Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
If they haven't faced each other before, the better wrestler would obviously be booked to win a one off right? It's not like we are booking feuds here.
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If they haven't faced each other before, the better wrestler would obviously be booked to win a one off right? It's not like we are booking feuds here.
If we were voting kayfabe then constant losers like Jericho would do damn well as they tend to excel in tournament format. Most of the time when comparing W/L there is good cause to vote either way, so I vote the better worker, Undertaker vs Savage, I vote Savage. Etc.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Kayfabe you aren't booking anything. Also, the criteria you mentioned in your last post is 1 of 1000s of possible reasons this isn't necessarily true anyway.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
If Piper can't beat Edge. Well I'll be upset, I'll leave it at that.
My voting criteria is a big coctail of things depending on who is involved. It involved booking and kayfabe, but also quality, longevity, ring work, mic work and more, and then setting all of those things up against a time chart. The ratio of importance obviously ranges greatly through time. Mic work didn't really matter back in the 60s, but without it these days, you're not likely to get over. What got you over in one time period might not work in another, sticking Lou Thesz in 1999 WWF might make him flop, similarly with Jericho in 1967.
It's a careful combination of things, and the best people seem to do well all round throughout the categories. If someone is exceptionally good or bad in one particular category, though, it can carry them through. Ie someone like Benoit can do well in this tournament because of his ring work being so good even though his charisma was low for a big star. Comprende homies?
My voting criteria is a big coctail of things depending on who is involved. It involved booking and kayfabe, but also quality, longevity, ring work, mic work and more, and then setting all of those things up against a time chart. The ratio of importance obviously ranges greatly through time. Mic work didn't really matter back in the 60s, but without it these days, you're not likely to get over. What got you over in one time period might not work in another, sticking Lou Thesz in 1999 WWF might make him flop, similarly with Jericho in 1967.
It's a careful combination of things, and the best people seem to do well all round throughout the categories. If someone is exceptionally good or bad in one particular category, though, it can carry them through. Ie someone like Benoit can do well in this tournament because of his ring work being so good even though his charisma was low for a big star. Comprende homies?
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I'd definitely take Piper over Edge, don't even have to think twice about it.
Yoko was so big it was easy to vote for him, Edge lost a shit ton of times and a lot of those guys aren't in Piper's league. Also with both guys having their best years as a heel you gotta go with the more dastardly of the 2 because a match like this would definitely come down to underhanded tactics. Edge was a great heel but Piper was the best.
Yoko was so big it was easy to vote for him, Edge lost a shit ton of times and a lot of those guys aren't in Piper's league. Also with both guys having their best years as a heel you gotta go with the more dastardly of the 2 because a match like this would definitely come down to underhanded tactics. Edge was a great heel but Piper was the best.
So by your criteria then, Edge should go over Piper.
Edge accomplished a lot more then Piper did, what with championships and being the face of Smackdown from about mid 2007 till he retired. Honestly going by kayfabe or going by over all work, Edge should go over.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
Like I said, the ratio of importance of the factors is also important. Even the most stalwart Edge fans would say that he over-achieved (partially due to his gimmick) whereas it's almost unanimous that Piper under-achieved, if we're going solely on titles anyway. Yes, if people were reading the titles win sheet of Wikipedia then Edge is a clear winner, but most people know that Piper was a bigger draw than Edge despite all those title wins, and was the top heel in the company (1984-5) at a point just as you could say Edge was (2006-07). So what I'm saying is that title wins aren't everything, Roddy Piper and Edge being probably the greatest examples of that on polar ends of the scale.
That's why I think it's important to be a bit more intimate with both men's careers when making a decision. I'll save the rest for the thread anyway.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
In that case, nobody better bring up Foley's three titles to Benoit's one (I'm not really counting the one in WCW) as a reason why Foley would win.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Newsflash to Benoit lovers. How many people with concussion issues murder their family? In a sport where concussions were prevalent and drugs were like candy their is only one that stands out. If Jeff Hardy murdered his family would you still be singing remember the good times?
I don't vote against Benoit because he killed a child, I vote against Benoit because he was shit and boring, except for his doozy of a match every so often that he usually lost.
In other news, somebody spelled "hyperbole" as "hyperbowl". That could be amusing for any number of reasons.
In other news, somebody spelled "hyperbole" as "hyperbowl". That could be amusing for any number of reasons.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
I read it as hyperbowl in my head, but speak it as hyperboly.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I would.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
I don't know personally if I would take anything Benoit did outside the ring into account in this, same as I wouldn't with guys like Dynamite Kid or JBL. Only in rare cases where it actually contravened the ring work or professionalism. HBK springs to mind in that regard with his below-the-radar smarky comments or acting like a diva in the ring, although his good outweighs his bad too so it hardly counts.
I don't say remember the good times anyway
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
I vote against him for them same reason but I won't vote for him because of what he did. Even beyond the moral issue, what he did was one of the greatest anti-draws of all-time. I am just tired of this ridiculous idea that the Benoit some people loved had nothing to do with what happened.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Just a little too late for Booker to get the shareholders vote.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
DDP and Baba are tied with the poll closed. I forget what happens now.
Any body else see LaBar on Raw last night. Certainly killed my mood.
Any body else see LaBar on Raw last night. Certainly killed my mood.
Almost certain that was me, was called out by a friend on it years ago and had the term properly explained but still spell it like that through force of habit and a small, not particularly funny running joke "thats hyperbowl man!" *smattering of laughter*
Look, I went to a shit school and failed English okay.
Thriller Ant
Beep Bop Boop
Maybe it was because I didn't grow up with him, but I really don't get the appeal of Undertaker.
