Punk Off To a Horrible Start

[JGlass]

Kane beat Punk cleanly, didn't get the briefcase, and thus, making our assumed future world champion look horribly horribly weak. This is not going to help Punk have a strong title reign, if that is indeed the direction in which he is headed.

Anyone have any idea why Punk was booked to lose to this Monster Jobber? Do you think this is more about Kane getting over, or what?

 

[klunderbunker]

WWE is ibsessed with this idea of underdog champions and it rarely works the way they plan it. They royally fucked Punk up last year as he never won a damn thing. He had one legit title win over JBL, before having it take a DQ to beat Batista and getting beaten into the ground all the other times. He'll probably win a fluke and have another terrible title reign. WWE already ruins all their good heels, so why not the faces too?

 

[bobbycapo]

I like this actually. Wouldn't it be great for Punk to have a losing streak much the same as MVP ended last year? So bad to the point where the WHC laughs off the potential of Punk actually cashing in the MITB. Going as far as to even threaten Punk to use it because Punk is a loser.

That would make some interesting TV and would really give the Punk character a lot of heart as he works through the hardship... or becomes very sinister and turns heel. I don't think he has the mic skills to be a convincing heel, though. Unless he's got a cue card.

 

[midgensa]

I am completely baffled by this as well. They should have Punk talk about his "bad reign" last time. He should feud a little over the briefcase and just go on a tear where he is battling people to "prove himself worthy."
This could be a huge storyline allowing him to get victories over main eventers/upper mid-carders.
1. Have him beat Kane clean at Judgement Day
2. Then a brief feud over being "worthy of the briefcase" with Y2J. NEEDS to end with a clean win to retain the briefcase at the Great American Bash.
3. Then a feud where he loses on TV in tag matches/triple threats/etc. a couple of times against John Morrison before bouncing back in ANOTHER briefcase match at SummerSlam. (Have the loss really put doubts in Punks mind making him the "conquering hero" at SummerSlam in a grueling match for the briefcase ... yet again, needs a solid gimmick, maybe even a briefcase over a cage or something fun like that?)
4. The Morrison feud should really have him rolling along. During the feuds have him regularly going over people like R-Truth and Umaga on TV.
5. His final stepping stone is he wants to prove himself against the "second title" and faces off against Rey Mysterio in a non-IC title match at Unforgiven. Have him go over clean as these two should be able to put on a hell of a show. Have Edge starting to notice Punk's "run" and seemingly getting worried (Yes ... Edge can lose and regain the title with UT or someone else if needed, but would be really great if Edge holds the title throughout ALL of Punk's run).After Punk beats Mysterio, Have Rey shake his hand and literally get on the stick and tell Punk he is "ready to go get the big one."
6. On SD! the following week have Punk come out to start the show and announce he is cashing in at No Mercy against Edge and does not want to do it in surprise fashion ... he wants Edge to KNOW he is coming. Build it for a month and ...
7. At No Mercy in Pittsburgh, Pa., on October 4, 2009, let have CM Punk go over Edge (maybe even in a Hell in a Cell or something) to become NEW World Heavyweight Champion. He will be MEGA over, and will have a chance to really show his weight as the company's top star.

Could swap the Rey feud with Hardy if you feel the need, but you are going to need faces going after Edge this whole time as well. But this would give a solid 5-6 month feel of CM Punk is coming for ya Edge! And would really work well I think.
At worst ... the strap on CM Punk fails again and you have Cyber Sunday, Survivor Series and Armegeddon to get the strap off of him before you start the WM storylines at RR 2010.

 

[JGlass]

That was a great idea, I definitely think two clean victories in feuds with Kane and then Y2J would put Punk in a good position, and then a good feud with another upper mid-card/main event person would solidify his place as a legitimate #1 contender. Rep for you my friend.

 

[midgensa]

That was a great idea, I definitely think two clean victories in feuds with Kane and then Y2J would put Punk in a good position, and then a good feud with another upper mid-card/main event person would solidify his place as a legitimate #1 contender. Rep for you my friend.

Yeah ... the more I wrote on it the better it sounded. I really think this would work perfectly. The major key is ending it in a face-vs-face match (maybe even against Hardy instead of Rey) to really put him over.
I don't see how the WWE cannot see how great something like this would be and it would freshen up the briefcase.

 

[jnmaher]

That was a great idea, I definitely think two clean victories in feuds with Kane and then Y2J would put Punk in a good position, and then a good feud with another upper mid-card/main event person would solidify his place as a legitimate #1 contender. Rep for you my friend.

