Royal Rumble: The Royal Rumble Match

[ECWildsider]

First I would like to congradulate the WWE on a suprise that nobody saw coming...Cena. Now on to the downside of the Royal Rumble. Was it me or did every single match include multiple botched moves and some pretty piss poor performances. Mysterio couldn't hit half of his usual high paced moves. JBL took a bulldog that wasn't even there. Orton had to almost jump into the line of a back flip in order to validate the move. The whole Flair vs. MVP match was slow and worthless. If this is the level of performance we can expect from the WWE then all hope is lost. The Royal Rumble was for the most part a total failure. The fans didn;t get into matches or cheer the WWE's logical person mostly because they are tired of the WWE trying to shove people down our throats. Cena, albeit a suprise, wasn't and isn't that great. Flair is getting as old as the storyline. Mysterio and the underdog angle isn't moving the fans anymore. If Wrestlemania happens like the Rumble my time as a fan and a viewer is coming to an end.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

OK, I just finished watching RAW and John Cena has announced that he is using his Royal Rumble earned title shot at No Way Out against Orton.

What is wrong with that statement?

I always thought the winner of the Rumble goes to WrestleMania for their title shot, but I guess this year was different. I am so disgusted by this right now because I feel the whole purpose of the Rumble has been meaningless this year. So, John Cena returns to the Rumble as the 30th entrant(wow, got lucky there Cena, as if you needs it) and wins in typical John Cena fashion, then tonight he throws WrestleMania out the window and wants his title shot at NWO. Isn't that kind of disrespecting the "Grandest Stage of them ALL"? It is a so called "Superstar's Dream" to Main Event at WrestleMania, but John Cena just said FU to that because he wants his shot at No Way Out.

Later in the night we learn that there is going to be a RAW Elimination Chamber match with the winner going to WM's main event for the WWE title. So, RAW wins the Rumble AND gets the EC match as well?

I know that Cena is going to beat Orton at NWO and Trips is going to win the EC match for Cena vs HHH 2 at WM(it is the most likely scenario), but that is not the point I am trying to make. In previous years the Royal Rumble was the launching pad for WrestleMania, but this year it was used for one man's gain, John Cena. He never won a Royal Rumble before so Vince just threw him in there to win it and add to his already impressive accomplishments, that was the only reason for the Rumble this year and that is sad, it had nothing to do with WrestleMania. John Cena could have made his shocking return tonight and challenged Orton at NWO for the WWE title that he never lost, instead of wasting the Rumble to do it. Taker or Trips winning the Rumble would have been more efficient, hell, even a rising star like CM Punk would have benefitted greatly if he won the Rumble, but no, John Cena needs to win everything, soon enough WWE will bring back the King Of The Ring and have him win that too.

This is not a John Cena rant, but rather a rant on WWE's poor booking and storylines, they buried their 2nd biggest event of the year for John Cena and after his announcement tonight, made his Rumble victory meaningless IMO.

Agree or Disagree?

 

[MANTAR]

I wouldnt call it poor booking, i think the promos tonight explained it all. Doesnt change the experiance everyone got while watching the Rumble.

 

[TheJRod2006]

I think its still a little too early to tell......they could go in a lot of different directions with the Chamber.

The one thing I think they managed to accomplish with Cena is the surprise factor. The Mania card was looking to be very predictable, but throwing Cena back into the mix changes everything.

 

[skibbiez]

It is a so called "Superstar's Dream" to Main Event at WrestleMania, but John Cena just said FU to that because he wants his shot at No Way Out.

Well Cena "knows" he can beat Orton and he will still main event Wrestlemania as the champ. Im shocked they just didn't have the match on Raw and let Cena beat Orton there and at NWO

 

[HBK-aholic]

I completely agree with you. The winner of the RUmble goes to WRESTLEMANIA. This is just complete disrespect in my opinion, how can WWE creative even use this? They seem to want a boost in ratings. Hello? They didn't need one. Look at the figures, very little changed without Cena.

this title shot at NWO is total rubbish. Wrestlemania is the biggest stage of them all, and Cena can't even go until then without winning the championship back, and I have no doubt that he'll win. Of course he'll win. Vince McMahon licks his arse, and for what reason?! Does McMahon not hear the boos a super face gets? He gets more boos than some of the heels.

