Round Two: Trunks vs. Dumbledore

Who wins?

  • Trunks

  • Dumbledore


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I just want to know the capabilities.

The 'my guy wins because of theory I made up' stuff is a bit tiresome, and goes both ways. You could just as well argue that Dumbledore, because of all that love, is going to restrict himself to non-lethal means and handicap himself. Or you could argue that they wouldn't fight at all because what would be the point? It's endless.

I'm interested in knowing what happens if the characters try to kill one another - and if one can move at lightspeed as has been suggested in this thread it's a regrettably foregone conclusion.
 
I just want to know the capabilities.

The 'my guy wins because of theory I made up' stuff is a bit tiresome, and goes both ways. You could just as well argue that Dumbledore, because of all that love, is going to restrict himself to non-lethal means and handicap himself. Or you could argue that they wouldn't fight at all because what would be the point? It's endless.

I'm interested in knowing what happens if the characters try to kill one another - and if one can move at lightspeed as has been suggested in this thread it's a regrettably foregone conclusion.
They both can move at what can be considered light speed. Trunks and others in the DBZ universe have Instant Transmission while Dumbledore and others in the H.P. universe can apparate. Both abilities get you from point A to point B in the blink of an eye.

If they absolutely had to kill each other Dumbledore would take this. All of Trunks' death blows take time to charge up and while it could be argued he could beat Dumbledore to death he wouldn't let Trunks get close enough to try by using the Petrificus Totalus spell and freezing him where he stands. Then all he has to do is use the killing curse and Trunks is dead.
 
I just want to know the capabilities.

The 'my guy wins because of theory I made up' stuff is a bit tiresome, and goes both ways. You could just as well argue that Dumbledore, because of all that love, is going to restrict himself to non-lethal means and handicap himself. Or you could argue that they wouldn't fight at all because what would be the point? It's endless.

I'm interested in knowing what happens if the characters try to kill one another - and if one can move at lightspeed as has been suggested in this thread it's a regrettably foregone conclusion.

I didn't make up any theories. I used logic from the manga and anime to back up my claims.

Trunks' abilities are vast. He is a half Saiyan/half human hybrid. Think of him like you would Blade. He has all of a Saiyans abilities and none of their weaknesses(being lust for battle). Trunks, through his heritage was born very gifted. Although the type of power that Trunks came by naturally can be earned through rigorous training(see Goku, Vegeta, and practically everyone in DB), he trained himself to become even stronger. He has super strength(Goku, in his normal form in Z was at 40 tons. Trunks, I'd put at 25-30), super speed(not just linear moving speed, but omni directional speed), durability bordering on invincibility(guns, bombs, missles, even war ships, tanks, etc have been shown to do nothing but piss them off), and his stamina is directly linked to his energy supply(if he were to use all of his power in an attack he'd be helpless. He'd probably die). He can fly, is a great martial artist, and can produce energy attacks of varying degrees of power. These people suggest that he'd need to charge an attack to kill Dumbledore, however, Z Fighters at Trunks' level are capable of very powerful energy attacks with little to no charge time(I can show proof if you need it). Also, Dumbledore is still a regular human underneath his magic and his durability and physical strength would be comparable to one(I can show what Z Fighters do to normal people too if you need it). They can also sense life force/energy and deflect energy attacks.

Now, having said all of that, Trunks can also become a Super Saiyan. That raises all of his abilities by 50 times. Don't stop there, he can also reach Super Saiyan 2. That raises his already raised abilities by 2 times. Meaning he can become 100 times stronger than he normally is. Z Fighters have been known to move so fast that even their own super powered allies can't trace their movements. As I've said, there is proof of Z Fighters surviving in space unaided, however, nothing in the manga or anime has directly said that this is an ability. So I can't definitely say that Trunks could do so. As seen in my videos and other's video, Trunks can completely withstand and even deflect attacks powerful enough to destroy the planet.

