobber?
We do what we do in a club. In some clubs they play spin the bottle. In others they create things called "The Weathermen". i think we are pretty tame in that sense.you guys really take this shit far to seriously
I wasn't here when that happened. I was asking him to debate with me here and now so I could better accomodate him.He did that, his thread go t merged ewith this one and then all you Stasnio loyist decide to throw a hissy fit cause the mod that merged the threads also changed the name of the thread
Two time IC champion isn't nothing to laugh about. He is living most professional wrestlers dreams just by being out on Raw every week.Santino & prestigious in the same sentance, that's just laughable
Im not wasting my time arguing old settled pointsWTF are you talking about?!?
So I am comparible in my anngerness to Justin? I just wanted him to either read old posts (Which I bet he didn't) before bring up old topics. I think that is in the rules.Yeah umm pretty sure I just got an infraction for doing something just like this in another thread
Makes sense, because its not your name. I think that is obvious. Id rather have my name as Holy Shit than Y2 Jake. Jake isn't my name.I'd rather have "Holy Shit" than "TM Canada Bowles".
True story.
You have to explain to be how he is a jobber before you can call him a jobber. He isnt a jobber, and that is why he is the IC Champion. Im not trying to take away from th epoint.What does that have to do with the fact the guy was and still is a jobber? Do you know what a "red herring" argument is?
Public enemy. it states that in the thread numerous timesMaybe I wasn't clear. What the fuck is a PE?
Why would I argue about someone sucking monkey balls? If you think he "sucks" in the sense that he is a bad preformer well then I would have to sayAnd I assure you I'm as equally glad that you couldn't even dispute the fact that A) he sucks and B)He's not as over as Beth Phoenix.
Do you ever make an actual substantial point, or do you just continue blowing hot air all around until people grow tired of reading some of the things you say?
Well until he loses fans, he is doing a great job. There are 40-50 men on that roster, and very few can put on a preformance like Santino.
Bullshit. And a half. People being fans of Santino came in mockery, as his first promos were all about the intentional misspeak and comparing Lilian Garcia to a Times Square hooker.
And it went from there. It was a silly thing to start that you people have become completely blinded by.
every monday Santino wrestles. We talk about it. We talk about how well he does on the P25. Then we talk about anything else we want. As we have a form of government in here, we have officers to deal with it. Its the same thing as a Presidential Debate.This whole thread is the same fucking thing over and over.
It's "Santino is great because he did this" and "Who wants to hold this position". Seriously, over and over. Just read through a few pages of the thread.
Alright, good point. because you say so.Because it's obvious.
What the fuck are you talking about at this point?Makes sense, because its not your name. I think that is obvious. Id rather have my name as Holy Shit than Y2 Jake. Jake isn't my name.
You don't call getting pinned by Divas to be the trademark of a jobber?You have to explain to be how he is a jobber before you can call him a jobber. He isnt a jobber, and that is why he is the IC Champion. Im not trying to take away from th epoint.
Good fucking lord, I feel like talking to a ******ed mule.Public enemy. it states that in the thread numerous times
Why would you ask for someone to state an opinion if you weren't prepared to debate it?Why would I argue about someone sucking monkey balls?
A great performer? He's terrible. His in-ring storytelling is nonexistent, his selling is not believable, his matches are met with yawns, and his workrate is the shits.A) He is a great preformer, he is never choppy in the ring, even if he isnt doing over the top moves. Ive seen wrsetlers who couldnt sell a punch, let alone a stunner.
Great at selling? What are you basing this on? His completely unrealistic facial expressions? His constant short-term selling of legitimate moves and his over-selling of comedic spots?B) Imagine this. Santino is a man whos character doesnt have an accent? Well if he can talk great with an accent, there is probably a great chance he could even talk better without it.
Great in the ring at sellings, great on the mic. Seems like a great Professional Wrestler.
You need to go back and read the thread. You asked for an opinion and I gave it. That's not a red herring argument, because it was part of the original topic for discussion.C) It doesnt matter even if Beth was more over. good for her, we arent talking about how over Beth Phoenix is. Do you know what a Red Herring arguement is? You are doing it right now.
Loses fans? He's got to have fans first. 20 people on one wrestling forum means nothing.Well until he loses fans, he is doing a great job.
I bet Santino wouldn't even crack the Top 25 if I were to sit down and do it.There are 40-50 men on that roster, and very few can put on a preformance like Santino.
