People are too hard on John Cena

[The Masked Vato]

Your dissing rey, Rey is a real good wrestler, I dont see all the hate, I remember reading a review for ECW 1 Night Stand 2 and someone was saying all Cena did was punch RVD, ok well your dumb as fuck for sayin that or blind cause I saw him dive off ht eurnbuckle to the outside, do suplexes, powerbombs, slams, some shit I never seen him do, people just like to bitch cause their own life sucks ass

OH and everyone has the same moves pretty much, RVD I havent saw something new from him in a LONG time...I like RVD but his shit is always the same

Omg...I love this dude!

"Cena is losing his thug image if you really havent noticed."

That wasn't the point. The point was that people were saying that Cena wasn't a "gangsta"...and he wasn't. They were also hating on him because he didn't "look the part", and that fact was an affront to their...um..."intelligence"?...ahem.

 

[YouCan'tSeeME!!]

You All S***!!!! Cena is as great a wrestler as anyone (except all the legends) So he had the title for a yoear Boo Hoo At least he put up Some good matches and he main evented Wrestlemanai twice winning both.

 

[The Masked Vato]

You All S***!!!! Cena is as great a wrestler as anyone (except all the legends). So he had the title for a year. Boo Hoo! At least he put on some good matches and he main evented Wrestlemania twice...winning both.

I was gonna send you to this thread. Cena is not great. He's a good wrestler. Period. Stop trolling.

P.S. I cleaned up your comment for you.

 

[bewarethepink]

RVD may have done some of the same things he always do at One Night Stand, but his performance was 10 better than Cena's. Cena tried a couple of new things, but when in an enviroment like ECW, wrestlers are expected to perform a certain way (i.e- EXTREAM, ect) RVD thrives in that kind of enviroment, Cena on the other hand had something to prove and his routine didnt cut it there. Is Cena a bad wrestler? Honestly no, he's not bad, but people are just tired of his character and his title reign...

 

[Zoltaire]

I really dislike Cena because everything he does is the WWE trying to repackage him as some sort of second comming of The Rock and Austin in one person. While the simple fact of the matter that he lacks the charisma of the Rock, and the attitude and intensity of Austin. The rebel act isn't believable, nor does he really have the presence of showmanship I'd like from a main eventer.

What Cena reminds me most of is Caffiene Free Diet Coke. It takes the caffiene and the sugar out of something that's good, making it essentially expensive coloured water and only really serves to piss me off that its not an actual coke if someone gives it to me.

 

[The Masked Vato]

What Cena reminds me most of is Caffiene Free Diet Coke. It takes the caffiene and the sugar out of something that's good, making it essentially expensive coloured water and only really serves to piss me off that its not an actual coke if someone gives it to me.

I like the way you said that. Heh. Isn't anyone who is supposedly a "tough guy" and "works" the mic a lot gonna be compared to those guys? Personally, the only difference I see between Cena and the Rock is that the Rock had more guys behind him. They loved his sophomoric mic stuff, but they do not love Cena's. "Poontang pie?" I still think that what gets people's goat about Cena is the "rapper" thing. Get over it. Cena, in my opinion, is a far better wrestler than Hogan. His gimmick just hasn't gotten over with as many people. It never will. It's a niche type of thing. Some people like rap....some like rock(I happen to like both), and I think this is where the WWE did Cena in. There is a stigma. A lot of women and kids don't "get" what the hubbub is about, so that demographic is where a lot of his fans lie. Look at HHH. This is the tale of the tape. HHH has rock theme music. The fans love that. Cena has rap. HHH is more of a "wrestler". Fans love that because they will mark out for themselves for being "better fans than you" because they appreciate "actual wrestling". Cena is a "brawler". HHH has moves where you can say, "That's patented HHH!" Cena has 2 moves that outshadow eveything else(Rock had this too if anyone was paying attention). HHH is the "cerebral assassin", "the king of kings", a wrestler's wrestler.... Cena is "trying to be a thug", "trying to be a 'gangsta'", and my personal favorite...."trying to be like Konnan". Everybody who hates Cena should be patient. They'll probably give Edge the belt. Then you guys can listen to me moan about the "Prema-char Superstar".

