Push charlie Haas

[LCShazardous]

dude i was watching smackdown and his match with Morrison was good that bridging armbar looked incredibly brutal. why on earth is'nt this guy doing something worth while?

his new look with the jacket thing and the new tights just makes him look cool and for some reason his tenacity in the ring, kinda reminds me of Chris Benoit.

so why is'nt this guy getting a chance put him on ECW, let him do soemthing other than job give him Goldusts position, Goldust's not necessarily jobbing he just happens to loose matches. and change his entrance music it's just too generic

so i ask u do u agree with me here? do u think Haas's career could be salvaged and give him something meaningful to do put him on the IC title path or the ECW title path

what do you people think? your thoughts please gentlemen?

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

I've always loved Charlie Haas. I made a thread about him a few months ago about why he wasn't being pushed and it's a shame that months later, he's still the same. He is one of the greatest wrestlers in the WWE and his mic skills aren't that bad. So, he has most of the factors to be a main eventer, but I think he needs more popularity. I mean, a large percentage of WWE fans probably don't even know who he is, or think that he just debuted. He hardly gets noticed and that's a problem.

Back in June during the 15-man trade, I think that WWE should have put him on ECW and leave Shelton Benjamin on Smackdown. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. So, we will likely be forced to see Charlie Haas on Smackdown losing week in and week out. Come to think of it, he's won only one match since coming to Smackdown, and it was a tag team match where Shelton Benjamin got the pin. Not good!

 

[Mustang Sally]

Another thread addresses the issue of whether WWE is intentionally looking to humiliate Jesse by giving him a degrading role to play. I said that that's not what they're trying to do.

On the other hand, I felt that the whole "Haas Hogan" program they gave to Charlie might well have been an attempt to embarrass him as a prelude to ushering him out of the company. Seeing the way Vince McMahon treated him during that "Million Dollar Giveaway" garbage fortified my view.

Sometimes, I think his WWE career would have ended even earlier if he hadn't been "lucky" enough to catapult Lilian Garcia off the ring apron; inadvertently buying himself a program with Big Daddy V.

Then, to everyone's surprise, I think Haas played the "impersonator" part so well that it caught on with the fans and shocked the hell out of the company. Here, we have a technically superior wrestler who was forced to play a series of clown-like roles......and he did it without complaint and he did it extremely well. That's what I think may have happened.

So, he's still here and I think that's great. Whether or not a push ever comes, let Charlie display his great wrestling ability and make his opponent look good, just as he always does.

He's been here through thick and thin and I hope he stays.

 

[Phenomenal1AJ]

i was watching SD and thought the exact same thing, and knew someone would start a thrad on this. i have always like Haas and thought when they pushed Benjamin they should have done the same for him too, but now you have Shelton on ECW, put Haas on ECW too and let them fight fo rthe title, then after the draft, IC/US? just for something to do for these guys as both Benjamin and Haas are great performers.

 

[The Todd]

dude i was watching smackdown and his match with Morrison was good that bridging armbar looked incredibly brutal. why on earth is'nt this guy doing something worth while?

Because everytime he wrestles, no one cares. the fact he got a match up with one of the hottest stars in the company at the moment means he is doing something, more than he maybe deserves. The only time he has managed to get a reaction from the crowd is when he was teaming with the other waste of talent, Shelton Benjamin, or when he was playing dress up and pretending to be Haas Hogan.

so i ask u do u agree with me here? do u think Haas's career could be salvaged and give him something meaningful to do put him on the IC title path or the ECW title path

Definitely not the IC title path. In no way is he anywhere near credible enough to compete in a division that has seen a Rey/Jericho feud, a Rey/Ziggler feud and now a Morrison/Ziggler feud. He isn't in the same league as any of them. He's more suited to ECW.

 

[JBK2008]

The guy has quite a bit of talent and the impersonator gimmick showed he can work th mic to a degree, so why not a push? Really I want to know why he doesn't get pushed. The guy has the talent and potential and ECW would be a great place for him. He could be a Chris Benoit type wrestler and thsi would be the perfect brand for him. I've always been a fan of his work and I hope he will get his shot sometime down the road.

