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Quran Burning in Florida.

Two things about this:

1) If this story hadn't been as well publicised by the media (and especially if the President hadn't given his two cents) then no lives would be endangered. It would have remained a local news story.

2) If I was a Muslim, I would be more pissed off that innocent fellow Muslims were (and, as far as I'm aware, still are) being systematically tortured by the government of the US rather than some prick in a small church making a silly little gesture. Slight bit of hypocrisy, no?
 
So apparently our good pastor has said that he will cancel his book burning... if the Muslim centre in New York is moved

Is he a frustrated civil engineer?

Religion meets zoning rights.
 
And the Bible is what the Christians believe is the word of God, and Muslims burn them all the time. The bible is the cornerstone and foundation of Christianity it plays the exact same role as the Quran, yet Christians have started no wars.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind
 
An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind

While a simplistic summing up, this is essentially correct.

Americans pride themselves in being the guiding light for the 'civilised world' and stooping to the level of book burning is just sad. Even worse if your argument is that 'they started it first' or 'this is the language they understand'
 
Барбоса;2413437 said:
I hope this is a typo or sarcasm...

Nope, simply something you people keep taking out of context. I was referring to Modern Christians not starting wars over Bibles being burnt, like people think Muslims will do with this guy and the Quran. This shit happens the Christians all the time, its rarely publicized, this doesnt even happen and becomes a huge story, which prompts more anger than ever would have happened in the first place.

If you read all of my posts and counterarguments along with theirs up to that point the context I used becomes clear.
 
Okay before it gets out of hand, I did not want this to turn Anti Christian, or Anti Muslim. Rather the acts of one man, may put the lives of thousands in jeopardy.

You brought up South Park earlier, perfect example. They had every right to show the Muslim prophet in their episode. Every right. But they censored him anyway. For the first time SOUTH PARK censored something out. Hell his very NAME was censored in the second part. There is no copy of that episode uncensored. Or how about Dr.Laura, or anyone else who went on a "******, ******, ******" rant. Freedom of speech? yes. But were they punished for it? Damn right they were. Just because you have the freedom to do something, does not mean it's socially acceptable.

No it doesnt mean that, but they are protected in doing so.

Rights are a made up thing, they're an idea.

Wow...

Where do rights come from? People say from God. Well how does that apply in today's culture? The bill of rights has been amended 17 times since it's "Creation" So who knows, one day it may be amended again to say something about this being bad.

Have you ever read the entire bill of rights? I doubt it. The Declaration of Independence makes clear our rights come from God, not government and the government has no right to take them away. The entire point of the constitution is to restrict government, not say people are given rights by them. There are specific powers stated in the constitution that the government has and then it states those powers not given to the government by to constitution are left up to the individual states and the people.

We have been given the ability to amend the constitution by our founders but ALSO get rid of the new amendment, you ill notice this with the prohibition amendment. Youll notice its still there, simply because Thomas Jefferson though that we need to see our history to learn from our mistakes.

The government is not stated to be able to give us rights because once the government thinks they can give you rights the same applies to taking them away, thus why our founders said our rights are given to us by god and the government can not abridge those. We can believe whatever we want and practice those beliefs, be you atheist or Born Again Christian. We have the right to say things or to our freedom of expression even if it angers people.

If we say we cant do certain things it leads to a slippery slope that eventually ends at defying the constitution and repealing of the amendments in the name "public saftey". And this is something that should not be allowed.

You speak of rights, well if the "rights of Americans" are so indefinite, then what about the Japanese-American's in 1942? Where were their rights? The government took them away as they saw fit. No lawyer, no trial, nothing. So what makes this one man so important?

Youre confusing things, THEY WERE WRONG doing that to the Japanese just as Lincoln was wrong when he suspended Magna Carta. These people broke the constitution and broke the law doing these things, they were wrong, not the constitution or our idea of rights. This would be akin to saying that if the Pope is wrong that Christianity is proven invalid, which is obviously untrue.

There is no "Rights" they are PRIVILEGES. A right can not be taken away, only a privilege can.

Maybe in your country, but not in America, our founders fought and died fighting against those whom believed what you do. There is a reason they stated we have inalienable rights in the Declaration of Independence, because that is how they wanted our nation to operate, to not be abridged by government, and to live in freedom without persecution for their beliefs by a government which didnt agree with them or their expression.