Why is everyone under the assumption that he is going to be the world champion. The direction could be Punk challenges Edge in his hometown of chicago a few weeks before Judgment Day. Punk goes on a losing streak. Loses to Kane, Y2J and so on...Then when it comes to the PPV, He loses. Makes Edge stronger and sells the fact that you can cash it in at the wrong time. Somebody has too.

 

[Freddy4190]

I don't see CM Punk winning the title if he cashes in MITB. All the MITB holders have won championships, I see this one as the first one to get their ass kicked and lose.

 

[midgensa]

Why is everyone under the assumption that he is going to be the world champion. The direction could be Punk challenges Edge in his hometown of chicago a few weeks before Judgment Day. Punk goes on a losing streak. Loses to Kane, Y2J and so on...Then when it comes to the PPV, He loses. Makes Edge stronger and sells the fact that you can cash it in at the wrong time. Somebody has too.

Because the SECOND somebody loses with the briefcase ... much less if they do it in this fashion where they have him keep losing ... then fail ... the MITB loses all of its luster.
The MITB is like a wink wink from WWE to the fans saying ... this guy will be champ just watch. Once they lose that it will be pretty much pointless to keep it going, won't matter much more than being a #1 contender and you might as well have it at any PPV instead of just WrestleMania.
Now, I guess there is a slight chance that they have him go after something other than the WHC or WWE title, but they would have to write a really good reason into the storyline for that to make sense. Bottom line, they plan on Punk being champ again, so they need to figure out a way to do it better than they did last year.

 

[RKOZOZ]

I dont think he will have this briefcase any longer its gonna be one of two things.
1. Either kane got the win so he can challenge punk to put the briefcase on the line so kane wins and finally wins a well deserved tittle (hope its not for 24 hours)
2.or maybe punk is just holding on to the case till kennedy returns and wins it in the same fashion he lost it before then finally get his push (my own wish)
Whether its kane or kennedy they would make better champions. I dont know why but punk isnt working as a main eventer for me.

 

[jayp_1984]

theres nothing good about having your future world champion get beat by a guy who is a glorified jobber. dont be ******ed people.

theres nothing good about it. poor punk...hes done EVERYTHING right and just gets shafted.

 

[jnmaher]

The MITB is like a wink wink from WWE to the fans saying ... this guy will be champ just watch. Once they lose that it will be pretty much pointless to keep it going, won't matter much more than being a #1 contender and you might as well have it at any PPV instead of just WrestleMania.

The MITB is like a what?....wink wink. Really....anyway thanks for explaining it to me! Edge MITB 2 week title run, but fantastically done. RVD once again done well but a 30 day title run. Kennedy loses MITB (what was the WWE saying to the fans then, he did win it at wrestlemania?.....Right?.....), Punk first time round wasn't suppose to win it lets be honest, but how he won the title was good, but once again not really a good title run. Now...here we are. The match itself at Wrestlemania is the spectacle! You couldn't have a match like that on any other PPV.

And with no in between, no semantics on RVD and drugs thats why his title run was short, or Kennedy injured and Edge getting it and so on and so on.

The match is not pointless period. Doesn't matter what happens afterwards, doesn't matter who wins it. It gives 8 spots to mid card talent to show what their got. Shawn Michaels vs Razor, Razor won, but elevated HBK. Hmm.....If we can take anything from it, over the past two years of MITB we can certainly see that John Morrison is part of the future of WWE, Punk will be in limbo, upper mid-carder. I like Punk, but a strong world champion he isn't.

 

[cenasucks52]

First let me remind you that Mr. Kennedy lost his MITB...yes, Edge won the title with it but Mr. K did lose it. My main point is CM Punk sucks...you have my guarantee I have watched wrestling for 15 years and if he becomes champion I will stop watching. He is boring, and there is no way a 220lb guy can beat Kane or Edge or anybody else...Kane deserves a shot more than Punk...I get angry at anyone who thinks he deserves it. I'd rather see Kofi Kingston or John Morrisson or hell Funaki haha

 

[JuviJuiceIsLoose]

First let me remind you that Mr. Kennedy lost his MITB...yes, Edge won the title with it but Mr. K did lose it. My main point is CM Punk sucks...you have my guarantee I have watched wrestling for 15 years and if he becomes champion I will stop watching. He is boring, and there is no way a 220lb guy can beat Kane or Edge or anybody else...Kane deserves a shot more than Punk...I get angry at anyone who thinks he deserves it. I'd rather see Kofi Kingston or John Morrisson or hell Funaki haha

If Punk being champion makes you stop watching wrestling, you would've stopped last year.