 

[CH David]

The guy has quite a bit of talent and the impersonator gimmick showed he can work th mic to a degree, so why not a push? Really I want to know why he doesn't get pushed. The guy has the talent and potential and ECW would be a great place for him. He could be a Chris Benoit type wrestler and thsi would be the perfect brand for him. I've always been a fan of his work and I hope he will get his shot sometime down the road.

You want to know? I'll tell you why, and The Todd already said it as well. He isn't over with the crowd. When he was doing the impersonations, sure he was getting reactions. Now, he is getting barely anything, I saw him live, I think I'd know. But you need to get a pop or get heat when you come out, and he doesn't get much of either. He has a niche in technical wrestling, because he was a college wrestler. But he isn't like Chris Benoit, he isn't over, and hasn't been in any high profile feuds in the singles division. Benoit came in hot with the Radicalz, and then in 2000 actually challenged the Rock for the WWE Championship, gaining some major heat having Shane in his corner. Then he continued to stay hot and relevant, and a few years later, everyone started to love him until the day he died. Charlie Haas just doesn't have that "It" factor that wrestlers need to get over.

 

[samboisdead]

WWE has a history of doing this. See Bob Holly, Barry Horowitz, Val Venis to some extent he was pushed big completely dropped and then just their forever, Stevie Richards. They will keep jobbing him for years as long as he keeps his mouth shut and doesnt get into trouble. Then after he has been with the company 10 to 12 years he will finally get a mini push.oes he deserve this..no. A great worker that could be built for sure. Why does WWE do this I have no clue. The guy lost a brother and this could be used in his storyline pushing him to the main event and claiming that he promised his brother he would be world champ or something. Honestly they should have just let him and Shelton stay a tag team they were very good and neither has really done much since.

 

[The Five-Star Frog Splash]

Yes! A Charlie Hass thread! sweetness! alright then, let's get started.

Charlie Hass is a 2-time WWE Tag Team champion as we all know, but his last championship reign was back in 2004 with Rico. Since then, he has had some weak rivalries like with Big Daddy V and Luther Reigns. I thought things were turning around for him when he was doing the impersonator gimmick;I mean, the guy actually made people excited to watch Raw for about, 3 minutes, which is more than I can say for about 95% of the Raw roster. He then does nothing for months, then another spark of hope comes by and offers us the reuniting of The World's Greatest Tag Team. But that died down too.

Hass has even proven to us that he can work gimmick matches! See his Backlash 2003 and One Night Stand 2007 matches. They're really good. (granted he had ladder specialists in the match, he held his own) Hass has excellent mat wrestling skills and the man is super brutal! I wouldn't face him. He's a tough S.O.B. and while people can make the argument that he doesn't make people care about him enough to push him, that isn't his fault. We don't know what kind of reaction he gets when his music hits, or if he gets on the mic during commercial breaks before matches, or at dark matches. He can work the mic, and should be given one last chance with a good opponent, good storyline, and a chance to get over. He deserves it because he is such a misused talent, like Benjamin.

 

[Guerrero38]

Finally someone made a thread about this guy.Yes I totally 100% agree with you..
Charlie Haas has great talent and I really think he should get sent to ECW and run for the title over there as a face mainly because ECW kinda lacks main event faces right now and I think with just a little time for him to show what he has to offer without a doubt he will get over just fine I just hope it's in a good way and it happens soon..

 

[CraigThe13th]

This is awesome to see people who apprieciate Charlie Haas. It is true he gets no reaction when he comes out, but I think it's takes a certain special something for a wrestler to come out,with no flashy name,gimmick,music or angle and get over. Goldberg is the only man who comes to mind, forgive me if there are more I'm sure there are.

But Charlie is screwed as he just doesn't seem to have the backing of the higher ups and without being given a reason to care about him or a push he will continue to get a lame reaction. He is better on the mic than Shelton if not as flashy and in my opinion would have more people care about him if he was given all the pushes and chances as Shelton.

It is a shame, even if they just did little things like give him back his old rock music theme,tweek his look a bit and let him use the Haas of Pain again and let him on the mic and give him someone to feud with I'm sure people wouldn't scoff at the thought of him challenging for US/IC/ECW honours.