 

[Zoltaire]

Ah man, Edge is awesome. I think he's the best heel they've built up in a long time and he tends to put in a solid match everytime I've seen him in the ring.

As for Cena, I actually like his music and doesn't really object to a rapper gimmic. He doesn't look the part though, far too clean cut for it to make alot of sense. Mostly I dislike him because he has only average in ring ability, he's been champion far too long over superior talents, and alot of what he does seems like an inferior retread.

 

[The Masked Vato]

I don't get what you guys are talking about. Should he have cornrows? Dreads? A big skraggly beard like the unibomber? And what is this thing about in ring ability? Does that mean his number of moves? Has anybody counted while the Rock wrestled? Stone Cold? Hulk Hogan? Dare I say.....Goldberg?!(although somebody had the brains to do something about Goldberg's stupid two move, 2 1/2 second matches) I think "Clean cut" is code for something. Also...for the guy who thought it was cute to say "Cena isn't a gangsta, he's a wangsta", please let grown folks talk. Cena isn't a gangsta! He's a rapper. I don't understand how you guys can't separate the two. I guess it's because the only cultural exposure you get is from re-runs of "Friends" and Gilmore Girls. That rant was not personally at you, Zoltaire, but to all these anonymous Cena haters. The fact that you guys don't "Get" Cena is the reason that you are not better than any other fan(which you think you are). All Cena haters should read post #56, define all words you don't know, ask for help in understanding from fellow fans, and just get over it because at the end of the day....after all the trash talk, spinning belts, 2 move matches, and after all the fans have gone home, it's just a gimmick. Thanks for your time. Sector 6, here I come!

P.S. Personally I think Edge stinks. I think he got respect from a lot of people for jumping off a ladder. His mic skills are weak. His gimmick is a joke. Did anyone see his "celebration" that....um....ahem...Cena interrupted? I think it is a mistake to give him the belt...unless...unless you are going to give it to him until somebody runs over him..like Umaga or DX HHH or somebody that would just beat him until the fans felt it. Then...then give the belt to Edge.

P.P.S. He sucks. Have a good night folks!

 

[Zoltaire]

Clean cut isn't really code for anything other than to say John Cena looks preppy rather than a all gangster or rapper. A rapper with a crew cut and whom is clean shaven just looks wrong. He looks like he could easily be a member of the Spirit Squad. To be fair I also thought Goldberg was pretty lame. As for the Rock and Austin, they had a fairly wide array of moves they sprinkled in occasionally. I supose the difference is - people wanted to see the Stunner, the Rock Bottom or the People's Elbow.

People see the F-U and just say "F-OFF Cena". Maybe little kids like him but I don't think his appeal carries over well into the adult segment of the audience.

As for Edge, I disagree I find his promos to be amusing. He has a fairly slimy IC persona that's over the top and narcistic. He's also paid his dues, worked his way to the top and shown a willingness to engage in all kinds of matches, singles, tags, hardcore etc. And yes, Edge's gimmick is a joke - its suposed to be. But then so is Cena's on the other hand, his isn't suposed to be funny.

 

[The Masked Vato]

