PWF Answers Wrestling Questions

[Master JM]

Don't forget the unstoppable run of Nathan Jones!

 

[klunderbunker]

Triple-H was an awesome heel. He is still the best heel "World Heavyweight Champion" of WWE's version of WHC. Every eras had many ridiculous storylines. Still RAW was getting ratings in 4s and 5s in 2002-2003 compared to now.

February 5, 1988: WWF Main Event airing live on NBC drew a 15 in the ratings, still by far and away the record for a wrestling show. Not bad for a Friday night.

 

[Con T.]

You do realize WWE was regularly doing 5s before 2002-2003 right?

That's the era that's known for drawing away the casual fan, so if you're going to use ratings for your argument, have fun with that

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Talking about ridiculous storylines what about the debut of the Gobbeldy Gooker at Survivor Series 1990 when he danced in the ring with Mean Gene Okerlund after months of anticipation?

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Or Papa Shango/Ultimate Warrior storyline?

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

In his defense 2002 was one of the best years for the wrestling business as whole if we see what that year created of course. I mean a bunch of future world champs debuted, ROH and TNA were created, The Rock vs. Hogan, we had Bischoff as Raw's GM and c'mon after WCW died who in the blue hell would thought about that? The WHC was created, it was things that made an impact I guess.

 

[Con T.]

In his defense 2002 was one of the best years for the wrestling business as whole if we see what that year created of course.

Not really; WWE actually lost money, based off the losses from The World. They earned a profit of 16 million (?!) while suffering losses of 35 million from losses from The World

And 2002 had Katie Vick. Please tell me there is something worse

 

[Bone For Tuna]

Mae Young gave birth to a hand in '98 or '99 or whenever.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Not really; WWE actually lost money, based off the losses from The World. They earned a profit of 16 million (?!) while suffering losses of 35 million from losses from The World

And 2002 had Katie Vick. Please tell me there is something worse

In 2002 the good outweighs the bads :

Arrival of the nWo in WWE (Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall)

Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock

Innovation of the Brand Extension

Eric Bischoff as Raw General Manager (Greatest RAW GM in WWE history)

Debuts of Multiple Future World Champions (Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista)

Shawn Michaels Returns after 4 years.

Innovation of WWE Tag Team Championships

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

Not really; WWE actually lost money, based off the losses from The World. They earned a profit of 16 million (?!) while suffering losses of 35 million from losses from The World

And 2002 had Katie Vick. Please tell me there is something worse

All years have downsides, and I'm talking about the impact the year had. I still find Hogan vs Rock to be one of my favorite moments at WrestleMania. Randy Orton and John Cena debuted, guys that some years later would main event WrestleMania for themselves. Shawn Michaels returned in that year, Elimination Chamber was also created that year. I mean WCW died that year, while TNA and ROH were created, so tell me how in the hell didn't that made an impact in today's business?

It was a great year in fact.

 

[Con T.]

In 2002 the goood outweighs the bads :

Christ. I hate the bullet point quoting. But fine.

Arrival of the New World Order (Hulk Hogan,Kevin Nash, Scott Hall)

Oh, you mean the nWo that literally lasted one month? Yeah, great stuff.

Innovation of the Brand Extension

You mean the watering down of both tour shows, to the point that years later, it wore the roster thin?

Also, those brand exclusive pay per views? Some of the worst buy rates in history

Eric Bischoff as Raw General Manager (Greatest RAW GM in WWE history)

Which led to some riveting stuff; HLA was great, so was watching him take a bronco buster from Mae Young. Yep, riveting.

Debuts of Multiple Future World Champions (Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista)

95-96 featured the debuts of Steve Austin, The Rock, and Triple H. By your logic, that was a great era, too.

The only person worth a damn during that era was Brock. And he'd be gone soon anyway

Innovation of WWE Tag Team Championships

Oh yay, the meaningless of the two tag title belts, which was totally unnecessary.

You got Rock Hogan and HBK coming back. Woo hoo

 

[Tastycles]

Gotta respect CM Punk for using his real name.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Christ. I hate the bullet point quoting. But fine.



Oh, you mean the nWo that literally lasted one month? Yeah, great stuff.

Quality > Quantity

You mean the watering down of both tour shows, to the point that years later, it wore the roster thin?

Also, those brand exclusive pay per views? Some of the worst buy rates in history

No Way Out 2002: 575,000 (nWo debuted in WWE)
Judgment Day 2002: 373,000
King of the Ring 2002: 320,000
Survivor Series 2002: 340,000
Armageddon 2002: 335,000
Royal Rumble 2003: 585,000
Backlash 2003: 345,000
Bad Blood 2003: 385,000
Vengeance 2003: 365,000
Judgment Day 2003: 315,000
Summerslam 2003: 465,000
Unforgiven 2003: 360,000 (Goldberg vs. HHH main-event)
Survivor Series 2003: 450,000
Survivor Series 2004: 325,000

Those buyrates are pretty good compared to today's PPVs

 

[Tastycles]

The first four on your list and Survivor Series 2004 were interbrand.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

The first four on your list and Survivor Series 2004 were interbrand.

Fair enough, exclude them still better buyrates than today.

 

[Con T.]

Fair enough, exclude them still better buyrates than today.

Your also not giving the full context, in that these numbers were big drop offs from previous years

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

I thought this guy was being a bit unfairly shit on. Then he named Ziggler as the guy out of anybody he would most like to see the WWE championship on.

I got nothin'...

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

Your also not giving the full context, in that these numbers were big drop offs from previous years

Now that it's a pathetic excuse, it doesn't matter if the sells dropped as long as it did sell a lot. It was a good year when everything is said and done, it was a year that brought change so it should be remembered as that.

 

[Con T.]