 

[hawaiianbulldog]

I think that would be a great move for the Wwe but i do not see it happening. If only he had been moved to ECW but no Wwe puts Shelton Benjamin on ECW. Do u remember when he was on smackdown ? he had some awesome matches hell he feuded with Undertaker but they move him to ECW to feud with Zack Ryder and turn face BAD MOVE !!!!!!!! Shelton is a great heel WTF!!! Anyway now they make haas lose match after match after match. Such a shame.

 

[X]

Why is everyone saying that Charlie Haas needs to be pushed? It's been tried. Several times. The crowd doesn't care about him in any way whatsoever. I don't think it would be physically possible for the crowd to care less about him. Is he a solid in-ring performer? Sure is. Does he have the skill set to be a credible champion? No. Maybe a midcarder is the best he could attain. Wrestling is about a lot more than how many moves you can perform in the ring people.

 

[Klown_Karnage]

I'm of a mind that Haas is both underused and unappreciated. He's a tremendous wrestler and an extremely good entertainer...if allowed to be. Frankly, I think some of his best stuff was when he was doing his various impersonations. I think that the WWE should have continued that angle, but gradually moved it into a slightly more legit gimmick, a sort of copy-cat wrestler who makes it a point that he can do anything anybody else can do and better, possibly making his point by defeating other wrestlers with their own signature finishers.

Still, it would seem that they're bringing him back to a rather bland gimmick which I think is at the root of his problem. Charlie Haas is a great wrestler, great performer in the ring (check the intensity of this guy when actually wrestling) and very capable of giving and receiving punishment, but at this time his character is very bland. He needs that special something that I personally thought he was getting when he was doing the impersonation bit. He's salvageable alright, and I think because he's proving to be at least infinitely reliable to the WWE as a company, they aren't going to get rid of him any time soon.

 

[CraigThe13th]

Why is everyone saying that Charlie Haas needs to be pushed? It's been tried. Several times. The crowd doesn't care about him in any way whatsoever. I don't think it would be physically possible for the crowd to care less about him. Is he a solid in-ring performer? Sure is. Does he have the skill set to be a credible champion? No. Maybe a midcarder is the best he could attain. Wrestling is about a lot more than how many moves you can perform in the ring people.

When has Charlie Haas been REALLY pushed? I've never seen him be given anything as a singles wrestler. Feuding with Vis over Lillian is the best they have given him and what was he mean't to do with that?

Plus he never gets given a chance to show anything other than his in ring skills

 

[kaoscage]

Haas = WWE's #1 wrestler
I have been saying this for years, Haas can so be the next Benoit or Angle, the guy is just a pure wrestler and a savage in the ring.

 

[troll]

how come haas doesnt get crazy reactions when he wrestles? i remember even vince once coined the phrase "haas pop"... he does seem kind of a funny dude but i dunno..whats crazy is that he seems to have more personality than shelton..

 

[Adalam]

Push Charlie Haas, but build him up slowly. Pushing him to quickly would probably leave the fans wondering what the heck happened and who the hell is this guy? I understand pushing him and I'm all for it, but pushing him to quickly is bad for popularity.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

Yeah yeah yeah, let's push every wrestler that just CAN NOT for the life of them get over. Let's push Hass, Benjamin and any one else that is a decent wrestler but has ZERO care factor amongst the fans.

Hass is a good worker but he doesn't ever get over enough to be pushed. The crowd just doesn't care enough about him. As I said, he can work decent enough in the ring to keep his job and get the odd match here and there but the WWE isn't going to push someone that isn't going to get over or make any money for them, simple as that. And that's the right thing to do for business.

The WWE isn't going to push every single wrestler the IWC get's hard over, get over it.

 

[Slyfox696]

how come haas doesnt get crazy reactions when he wrestles?

Maybe because he sucks? Like, hardcore?

But, he can do technical wrestling, so he must be great, right?

The fact of the matter is that Charlie Haas sucks. He just doesn't have the in-ring ability to compete with people like Cena, Edge, Undertaker, HBK, etc. If he'd ever learn to be able to connect with the fans when he wrestles, perhaps people might care.

