Backlash: CM Punk vs. Kane

[babrey619]

what if Kane attacks punk and steals the Money in the Bank case and cashes in after the Last Man Standing match?????
this will give Kane a push... (as discussed last month).....
this will also get a heel champion.....(as discussed last week).....

ur thoughts.....

 

[JonnyPyro]

It would never happen. Kane is over glorified enhancement talent now... just like the Big Show. Only difference is... Show gets a random title reign every now and again to keep credibility. Kane only gets more and more demented. So a belt, I wouldn't see.

Although, a friend of mine keeps on pleading for Punk to cash it in, only for Edge to kick him in the balls and retain via DQ... So...

I'd be equally amused and pissed. Lol

 

[slayerofpanda]

If Judgement Day is in Chicago, I'd rather have him just try to scare the new WHC at the end. His music hits when someone wins the grueling match (especially if it's Edge because that'd be an awesome sell), and have him appear at the top of the stage. Almost gives Edge a "Not again..." type of look to him. But, I'd rather him have the microphone, and say "Relax... I'm not doing this here tonight. I'm doing it May ??th, in front of my home crowd, in Chicago, Illinois at Judgement Day!"

doubtful he would do that on the PPV...it would make me and rest of providence very pissed off that we arent seeing that match that night on live ppv.

that friday on smackdown...sure.

 

[S.O.H.O.O.D]

doubtful he would do that on the PPV...it would make me and rest of providence very pissed off that we arent seeing that match that night on live ppv.

that friday on smackdown...sure.

I have to disagree...I think the WWE will look to get him over right this time and will have him win the title on PPV and not by taking advantage of a situation like challenging the champ after a grueling match. And IMO it will be by having Cena put him over at JD.

 

[adamjv80]

This match is a complete waste of space and time, save 2 things happen;

1. They make it for Punk's MITB , like the awesome RVD Benjamin match in 06. Problem is, Kane has nothing punk would want, other then elevation. Punk would go for it as he wouldnt back down, but noone would take this seriously because kane is an upper tier jobber, no more.

2. Punk goes to cash in MITB, and Kane attacks him just as he was going for a pin. Screws him out of his championship opportunity. Sets up a feud on smackdown. which would suck, because Punks ready to main event, and their matches have sucked thus far. So i see no point in this match, unless WWE has a helluva swerve coming. I hope so!

 

[Y 2 Jake]

There's no better way to devalue you MITB winner by leaving him off Backlash. It happened to Punk last year and Kennedy this year. Ideally there would have been a slightly better build towards it, but WWE don't seem to have done much of that at all for this show.

Kane is probably the best match for him, I read a lot of people predicting him for the win at Mania.

 

[Chill]

I think Kane is prob the best opponent for Punk at Backlash considering it came down to these two at 'Mania...maybe on the night they will make it for the MITB case...regardless of who wins, that would add something more to the match and make it appear that Punk and Kane are actually fighting for/over something. I've liked their work in the past, they had a good singles match on ECW when Kane was champ...should be decent matchup imo....

 

[justinsayne]

Why do I have the feeling this match is just going to end with Kane getting DQ'd?, TBH the best way to do this match would have been to add something to it, whether it be putting the MITB shot on the line or adding some sort of gimmick to the match (I mean why not they have for ever other match on the card), in the end I see this match going about 10 mins. before Kane gets DQ'd, then Punk goes on to cash in MITB following the LMS match later in the night, that is unless Edge wins, if Edge wins then I see him cashing it in at JD in a similar fashion as RVD did

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

I know everyone on here seems to be predicting Punk for the victory, but I can honestly say I believe Kane will probably either win, or get disqualified after dominating Punk and taking him out.

With Punk getting the better of Kane at 'Mania and then defeating Kane rather easily on Raw in just a few minutes, I just get a feeling that this one is meant for Kane to get a win heading into next week when the draft becomes official.

A lot of people argue Punk needs momentum, but Money in the Bank is enough to keep Punk relevant no matter what. Besides, how many times did Punk lose to Miz and Morrison before cashing in last year?

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

This match is a complete waste of space and time, save 2 things happen;

1. They make it for Punk's MITB , like the awesome RVD Benjamin match in 06. Problem is, Kane has nothing punk would want, other then elevation. Punk would go for it as he wouldnt back down, but noone would take this seriously because kane is an upper tier jobber, no more.