Hi...I think "clean cut" is code for something that nobody wants to say. He looks preppy in throwback jerseys and chains around the neck area? Maybe I'm thinking of another kind of preppy. Nobody is telling me! Should he have cornrows?! I think the idea of Cena not being able to pull off a rapper because of his hair cut is silly. Look at "Feminem". If you put that buttwipe in a suit, he wouldn't look like a rapper either. Hmmm...I thought I said a couple times before that Cena is not supposed to be a gangsta. Hmmm...I need to go back and re-read my posts. Gangsta? Gangsta? Ice Cube is doing family movies....and he looks the same as his NWA days, so I just don't get what you guys are talking about. He's not supposed to be a gangsta, but he's trying to be and doesn't look it. Confusing. I also commented on the Rock and Stone Cold before. I hate to bring SCSA into this because I liked him. Like I said though....the Rock became Megaman, and started using moves of people that he had faced. It was totally lame. Rock was supposed to be this awesome athlete, but, to me, it did NOT translate in the ring. In my estimation, if you discount the Rock's stint as Megaman, Cena has more moves(even though he doesn't do every one in every match) than both of them. When you say "people", I'm guessing you mean you. John Cena does have fans. They may not be "traditionalists".....that is a freaking joke. Traditionalists? Just say it for Pete's sake! These traditionalists, as Jim Ross likes to put it, are marks for themselves. That I do not understand. You watch a match that lasts more than 3 minutes and you are traditionalists? You get the crowd to start a stupid chant and you are traditionalist? That traditionalist tag is a joke. There are real wrestling fans who can watch a match, and if it was good, they'll say it was good. In turn, if it was bad, they'll say that too. They don't need to prove how freaking "smart" they are by counting moves and disavowing the genuineness of gimmicks. They are just fans. Hell, you know what you are in for when you watch WWE....gimmicks. So why are you guys acting like Vince, Cena, or whoever is hurting your feelings? People see the "F-U" and cheer or boo. Cena has fans. Some adults are fans of his too! It's true. Women and kids usually fit his fan demographic, but occasionally an adult male will cheer for Cena...unless he wants to be ostracized for not cheering for HHH. With all this defending of Cena, he at least needs to make me his "hype man". I could be the next AAE. I need to change my name to something with an "R" though, so I could roll it.
Edge....did you hear me sigh? His promos are whiny. They are a little narcissistic, but why? He's a guy that jumps off ladders. I may be being hard on him, but harder dues have been paid by better wrestlers. I'm not talking about jumping off a ladder either. I just don't like him, and I don't think he is funny....unless you mean him trying to get that "Rated R" thing over because that is funny. Why do you think Edge's gimmick is supposed to be a joke? The only reason you guys think Cena's gimmick is a joke is because you don't understand it. You keep calling him gangsta. You keep calling him clean cut. You say he doesn't show in the ring, but don't account for the "WWE style". You just don't get it...and I don't get you guys. Am I typing in Japanese? I clearly explained things. Maybe I'm in the Twilight Zone...with Chris Tucker, and nobody can understand the words coming out of my mouf....or maybe I'm in Bizarro World where people seem to understand, but after listening to you for a while, they just burst out with "get superman!" In any event, I hope you guys have a great evening. I'm going to play SD vs Raw 2006, which by the way, sucks! Sector 6, here I come!

 

[Akine82]

No john Cena need to disapear for a few months let all the wwe (brainwashed) Fans forget what a wrestling match can be like

Now in case you cant feel the sarcasm i just told you

i am not a fan of John Cena( i see Goldberg in him and i hate Goldberg-type charecters , now before you rip me a new one, shut the fuck up!

 

[The Masked Vato]

OMG! You just told me! I can't really reply because you didn't really say anything, so I'm gonna talk about your commenting skills. First, you need to go back to school and learn syntax. Maybe, you could get hooked on phonics or something. Heck, I'd be willing to shill out a few bucks if it meant you would start posting in standardized English.
You see Goldberg in Cena? Where? They DO both have the letter "e" in their names. I guess you got me there. As for them as wrestlers, you have got to be kidding me!
And lastly, cursing at someone you can't debate with is a sign of a true "internet bully". I'm scared. Your sarcasm blew my mind, and your internet prescence is unbelivable. Seriously though, you make 3rd grade comments, and it is obvious that you are the one that is brainwashed. You need Jesus in your life.....or a book...and you, my friend, are the one that needs to shut up. That's my opinion though, and I could be wrong. Am I? Give me a call at 1-800-lactose and speak on it. That's my time! Thanks for playing!

Your friend
Capcom

 

[kiren134]

OK, I know I'm older than you, I have had 2 jobs in the past year. And that isn't the point. The point is, Cena is a big man, he can intimidate anyone on the creative staff. Lets say he does this telling them he wants to say better, cooler things. They turn him into Vince's office and he has a little "pow wow" with Cena. Cena then threatens to quit WWE cause he knows he could find work at TNA (or for that matter, the UFC since he's such a great "Fighter") and will walk out of WWE with the title. So yeah, it can be done. In fact, I don't know why he hasn't done it yet, cause not a lot of people like him anymore, TNA would know how to use him, and know to turn him heel as soon as he got there. Look what it did to Christian Cage, heel in WWE, no one liked him. Face in TNA, everyone is all over him. Maybe all Cena needs is to turn Heel, idk, get caught raping Trish Stratus or somthing, just anything to turn him heel.

lmao, you're proposing Cena intimidate and threaten the WWE into getting what he wants? Ha! No offence, but no wonder you've had two jobs in the past year...