Which proves how silly this thing has become.As we have a form of government in here, we have officers to deal with it. Its the same thing as a Presidential Debate.
Because you can't prove otherwise. Because it's fact. Because he's a jobber holding a formerly prestigious title that is now second fiddle to a Diva's title.Alright, good point. because you say so.
I was just showing you how rediculous youre arguement is. Imagine you had started on this forum and your name was "Cock696". Who would care about what you had to say.What the fuck are you talking about at this point?
So, you're saying that Holy Shit is a better name than Y 2 Jake, but that no one will take him seriously because of his name?
Do you even know what you're talking about anymore? I'd guess no.
No, but it sure makes people laugh. Lots have been pinned by a diva. I cant remember who, but I remember Maria getting a pin over another male main eventer. it could have been Mickie James.You don't call getting pinned by Divas to be the trademark of a jobber?
I know what PE stands for, but WHAT IS A PUBLIC ENEMY? Am I Rocco Rock? Johnny Grunge? Am I rapping? A criminal?
What are you talking about. And I'm not about to go through 1000s of spam posts to find it.
What the hell are you talking about?Why would you ask for someone to state an opinion if you weren't prepared to debate it?
you obviously arent that great at looking at talent. The rock was a great seller, and Santino sells just like the Rock. What story telling? Him sneaking out wins is the story. What does he do. Sneaks out wins. That is what he is asked to do and thats what he does. I really can't believe people say you are a great arguer. Youre biggest return is "Sucking Monkey Balls". Wow.A great performer? He's terrible. His in-ring storytelling is nonexistent, his selling is not believable, his matches are met with yawns, and his workrate is the shits.
That's not a great performer that's a performer who sucks monkey balls.
Facial expressions are 80% of selling. When I watch him, it looks like a move hurts. And he does it comicly. If he can play a character on the mic who "has an accent" then it would be even easier to play a character who talks just like he would in normal day life. Look at Priceless on the mic. They are horrible. Imagaine they were given a character with an accent? They would be even worse.Great at selling? What are you basing this on? His completely unrealistic facial expressions? His constant short-term selling of legitimate moves and his over-selling of comedic spots?
Great on the mic? What's great about him? He deliberately says words wrong. Big fucking deal. A good mic worker is someone who can build heat without having to resort to cheap heat like talking about NBA basketball teams moving.
You need to go back and read the thread. You asked for an opinion and I gave it. That's not a red herring argument, because it was part of the original topic for discussion.
You really don't know what that term means do you? Or are you just too lazy to actually read a thread before you post? Either way, quit wasting my time with such ridiculous babble that you can check in a matter of 15 seconds on the validity of.I dont think Beth Phoenix's level of selling has anythin gto do with Santino. Why dont you bring in how Jeff Hardy draws? John Cena? Triple H? It makes no different. Santino draws great for a Mid Carder.
Since this is a pretty good cross section of wrestling fans, albeit IWC fans, I would say it is great. Considering he is a heel, and has been a heel for 95% of his WWE stay, it is impressive that some people like him, but moer impressive that fans boo him, like the true heel he is. The fact you dont like him only shows he is a great heel. You havent been able to show me besides saying "He sucks Monkey Balls" that he is anything worse than a great heel preformer. I think I heard a few 5th graders on the city bus one day say that Triple H sucks monkey balls before, back when he was a heel.Loses fans? He's got to have fans first. 20 people on one wrestling forum means nothing.
Slys 25 Incredible Faces of the WWE? The P25 is a great source of material to show that as Number 15, Santino is the 15th most vaulable person storywise for WWE.I bet Santino wouldn't even crack the Top 25 if I were to sit down and do it.
And I'm not talking about the WWE's Top 25, I'm talking about a realistic one.
Silly enough to get you riled upWhich proves how silly this thing has become.
What? How can you actually say that? The IC belt is defended a lot more under Santino than most others that have been champions. That brings prestige. I dont think there is any more points to bring up. Even if there are, all youd say is "Santino sucks Monkey Balls." I expected more out of you Sly. Now I am going to eat some ThanksGiving Dinner. Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadian SFAC members.Because you can't prove otherwise. Because it's fact. Because he's a jobber holding a formerly prestigious title that is now second fiddle to a Diva's title.
