Quran Burning in Florida.

[Hazardous]

South Park had the right to show the image of the Prophet on the episode, and it was censored yet, but who says it has to be government taking the rights away for it to count?

If Matt Stone and Trey Parker sued Comedy Central, for taking their freedom of speech away. Would it not be the same as someone suing the Gov for taking away a right?

So? These have nothing to do with how things are run today, as both were ruled unconstitutional.

But they DO. They have lots to do with it. Yes, they were ruled unconstitutional, but what repocussions came from it? and do you really think it will be the last time it happens? I don't. It's been said a few times in here now, people are ******ed. It's true, especially with government bodies. I am not saying I like it, or that it should happen, but it does, and it will again. Nothing can be done about that one. Would I like this guys silenced? Hell yeah! I would rather one man lose his right to do whatever he wants, then thousands lose their lives. Is that so wrong? Are thousands of lives less important then one man's right to do this act?

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

South Park had the right to show the image of the Prophet on the episode, and it was censored yet, but who says it has to be government taking the rights away for it to count?

If Matt Stone and Trey Parker sued Comedy Central, for taking their freedom of speech away. Would it not be the same as someone suing the Gov for taking away a right?

You have SERIOUSLY missed the point of what the constitution actually is. You should read the first sentence of the first amendment and come back to me and tell ME what's wrong with your argument, because I think it'll clarify my point better than any words I can use to explain it to you.

But they DO. They have lots to do with it. Yes, they were ruled unconstitutional, but what repocussions came from it? and do you really think it will be the last time it happens? I don't

What, and you agree with things like this happening again?

It's been said a few times in here now, people are ******ed. It's true, especially with government bodies. I am not saying I like it, or that it should happen, but it does, and it will again. Nothing can be done about that one. Would I like this guys silenced? Hell yeah! I would rather one man lose his right to do whatever he wants, then thousands lose their lives. Is that so wrong? Are thousands of lives less important then one man's right to do this act?

Er, I think you're attacking this from the wrong front. Who is going to be losing their lives? Who are the people trying to TAKE these lives? I think we should be after the people who are unlawfully trying to take the lives of the people taking advantage of their first amendment, rather than the guy who isn't actually doing anything illegal.

What, do you think the people who planned on bringing guns and blowing up the church tomorrow were simply his consequence for doing something... completely legal?

Look, I'm not trying to defend the guy. I didn't agree with the people protesting the Mosque either. I'm not about to sit here and be afraid of some lunatics who walk around with bombs strapped to their chests like some sort of comic book villain/religious vigilante when the entire foundation of our country is backing this guy's right to say whatever the fuck he wants to say without any repercussions.

 

[Hazardous]

Again I say though.. Just because you have the RIGHT to do something, does that mean you should not use some common sense, and do whatever you want regardless of who may get hurt from it? There have been Anti-America ralleys starting up all over the world due to this one thing. Some of them are in places where the hate between the 2 groups (Christian/Muslim) had not been violent in a while now. There are Christian groups trying to bridge the gap between the 2 groups, and I fully support those people too. Really I don't think the actual act of burning it is as bad as the REASON for burning it. Because it's evil and wrong? Is the very amendment he is saying he has the right to, not the one he is trying to take away from someone else?

Freedom of religion, speech, the press, assembly, and petition.

Freedom of religion. Well if these are rights, set in stone, can not be taken away.. Then why is he able to do this, and condemn them for their religion? To say HIS is the right religion, and THEIRS is evil, and wrong. Even though they are basically the exact same thing. Different words, to the same beat.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

Again I say though.. Just because you have the RIGHT to do something, does that mean you should not use some common sense, and do whatever you want regardless of who may get hurt from it? There have been Anti-America ralleys starting up all over the world due to this one thing. Some of them are in places where the hate between the 2 groups (Christian/Muslim) had not been violent in a while now. There are Christian groups trying to bridge the gap between the 2 groups, and I fully support those people too. Really I don't think the actual act of burning it is as bad as the REASON for burning it. Because it's evil and wrong? Is the very amendment he is saying he has the right to, not the one he is trying to take away from someone else?

