Um, that wasn't the best picture. Here's why this is a really dull argument for me; Magneto has been stopped by the strategy of using metal that's non-magnetic before, and even the most glowing interpretations of his powers will admit that if he manipulates non-ferrous metals then it's a strenuous task. Can we just rename him "Metallo" or some shit, because obviously we're all supposed to act like there's no science to magnetism anymore.
He's a comic book character, of course the science behind his powers is going to be dumb as shit. Let's talk about how Iron Man can be crushed by a billion tons and still be fine, or how Wolverine withstands a nuclear warhead detonating on top of him.
I never made the argument that Magneto would stand there and let anything happen, I made the argument that Geralt doesn't take nearly as much time to enact his strategies.
Where did you get the idea that it takes Magneto any time at all to enact his strategies? Controlling metal for him is like breathing for us.
#1: Stabbing Geralt in the back with a floating steel sword isn't happening. You see, Geralt can actually move his body and sense his surroundings. Magneto would be foolish to waste his concentration on trying to poke Geralt with a floating sword.
So while he's bumrushing Magneto, he'd be able to turn around, have a sword fight with a floating sword, continue running full speed at Magneto, and then turn around and slice him?
Okay.
#2: Why in the fuck would Magneto choose to fly away from Geralt?
Because Geralt won't be able to hurt him when he takes to the skies. Why wouldn't he fly away from Geralt?
#3: If Magneto charged at Geralt, he would be skewered by Geralt's silver sword and spend his last seconds of life wondering why he did that.
How? His magnetic armor would be impossible for Geralt to penetrate with a silver sword.
#4: Magneto would... kill gravity with magnetism?
GRAVITY AND MAGNETISM ARE NOT THE SAME THING!
No, they're not. But Magneto can control it all the same, and does so in an edition of New Mutants.
Stop trying to apply science to something that is completely and total fiction.
Also; no Krakoa. Your rules, not mine.
Uh, it's the stage. Are you choosing to willfully ignore the stage as well as the reality of Magneto's powers?
Way ahead of you in terms of shitting myself when you brought up the gravity argument.
Magneto can't do fifty things at one time simultaneously in the blink of an eye, and he shouldn't be called "Magneto" if he's just a fucking matter manipulator.
He manipulates matter by interacting with the electromagnetic spectrum, so that's kosher.
And you're right, he can't do fifty things simultaneously. All he needs to do is at most two things at once, four things total, and in no particular order: put up magnetic armor, fly, control the metal Geralt brings to the battle/anything nearby, and throw up a force field if need be. We know he can fly and do any of these other things at the same time.
Geralt can cast extreme heat with his Igni sign, and magnetism is dulled by heat. That was my argument earlier, please respond. Nobody gives a fuck about Namor.
I didn't see you make this argument to me, so that's why I didn't respond to it.
You're being very generous with the amount of heat that Igni creates. In the games it lights people on fire for a few seconds before fizzling out. And after it fizzles out, Geralt's attackers are no worse for wear, minus a bit of HP. That's not to mention that when Geralt casts it, he leaves himself completely vulnerable. What's stopping Magneto from attacking Geralt when he starts to throw the sign up?
Answer: Quen. But Geralt would have already cast Quen as soon as the battle started, and it takes him several seconds before he can cast a spell again. During this time, Magneto would already be attacking him, and likely breaking the Quen. If Quen is down when Geralt tries to cast Igni, he'll just have his throat slit by any shard of metal Magneto can find. Maybe he gets the Igni off and Magneto is on fire for a few seconds, but as soon as the fire puts itself out, he'll see Geralt twitching on the ground as the blood drips from his neck, and know that he won despite some minor burns.
Yeah, and Geralt is going to be casually moving two feet to the side to avoid things being tossed at him that are too big for his Quen sign to absorb. Magneto would still be hindered by his perspective from way up there, and Geralt would be wondering what in the fuck Magneto is trying to do while taking the time to make every possible preparation for when that chicken-shit finally does come down.
This is such a dumb argument. There's a hundred and one ways Magneto could use metal from up in the sky to kill Geralt. He can break it into thousands, or even millions of razor sharp pieces and just keep pelting Geralt with the swarm until he looks like human Swiss cheese. He could use a car as a hammer and smack Geralt into the ground with it until all of his bones are broken. He could take Geralt's steel sword and bind Geralt's feet together and then drop a satellite on his head.
