orton is now becoming a 2nd version of cena in his role, can we see a cena heel turn?

[nish2231995]

orton seeing to become a 2nd version of cena as the face of smackdown has, and i stress this completely, made cena able to turn heel, which if i may speak for everybody, wants to see. with this in mind, id make orton make regular appearances on raw and smackdown to elevate his role as edge 2.0, and cena 2.0.

The thing is here is do wwe want to scratch entertaining the little kids in pg format? or is this the time for someone relatively new to take wwe to new heights, and no im not talking about rey, i think its his time to put great rivalries with more midcard talent much like he put del rio over in his first feud and with rhodes at wm (why rhodes lost amazes me at er)

I say run the risk. after viewing a recent chairshot episode, ive discovered that wwe stock has shed more then 50 % of worth since a few years back, and we all as the wwe universe need a break from cena becoming toooo exposed to us, it makes the internet sick.

i by no means am a wrestling guru with a small name in the wrestling online community, but can stamp this idea as a must for wwe, they'd go for it as a 1/10000000000 chance of happening, but like i said, we need a break from this crap.

and if a cena heel turn occurs, if the wwe want a face for the company for the kiddies to look upto, heres my vote for kofi kingston.

all thoughts and ideas are greatly welcome.

 

[biziorek]

dont put so much thought into it haha! watch tna if you don't want to watch kiddie crap! and i dont think cena will everrrrr do a proper full on heel turn ever again but i do admit that if he did i would probably start watching wwe again!

 

[Pepperami]

Kofi Kingston is just as stale as Cena and he is nowhere near the superstar that Cena is.

Cena doesn't need to be heel because he is one of the only superstars to have fans and haters. A heel turn for Cena would harm the company greatly. Kids would lose faith in the company, meaning the company loses a lot of money. Not to mention that Cena is the WWE Champion. What reason does he have for turning into an asshole so quickly?

A heel Cena is tiresome subject. There are too many threads about it already.

Face Cena = Money, whether you like him or not. Also, if Cena turned heel, I personally would a lot less interested in Rock / Cena at WM28.

 

[Cookie14]

i stress this completely, made cena able to turn heel, which if i may speak for everybody, wants to see.

I don't want to see a Cena heel turn. That would be more boring than watching him as he is now, because at least now there are people he can fued with. Punk, Del Rio, Miz are all top level heels but there isn't another face on that same level.

Let Orton do what he wants on SD, he can be either face or heel and there are people for him to fued with, and he can help to elevate younger talent. But please, for the love of God, can we stop with all of the demands to turn Cena heel!!!

 

[Jannetty4Life]

The Mizz is where it's at people. Cena has no direction heel or face. The Mizz is oozing with as much machismo as Razor Ramon in his prime. Cena is basically a poor man's Iron Mike Sharpe at best. And I'm talking compulsive showering here people.

 

[MizMark11]

I hope you're not serious. If Cena went heel then there would be only Mysterio, Big Show and JoMo to feud with on Raw. There would be no point right now.

 

[VABurghman]

orton seeing to become a 2nd version of cena as the face of smackdown has, and i stress this completely, made cena able to turn heel, which if i may speak for everybody, wants to see. with this in mind, id make orton make regular appearances on raw and smackdown to elevate his role as edge 2.0, and cena 2.0.

Well, I am glad you aren't speaking for everyone because I like Cena in his current role. But, with all of the crossover of "Brands" that we have anyway, I again ask the question why brands are even necessary. Once again, with all of the crossovers that take place, the WWE would be better off to combine the rosters into a single show.

 

[Azane]

Orton is a completely different character from Cena.
I really can't see why entertaining the crowd, and being the top guy means they're a carbon copy of Cena?

Cena turning heel is going to alienate more fans than the IWC (hint; we're actually quite a niche group)
The only thing that overexposes guys like Cena and Orton, are the pages of posts hating on the popular guys (Notice that there have been 14 topics about Orton beating Christian in the last 4 days). Spending the entire weekend reading these forums will overexpose anyone who's beat the IWC favorites, Hell Zack Ryder is overexposed right now.