Now that it's a pathetic excuse, it doesn't matter if the sells dropped as long as it did sell a lot. It was a good year when everything is said and done, it was a year that brought change so it should be remembered as that.

How is it an excuse? It's fact.

Look, I'll even give you the buyrates


Royal Rumble 2001: 625,000
No Way Out 2001: 590,000
Wrestlemania 17: 1,040,000
Backlash 2001: 375,000 (look at the drop for WM17)
Judgment Day 2001: 405,000
King of the Ring 2001: 445,000 (Jericho and Benoit headlining with Austin)
Invasion: 775,000
Summerslam 2001: 565,000
Unforgiven 2001: 350,000
No Mercy 2001: 325,000
Survivor Series 2001: 450,000 (blowoff of the Invasion angle, disappointing number)
Vengeance 2001: 315,000

Royal Rumble 2002: 670,000
No Way Out 2002: 575,000 (nWo debut)
Wrestlemania 18: 840,000
Backlash 2002: 400,000
Judgment Day 2002: 373,000
King of the Ring 2002: 320,000 (probably why they decided to get rid of KOTR?)
Vengeance 2002: 375,000
Summerslam 2002: 520,000
Unforgiven 2002: 300,000
No Mercy 2002: 300,000
Survivor Series 2002: 340,000
Armageddon 2002: 335,000

Rumble 2003: 585,000
No Way Out 2003: 450,000 (Austin return)
Wrestlemania 19: 560,000 (Big disappointment)
Backlash 2003: 345,000 (Goldberg vs. Rock)
Judgment Day 2003: 315,000
Bad Blood 2003: 385,000 (big buyrate shock at the time...Foley helped draw?)
Vengeance 2003: 365,000 (big success at the time)
Summerslam 2003: 465,000
Unforgiven 2003: 360,000 (Goldberg vs. HHH, success at the time)
No Mercy 2003: 275,000
Survivor Series 2003: 450,000 (big success for the time)
Armageddon 2003: 240,000

And you don't see how the drop off is noticeable?

 

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

Why do you hate the Golden Era?WWE had greater business in that era than any other one except Attitude Era.Stars were great.They were truly larger than life.Kids and teens idolized Hulk Hogan.Randy Savage(face),Ultimate Warrior to name a few.Does any kid in this era would want to be like the Miz?Or CM Punk(face)?That's why i like John Cena.He may or may not be an ass in real life but in character is the idol to all.

 

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

Also in your GOAT list,you don't put in Hogan and Austin?They are the greatest two draws in the history of Pro Wrestling in the whole world.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

How is it an excuse? It's fact.

Look, I'll even give you the buyrates


Royal Rumble 2001: 625,000
No Way Out 2001: 590,000
Wrestlemania 17: 1,040,000
Backlash 2001: 375,000 (look at the drop for WM17)
Judgment Day 2001: 405,000
King of the Ring 2001: 445,000 (Jericho and Benoit headlining with Austin)
Invasion: 775,000
Summerslam 2001: 565,000
Unforgiven 2001: 350,000
No Mercy 2001: 325,000
Survivor Series 2001: 450,000 (blowoff of the Invasion angle, disappointing number)
Vengeance 2001: 315,000

Royal Rumble 2002: 670,000
No Way Out 2002: 575,000 (nWo debut)
Wrestlemania 18: 840,000
Backlash 2002: 400,000
Judgment Day 2002: 373,000
King of the Ring 2002: 320,000 (probably why they decided to get rid of KOTR?)
Vengeance 2002: 375,000
Summerslam 2002: 520,000
Unforgiven 2002: 300,000
No Mercy 2002: 300,000
Survivor Series 2002: 340,000
Armageddon 2002: 335,000

Rumble 2003: 585,000
No Way Out 2003: 450,000 (Austin return)
Wrestlemania 19: 560,000 (Big disappointment)
Backlash 2003: 345,000 (Goldberg vs. Rock)
Judgment Day 2003: 315,000
Bad Blood 2003: 385,000 (big buyrate shock at the time...Foley helped draw?)
Vengeance 2003: 365,000 (big success at the time)
Summerslam 2003: 465,000
Unforgiven 2003: 360,000 (Goldberg vs. HHH, success at the time)
No Mercy 2003: 275,000
Survivor Series 2003: 450,000 (big success for the time)
Armageddon 2003: 240,000

And you don't see how the drop off is noticeable?

So if TLC this year has few buys, does that mean that the PPV sucked balls? Numbers does not give you any sort of information about the quality of the year or the impact it had, it does not. You are just using that as an excuse for the fact that you can't beat in a logical way what 2002 really brought that was so awful that people just stopped watching it. I gave you good examples of the product in itself and the reason why those years were important, you gave me numbers and told me that people didn't buy the PPV's so okay.

2004 was a great year, because 2002 and 2003 was a transitional phase, so whenever a year is called that, you can bet your ass that the year was important. Similar examples - 1996/1997 build up a great 1998 and the fantastic 1999 so they are very important and relevant even if WWE's was dying financially at that time.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Why do you hate the Golden Era?WWE had greater business in that era than any other one except Attitude Era.Stars were great.They were truly larger than life.Kids and teens idolized Hulk Hogan.Randy Savage(face),Ultimate Warrior to name a few.Does any kid in this era would want to be like the Miz?Or CM Punk(face)?That's why i like John Cena.He may or may not be an ass in real life but in character is the idol to all.

I don't know ask Nate how good it was.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

If I didn't have to go to an interview now, I would verbally bitchslap the hell out of PWF and The History. They sure do need it but Haiku is handling his business. Do work.

 

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

You didn't answer my question.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Other than Roddy Piper, Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan, Ted Dibiase,Jake Roberts and the tag-teams it was mediocre. NWA/WCW was better.