samoa vs umaga

[Flippyskate21]

i really can't believe people are saying umaga, i remember just a little while ago everyone was complaining about how bad umaga was. watch the joe dvd, and see how many classic matches he has had, i can never see wwe making a best of umaga dvd

 

[Hazard]

Umaga can't wreslte, i'm 100% sure they'll release him in about 2 years or less. Samoa Joe might be overrated but he's one hell of a wrestler.

 

[gamehead]

In a match Samoa Joe would kick Umaga's ass and Samoa Joe is a way better wrestler then Umaga. Lets look at their stats shall we. First Umaga the WWE marks savior, the guy that copys of Samoa Joe, the guy that is similar to Samoa Joe but when asked by a WWE mark which is better they say Umaga by alot. These are Umaga's moves:

-Samoan Spike (Thumb thrust into opponent's neck; occasionally preceded by a lifting single arm choke, or a feint short-arm lariat)
-Flying Sausage (Top rope splash)
-Wild Samoan Drop (Body press to a Samoan drop)
-Running hip attack to the head of a seated opponent leaning against the bottom turnbuckle
-Running headbutt drop to the head of an opponent held in the tree-of-woe position
-Second-rope diving headbutt
-Turnbuckle powerbomb, usually preceded by an elevated three-quarter double-arm choke
-Giant swing, occasionally into an object such as ring steps or a barricade
-Axe handle smash

For those of you counting at home that's 9 moves, something that my little brother can do. Now let's look at the greatest wrestler to hail from Samoa, Samoa Joe:

-The Choke (ROH) / Coquina Clutch (TNA) (Rear naked choke)
-Muscle Buster
-Avalanche (second rope) Muscle Buster
-Island Driver (Sitout side powerslam or side reverse piledriver)
-Avalanche Island Driver (Second rope sitout side powerslam)
-Chimeraplex (Combination German suplex, dragon suplex, and cross-arm -German suplex)
-Samoan Elbow (Feint leg drop to elbow drop)
-C.C.S. Enzuigiri (Enzuigiri)
-Olé Kick (Running yakuza kick to the face of an opponent seated on a chair next to a guardrail, while fans chant "Olé, Olé Olé, Olé, Olé, Olé")
-Facewash
-S.T.Joe (Standing one arm side slam, a counter to a running attack)
-Backhand chop to the back of a sitting opponent / Inverted atomic drop, followed by a football kick to the chest knocking the opponent down, then bouncing off the ropes and landing on the opponent with a running knee drop
-Powerbomb with prawn hold pin, using the opponent's kickout to turn the over in to an STF, from here Joe often converts it to a crossface hold
-Repeated open hand slaps and palm strikes to the face of an opponent followed by continuous knee lifts
-Single leg running front dropkick followed by bouncing off the ropes to perform a running senton on the downed opponent
-Scoop powerslam
-Thigh hold Boston crab
-Tope suicida forearm smash

For those of you counting at home I believe that is 18 moves half of more then what Umaga has. And if those stats don't show that Samoa Joe is a better wrestler I don't know how to convince you WWE marks

Oh And another thing can Umaga does the things that Samoa Joe does in this match?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W2RGkuf4QI

I Don't Think so!!!

 

[Flippyskate21]

ya everyone actually watch that match, and then say umaga is better than joe, because i have never seen umaga do this kind of stuff

 

[Jaycobo]

i watched the video, nd yea umaga had done those basic ass moves, kicks submission, flyin around. It was a REALLY good match, and i liked how A.J won it.

 

[ThE cErEbRaL aSsAsIn]

I don't see any of you WWE marks countering this argument?

i will umaga would over power him and beat easy as that

 

[gamehead]

In a match Samoa Joe would kick Umaga's ass and Samoa Joe is a way better wrestler then Umaga. Lets look at their stats shall we. First Umaga the WWE marks savior, the guy that copys of Samoa Joe, the guy that is similar to Samoa Joe but when asked by a WWE mark which is better they say Umaga by alot. These are Umaga's moves:

-Samoan Spike (Thumb thrust into opponent's neck; occasionally preceded by a lifting single arm choke, or a feint short-arm lariat)
-Flying Sausage (Top rope splash)
-Wild Samoan Drop (Body press to a Samoan drop)
-Running hip attack to the head of a seated opponent leaning against the bottom turnbuckle
-Running headbutt drop to the head of an opponent held in the tree-of-woe position
-Second-rope diving headbutt
-Turnbuckle powerbomb, usually preceded by an elevated three-quarter double-arm choke
-Giant swing, occasionally into an object such as ring steps or a barricade
-Axe handle smash