Wanna show me the portion of the first amendment that guarantees freedom of speech and religion as long as you use common sense? Maybe I just skipped over it for 10 years, from when I started learning about the Constitution in school, because I certainly don't remember guaranteed rights as long as common sense is involved. I'm not sitting here denying this dude's idiocy and bigotry.

He's a racist hick and doing the opposite of what the Bible's teachings say, but let's just back up for a second and look at the big picture here.

He's burning a book. Paper and ink. Who the fuck cares? Sure, it may offend some people, but at the end of the day, he burned a book. And burning a book out of racism and bigotry is better than burning a person out of racism and bigotry.

Freedom of religion. Well if these are rights, set in stone, can not be taken away.. Then why is he able to do this, and condemn them for their religion? To say HIS is the right religion, and THEIRS is evil, and wrong. Even though they are basically the exact same thing. Different words, to the same beat.

Who is taking away the Muslims' freedom of religion? You clearly have no idea what freedom is, or what the constitution entails.

The constitution states that the GOVERNMENT will not take away freedom of speech, religion, or press. How is this not clicking in your head? This guy can do whatever the fuck he wants with the Koran, as long as he bought it with his own money, and it's done on his own land, and there's not a goddamn thing the government can do to stop him, unless he was on public property, inciting a riot. Which he wasn't.

 

[Hazardous]

He's burning a book. Paper and ink. Who the fuck cares? Sure, it may offend some people, but at the end of the day, he burned a book. And burning a book out of racism and bigotry is better than burning a person out of racism and bigotry.

But the thing is WHY is he burning the book. It's more then the fact that he's doing it, more so the reason for doing it. The reason is an attack on the muslim faith. He views them as evil, and wrong in their faith. Is that not an attack on their religion?

Who is taking away the Muslims' freedom of religion? You clearly have no idea what freedom is, or what the constitution entails.

You're right, I don't. But I would like to believe that the "freedom to religion" entitles them to practice their religion without people burning their place of worship down, or their holy books, as an attack on that very faith. It's more then the actions being done, it's the reasoning behind these attacks. They want the Muslims gone. They don't want them there.

The constitution states that the GOVERNMENT will not take away freedom of speech, religion, or press. How is this not clicking in your head? This guy can do whatever the fuck he wants with the Koran, as long as he bought it with his own money, and it's done on his own land, and there's not a goddamn thing the government can do to stop him, unless he was on public property, inciting a riot. Which he wasn't.

Well that's yet to be seen. I think I herd that he wanted to do it at the church, with his 30 followers. It very well could start a riot, but I'm sure he would just say "See, they are violent people"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Muslim supporter. Nor am I a Christian supporter/Follower. I just think that if we have to deal with new churches going up all the time, and being told that we Have to be Christians, or we're not going to be whole in life, and all that crap. Yet we accept it. Then they should be doing the same with any other religion. Especially one who shares a LOT of the same messages. I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between the Bible, and the Quran. Not a lot at all. I'm not a fan of religion, and this is the exact reason why. Too much pointless violence, and death come as a result of it. But if one is socially accepted as "Right" then they all should be.

 

[Via Armbar]

Are we seriously arguing over something as stupid as the constitution?

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

Religion, LOL.

I lol'd

Yep.

Are we seriously arguing over something as stupid as the constitution?

Yep.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

But the thing is WHY is he burning the book. It's more then the fact that he's doing it, more so the reason for doing it. The reason is an attack on the muslim faith. He views them as evil, and wrong in their faith. Is that not an attack on their religion?

It most certainly is an attack on their religion, but their best bet right now is to not act like a bunch of barbarians and take it. The Muslims need to not be bombing churches in the middle of the Bible Belt, USA. THAT'S the real crime.

You're right, I don't. But I would like to believe that the "freedom to religion" entitles them to practice their religion without people burning their place of worship down, or their holy books, as an attack on that very faith. It's more then the actions being done, it's the reasoning behind these attacks. They want the Muslims gone. They don't want them there.