Yeah King of the ring, we'll tick that off too. A few hell in the cells for him to win? A casket match with Undertaker? How is this entertaining us?! We know what's going to happen week in week out again. His return was a good surprise, and I doubt will be bad for the WWE, but him winning it and then copmpletely disregarding mania is stupid. He would have got a title shot at NWO anyway had he returned without winning the Rumble. There really was no need for him to win it. Him winning it has also jus incresed fans dislike of him. We now know he's just going to get pushed hugely at everything he does. Again.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I always thought the winner of the Rumble goes to WrestleMania for their title shot, but I guess this year was different. I am so disgusted by this right now because I feel the whole purpose of the Rumble has been meaningless this year.

In shear honesty, the Royal Rumble this year was a complete fluke. It (to me) was built up so huge as being anything possible. Any number of random Superstars could've easily won. Shawn Michaels, Triple H., Undertaker and Batista were the favorite four to win. Umaga, The Great Khali and Mr. Kennedy were all underdog favorites. And then guys like Shelton Benjamin, C.M. Punk and even Hornswoggle all had dark horse chances at winning it.

Instead, they push the one guy who made an albeit shocking return early, the victory. What fucking right did John Cena have in even entering without "qualifying?" Because he was a former "unbeaten" World Champion? Big fucking deal.. so was Vince McMahon, in 1999, but I didn't see his ass draw #30.

They had an article on the Main site about Big Show NOT returning in the Rumble because they didn't want him to be just 'one' of the thirty entrants. They wanted his return to be "huge." Well, now we obviously know why.. because every other man in Sunday night's Rumble, that wasn't John Cena, was basically just f'ed over as any random jobber.

So, John Cena returns to the Rumble as the 30th entrant(wow, got lucky there Cena, as if you needs it) and wins in typical John Cena fashion

The shear thing that really pisses me off.. every "random" entrant, be it 1-30, is exciting because you don't know who it could be. So why on earth, would John Cena not been capable of randomly (and I mean, really fucking randomly) entered at say.. 20, or 16 even.. then have Triple H. enter #30, to stack the odds a little more against the already sure f'n thing thats known.

I'll tell you why.. because the INSTANT John Cena's music hit.. every person with a working mind knew who the winner of the Rumble was going to be, and Triple H's face basically said it for all of us.. in basically saying "What the fuck? We're all screwed!"

then tonight he throws WrestleMania out the window and wants his title shot at NWO. Isn't that kind of disrespecting the "Grandest Stage of them ALL"? It is a so called "Superstar's Dream" to Main Event at WrestleMania, but John Cena just said FU to that because he wants his shot at No Way Out.

Isn't that Cena's M.O.? To basically say "F.U." to anything traditional? What this reminds me of, is The Rock in 2001, when he defeated Kurt Angle at No Way Out.. all this is, is W.W.E. trying to hype a "filler" p.p.v. and in doing so, they knew millions would buy and watch the Rumble.. so congrats to them on that.. they just fucked everyone over on making the Rumble a complete waste.. especially since the winner "might not" (like that'd ever happen) even go to Wrestlemania, defending or fighting for, a World Championship.

Later in the night we learn that there is going to be a RAW Elimination Chamber match with the winner going to WM's main event for the WWE title. So, RAW wins the Rumble AND gets the EC match as well?

To be completely honest, I'm hyped for the Elimination Chamber with how its stacked. I think thats quite possibly the best group of talent they could put in a "Contender's Match" to make it unknown to a degree on who will win. Shawn Michaels has a shot, Jeff Hardy is the complete dark horse, Triple H. is the likely favorite. Adding Jericho & J.B.L. is what pisses me off, because it only prolongs their feud into Mania.. in quite possibly, a gimmick match. If, by some random chance this Chamber match ends their feud, I'll be even more pissed. And finally, Umaga.. probably has the least likely of chances.. but is still a great talent to fill the last spot. (short of Mr. Kennedy or Big Show, which I wished it would've been)

What this DOES do, however, is completely fucks over Smackdown as being even remotely close to being the secondary brand. Not only does Raw win the Royal Rumble, but Smackdown doesn't even get a solid gimmick match to boost their Mania Main Event.. and surely, with Cena back, this fucks Edge v. Undertaker as "the" Main Event at Wrestlemania down to quite possibly the middle of the show. Like last year's Batista/Taker match.

I know that Cena is going to beat Orton at NWO and Trips is going to win the EC match for Cena vs HHH 2 at WM(it is the most likely scenario), but that is not the point I am trying to make.

Without being completely sure.. I'd at least hope for some type of unique quality.. in which it'd possibly be Shawn Michaels v. Triple H. v. John Cena. But in my own mind, I see H.B.K. v. Ric Flair at Mania, leaving H.H.H. v. Cena being the basic only other option..