Another point behind the SFAC is for us to talk to some of our best friends on here. Thats why this SFAC runs so smoothly. If I want to talk about the really bad day I had, which I did have a bad day, I would do it in here, not the Bar Room. The Bar room is filled with people i dont know, who would get away with laughing at something serious that is affecting me. I dont get your want to ruin that for us, just because you dont like Santino. We do, and we have developed great friendships through it. If I want a place to talke to Brian, DSC, 48/7. Risty, etc, those that are my friends on here, this is the place to do it. That is why we dont like people like you coming in here and calling mea ******ed mule.
I was just showing you how rediculous youre arguement is. Imagine you had started on this forum and your name was "Cock696". Who would care about what you had to say.
You're confusing yourself at this point. You said that no one would take HolyShit seriously because of his screenname, and I said that HolyShit was a better screen name than TM Canada Bowles. You then said that was because it's not my name, and proceeded to mention how HolyShit was a better name than Y 2 Jake, our current admin.I was just showing you how rediculous youre arguement is. Imagine you had started on this forum and your name was "Cock696". Who would care about what you had to say.
Great. That makes him a comedic jobber. But that doesn't change the fact he's a jobber.No, but it sure makes people laugh.
You asked for him to give an opinion on Santino, so I jumped in and gave an opinion. Then you fucked around and never talked about my opinion, and proceeded to gripe about how I presented my opinion.What the hell are you talking about?
you obviously arent that great at looking at talent. The rock was a great seller, and Santino sells just like the Rock.
That's not the story of the match, that's the BOOKING of the match. Jesus fucking Christ, do you know anything about wrestling? At all?What story telling? Him sneaking out wins is the story. What does he do. Sneaks out wins. That is what he is asked to do and thats what he does.
Considering I've been kicking your ass up and down this thread, I don't think you really ought to be talking.I really can't believe people say you are a great arguer.
And he does it poorly.Facial expressions are 80% of selling.
Again, you contradict yourself. A realistic expression wouldn't be funny. You are proving my position...again.When I watch him, it looks like a move hurts. And he does it comicly.
One has nothing to do with the other. Talking with a poor accent isn't a sign of talent, it's just that he talks with a poor accent.If he can play a character on the mic who "has an accent" then it would be even easier to play a character who talks just like he would in normal day life. Look at Priceless on the mic. They are horrible. Imagaine they were given a character with an accent? They would be even worse.
I've never seen a more ignorant post. Here, allow me to hold your hand and walk you through...I dont think Beth Phoenix's level of selling has anythin gto do with Santino. Why dont you bring in how Jeff Hardy draws? John Cena? Triple H? It makes no different. Santino draws great for a Mid Carder.
State an opinion here now, and Ill respond to it.
You asked for an opinion, and I told you. I said Santino sucks, and used the fact that he wasn't even as popular as a Diva wrestler to verify the fact that he sucked.Santino sucks monkey balls and isn't even as over as his character's girlfriend Beth Phoenix.
LOLSince this is a pretty good cross section of wrestling fans, albeit IWC fans, I would say it is great.
The fact you dont like him only shows he is a great heel.
Yes I have. I explained his poor ring work AND his lack of overness.You havent been able to show me besides saying "He sucks Monkey Balls" that he is anything worse than a great heel preformer.
LOLSlys 25 Incredible Faces of the WWE? The P25 is a great source of material to show that as Number 15, Santino is the 15th most vaulable person storywise for WWE.
No, the childish bitching was what riled me up, not Santino or the club. It was the fact that people in here acted like they were a bunch of 7 year olds who were told they couldn't sleep with their teddy bear anymore.Silly enough to get you riled up
It's defended against jobbers even worse than Santino, in terrible matches, through a storyline that is, by it's very existence, a mockery of the character himself.What? How can you actually say that? The IC belt is defended a lot more under Santino than most others that have been champions.
I think we need to have a discussion on what "prestige" means.That brings prestige.
I dont think there is any more points to bring up. Even if there are, all youd say is "Santino sucks Monkey Balls." I expected more out of you Sly.
I thought it was to talk about Santino? Isn't it in the wrestling sections? Isn't it a "Santino" thread?Another point behind the SFAC is for us to talk to some of our best friends on here.
Maybe you should just write a tearful blog, with a sad little "depressed" emoticon, and tell all your "friends" about it.Thats why this SFAC runs so smoothly. If I want to talk about the really bad day I had, which I did have a bad day, I would do it in here, not the Bar Room. The Bar room is filled with people i dont know, who would get away with laughing at something serious that is affecting me.