Haas = WWE's #1 wrestler
I have been saying this for years, Haas can so be the next Benoit or Angle, the guy is just a pure wrestler and a savage in the ring.

Except people actually gave a damn about Benoit and Angle...

 

[byrnside]

You want to know? I'll tell you why, and The Todd already said it as well. He isn't over with the crowd. When he was doing the impersonations, sure he was getting reactions. Now, he is getting barely anything, I saw him live, I think I'd know. But you need to get a pop or get heat when you come out, and he doesn't get much of either. He has a niche in technical wrestling, because he was a college wrestler. But he isn't like Chris Benoit, he isn't over, and hasn't been in any high profile feuds in the singles division. Benoit came in hot with the Radicalz, and then in 2000 actually challenged the Rock for the WWE Championship, gaining some major heat having Shane in his corner. Then he continued to stay hot and relevant, and a few years later, everyone started to love him until the day he died. Charlie Haas just doesn't have that "It" factor that wrestlers need to get over.

You bring up some very good points, especially about Benoit. But don't forget, Benoit was very over in WCW. Benoit also had that "it factor" we all loved. He worked hard for 20 years, scraping and clawing his way, finally to the top in 2004. Charlie Haas is still pretty young. One day Vince might find something for him. Look at Bob Holly, for example, that guy never had ANYTHING to offer the WWE except his short lived tag team title reigns with Sean Waltman [a team I actually pulled for.] For the better part of 5 years, Holly was nothing but a glorified jobber, and probably one of the first of his kind. Until one day Al Snow and the J.O.B Squad came along and from there he became Hardcore Holly. In the wrestling business, it's all about timing. One day, I'm sure, Haas will make his mark. Hopefully on that note, Shelton Benjamin will too. I always really liked these guys.

 

[Tastycles]

The problem with Haas is that he has the charisma of a brick. He was entertaining when dressing up, and I genuinely believe he could have gone somewhere with it. As he is, he'll never be a decent singles wrestler, but I think he could be in an excellent tag team. Benjamin is too entertaining to be stuck in WGTT for his entire career, so I'd put Haas in an odd couple team with someone like Goldust. The weirdo alongside the ice man would probably work quite well.

Equally, Curt Hawkins isn't doing anything these days, so just team them up as tag team specialists. Charlie Haas has the potential to be half of an entertaining tag team, but he'll never be a decent singles wrestler.

 

[kaoscage]

I have seen Haas get some made heat, and he got a decent pop upon his return. Truth be told, its WWE failing to book the guy in order to give him a pop, they have not let him be outgoing in the ring or make him do something that makes us go "oh sh*t". It is very easy to push a superstar, have DX get the crap beat out of them buy legacy and have Haas randomly run in for the save, start booking him with these guys to build up his fan base. Right now he is a jobber, jobber never get the fans untill the E pushes them.

 

[Slyfox696]

I have seen Haas get some made heat

When? When he was with Angle?

and he got a decent pop upon his return.

If you're talking about when he came back in 2006, you are completely wrong. I was at that show in St. Louis, the same show God made an appearance, and he most definitely did not get a decent pop on his return. Most people were just wondering who that guys was. And when they figured it out, it was a mere "Oh, it's Charlie Haas".

Truth be told, its WWE failing to book the guy in order to give him a pop, they have not let him be outgoing in the ring or make him do something that makes us go "oh sh*t".

Why do you have to scream obscenities in order for something to get over? That's silly.

It is very easy to push a superstar, have DX get the crap beat out of them buy legacy and have Haas randomly run in for the save, start booking him with these guys to build up his fan base. Right now he is a jobber, jobber never get the fans untill the E pushes them.

There is no way Charlie Haas deserves to be in a program in which he saves DX from Legacy. That's a joke and a half.

 

[The Doctor]

The only time I have found Charlie Haas entertaining in my time of watching was his impersonation gimmick. He did a great job with each of his impersonations and they added fun and actual humor to the show.

I think that they should have kept him with that gimmick, especially if they only used it sparingly. It was a pile of fun and actually made people care about him.