220 pound guys beat Kane constantly. Hell, a few months ago he was losing to a 150 pound guy. If you're looking for realism in the WWE, you're watching the wrong damn show.

I think this will be the first year that the guy who cashes in the briefcase doesn't win the championship.

So, it's possible that Punk challenges Edge for the title at Judgement Day and loses.

 

[cenasucks52]

Haha ok my bad on that one...Kane does suck but why?...is he really that bad...and I gave Punk a shot last year and I didn't like it...but we finally actually have 2 champs I like and I think work...I'd like to see another champion of champions match but that's another topic...I just don't like to see guys built to fast and I think that's why Punk didn't work last year

 

[Acid]

I think it would be good to build punk up for a while (have him lose once in a while to not make him look unstoppable) and then fued with Edge or the champ at the time(Edge or Jericho would be great). Have him get the champ egg him on about how he can only get a shot because of the MITB, thus pissing punk off and making him actually earn his shot just to prove he can do it without the MITB. At a big ppv, have him get extremely close to winning and still losing. Have him sob around in the ring a bit while the champ celebrates and then have the champ get on the mic."Even at your best, you still couldn't do it. You can't beat me. There is no way you would take my title unless I let you." the champ would say. Turns around to hand someone (timekeeper or someone down there) the mic only to turn around and get hit with the GTS as punk cashes in the MITB. It's a bit predictable I know, but would still make a good story.

 

[Marquis]

There really could be no positive spin to justify why Punk lost to Kane. I really don't see why the person you are pushing to become your next world champion, has to lose cleanly to a glorified jobber. Its starting to look like more and more that Punk will be the first to not win a title with MITB. Which does have a upside. The upside is it will add more interest to MITB. Punk would prove you don't always win a title because of MITB, thus always leaving some curiosity if MITB winners will win the title in coming years. The downside would be Punks career. I doubt he would be able to come back from a failed world title reign, and a failed MITB cash in. He would probably end up a career upper midcarder. I don't see how he can be blamed. The man is given no mic time at all. I can't recall the last time i saw him pick up a mic and say something or cut a promo, and hes booked horribly.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I'm sure Kane won because CM Punk won the last time they faced off but it looks like they're setting up Punk to cash it in and lose. It would be interesting because it will get boring fast if every MITB winner wins the title. Even though signs point towards Punk cashing it in at Judgment Day in Chicago, I don't want to see it happen. If Cena would have retained, then I would have said he would cash it in then. With Edge winning, I think they are going to hold it off for a couple of months. Here are the number of months it took for each MITB winner to cash in their briefcase.

Edge- 9 months
Rob Van Dam-2 months
Edge (After winning it from Kennedy)- 1 week
CM Punk- 3 months

As you can see, the MITB winner doesn't take long and if Kennedy hadn't got injured, he would waited until Wrestlemania 24. I believe he should cash it in either at Summerslam or Survivor Series against Edge who I hope has a long title reign.

 

[finneycom1]

I'm sure Kane won because CM Punk won the last time they faced off but it looks like they're setting up Punk to cash it in and lose. It would be interesting because it will get boring fast if every MITB winner wins the title. Even though signs point towards Punk cashing it in at Judgment Day in Chicago, I don't want to see it happen. If Cena would have retained, then I would have said he would cash it in then. With Edge winning, I think they are going to hold it off for a couple of months. Here are the number of months it took for each MITB winner to cash in their briefcase.

Edge- 9 months
Rob Van Dam-2 months
Edge (After winning it from Kennedy)- 1 week
CM Punk- 3 months

As you can see, the MITB winner doesn't take long and if Kennedy hadn't got injured, he would waited until Wrestlemania 24. I believe he should cash it in either at Summerslam or Survivor Series against Edge who I hope has a long title reign.

Thank you, Little Jerry Lawler!! It DOES get boring if every MITB winner, wins the championship. Just b/c a man wins the MITB, this should not be a wink from WWE saying that this guy will be champ. It, storyline terms, means that he gets a "title shot."

Personally, I liked the idea of Kane beating Punk last night. Dont treat the MITB as a title, but as a chance for the title.

Besides, Punk was kind of a weak champion. I know, there are alot of Punk fans, but he's young and needs more time to develop. Alot of people blame creative for his weak run, but I disagree. When Punk was champion, he could NOT carry someone in a good match. Guys like Batista, whom he fought when he was champion. Batista is not the greatest in the ring, thus, Punk, if he was a great champion, shouldve ultimately made the match better. You know when a guy is a good champion, he should be able to carry a match, even with a bad opponent. Look at the Rock, Michaels, Austin: at the height of their careers, these guys could literally, LITERALLY, have a match with a shovel, and fans would be entertained to an extent. Punk lacks that, but I will NOT write him off. He still has plenty of time. Right now, he is IC title or tag title potential at best.