Again, reading comprehension seems to escape you.That is why we dont like people like you coming in here and calling me
You're confusing yourself at this point. You said that no one would take HolyShit seriously because of his screenname, and I said that HolyShit was a better screen name than TM Canada Bowles. You then said that was because it's not my name, and proceeded to mention how HolyShit was a better name than Y 2 Jake, our current admin.
So, what you are saying is that if people care about Jake's opinion despite his name, then they should certainly care about HolyShit's opinion despite his name. Which means you effectively disagreed with yourself.
You lose.
Great. That makes him a comedic jobber. But that doesn't change the fact he's a jobber.
I swear if you would follow the thread of conversation just once I'd be shocked as hell.
You asked for him to give an opinion on Santino, so I jumped in and gave an opinion. Then you fucked around and never talked about my opinion, and proceeded to gripe about how I presented my opinion.
So I'm asking why the hell you asked for an opinion when you weren't prepared for one.
I'll just let this statement speak for itself. And I'll let this be the judge of how misguided you really are.
That's not the story of the match, that's the BOOKING of the match. Jesus fucking Christ, do you know anything about wrestling? At all?
A basic story would be something as simple as Hart vs. Austin from WM 13, where you had two guys who hated each other going at it. A guy like Hart, normally unflappable and the excellence of execution, going wild and out of control on Austin, and then proving Austin's ability and toughness.
Or, from WM 6, where you had a passing of the torch matches, where the entire match showed Warrior as Hogan's equal. From the tests of strength to the back and forth slams, to the back and forth "adrenaline rushes"...it was all about showing that Warrior was every bit the championship material that Hogan was...and then some.
See the difference now?
Considering I've been kicking your ass up and down this thread, I don't think you really ought to be talking.
I mean, let's review.
A) I got you to completely disagree with yourself about screennames
B) I gave you what you wanted and then torched you on the fact you didn't know how to respond to it.
C) I have you making such ridiculous statements such as Santino sells like The Rock.
D) And I've proven you don't know the first thing about professional wrestling, by having to explain to you the difference between the story of the match opposed to the booking of the match.
And he does it poorly.
Again, you contradict yourself. A realistic expression wouldn't be funny. You are proving my position...again.
One has nothing to do with the other. Talking with a poor accent isn't a sign of talent, it's just that he talks with a poor accent.
I've never seen a more ignorant post. Here, allow me to hold your hand and walk you through...
You asked for an opinion, and I told you. I said Santino sucks, and used the fact that he wasn't even as popular as a Diva wrestler to verify the fact that he sucked.
Do you get it now? Would you like me to draw you a flow chart so you can follow along? Do I need make pretty pictures for you to understand?
LOL
20 fans is a good representation of his popularity?
You're setting a record for ignorant statements in one post. I don't dislike him. I don't anything him. I don't give a damn about him. If he were fired tomorrow I wouldn't care, and if he turned face and won the WWE Title I wouldn't care.
Just because I recognize the fact he sucks terribly doesn't mean I mark for his heelness.
Yes I have. I explained his poor ring work AND his lack of overness.
What else do I need? Just because you don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that his in-ring work is sloppy and poor, doesn't change the fact it is.
LOL
We're talking about quality of in-ring workers. And Santino wouldn't crack the Top 25. Please stay on topic.
No, the childish bitching was what riled me up, not Santino or the club. It was the fact that people in here acted like they were a bunch of 7 year olds who were told they couldn't sleep with their teddy bear anymore.
It's defended against jobbers even worse than Santino, in terrible matches, through a storyline that is, by it's very existence, a mockery of the character himself.
I think we need to have a discussion on what "prestige" means.
No, you just know you're getting your ass handed to you in this conversation, so you're taking a phrase I've said, what, 4 times? and using it to completely ignore the substance that I give to validate it.
I thought it was to talk about Santino? Isn't it in the wrestling sections? Isn't it a "Santino" thread?
And why the fuck am I even talking about this?
Maybe you should just write a tearful blog, with a sad little "depressed" emoticon, and tell all your "friends" about it.
But, I'm going to use this thread now, to talk about how awful Santino is. So get used to it.
Again, reading comprehension seems to escape you.
I never called you anything. Go back, slow down, and comprehend what you read.
This may be the single greatest Sly post I have ever read