2. Punk goes to cash in MITB, and Kane attacks him just as he was going for a pin. Screws him out of his championship opportunity. Sets up a feud on smackdown. which would suck, because Punks ready to main event, and their matches have sucked thus far. So i see no point in this match, unless WWE has a helluva swerve coming. I hope so!

Their matches have sucked? They've only faced each other three times I believe in terms of singles action. This past week on Raw, I hardly call enough of a showing to even say it sucked. Sure, it sucked, but heck, the whole match ran what, just a few minutes?

As far as their past encounters, their main event on ECW last year when Kane was ECW Champion was actually a very good match and one of the more memorable ECW main events of the year.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

So you mean to tell me the damn briefcase isn't on the line? REALLY? I mean, why don't they just put Hornswoggle and Nattie Neidhart on the card, too. This is a pathetic attempt at filling a show when you have TWO title holders not even appearing on the card. Not to mention the Tag Titles, Diva's title, and Women's title.

One word...pitiful.

 

[varney]

who cares, Punk is going to lose because WWE bookers are usually high on glue and backass book everything (Orton HHH at WM and Punks 1st WHC Reign)
Punk will be dominated and play the underdog and lose....

 

[jmt225]

I remember these two had a very good match on Raw when Punk was World Champion. In fact, it was one of the best matches I've seen Kane have these past couple of years, to be honest. Can it happen again? Probably not, but I still think it could make a nice little opener to start the show. If it's stuck in the middle of the card as a fucking swing bout, then it will be shit.

But yeah... hopefully Punk gets a clean win here. WWE needs to start making him look legit, and not like a fluke.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

So you mean to tell me the damn briefcase isn't on the line? REALLY? I mean, why don't they just put Hornswoggle and Nattie Neidhart on the card, too. This is a pathetic attempt at filling a show when you have TWO title holders not even appearing on the card. Not to mention the Tag Titles, Diva's title, and Women's title.

One word...pitiful.

You have to understand that WWE's priority for Backlash was the World Heavyweight Championship and the WWE Championship, as it should be, even though nothing new has transpired in either feuds to give Backlash any steam.

Considering that they also have the ECW Championship on the line and continuations of the angles with Jericho and the Legends and the Hardy's, that with such a short time between PPV's and with the draft they'd be in a rush to build up anything to fill out the card.

CM Punk and Kane, as a way to fill out the card is actually a good choice. They are probably 2 of the top superstars (outside the Undertaker and Shawn Michaels) to not actually be involved with anything, so if you're going to add filler, it might as well be filler amongst your top stars. But, I agree, adding the briefcase on the line would actually add a ton of steam to this and actually make it valuable of being on the PPV. But, that's not to say that it won't be at some point. If Kane wins at Backlash, then he could very well continue the feud with Punk on Smackdown!. Right now, there's really no reason for the case to be on the line because Kane hasn't done anything to CM Punk to prove that it should be. Had Kane went over Punk on Raw, then maybe they could've played a quick angle out on Smackdown!, but WWE obviously wasn't thinking about it.

 

[Coco]

I'd rather have seen Big Show vs. Punk if they could have thought of a proper way to build the match. Show is higher on the pecking order and actually would have been a significant victory for Punk.

 

[Sean Valjean]

This match would be better if the briefcase was on the line, but as long as Punk's on the card I'm cool with it.

It probably won't be a fantastic match, but I doubt it'll be crap. If they've learned anything from last year, Punk needs to win and win cleanly. He has to look credible if they're planning another world title reign for him, and beating Kane is a good start.

 

[Coco]

Why would the match be better if the case were on the line? We all know full-well that Kane probably isn't in line for such a push. If anything, the case being on the line would increase the predicability of this match.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

I'd rather have seen Big Show vs. Punk if they could have thought of a proper way to build the match. Show is higher on the pecking order and actually would have been a significant victory for Punk.

The Big Show has never been higher on the pecking order than Kane. They've sat at a pretty equal level their entire careers. Big Show has been pushed pretty hard since his return last year, true. But, he has essentially been a main eventer who does most of his work in the mid-card, similarly to Kane. It won't be long before Big Show is losing matches on Raw to the likes of Kofi Kingston. Of course, that is after Big Show jobs out to everyone from HHH to John Cena and Batista and probably HBK.