Especially because Cena is so similar to Hogan, (in his prime) in ratherly working any other type of match, outside of a Main Event-Championship one. Hell, they've built Cena to the moon so much.. if he did any type of undercard, non-title match.. I think have the crowd would simply watch in pure silence, thinking they'd all just died, or that hell froze over one.

In previous years the Royal Rumble was the launching pad for WrestleMania, but this year it was used for one man's gain, John Cena. He never won a Royal Rumble before so Vince just threw him in there to win it and add to his already impressive accomplishments, that was the only reason for the Rumble this year and that is sad, it had nothing to do with WrestleMania.

Thats typical for the W.W.E. anymore though. They've officially become W.C.W. They don't care about pushing anyone other than their Main course bread winners. Look at M.V.P., jobbing to Flair. Mr. Kennedy will likely end up doing it at No Way Out too.

I'm sure you'll get Cena marks in here claiming "he earned it" because of what he draws, or how he sells, or how much shit moronic "mark" fans buy of his. You know what, a friend told me that its funny how Cena marks will point out how he's sold more than anyone.. but what they don't mention, is how Cena has about half as much shit to sell, than any other W.W.E. Superstar.. so with that said, I'd sure as hell hope he'd sell more.. especially since he HAS MORE.

Fact is, John Cena didn't deserve THIS year's Royal Rumble victory.. and the reason why, is because albeit he lost his title without "losing it," that shouldn't automatically make you the number one contender upon returning. He should've had to "earn" his right, to climb back up the mountain.

I've seen numerous Champions lose their titles, via injury, and never get the ability to go back after them upon their return. John Cena shouldn't be any different.

John Cena could have made his shocking return tonight and challenged Orton at NWO for the WWE title that he never lost, instead of wasting the Rumble to do it. Taker or Trips winning the Rumble would have been more efficient, hell, even a rising star like CM Punk would have benefitted greatly if he won the Rumble, but no, John Cena needs to win everything, soon enough WWE will bring back the King Of The Ring and have him win that too.

I used to LOVE the King of the Ring tournament, and I only hope you're purely wrong if they do bring it back.. I honestly think they should've kept it, because it was a great p.p.v. to fill the middle of the year, and volt Superstars to fame, especially into a SummerSlam Main Event title shot.

I don't, however, agree that Triple H., or even Undertaker, should've won. Both of those guys could easily still find themselves in WrestleMania Main Events, without the help of a Rumble victory.

I honestly think (for once) they should let someone purely random win it. Shelton Benjamin, C.M. Punk, John Morrison, Mr. Kennedy, hell.. someone you'd NEVER see coming.. thats how the very first Royal Rumble was, with Hacksaw Jim Duggan winning it.

This is not a John Cena rant, but rather a rant on WWE's poor booking and storylines, they buried their 2nd biggest event of the year for John Cena and after his announcement tonight, made his Rumble victory meaningless IMO.

Agree or Disagree?

I thought SummerSlam was their second biggest event of the year? I always felt it was a summer version of Wrestlemania. With Survivor Series being the 3rd biggest, and the Royal Rumble being the 4th. My reasoning behind all that, is because outside of "one" individual getting volted into a Mania Main Event title shot.. the Royal Rumble has never had many "other" happenings. Summerslam has seen shocking moments, and many Championship changes. And Survivor Series seems to always carry a "holy shit" moment or "screw job" moment each year.

With that being said, I completely agree with you on everything. This year's Royal Rumble was piss poor booking. They DID a great job keeping Cena's return a secret.. but I'm not convinced that the winner wasn't originally going to be Bobby Lashley, until his mysterious release.

I think that if Bobby Lashley WAS suppose to be the original winner, that they should've just gave the victory to someone random, to make this year's Royal Rumble the "most shocking" through a point of never seeing that victory happen.. then "most shocking" in someone returning 3-4 monthes ahead of schedule, then knowing instantly he's going to win everything. (again, and again, and again)

 

[BigMike1994]

That was the biggest waste of a Rumble I have ever seen. I was enjoying it and had my money on Batista the whole time (Not that I wanted it there) then out of the depths of hell comes former W.W.E. Champion John Cena I was shocked but not in a good way I was annoyed and I had no doubt in my mind what was going to happen next Cena would go on an elimination frenzy then get beat for a while then of course it would be John Cena VS Triple H as the last two men still in the Royal Rumble, WWE makes every fan look psychic. Cena then went on to eliminate Triple H and win the Rumble.... Wait, whats wrong with this picture? how can some one such as John Cena come back and win one of the biggest matches in WWE history? Simple he sells merchandise. Terrorble way to end what I thought was going to be a great Rumble.