For those of you counting at home that's 9 moves, something that my little brother can do. Now let's look at the greatest wrestler to hail from Samoa, Samoa Joe:

-The Choke (ROH) / Coquina Clutch (TNA) (Rear naked choke)
-Muscle Buster
-Avalanche (second rope) Muscle Buster
-Island Driver (Sitout side powerslam or side reverse piledriver)
-Avalanche Island Driver (Second rope sitout side powerslam)
-Chimeraplex (Combination German suplex, dragon suplex, and cross-arm -German suplex)
-Samoan Elbow (Feint leg drop to elbow drop)
-C.C.S. Enzuigiri (Enzuigiri)
-Olé Kick (Running yakuza kick to the face of an opponent seated on a chair next to a guardrail, while fans chant "Olé, Olé Olé, Olé, Olé, Olé")
-Facewash
-S.T.Joe (Standing one arm side slam, a counter to a running attack)
-Backhand chop to the back of a sitting opponent / Inverted atomic drop, followed by a football kick to the chest knocking the opponent down, then bouncing off the ropes and landing on the opponent with a running knee drop
-Powerbomb with prawn hold pin, using the opponent's kickout to turn the over in to an STF, from here Joe often converts it to a crossface hold
-Repeated open hand slaps and palm strikes to the face of an opponent followed by continuous knee lifts
-Single leg running front dropkick followed by bouncing off the ropes to perform a running senton on the downed opponent
-Scoop powerslam
-Thigh hold Boston crab
-Tope suicida forearm smash

For those of you counting at home I believe that is 18 moves half of more then what Umaga has. And if those stats don't show that Samoa Joe is a better wrestler I don't know how to convince you WWE marks

You think that Umaga can overpower Samoa Joe with this evidice. This shows that Umaga does not have the wrestking abilty of Samoa Joe. Umaga is just a fat rip-off of Samoa Joe and your excuse that Samoa Joe is fat is dumb cause the guy you are supporting is even fatter. Samoa Joe weighs 280 pounds while the guy you support weighs 340.

 

[gamehead]

i will umaga would over power him and beat east as that

Yeah that really compares to what I wrote! I write 1 whole page of why Samoa Joe is better then Umaga and you write 1 sentence of why you think Umaga is better. Yeah that really shut me up

 

[ThE cErEbRaL aSsAsIn]

Yeah that really compares to what I wrote! I write 1 whole page of why Samoa Joe is better then Umaga and you write 1 sentence of why you think Umaga is better. Yeah that really shut me up

so what its fake he can do what every any way joe dose some submissins big deal its just like 3 of them and one is a rear naked choke to easy and the other 2 it takes him for ever to apply them as long as it takes him some one would counter it and beat them

 

[Jaycobo]

Maybe he just likes Umaga better, and if they got into an actual fight all that either one would have to do would be to sit on the other one, cuz apparently everyone from samoa is fat.

 

[THNB490]

i will umaga would over power him and beat easy as that

Overpower him and do what? Give a damn reason for Gods sake. Umaga is a no talent loser who rams his ass in peoples heads and shoves his thumb in your neck. The only reason he is in WWE is because he is the Rock's real life cousin. And frankly if I was the Rock I'd be embarresed.

 

[Aeksis8745]

good one lol.

 

[ThE cErEbRaL aSsAsIn]

Overpower him and do what? Give a damn reason for Gods sake. Umaga is a no talent loser who rams his ass in peoples heads and shoves his thumb in your neck. The only reason he is in WWE is because he is the Rock's real life cousin. And frankly if I was the Rock I'd be embarresed.

oh look at u with your hogan avatar how stupid randy is going to kill the legend of hogan and good but any way umaga can move also he dose alot of explosive moves hes bigger than joe and hes just as fast no umga dont do no submissions but it dont matter joes submissions are nothing great simple stuff all joe dose is steel the spot lite from stars with real talent in tna

 

[sevastra]

do you breathe when you talk in real life? Or is it like your typing where you just have on long ass sentance?

sorry, had to ask...back to the discussion...

 

[wotdoiput]

Ill just say that im a WWE fan but have been keeping an eye on TNA for a little while, and its growing on me.. i must say there matches are way better than the WWE's...

Anyway back to the topic Umaga and Samoa Joe... well from what I have seen of the two of them i would say that Umaga would win a fight between these two...... if Samoa Joe collapsed and died on his way to the ring....

Samoa Joe would whip Umagas ass any day of the weak... he actually has real matches not squashes every week and he has a much broader array of moves than the Samoan Tonka Truck could ever dream off.