As far as a significant victory, most PPV victories are. However, I don't view Kane or Big Show as a significant victory because outside the likes of HHH, Edge, John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton, The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels, the field is wide open and any superstar is just as likely to beat anyone else on any given night.

Aside from that, fact is Punk has been World Heavyweight Champion. Regardless of how he was booked since then, that can't be taken away from him, so I never really look at Punk like an underdog as he happens to win most of his matches to begin with. Heck, Rey is never a true underdog because even he wins most of his matches.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

Why would the match be better if the case were on the line? We all know full-well that Kane probably isn't in line for such a push. If anything, the case being on the line would increase the predicability of this match.

Not necessarily. Crazier things have happened. How do you know what WWE has planned and who they will push? They will likely push all of the drafted talent since they are just debuting on Smackdown!. As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if Kane doesn't get at least one title feud this year. The briefcase is an instant way to do that.

 

[Coco]

The Big Show has never been higher on the pecking order than Kane. They've sat at a pretty equal level their entire careers.

From late 2002 onward, Show has been higher on the card on a more regular basis. Show feuded with Lesnar, Taker, Angle, etc. at the top of SmackDown for most of that year and went on to become the second United States Champion since the title was brought back, defeating Eddie Guerrero (who, at the time, was being groomed to be a main event level face) to win the title. Upon Show's return in the fall of 2004, he feuded with Kurt Angle and got three PPV victories over Angle (singles, elimination tag, and handicapped). Angle would then feud with JBL over the WWE Championship for two months. While at this point Show did nothing truely significant until his ECW title reign, Kane had not main evented or been as consistently high on the card as Show had in the span of time I listed. Once Show returned, he went into a major match at WM24, and come the fall he defeated Undertaker on PPV. Show then went on to be in a major WM25 match.

Kane has never been on equal footing with Show. Mr. Wright has always been a cut above. Kane has had weeks or months where he was higher than normal. Show has had years.

Punk would gain a lot more from a victory over Show and the match would be better. Instead, Punk fans have to suffer through this Kane feud where he gains no notoriety greater than that which he had coming into the match. A real shame when Punk should be a priority at the moment.

 

[lalakerz]

On paper I personally think this match has looked and does look good, but the fact that it was thrown together, plus I don't feel Punk has been given any type of worthy TV time on top of winning MITB, and Kane has been buried so much where I can't even enjoy a match of his anymore, it's not appealing to me.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

From late 2002 onward, Show has been higher on the card on a more regular basis. Show feuded with Lesnar, Taker, Angle, etc. at the top of SmackDown for most of that year and went on to become the second United States Champion since the title was brought back, defeating Eddie Guerrero (who, at the time, was being groomed to be a main event level face) to win the title. Upon Show's return in the fall of 2004, he feuded with Kurt Angle and got three PPV victories over Angle (singles, elimination tag, and handicapped). Angle would then feud with JBL over the WWE Championship for two months. While at this point Show did nothing truely significant until his ECW title reign, Kane had not main evented or been as consistently high on the card as Show had in the span of time I listed. Once Show returned, he went into a major match at WM24, and come the fall he defeated Undertaker on PPV. Show then went on to be in a major WM25 match.

Kane has never been on equal footing with Show. Mr. Wright has always been a cut above. Kane has had weeks or months where he was higher than normal. Show has had years.

This is totally disregarding everything Kane has done since that point too. Don't forget that when Kane returned in '02 he was the top face on Raw, and remained at the top of the card for a few months. In '03, Kane absolutely dominated the latter half of the year following his unmasking and was the central focus on Raw, often times being given much more build up and TV time than HHH or Goldberg, etc. His feud with Shane was the biggest thing Raw had going, other than a HHH and Goldberg feud that didn't garner all the interest WWE thought it would.