I was very annoyed to see Cena win the Royal Rumble no one comes back like that and wins a number one contender spot at Wrestlemania just because they are a top seller. Has WWE lost it's way? Where have the days gone where people like Brock Lesner and the Rock win the Royal Rumble simply because they have the potential to go all the way? I think WWE has lost it's way because of people like John Cena younger fans will buy anything with his face one it and it's truly a shame.

Now Cena is using his main Event title shot at Wresltemania at No Way Out so much for Randy Ortons reign as champion I personally thought he could've gone all the way. The point of winning a Rumble is to be in the Main Event at Wresltemania but Cena will be in a Main Event at No Way Out Orton Will definantly loose at No Way Out WWE seems to be in a hurry to put the title back on Cena.

The Royal Rumble was just an excuse to bring Cena back and stick him straight in the main event title picture.

 

[dirtyshubb]

I have yet to get round to watching the Rumble yet (should watch it tonight or tomorrow) but have to say i think its disgusting that Cena won. Now dont get me wrong i dont hate Cena, he has had some descent matches and can be good on the stick but the fact that he came back from an injury that he still hasnt healed from, meaning he is going to be wrestling very little other than the title match im assuming.

So not only do we have someone coming in and wining the rumble who (as the crowed showed from the bit i did see) most people dont want on their tv let alone the winner of the rumble but he is not fully healed and WWE have fucked up the whole point of the Rumble by changing when he gets his shot. I was pretty pissed last year when Taker and Batista were put on so far done the card considering Taker won the 'main event at wrestlemania', but this is even worse.

I know people say "but he brings in the money ect" but as someone on here said why should we care if he brings in lots of money from his merchandise, yes the WWE needs to make profit but it has gotten to the point where even the fans are willing to put up with shit booking, stories, wrestlers ect just so WWE can make bigger profits, What The Hell!

We are viewers, not shareholders so all we should care about is the product, not the WWEs marcketability and as a viewer i just feel WWE are willing to sell their soul just to make top Dollar which is something we shouldnt have to put up with.

 

[WWE_is_Jericho]

its terrible booking of course the rumble winner always goes to Wrestlemania, so that could mean john cena will main event wrestlemania except he'll be holding the wwe title.

 

[Mr.Mvp]

i think there3 was just no point to this rumble with cena coming back and using his win at no way out. every one in that rumble deserved it more than cena.... even noble. now lets re-cap cena wins, he is from raw and now raw gets the elimnation chamber, also 30th spot won two years in a row. this rumble was good entertainment rise but wwe fucked up the plans

 

[Koko B Ware's Parrot-Kes!]

I think that potentially, this is a brilliant move by WWE. After being so angered at the outcome of the RR, kudos to them for this. If Orton manages to retain, it means Cena will NOT be in the Wrestlemania main event!

What could be better than that?

 

[Koko B Ware's Parrot-Kes!]

Finally, are you kindding me when you're saying that of all people, Big show would have gotten a welcome return. New york would have boo the shit out of his return since this guy is a worst wrestler then Cena. At less Cena got a great ovation when he enter.
This is were you lost me, first of all, you're not in a position to say that Cena can't wrestle since you're a fan of the Big Show.
Where were you when HHH was rammed down are throat or when the rock was rammed down are throat or even when Stone Cold Steve Austin was rammed down are throat. Where you complaining when these guys were rammed down are throat week in and week out.
The other reason is Hornswoogle who isn'T that funny anymore and finally Randy Orton who since being the champion has been a bored fest so don'T blame Cena for the ratings declining because it'S not is fault.

I'm not a particularly huge fan of the Big Show, but he wasn't hated even when face by the majority of fans. After more than a year away, of course he would've been cheered, and STILL cheered during the match, unlike Cena last night- most of the people in MSG started to boo after the initial shock.

Stone Cold, HHH, The Rock were shoved down our throats during the attitude era- but have u not thought that they were hugely popular? And talented? Ratings then were around the 6-7 mark because people enjoyed watching them, whether heel or face. Can the same be said for Cena? Of course it's Cena's fault- people were utterly bored of his year long title reigns.