And calling Magneto a chicken shit for using every advantage he has over Geralt is just demeaning. If Magneto is chicken shit for using his power to avoid being damaged by Geralt, then Geralt is chicken shit for using Quen to avoid being damaged by Magneto.
And honestly; we'll never ever agree on the extent of Magneto's ability to manipulate non-magnetic metals. I'm willing to accept that he has the ability, but that doing so is so strenuous (as is mentioned) that he wouldn't be able to significantly manipulate a silver sword. At this point, it's really up to the readers to decide for themselves.
Indeed. Though I contend that he doesn't even need to manipulate non-ferrous metal to win. I don't even think he needs more than Geralt's steel blade, which he can basically do anything he wants with (he could break it into tiny molecules, shove it up Geralt's nose and have them slice open his brain from the inside if he wanted to (which, side note, would be a dope thing to see in a comic book, right?)). Add to the fact that there's definitely cars nearby (the school is in a big town), satellites in the sky above, and probably plenty of ferrous metal in the school (things like pens, razor blades, kitchen utensils, and perhaps even the school's various modes of transportation), and there's no shortage of ferrous metals that Magneto can choose from.
A few seconds you say? Funny, because that's all the time it would take for Geralt to regenerate the stamina necessary to cast another Quen sign. Also; if they're fighting in the daytime then Geralt is regenerating anyway.
Just imagine a vortex of razor sharp metal that is constantly growing as Magneto pulls more and more metal from the environment into the tornado. Quen breaks, the vortex around Geralt expands as the Quen breaks and pushes everything away, but quickly rebounds into the same powerful vortex of razors.
How many times is Geralt able to cast Quen before he's toast? For my money, it's just that first time, maybe a second. By the time it's broken that second time, there will be tens of thousands of razor sharp blades hacking him all over, and he's going to be too busy dying to cast Quen.
That sounds like a personal problem. I countered the flight argument by suggesting that Magneto wouldn't find reason to fly away initially, and that if he did then he wouldn't be able to do very much.
Except he'd be able to do plenty. He can still manipulate metal while flying, as well as put up his force-field.
And Magneto has a perfectly good reason to fly: Geralt's main form of weaponry is a sword, and if he sees Geralt charging at him with a sword, he's not going to stand on the ground and let himself get hacked up: he's going to fly in the air where Geralt can't reach him.
Huh, that's weird. I always thought that ad hominem was the last bastion of the defeated. To each his own.
Maybe there are two last bastions. Maybe there are more. Point is, it's
a last bastion.
I don't think that Magneto would rather talk than fight, I think that he has a very different idea of what a fight actually is. Geralt is emotionally well adjusted thanks to his mutation and thus he isn't interested in how someone perceives him, while Magneto is a self-absorbed narcissist.
Magneto's not a self-absorbed narcissist, and I don't know what gave you that idea. Dr. Doom is a self-absorbed narcissist. Magneto is a man that has devoted his entire life to protecting his people.
You're not giving Magneto the same respect that I'm giving Geralt.
You know what, fine. I'm not agreeing with what you said, I'm at the acceptance phase where I'm willing to admit that it would be useless to repeat myself.
Word.
Right right right, you think that Magneto is the second coming of Ahura Mazda. I didn't mean that statement toward you.
Naw, he's just super powerful.
Oh, I'm sorry. Did I willfully ignore the first time someone copy and pasted a statement from
this link? That's probably because nobody has done that yet. That same link mentions "although this is often a strenuous task" in regard to manipulating non-ferrous metals. Oh look! I acknowledged that earlier!
Again, you didn't use it in our discussion, and I've been focusing on this.
And again, I'm of the belief that Magneto doesn't need to use non-ferrous metals to win. I mean, Magneto pulls the iron from a dude's blood in X2 and kills a whole bunch of people with it with ease, and that's movie Magneto who is way weaker than the Earth 616 Magneto that is in this tournament. Imagine what a much more powerful Magneto can do with an entire steel sword and a whole world's worth of ferrous metals existing nearby.
There was a time when I was actually leaning towards Geralt, but there's just no way he can account for the metal that will be available to Magneto as well as Magneto's defensive capabilities. This is one of the few fights in his life that Geralt cannot win.
Vote Magneto.