And they certainly have a right to express their opinion. Granted, the Muslims aren't going anywhere, so the guy can scream about it until his face is blue, but the Muslims aren't going anywhere, and this man has no power that allows him to make them go away.

Well that's yet to be seen. I think I herd that he wanted to do it at the church, with his 30 followers. It very well could start a riot, but I'm sure he would just say "See, they are violent people"

Of course that's what he's doing, and the Muslims need to not fall for it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Muslim supporter. Nor am I a Christian supporter/Follower. I just think that if we have to deal with new churches going up all the time, and being told that we Have to be Christians, or we're not going to be whole in life, and all that crap.

No one said you HAVE to be a Christian, except for preachers who have no legal power over you.

Yet we accept it. Then they should be doing the same with any other religion. Especially one who shares a LOT of the same messages. I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between the Bible, and the Quran. Not a lot at all. I'm not a fan of religion, and this is the exact reason why. Too much pointless violence, and death come as a result of it. But if one is socially accepted as "Right" then they all should be.

Yeah, I'm willing to guess you haven't read the Qur'an then.

 

[Hazardous]

Yeah, I'm willing to guess you haven't read the Qur'an then.

Actually I'm reading it right now

 

[Smartie]

I'm sorry but the motherfuckers who came up with this idea ( buring Quran) don't have any idea about religion and God and anyone who follows them is a worthless human being.

 

[Moon Knight]

This whole situation from all sides is why I am a proud agnostic. Both sides attack each other, you're all fucking nuts. Is NOT killing each other and being tolerant so hard?

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

This whole situation from all sides is why I am a proud agnostic. Both sides attack each other, you're all fucking nuts. Is NOT killing each other and being tolerant so hard?

Apparently it is.

 

[The_Misson]

Well I am proudly a Christian but i have to agree that what has been going around with the Quran burning and all that is just flat out hypocritical on the be half of these christians. It's honestly like they've never once read the bible. I am ashamed on there be half and hope some day they realize there doing exacly what there blamming the muslims for doing and realize there shear stupidity. Just want to go up to some of them slap them and say "HEY!!!! NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST ******!!!"

 

[Slyfox696]

Meh, let him burn the damn book. What's the big deal, it's a fucking book. If people get offended, that's their problem.

Burn a Bible, burn the Torah, burn the Quran...they're just books. Some people need to step back and see there are far more important things in a world than a book which was mass produced at some printing press.

People today make me sick, you and you "The constitution is old and we've outgrown it" or "its a living breathing document" arguments. You people dont know shit about history or the constitution and its really sad.

I know plenty about the history of the Constitution, and I know there are two main arguments regarding how the Constitution should be viewed, and the living breathing document is one of them. Please tell me what's wrong with that argument?


I wish I hadn't missed this argument, this would have been fun.

 

[Dr. Stinger A. Zoidberg]

I read today that he cancelled his plans to do it, and is now on a plane to NYC.

 

[Slyfox696]

I read today that he cancelled his plans to do it, and is now on a plane to NYC.

What a coward.

 

[Goliath Uterus]

My friend once burned this one girls family bible, it was funny.

 

[Hazardous]

I wish I hadn't missed this argument, this would have been fun.

Actually Sly, I was hoping you would have came in earlier too. I was glad Fury did, as someone to support the one side. NorCal as well, to provide another Military point of view on it. But I know you are regarded as one of the more educated people on here.

 

[Goliath Uterus]

He's one educated *****

 

[Slyfox696]

He's one educated *****

Fo shizzle dizzle.



Do people still say that, or am I the only one keeping it in style?

 

[Goliath Uterus]

I say it all the time fo shizzle my nizzle. Snoop Dogg as well.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

That would have been sigable had Norcal not threatened to ban me today.

 

[Slyfox696]

I say all the time fo shizzle my nizzle. Snoop Dogg as well.

Oh. Then I take it back. I'd rather sound educated.

 

[Goliath Uterus]

Dizzle

 

[Hazardous]

Word.

Don't see that one used much anymore either come to think of it