Good guys and Bad guys fighting, good guys winning through talent, ability, and crowd support, heels winning by cheating, interference, or cheap tactics.
This is Wrestling, and Sport Entertainment. If you want a break from wrestling; Turn off the television for a couple weeks. Come back with a fresh mind and not thinking like the IWC's collective 'intelligence' and you'll enjoy the product.

Just because there's no blood or naked women doesn't mean the product isn't enjoyable for adults. Sure there's segments targetting specific young demographics, but can you honestly tell me that the WWE is trying to alienate anyone with 2 digits in their age?

Cena will turn heel. Someday, somehow. The problem now; Everyone is calling it, and of course when it happens... The same people who expected Cena to turn heel in 2008, and said it every match will complain about how predictable the product is.

Kofi is a career midcarder. Creative still can't get his racist gimmick to the right side of the world, is he supposed to still be Jamaican, you know with the Last name, and the Jamaican flag flying, while they announce that he's from Africa? Kofi just seems like this generations Koko.

Sheamus is the guy that I see being the superheel in the near future, he's been struggling a lot lately, but he can look legit in the ME out of nowhere.

When/If WWE decides Cena's turning heel, it needs to be unexpected, and it needs to (To quote Del Rio) "Make little kids cry *wink*". Hogan's heel turn would of been shit on by the IWC because of how predictable it was, and how stale his character was. Then again, because the IWC wasn't a large enough presence; that Heel turn is epic and probably the definition of heel turn in most fans that witnessed it's minds. I hope Cena turns heel at an opportune time, but then again, the IWC will like him and start cheering for him magically the second he turns.

 

[MinistryofDeath89]

Im a big Randy Orton fan but I think he's much better as a heel in my opinion, when he was a heel he was properly the best heel in the WWE well he's up there with Y2J & Edge. But the think is the only I can see John Cena becoming a heel is when he faces The Rock next year at WM28. When that match is over he will go back to been face, as we all know Randy Orton & John Cena are the two Top dog's in the WWE at the moment and both in there prime, I would love to see John Cena turning heel when he's facing the rock and going back to this old rapper character when he first came into the WWE. But yes it is PG rating and Thug Cena character is TV14, but if ever notice the WWE kind of goes back to TV14 around Mania time so I would love to see Thug life Cena vs The Great one The Rock next year.

 

[SuperSteve16]

Randy Orton has a completely different character than John Cena and how has he became John Cena 2.0. Orton still only does things that benefit him, and doesn't try to please the crowd nowhere much as Cena. Just because Orton is a face, your comparing him to Cena (by the way I dont see Orton staying face forever, but thar is a topic for another day). Plus the simple fact that John Cena won't be turning heel anytime soon and hasn't for the past three years is because he draws, he is the biggest name in the company, plain and simple. Anything the wwe brings out with the name John Cena sells out in a short amount of time, as a company why would the WWE want to change that. The only way that this could happen would be in cenas feud with the rock but if that happens, it would only be a short term thing. The fact is, while some of the IWC wants him to turn him heel, I don't, the parents don't and the little cena fans don't want him too. At the end of the day, the kids and the parents spends the most money towards the WWE.

 

[wushady]

orton seeing to become a 2nd version of cena as the face of smackdown has, and i stress this completely, made cena able to turn heel, which if i may speak for everybody, wants to see. with this in mind, id make orton make regular appearances on raw and smackdown to elevate his role as edge 2.0, and cena 2.0.

The thing is here is do wwe want to scratch entertaining the little kids in pg format? or is this the time for someone relatively new to take wwe to new heights, and no im not talking about rey, i think its his time to put great rivalries with more midcard talent much like he put del rio over in his first feud and with rhodes at wm (why rhodes lost amazes me at er)

I say run the risk. after viewing a recent chairshot episode, ive discovered that wwe stock has shed more then 50 % of worth since a few years back, and we all as the wwe universe need a break from cena becoming toooo exposed to us, it makes the internet sick.

i by no means am a wrestling guru with a small name in the wrestling online community, but can stamp this idea as a must for wwe, they'd go for it as a 1/10000000000 chance of happening, but like i said, we need a break from this crap.

and if a cena heel turn occurs, if the wwe want a face for the company for the kiddies to look upto, heres my vote for kofi kingston.

all thoughts and ideas are greatly welcome.