I really hope your not as old as you say you are FLUFF. Honestly, if you've held two jobs in the last year, its scary. At least they had the sense to fire you. I HATE cena with a passion, ABSOLUTELY can't stand watching him - but I wouldn't let my hatred of him blind me from supporting people like you. You need to grow up.

 

[Kasey]

What I don't like about Cena is that yes, his repertoire in the ring is very limited. Also, I think he is another guy that suffers from slow-movement-syndrome like Hogan, Undertaker, Batista, and Kane. He doesn't move fast enough or have enough explosiveness and agility in the ring to make stuff look as good as it should. Wrestlemania 20-22 were ruined by Cena's presence. Look at the crowd during WM 21. Kurt Angle and Shawn Michaels should've been the main event. They woke up that crowd and turned them insane. When Cena and JBL hit the ring, the crowd was almost put into a coma. Then Batista made it worse. Cena's another product of modern TV wrestling. He only has an arsenal of moves that can run matches for about ten minutes or so (even if he happens to keep the crowd into it somehow). He's as green as Batista and Kane are in that respect. That's why guys like Triple H (even though he's a d-bag) keep getting the belt (aside from the fact he bones Stephanie). I remember the days when you felt jipped if the main event at a PPV was under twenty minutes. Even shaved apes like Hogan and Warrior could go for forty minutes and keep the crowd into it. And they were as far from technical as you can get. I have no problem with Cena as far as his gimmick goes. A gimmick is just a gimmick and I HAVE to tell myself that whenever I watch any of McMahon's shows. WWE is missing a great opportunity by letting Edge wear the strap and having him supplant Triple H as the top heel. He can work, plus he pisses the crowd off effortlessly. These kind of guys are what the company should be built around. The ones who can work. Not just the gimmicks. Then again, you're talking about the cumulative problem with the WWE...and that's another story altogether. I do like Cena's promos as of late, though. Especially when he does a Triple H impression. That's some funny s**t.

 

[Zoltaire]

So his fan base is mostly women who cheer for Randy Orton for the same reason, because they find him to be good looking, and small children because they're told "he's the good guy". I'm not entirely sure those are terribly compelling signs, given that on the one hand the chicks who cheer from him would cheer for any guy with looks and a physique who got sufficient camera time. While children would also cheer for anyone else they were told they were suposed to cheer for.

As for "not getting his gimmick" he's a rapper? Yes, that's his entrance music. Aside from that "rap music" has a sweet lot of nothing to do with anything he's done recently. He's try to pull a rebel, loose cannon sort of angel and he pretty much sucks at it. I dislike Cena for the same reason I disliked JBL, the Big Show, Mark Henry, and the Great Khali. They're boring, they're not interesting to see wrestle. Cena has a limited number of moves, he's not a huge guy yet you almost never see him do any sort of ariel maneauver - the only time I've seen him go anywhere near the ropes is when the fans jeered the hell out of him at ONS. I've never seen Cena in one match that I've been impressed with the entertainment value of the match. The Rock and Austin could carry matches, and entire shows..Cena just takes up time.

 

[hopico]

cena suck

 

[The Masked Vato]

So his fan base is mostly women who cheer for Randy Orton for the same reason, because they find him to be good looking, and small children because they're told "he's the good guy". I'm not entirely sure those are terribly compelling signs, given that on the one hand the chicks who cheer from him would cheer for any guy with looks and a physique who got sufficient camera time. While children would also cheer for anyone else they were told they were suposed to cheer for.