It's also totally disregarding the build up heading into 'Mania 20, where before Kane lost to the Undertaker he went 9 months without being pinned or tapping out. It's disregarding, whether you personally enjoyed it or not, how central a part of Raw and how high up he was on the card during his whole fiasco with Lita in '04. It's also disregarding how Kane took an unknown in Snitsky and temporarily raised him to the top of the card and main evented SEVERAL Raws with Snitsky. It disregards his feud with Edge that was amongst the top 2 or 3 feuds on Raw during a pretty big stretch in '05 and it ignores how Kane and Big Show teamed up to dominate Smackdown!'s World Heavyweight Champion Batista, or how Kane and Big Show had an interbrand feud with Batista and Rey. It ignores how Kane was pushed incredibly hard around the time See No Evil came out in '06 (even though the push turned out to be a blunder job by WWE creative). It ignores how when he went to Smackdown! later in the year, his feud with MVP (together with the Taker's feud with Kennedy) were the top 2 hyped up feuds on Smackdown!, even above the World Title.

It's true, that in '07 Kane really had no significant thing going. I will give you that. But a feud with Edge over the World Title that was rumored to supposedly last months never got going in all fairness because of an injury to Edge.

And we all are still familiar with '08 and on, but you get my point. I am not saying by any means that the Big Show hasn't been pushed much harder since his return last year, because he certainly has. However, as you see, Kane has been a part of much bigger things than you give him credit for, even going back to '02.

 

[Coco]

2002 saw him on top for ONE month. I don't count Survivor Series, as that was all about Hunter and Shawn. Late '03 saw him become a threat for a few weeks and then become Shane McMahon's bitch for a few months.

While his feud with Hardy was going on, he was nowhere near the top of the card. Jericho-Edge, Orton's rise, Eugene, Triple H, and Benoit were all given much more thought. That's a long list.

During his feud with Edge, Raw was OWNED by HBK and Hogan and the WWE title feud.

Kane wasn't top of the card talent through most of that, TBH.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

2002 saw him on top for ONE month. I don't count Survivor Series, as that was all about Hunter and Shawn. Late '03 saw him become a threat for a few weeks and then become Shane McMahon's bitch for a few months.

While his feud with Hardy was going on, he was nowhere near the top of the card. Jericho-Edge, Orton's rise, Eugene, Triple H, and Benoit were all given much more thought. That's a long list.

During his feud with Edge, Raw was OWNED by HBK and Hogan and the WWE title feud.

Kane wasn't top of the card talent through most of that, TBH.

You're trying to even find a spin on his feud with Shane. I'm sorry, but that was easily the biggest focus of Raw. Easily. By saying he was Shane's bitch you're disregarding it. I'm not discrediting anything Big Show's done, heck, I'm not even discrediting how Big Show has probably easily been the most dominant superstar, physically, on the roster since his heel turn. However, your opinions sound biased by trying to discredit everything.

And if anything, Kane has been at a much more stable level than Show his whole career. I've never seen somebody as main event worthy as the Big Show become such an afterthought. Granted, it led to a push, but he would go unseen for weeks on end. I think the best way to put it, maybe, is Big Show's highs have probably been a bit higher, but, Kane has never hit some of the lows as far as becoming completely irrelevant to WWE TV programming.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I'm strongly holding my tongue on not making any harsh comments on Punk's second push into the Main Event spotlight.. but this first match isn't looking too great.

On the plus side, him strongly defeating Kane cleanly, without question, is going to help him. But on the downside, this match comes off a match they had on Raw in which Punk still barely won and only did so by out-smarting Kane.. not really beating him cleanly.

So the only way Punk will come out of this match, still a viable Main Event prospect (again) is by cleanly defeating Kane, via the G.T.S, in the middle of the ring. I know he can do it.. Kane is like Snitsky, only with more credibility.. and Punk broke Snitsky's nose in a squash of sorts. So he can rinse and repeat here.

Again, I can't say this is a huge match. Seems to me it's just something to keep Punk in the spotlight, yet without any major storyline other than having the MITB case. At which point, I'm also curious on an Orton victory, followed by an immediate Punk cash-in and victory, to set-up for Judgment Day in Chicago.

When Edge cashed in, he fought Flair in the opening match and lost by DQ. He did so, knowing what he wanted to do.. and shocked everyone.

I firmly believe a repeat of sorts is in the books. Punk could beat Kane, in the opening match.. then Orton could win, only to lose to Punk to end the show. Setting up a Judgment Day single's match between them.