They moved Orton to Smackdown to be the face of that brand as Cena is the face of Raw. How would that possibly free up Cena to turn heel? I'm very confused by your logic. If they were still on the same brand it would make more sense. Orton is the top face of Smackdown now. There's no one on Raw anywhere near ready to take Cena's spot.

 

[nerd4life]

The Mizz is where it's at people. Cena has no direction heel or face. The Mizz is oozing with as much machismo as Razor Ramon in his prime. Cena is basically a poor man's Iron Mike Sharpe at best. And I'm talking compulsive showering here people.

please tell me your kidding?

Cenas this generations hogan austin rocky. Maybe not on there level but hes almost there.

Miz is just a wanabe whiny little bitch. is title run was boring with no clean victories other then beating a old man king. EVery match either A rye interferes or miz cheats somehow its so stupid. Miz is garbage thank god he aint champ no more.

and thank god THE CHAMP IS HERE!!!! long live CENA!!!!!!! llol

 

[Jannetty4Life]

please tell me your kidding?

Cenas this generations hogan austin rocky. Maybe not on there level but hes almost there.

Miz is just a wanabe whiny little bitch. is title run was boring with no clean victories other then beating a old man king. EVery match either A rye interferes or miz cheats somehow its so stupid. Miz is garbage thank god he aint champ no more.

and thank god THE CHAMP IS HERE!!!! long live CENA!!!!!!! llol

Irregardless.....Cena can't cheat because he lacks the brain cells to get the job done. There is an art to getting the cheap wins. Mizz has the total package here people. Cena is a one trick pony who wears cute T-Shirts. Until then.....I'll be posting up right here people.

 

[Minecrafted]

People, jannetty4Life is a troll. Plain and simple. Ignore him for your own good, don't feed the trolls and let them get to you. Right now Orton is not Cena 2.0. Hes just the biggest superstar on smackdown right now. WWE needed to ffill the void edge left, so there he is

 

[thedon2001]

Why don't people understand that CENA is the face of this company, they're not turning him heel for the millionth time. He's the Hulk Hogan of this generation whether some people agree or not. He has the largest fan base since Hogan, he brings in more buys than any other wrestler and he gets more cheers and boos than a heel and a face combined. McMahon has a golden ticket with John Cena like it or not.

If fans are lookings for the raw edgy wrestling of the 90's it's not gonna happen in the WWE for a longggggg time. They are PG rated because: 1. It makes more money, 2. They need big sponsers for their planned WWE TV channel, and 3. Because i wouldnt be suprised to see Linda run for office again. No matter how much people scream for more edgy material or for Cena to turn heel it's not going to happen, go watch TNA.

 

[CianH08]

I literally made an account just to tell you this...

In the next 3-5 years there is ZERO chance of John Cena turning heel.

He makes them far too much money. If they were gonna they would have at last years Summerslam when it was discussed.

 

[TheNewStyle]

John Cena might have had a chance to turn heel when The Rock came back but since he's the kiddies heroes, there's absolutely no chance it happens and since Raw has become heavily crowded with a heel-dominated roster, the chance is even slimmer than before. Randy Orton moved to Smackdown just to become the face of that brand, not Cena 2.0 or whatever.

 

[Karaoke Superstar]

Right now WWE is not in a good position to turn Cena face. Back in WCW Hulk Hogan, the biggest babyface of all time shocked the world and turned heel forming the nWo. This was one of the iconic moments in wrestling, and WCW was getting great ratings. The difference is, right now WWE doesn't have the stars that they had. WCW had guys like Sting, Savage, Goldberg ready to take the wheel from Hogan. WWE has very few people ready to take over for Cena, and even worse is that they are spread over two rosters. The real problem is WWE's huge dependence on Cena to draw and sell merchandise. Until they are in a better position, me you and the rest of the adult fans will have to bare with it.