Separation of state is not just to protect state from religion but religion from state.

THAT'S why this man should be stopped. He's abusing his privileges, and should be taken away.

They are rights, and as our nation's very foundation states they dont come from the government but from God, and thus can not be taken away.
 
Барбоса;2413513 said:
I'd say that there are millions of Christians out there who would go to war over a book burning.

Luckily few of them are actually in positions of power

And I would say youre wrong because it happens all the time and yet Christians have yet to start a war over it.
 
If there was as much media attention with those Bible burnings as there has been with this idiot in Florida, the entire Bible belt in America would be up in arms.

It gets the attention because 'western civilisation' is supposed to be more civilised and having it sink to such a level as to burn a sacred text purely for shock value and incitement is a ridiculous.

Both sides are guilty of lumping everyone together. All Muslims are terrorists and all Americans are insensitive, hypocritical racists
 
No it doesnt mean that, but they are protected in doing so.
Protected by who though? Who is standing up for this guy? No one. Even the Christian community is turning against him. Some are doubting if he actually is a Pastor.

Have you ever read the entire bill of rights? I doubt it. The Declaration of Independence makes clear our rights come from God, not government and the government has no right to take them away. The entire point of the constitution is to restrict government, not say people are given rights by them. There are specific powers stated in the constitution that the government has and then it states those powers not given to the government by to constitution are left up to the individual states and the people.
So what about the people who do not believe in "God" and think there isn't one? Are they supposed to just think that someone said God said it, and wrote it down? Therefor, man made. Anything man made can be destroyed. It may SAY they can not be taken away, but they have been. If they have been once, they can be again.

The government is not stated to be able to give us rights because once the government thinks they can give you rights the same applies to taking them away, thus why our founders said our rights are given to us by god and the government can not abridge those. We can believe whatever we want and practice those beliefs, be you atheist or Born Again Christian. We have the right to say things or to our freedom of expression even if it angers people.
Which is exactly the thing the Muslims at the Mosques around the US that are being attacked can say, yet some people say those Muslims don't have the same rights because this is "A Christian Nation"

If we say we cant do certain things it leads to a slippery slope that eventually ends at defying the constitution and repealing of the amendments in the name "public saftey". And this is something that should not be allowed.
Slavery was not in the constitution, are you saying it's okay? No, of course not. That is something we are told is "not allowed".

Youre confusing things, THEY WERE WRONG doing that to the Japanese just as Lincoln was wrong when he suspended Magna Carta. These people broke the constitution and broke the law doing these things, they were wrong, not the constitution or our idea of rights. This would be akin to saying that if the Pope is wrong that Christianity is proven invalid, which is obviously untrue.
Yes, they were wrong, but history has a way of repeating it's self. If something is not done BY the government about this Christian vs Muslim issue within the country, bad things are going to happen. This is one of those times the gov SHOULD step in.

I know you are bias in this issue, as you have obvious ties to the Christian religion. I understand that, and applaud your standing by your beliefs as well. I do not have ties to any faith. My parents sent me to Sunday School when I was little, and I didn't agree with some of the things I was being told. Such as saying that Dinosaurs didn't exist, and were a myth. Or that we are the only life in the universe, because God made us, and all life is with this planet. So I didn't go back. I have no ties, so I'm not bias to either side. YES there is issues within the Muslim people. A lot of things done are questionable, but the same goes for the Christian people as well. Hell, it applies to all religions. My main point though was that this one man, acting on what he feels is the right thing to do, and he's within his rights to do, is going to cause a LOT of unnecessary violence to OTHER innocent American civilians, as well as troops. The man running the Afghan war is saying don't do it! Troops over there are saying don't do it.
 

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No there was no deal, that guy was talking out his ass. I'm watching the thing on it. Even Jesse Jackson is saying this guy is nuts. He has not said if he will or not, but earlier he said he won't do it only if the mosque is moved. Well it won't be, so I guess he's going to do the burning.
 
Er, the mosque that doesnt exist yet?

I wonder if people realzie there is a mosque in the pentagon about 20 yards away from were the plane crashed into it? People seem to get on with life just fine in that place.

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