As for "not getting his gimmick" he's a rapper? Yes, that's his entrance music. Aside from that "rap music" has a sweet lot of nothing to do with anything he's done recently. He's try to pull a rebel, loose cannon sort of angel and he pretty much sucks at it. I dislike Cena for the same reason I disliked JBL, the Big Show, Mark Henry, and the Great Khali. They're boring, they're not interesting to see wrestle. Cena has a limited number of moves, he's not a huge guy yet you almost never see him do any sort of ariel maneauver - the only time I've seen him go anywhere near the ropes is when the fans jeered the hell out of him at ONS. I've never seen Cena in one match that I've been impressed with the entertainment value of the match. The Rock and Austin could carry matches, and entire shows..Cena just takes up time.

Hi.....Yes, I would say that that is the make-up of most of the demographic of Cena's fans, but I would have to see his merchandise sales to say anything for sure. The fact that wrestling pulls in a mainly male demographic of young adult to adult would make me think that Cena has some adult male fans. I don't think that somebody could survive as champ merely because "some chicks liked him". I think Cena has the "MC Hammer syndrome".....everybody hates him, but somebody had to put him on top(and I'm positive it wasn't just women and children).

Cena used to be a rebel. Now he is some sort of "against all odds hero", which I think is a huge mistake. How is he supposed to get or stay over like that? WWE is messing up big time. I agree that Cena has nothing to do with rapping as of late. Actually, I don't think I remember too much "rap" out of him since Smackdown, where he premiered that awful video. His gimmick is getting blurred, and a lot of people are getting confused(mostly the guys because as you stated before, women and children don't really care). This is why he can't carry shows. I don't think it is necessarily because of his number of moves or the fact that he doesn't go to the tope rope. Guys don't know what to cheer for, so they boo. "Is he a gangsta? Is he a rapper? Is he a rebel? What in the hell is he?!" With Rock and Stone Cold, you knew what you were getting. Stone Cold was a beer swilling, back talking, in your face, don't give a damn what you say redneck...and that was the bottom line. Rock was a "world class trash talker" who could work the hell out of two moves. He wasn't "methodical" in the ring. He was more fluid which made him look more athletic....if you smell all of that. Those are clear. You know what you are cheering for. That's why they could carry shows. I don't think any match with the Rock was great, but with him and Stone Cold, the fans were totally into their respective gimmicks, so you wanted to see what happens next, and what they would do. All those guys you mentioned, are suffering from the same ailment, the WWE doesn't know what to do with them or their gimmick is not fully defined or over, and that is why they are boring. You don't care about their stories. You are not compelled to watch their matches because you were not sure going in what the hell was going on. If Stone Cold never did that elbow or a superplex, you wouldn't care. You wanted to know what would happen to him. You had vested interest in the wrestler. Cena is not like that. His gimmick has fallen off. He wrestles on the strength of, like, 3 moves, and that alone is not enough to get it in the wrestling biz. That's why people like Edge. Sure he sucks, but his character is defined. A whiny guy that wants to be Edgy and who jumps off of ladders. I think he is a cheap Jericho knock-off, but that is just me. Speaking of Jericho, I don't think Edge has half the charisma that Jericho did. I think people are looking for somebody to cheer on Raw, and that guy is the...um...turd that just keeps coming back. A note on my last comment. I don't think Edge can carry the jock of the guy who a similar statement like that was made about. You know who I'm talking about. I still don't think people understand Cena's rapper thing, and they probably never will if he never actually raps or does anything "thuggish". Dr. of thuganomics? Meh. They still call him that even though he is being nice as of late. I understand why you guys are confused. I feel your pain, brothers and sisters. Pass the collection plate and have a nice day. Sector 6, here I come!

 

[robertthechip]

i am not a cena fan any more i was at first but then he soured on me big time. i can understand why the wwe keeps him at the top it is all about the money. most people have kids and kids buy into the tough man crap just as they see it.if the wwe makes him look tough the kids would buy into it.if tthe wwe gives him a gay spinner belt then just something more for the kids to want to buy.bottomline (i have 4 kids trust me i know what i am sayin)kids will suck a parent dry of money,no matter what it is if it's marketed right then a kid will eat it up.my kids love cena i have already had to by three f'n figures(one for each kid who is old enuff to care)anyway that being said CENA is just there to make vince money

 

[rkolover09]