 

[Papi Chulo]

Why don't people understand that CENA is the face of this company, they're not turning him heel for the millionth time. He's the Hulk Hogan of this generation whether some people agree or not. He has the largest fan base since Hogan, he brings in more buys than any other wrestler and he gets more cheers and boos than a heel and a face combined. McMahon has a golden ticket with John Cena like it or not.

He absolutley does not have the largest fan base since Hulk Hogan. That's ridiculous. He's only been heel once. PPV buys are way down and nothing for Cena to be proud about and the "face" of the company getting booed and cheered is not a good thing. What if when Hogan was slamming Andre at WMIII he had half the crowd shouting Hogan Sucks!?

Also thank you jannety4life! You are a breath of fresh air to these forums.

 

[Minecrafted]

"He absolutley does not have the largest fan base since Hulk Hogan. That's ridiculous. He's only been heel once. PPV buys are way down and nothing for Cena to be proud about and the "face" of the company getting booed and cheered is not a good thing. What if when Hogan was slamming Andre at WMIII he had half the crowd shouting Hogan Sucks!?"


Ok well what you need to realize is that Cena is the best the WWE has at this point in time, the Miz is far to green with only one title run, Orton is carrying smackdown, HHH is barely there, taker is pretty much retired and most of the "legends" that you love are gone. John Cena is one of the best WWE has at this point in time and whether you like him or not he is there. And please can you at least try to stay on topic? Orton is not Cena 2.0, hes a face because the fans made him a face but i think he prefers to be heel.


ps, that last sentence you wrote there served to inform me that your opinion is not worth hearing

 

[Trill Co$by]

John Cena will NEVER EVER go heel. Face it, the times aren't the same as they were in the 90s. Sure, Hogan's heel turn was big, but it was that heel turn that led to many of failures that killed WCW (which bischoff did, as much as a he built it, but that's other topics). Cena being heel is a 100% myth and will never happen. Why people ever think it will is beyond me.

As it has been mentioned, Cena is the cash cow for the WWE's main audience. That main audience will dictate heel turns. That main audience wants Cena to stay a good guy and stick up for what is right, and that audience will get their wish. And until that audience becomes matched or beaten by a different audience, there won't be a heel Cena. So stop making threads about it.

As for Orton, Vince is simply making money on cash cow number 2. I see nothing wrong with that. If you've got two top guys and there's two shows with a top title on each one, obviously, you're going to give those top two titles to your top two guys so you can build two or four future top guys.

 

[krazyd]

no we wont...cena is far to valuable for him to turn heel...its been talked about but im sure it wont happen...UNLESS!! at wrestlemania the rock makes him turn heel...kinda like hogan vs rock that same type of deel where the fans just wont let cena be the face haha..that could happen and it is the only way it will happen

 

[timber123]

Cena makes no sense turning heel now cause to many heels as is and not enough good faces. everything wwe does has purpose to it. we already saw Cena fu the rock after he beat down miz and riley. in his somewhat fued with Rock. What would a heel turn mean just means haters might cheer him and kids will boo him just reverses and changes nothing. If anything Cena's heel turn will come close to end of his wrestling career or until faces grow in the company for him to have a legit fued

 

[timber123]

u look at when Jericho left how many times i thought Jericho would actually be a good guy and help Cena more with Nexus u always had a feeling something would happen then he left for dancing with the stars. now if anything you would think Jeriicho comes back as a face. maybe

 

[NoBloodEra]

I hate debating about this, he might and he probably will not. To many Dollar Signs if you keep Cena face. That is, until the little generation grows up in saaay 3 or 4 years, then they are to old to care if Cena is face or heel, then we can have fun watching Cena as a heel, but for now we got to suck it up and scream "Cena SUCKS!!"