 

[nash123]

k check; both r fat, but that doesnt mean they cant wrestle. samoa is pretty sick from some of his matches ive seen. Umaga is decent just his finisher suks but its differnt from normal and usual finishers. both r the future, but ill have to say that samoa is much better than the rookie umaga(aka jamal)

 

[Blizzard]

Actually Samoa has lost four matches 1. X division Title- Styles Vs, Daniels Vs. Joe Styles wins via pinfall over Daniels. 2. Ultimate X X Championship- Daniels wins. Sting Vs. Samoa Joe Vs. Scott Steiner Vs. Christian cage- Sting pins Steiner. X title Senshi Vs. Samoa Joe Vs. Sonjay Dutt Senshi pins dutt via diving double stomp.

 

[THNB490]

oh look at u with your hogan avatar how stupid randy is going to kill the legend of hogan and good but any way umaga can move also he dose alot of explosive moves hes bigger than joe and hes just as fast no umga dont do no submissions but it dont matter joes submissions are nothing great simple stuff all joe dose is steel the spot lite from stars with real talent in tna

Oye... Your pathetic attempt to piss me off is just embarresing to yourself. Grow up, dude. This is supposed to be civil discussion, but whatever your arguments never make any sence because you dont back them up.

 

[ThE cErEbRaL aSsAsIn]

Oye... Your pathetic attempt to piss me off is just embarresing to yourself. Grow up, dude. This is supposed to be civil discussion, but whatever your arguments never make any sence because you dont back them up.

ok net nerd no i dont type storys like the rest of u do becouse i dont care i just wach it i dont go look up the history on every guy on the net and i give credit to the ones i like and trash the ones i hate its simple i dont have to type a story to try to make a point see its working your crying now u should forget it u can say i am single minded it still want stop me from trashing joe or any other guy i dont like so save your time and cry to some one who cares

 

[sevastra]

Actually Samoa has lost four matches 1. X division Title- Styles Vs, Daniels Vs. Joe Styles wins via pinfall over Daniels. 2. Ultimate X X Championship- Daniels wins. Sting Vs. Samoa Joe Vs. Scott Steiner Vs. Christian cage- Sting pins Steiner. X title Senshi Vs. Samoa Joe Vs. Sonjay Dutt Senshi pins dutt via diving double stomp.

This is true, but they say undefeated because he HIMSELF has never been pinned and has never submitted. He may have lost matches with more than one person, but he has yet to be defeated

 

[THNB490]

ok net nerd no i dont type storys like the rest of u do becouse i dont care i just wach it i dont go look up the history on every guy on the net and i give credit to the ones i like and trash the ones i hate its simple i dont have to type a story to try to make a point see its working your crying now u should forget it u can say i am single minded it still want stop me from trashing joe or any other guy i dont like so save your time and cry to some one who cares

Then stop posting on the forum you clown. If you dont know what your talking about then shut up. Even if you dont want to stop your crap at least, if you dont like TNA stay the hell out of the TNA threads. Your one of those jerks who just likes to kick up crap cus you got nothing better to do.

 

[NooDLE]

This is true, but they say undefeated because he HIMSELF has never been pinned and has never submitted. He may have lost matches with more than one person, but he has yet to be defeated

Errr, usually if you DONT win a match or LOSE a match, you are defeated. Well, thats how I see it.

 

[grungy72]

^^ i agree with the above post if you have been defeated in any way shape or form you have lost plain and simple, Heck a count out is a loss and a DQ is a loss so if the third member of a triple threat match get pinned YOU LOSE TO, Its fair enough to say he has never been pinned or made to tap but he has lost and its that simple.

 

[Kasey]

Then stop posting on the forum you clown. If you dont know what your talking about then shut up. Even if you dont want to stop your crap at least, if you dont like TNA stay the hell out of the TNA threads. Your one of those jerks who just likes to kick up crap cus you got nothing better to do.

Your wasting keystrokes talking to the "cerebral" assassin (oh, the irony). You'd have better luck communicating your frustrations to a lampshade.

 

[kapp]

ok when joe comes out there he has these look on his face as if he is going to eat someone oh and by the way to the guy who type a story this is fake so they cane give him any thing they want shoot they could even give him 10stars if they wanted but he would probly eat them to

Really, I'd like to see how its fake. Do your research before you claim anything is fake. All of that is real. I'm willing to bet you don't know who Dave Meltzer is either.

I'd really like to see some real facts on how Umaga is better than Samoa Joe.
Mostly all Umaga's matches were against Inde wrestlers that he could squash, so please back up your opinions.