I wanna know seriously, why the Smark community is so hard on John Cena, his ring skills are not that bad, if you looked at his set list of moves, he is just as versatile has Batista (who I think is overated anyways) in the ring. I can understand you bashing him, because of his stupid Babyface story turn, but bashing the cat for his ring skills is a little harsh. He is not as bad as you guys make him out to be. I wanna know seriously, with valid points why you guys bash him so much

it is an easy answer...cena is OVERRATED!!
he gets to much tv time and they really need to get a new champion

 

[Zoltaire]

I won't disagree that Jericho was probably more entertaining to watch than Edge. Although towards the end of his run in the WWE Jericho became the superstar known as Jobbercho where he went from undisputed champion to losing to midcarders all the time. I'd love to see him back as I always thought he Austin and the Rock were the best talents the WWE had in recent memory. But I believe he's doing movies, tv and plays so I doubt that a return is likely.

Although truthfully I don't think Edge is stealing Jericho's gimmick. I'm pretty sure being an arrogant asshole is fairly pan-heel in its application. And yea, Edge doesn't have Jericho's charisma. But on the other hand he's still an agile athlete who has pretty good mic skills, and gives a good match. He's always been rather commical too whether heel or face so I always deem that to be a plus.

 

[stthegreat]

it is an easy answer...cena is OVERRATED!!
he gets to much tv time and they really need to get a new champion

he gets to much tv time??? are you serious me and my boys were just talking about how he only comes out at the end of raw... this is the thing... his gimmick isn't a rapper anymore if it was he would still come out and do his freestyles that are already written... he is supposed to be an urban type character...

 

[The Masked Vato]

Ok, he is supposed to be a thug now(I think the against all odds guy, but what do I know?). Paul Heyman was really selling it hard on Monday. Wrestlezone is the "I hate Cena club". I thought you knew.

 

[D_GenerationX]

His fued with JBL sucked, he went up and beat a fat man who never shoulda had the title. Then, his fued with Jericho was even worse seeing as Jericho is a much better wrestler than Cena. not gonna give any reasons, it just did, and I blame Edge AND Cena for that. And yes, i heard the boos, he sucked, he still does. I still heard and saw "CHAIN GANG MEMBERS" cheering him and whatnot. So he still has the majority fooled.

cena sucks
never should've won the title
that spinner is gay as hell
don't agree with what u said about jbl. though
jericho is a better wrestler then cena
but then again who isn't

 

[The Masked Vato]

His fued with JBL sucked, he went up and beat a fat man who never shoulda had the title. Then, his fued with Jericho was even worse seeing as Jericho is a much better wrestler than Cena. not gonna give any reasons, it just did, and I blame Edge AND Cena for that. And yes, i heard the boos, he sucked, he still does. I still heard and saw "CHAIN GANG MEMBERS" cheering him and whatnot. So he still has the majority fooled.

cena sucks
never should've won the title
that spinner is gay as hell
don't agree with what u said about jbl. though
jericho is a better wrestler then cena
but then again who isn't

Are you quoting somebody? Talking to yourself? Or what? I like the fact that the person you quoted or you or the voices in your head said that you/he won't give any reasons. it goes along with the other knuckle dragger/slope brow replies on this forum. In any event, kudos.

 

[virginpusher]

I dont like Cena but i can be honest here.

His Mic skills are good. Not the best but they are up there and alot better than alot of the roster.

As of this point he is marketable and we have to remember that this is a business. Of course vinnie is going to want to push the sales aspect which is why i see them keeping him as a face.

Does his in-ring work need to be diversified? Absolutely. But then again everyone could should freshen up there set list. It would keep the matches more interesting.

His gimmick is questionable at best. (again just my opinion). I cant stand this little ebonic twang that follows everything he says. But thats just me. I hate it in real life situations so that crosses over here.

I think they might have pushed him to early on in his career. WWE has done that. Brock was pushed too soon (he still looked green in the ring), Orton and even Cena. There would some midcarders that should have got the push but thats politics for ya.

If we dont like Cena can you blame us? But at the same time i realize that its not his fault. I think he is a watereddown version of the "badass" gimmick. But whatelse can you say.... the bar is been set pretty high. Guys like Austin and the Rock were quite something else....and now they have to top that. Its not going to be easy.

When it comes down to it... its pretty much the fault of the suits in the back.

These are just my .02 cents.