I know Hornswoggle isn't that funny, so why mention that? I'm saying they completely wasted his (and Finlay's) spot in the RR. Not of all of my comments are negative, only with regards to the WWE's poor booking.

aLSo, plz cud u lrn 2 type nd sP3LL prop3rly?

 

[HLOTN]

"here were you when HHH was rammed down are throat or when the rock was rammed down are throat or even when Stone Cold Steve Austin was rammed down are throat. Where you complaining when these guys were rammed down are throat week in and week out."

Thats a pretty wild statement. Austin and Rock were never rammed down our throats. They were loved almost universally.

I thought this year's Rumble match was better than 06 and 07. It wasn't really overdone with mellodramatic spots and the final 5-10 mins were totally unpredictable and turned everyone's proposed outcomes upside down.

 

[arvwillnotdie]

Where were you when HHH was rammed down are throat or when the rock was rammed down are throat or even when Stone Cold Steve Austin was rammed down are throat. Where you complaining when these guys were rammed down are throat week in and week out. Has for HHH hogging the show, even without the belt he's hogging the show. Since is return, he's been all over RAw, at one point, before Cena got injures, HHH was in more segment then Cena so don'T tell me that HHH isn'T hogging the show every week. Has far as been an umpredictable rumble, before Cena came out it look like a very predictable rumble, with all the big name star coming out at the beggining of the rumble and except for Batista, all of them were elimanated, it was easy to predict that HHH was winning then the mos unpredictable thing that the WWE did in a year happen when Cena arrive. Then you could predict who was going to win and that how you do a entertaining ppv. If Vince doesn'T know why is rating are declining, all he go to do is look at his Son in law because HHH is a big reason why the rating are down. The other reason is Hornswoogle who isn'T that funny anymore and finally Randy Orton who since being the champion has been a bored fest so don'T blame Cena for the ratings declining because it'S not is fault.

Finally, you're mad at the WWE for what happen last night, i got a suggestion for you, stop watching it. If you're so mad at them don'T watch RAw or Smackdown, don't buy their PPV, don'T even got to a live event in you're area or download there programming. Go see some independant show and leave the WWE alone. The WWE doesn'T need you to survive but it you do need them. Because without them you wouldn'T have anything interesting to write about because writing negative comments on wrestling board is all you are capable of doing.
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okay there's a difference between John Cena and all those guys (HHH, The Rock, Austin), they had far better gimmicks that Cena, far better in-ring wrestling skills, far better mic work, the total fn package if you will. John Cena has a LAME, WIGGER Hip Hop gimmick, a gimmick which appeals to young Eminem wanna-be white kids and other fans who listen to hip hop (be it hispanic, asian or black) and select female wrestling fans. His in-ring wrestling skills (or lack there of) are terrible, I for one have ordered and watched plenty of WWE PPVs with John Cena in the headlining match and I can most definitely say that I was never ever really impressed with anything the guy did in the ring. His finishing move is really just an elevated firemans carry with a slight 3 to 4 second pause, how fn UNdevastating is that sht? The STFU is John Cena and the WWEs way of trying to make John Cena come off more of a technical wrestler (even though he's NOT). Like we know he's no Bret Hart or Dean Malenko in the ring but we want Cena to appeal to MORE fans so, just for fun, lets give him a submission move so we can say he's all-around technical wrestler. BULLSHT! Us wrestling fans, us TRUE wrestling fans know the difference and John Cena ISN'T a wrestler. He's an entertainer and a shtty one at that. The Rock, HHH, and Austin all had the total package, they knew how to conduct themselves on the mic both in the ring and out, their promos were funnier and more entertaining to watch, even if they were heels, they knew how to cater to the crowd right and draw heat from them, the Rock especially was amazing as a heel.

And DON'T TRY TO GIVE ME THAT SHT LIKE YOU WEREN'T ON THE ROCK-AUSTIN-HHH bandwagon at that time. AT 97 going on the 98, it was IMPOSSIBLE for you to not be on the Austin bandwagon, the guy was pushed like he was FN satan of the WWF. In 98 going on to the 99, it was impossible for you to not be a fan of the Rock. The guy gave hilarious promos as a heel. The guy won over fans as a heel for christs sake, not many wrestlers can pull that off with the exception of Christian Cage and Steve Austin but thats beside my point.