So a loss to an opponent like Kane, who is creditable and proven, I do not have a problem with.

 

[Nate DaMac]

i dont hate seeing kane win, but it doesn't benefit punk. and for those who think punk isn't me worthy...! hes an awesome performer, never given a shot on the mic but im sure hes not bad, and most of all, whats important to the wwe, hes way over with the kiddies. and edge, being the cena slayer, is the ultimate kiddie heel, and puttin punk in a program with him will only help his cause.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Oh man, how short the memory of the WWE Fan is today. Come on people, take your Gingko Biloba and join me on a short journey to last year.

Punk won the Money in the Bank just last year, and do any of you remember what happened about 2-3 weeks later?

He lost clean. To The Miz.

That briefcase is certainly no entitlement to invincibility. And if anything, this helps Kane get back as a legit threat on a new show, since he was within a second of defeating Punk at M.I.T.B. anyway. This puts over the depth of competition on Smackdown, and since Punk didn't lose the Briefcase, it doesn't bury him. Had Punk gone over Kane, nothing would have changed for Punk - he still has the case - but the freshly drafted Kane would have been completely buries.

Best choice, really.

 

[Lee]

Well said IC...MiTB is climbing a ladder and getting a briefcase, it's not a title, it's a title shot.

What is also funny is for months people have said ooooh Kane looks weak, he should beat some big players. That he did, he beat Punk, clean on Backlash. These things happen, don't worry.

 

[Slyfox696]

Oh man, how short the memory of the WWE Fan is today. Come on people, take your Gingko Biloba and join me on a short journey to last year.

Punk won the Money in the Bank just last year, and do any of you remember what happened about 2-3 weeks later?

He lost clean. To The Miz.

That briefcase is certainly no entitlement to invincibility. And if anything, this helps Kane get back as a legit threat on a new show, since he was within a second of defeating Punk at M.I.T.B. anyway. This puts over the depth of competition on Smackdown, and since Punk didn't lose the Briefcase, it doesn't bury him. Had Punk gone over Kane, nothing would have changed for Punk - he still has the case - but the freshly drafted Kane would have been completely buries.

Best choice, really.

To go along with this...

If Punk had beaten Kane, so what? What would that have done for Kane? Allow me to quote:

Anyone have any idea why Punk was booked to lose to this Monster Jobber?

theres nothing good about having your future world champion get beat by a guy who is a glorified jobber.

220 pound guys beat Kane constantly.

Kane does suck

I really don't see why the person you are pushing to become your next world champion, has to lose cleanly to a glorified jobber.

If beating Kane means nothing, then how would Punk going over serve any kind of purpose? It's clear many people don't think anything of Kane, so if Punk went over, it would have had NO effect. It wouldn't make CM Punk any stronger, all it would do is make Kane look worse.

But now, we have a feud. We have two guys who look like they can both be rivals with each other, and each side has something they can claim over the other. Isn't that much more interesting than a one-off win against a guy who means nothing to beat?

 

[Ty Burna]

And I'm going to go a bit further from Sly's response. I think it wasn't a bad idea to have Kane go over last night either. The biggest issue there was there really wasn't any buildup to the match at Backlash other than Punk knocking Kane off the ladder at WM25 and two matches the week of Backlash. We didn't even get a proper announcement that they were having a match.

However, I like how Kane went over Punk last night. Now that they are on Smackdown and probably two of the more bigger names there, I think if they continue this feud, they will get far more time to work the feud compared to if they were on Raw. I think that works pretty well considering Kane and Punk haven't had any actual feuds or storylines to work with as of late. This should allow them to go into Smackdown with a feud to work with on a show that will allow them more time to develop it.

Punk will be fine, they're developing a feud for him to start off with on Smackdown, so there really is no need to worry about how he is being built up. Unless of course you want the MITB winner to go undefeated the entire time he has the briefcase.

 

[Zeedeevel]

Actually having a MITB winner fail would be good this way it doesnt mean that the briefcase is an automatic title win. It would be best to do it with punk having the briefcase since he isnt really all that entertaining. He is a stale bret hart who is booked to look like crap. I think they would rather have the champion (doesnt have to be the whc) pushed by going over the briefcase. That being said it does make sense for edge to do that and say punk isnt as good as him.