Their naive assessment on Trunks monologing is somewhat true. Z Fighters talk a lot, however, Trunks has also been known to not play around and get the job done(I can provide evidence of this as well). Also, they're right in saying that Trunks wouldn't intentionally kill bystanders, but he definitely wouldn't mind fighting Dumbledore, to his fullest, in front of them. So if they were to fight, all of these spells, curses, and charms that Dumbledore would use, he would first have to hit Trunks with. Now, if Dumbledore can cast these attacks in, let's say a millisecond, he very well could beat Trunks. Assuming that they are hax abilities that work the same on any and everything and if that's the case, neither of these characters belong in tournaments like these to tell you the truth. Trunks has even faced and defeated a wizard in his universe. A wizard that Dumbledore supporters(really Trunks/DB haters) would say is weak and a fool. I've already posted what that wizard can and has done.(I'll show you a video if you need it.) Dumbledore, on the other hand, has never faced anyone like Trunks.

Unfortunately for my beloved Z Fighter, he is a good guy at heart and if this were a random encounter, he would not outright attack Dumbledore(a very strong argument could be made that this applies to Dumbledore too). If one went strictly by abilities and feats, however, Trunks would win.
 
Thankyou for more or less answering the question.

Dumbledore wins. The way he's being interpreted here, he has an almost unblockable, everything killing beam that can be activated at the speed of thought. Unless someone can strike before he has a chance to use magic, it's hard to contrive a scenario in which he loses.
 
Exactly. Even a fan like myself should be able to admit when their guy is at a disadvantage. Trunks will not be at full power with a blast charged, ready to destroy a nice old wizard when the bell rings. Plus Dumbledore will already have thought a few moves ahead by the time Trunks both decides he is a threat & powers up. Dumbledore is smarter & has attacks that will freeze or KO our glowing friend much faster than some may want to admit.
 
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This is Babidi, the wizard from DBZ, killing someone with his magic with but a thought. The Z Fighters, though, were too powerful for techniques such as this to work on them. Now I know that magic in the Potterverse is different than from DBZ. All I'm saying is that there is evidence of magic not working on the Z Fighters.

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While this video shows how powerful and durable Trunks is(even more so now), what I really wanted to show was Trunks' speed. When Frieza blows up the energy ball, not only does Trunks out run the explosion, but he ends up on a plateau a good ways away and he did it without Frieza or anyone seeing him. BTW, this was before instantaneous movement, which Trunks' can't use. This was all his movement speed. Not teleportation.

I concede that given Dumbledore's benevolent nature, Trunks would hesitate to fight him, but again, he's not just going to stand there and let Dumbledore hit him with something and how will Dumbledore think a few moves ahead in this battle when he has no idea whatsoever of what Trunks is or is capable of?

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This answers the question of charging up to fire a powerful blast. Vegeta in the first saga of DBZ destroys a planet with an energy attack without charging. So they can fire very powerful energy attacks very very fast. Watch Spidey's video. It shows Trunks killing each android with an energy attack without charging. So he wouldn't need to charge up to fire one sufficient enough to kill or KO Dumbledore.

I just think some of you DB fans know this stuff and are intentionally selling Trunks short.

The only way Dumbledore would win is given the scenario that Trunks wouldn't perceive him as a threat and therefore wouldn't attack right off.
 
It's kind of a moot point. Trunks only killed people who were inherently evil (Frieza, Androids etc) he'd reluctantly fight Dumbledore but he wouldn't kill him or anything.

Dumbledore is a badass wizard and is the only person Voldemort feared but he never killed anyone. Even when he won the Eldar Wand from Grindewald he didn't kill him.

Honestly each competitor has enough techniques to incapacitate the other, but they'd also know how to counter. Honestly I see this as a draw to be honest.
 
One very important point that Dumbledore defeated Grindewald when Grindewald was at his peak of his power and he also has Elder wand , so it was nearly impossible to defeat him but still Dumbledore defeated him with his skills with an ordinary wand.
 
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