Wrestling fans have legit heat with John Cena because he's supposed to embody what wrestling fans look for, the total package wrestler. John Cena doesn't have it. He's just an entertainer at best but most definitely NOT a wrestler. And don't give me that classic match against HBK and Orton crap, thats 2 matches out of an entire 4 year CAREER. I have been watching this nub since his debut against Kurt Angle on Smackdown, he's fcking GARBAGE! GARBAGE!! If I had to count how many Cena matches I enjoyed watching, I'd have to say 4 matches. The HBK-Cena match on Raw last year, Cena-Orton match (only because I love Orton), Cena-Chris Jericho-Christian match, and Edge-Cena TLC match at Unforgiven. That's 4 matches out of that entire nubs career that I can say I enjoyed only because I liked the guy he wrestled against.

And for the record, Triple H really hasn't had a title reign for 3 years now. I thought he had paid his dues already and had been owed another title run. The guy injured his other quad for gods sake, please, give him another title run. He bends over backwards for the WWE, please give him another shot.

 

[evdogg311]

Alright, now I didn't actually see the pay per view in it's entirety yet.. but what I've seen, I was really impressed by. I've seen a lot of complaints so far just scanning through this thread. The two matches I've watched so far were the WWE title match, and the Rumble match itself.

Personally, growing up, I loved the Royal Rumble. And to this day, it's still my favorite [and only remaining classic/gimmick pay per view.] Every year as a kid, I saved $40 of my Christmas money just to get the rumble. Of course over the last few years, I stopped getting pay per views altogether for various reasons. And this year, was no exception. The "stacked" rumble match didn't seem to do much for me, and RKO vs. the Rainbow Haired Warrior didn't seem enough reason to shell out the dough so to speak. But I did manage to catch those two matches none the less, and must say again, I was impressed.

The Rumble itself: It was cool to see last years finalists at the opening bell.. HBK and 'Taker survived a long time, and the '96-esque way HBK kicked the Taker out was classic. Maybe it'll set up a feud for later to, who knows. Kennedy, ever the opportunist, who is probably my most favorite up and comer at the moment, took advantage and dumped HBK out right behind the Dead Man. Always great to see a few legends like Snuka and Piper, even if Piper has packed on a gut or two. The final 5 was definitely stacked and left everyone wondering "who could possibly win?" Of course, the big shock of the match was Cena's unannounced return. And even I was shocked when I read about it.. I had to scroll back up. And I am by no means a big fan of his work, unless of course we're talking about his early heel run.

the WWE title match: RKO, finally has his run, and I am title of people complaining about how boring he his. He's the best heel on raw, and probably Smackdown too.. He's dominating right now, and has every right to be. And a great big f'ing kudos to Jeff Hardy. He had a solid match, and I had I not read the results before I actually watched the match, I would've been convinced he was actually about to win. Just needs some more mic practice, and he'll be the next HBK for sure. The RKO out of nowhere was beautiful. If they didn't practice that for hours before hand, then these two are well on their way.

My only complaint about these two matches was, why did Vince miss such a golden opportunity to make Cena heel? I mean, I can't speak for everyone, but if you didn't hear the "Cena sucks" chants, and the boos, as blatantly as I did.. You might want to get your hearing checked.

 

[HLOTN]

"Wrestling fans have legit heat with John Cena because he's supposed to embody what wrestling fans look for, the total package wrestler. John Cena doesn't have it. He's just an entertainer at best but most definitely NOT a wrestler. And don't give me that classic match against HBK and Orton crap, thats 2 matches out of an entire 4 year CAREER. I have been watching this nub since his debut against Kurt Angle on Smackdown, he's fcking GARBAGE! GARBAGE!! If I had to count how many Cena matches I enjoyed watching, I'd have to say 4 matches. The HBK-Cena match on Raw last year, Cena-Orton match (only because I love Orton), Cena-Chris Jericho-Christian match, and Edge-Cena TLC match at Unforgiven. That's 4 matches out of that entire nubs career that I can say I enjoyed only because I liked the guy he wrestled against."

I agree with you about cutting Trips some slack, but I disagree with you on Cena. He's improved vastly since when he first jumped into the main event scene a few years back. I don't believe he's had a "classic" match to date, but his matches are consistently good. His formula works. I would list all of the matches that are of decent quality, but I really can't be bothered. I'm a true wrestling fan, and know enough about the sport to know sometimes we have to accept that the better wrestlers aren't necessarily going to be the stars in WWE. Cena's done a fair job, given the heat he has with the IWC (though I find things are improving for him on other boards). He's over, sells tons of merch, works hard, causes controversay and is a good face for the company to run with. He's quite the role model for children, too (hence the reason they all love him like a God).