Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Jeff Jarrett was a standard heel who got paired up with one of the most over guys of all time. If Sting doesn't go to TNA, they never would have survived.
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Jeff Jarrett was a standard heel who got paired up with one of the most over guys of all time. If Sting doesn't go to TNA, they never would have survived.
Both of these statements are dead on. Sting + Family money= company saved.
JJ is not as terrible as people make him out to be but it really was more about who he was matched up & who was booking that made him & that inflated his ego. He may have been champ, but was not a big draw in his own company. I always thought that honor went to the supporting cast like surprise guests and the X-Division. He was a good hand when needed, he was a good heel when needed, etc- but he was not a big draw.
That isnt necessarily a bad thing. Some will really overstate how good he was, but he wasnt dreadful. He just took advantage of his situation. Others have done it, HHH has done it- I bet people here would have done it. Who can honestly say that if they ran a promotion, they would not carry the belt a few times?
Difference is that they were good, Jarrett just thought he was & wanted people to believe him.
Jarrett laid the framework, Carter's money & Sting's legendary name kept the doors open. That allowed guys like AJ, Daniels & others to have a platform to show what they got. TNA is now the 2nd biggest in the US because of them- not because Jarrett was a huge draw. So him being in the mix hasnt been a total waste. At least he didnt try to do something insane like keep the belt around his own waist to beat Bruno's record or something.
Fun stuff, right? It's all tied up right now. I haven't voted on that one yet. At first I thought JBL then changed my mind. I like your arguments. You are bringing me back to JBL.
Acolytes, Clothesline from Hell, His WWE title run, beating up a dinosaur.
Much better than:
Harlem Heat, sidekick\breakdancing, All his title runs, Goldust's comedy partner.
Do the right thing & vote for JBL
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I can never figure out what to make of Santo.
Thousands of people don't come to see you for decades if you're lacking in charisma. Thesz wasn't the Rock, but he didn't need to be, because the things he did in the ring were the stories he needed to tell to get people interested. It's about knowing what your audience wants and who you're playing to.
I don't mean charisma solely in the sense we'd use it today, but I mean it in the sense that people are invested in your persona rather than thinking you put on good matches. People wanted to see Thesz, and wanted to see him win. The majority of people who like Benoit were only interested in his matches - a significant amount of people would say his greatest match was the one he lost to Kurt Angle at the Royal Rumble.
With the possible exception of his win at WrestleMania, I don't think Benoit ever made the crowd feel anything except "that was a good match". Thesz would make them feel the emotion during the match, and was quite innovative in things like pacing etc. which are important these days.
Finally, these are two wrestlers who basically achieved identical things. Simmons, for me, is more interesting, partly because he was the first black man to win the world title, but more importantly because he played a number of different characters over the years from his early days, through the Nation, APA and finally being the damn guy, and all of them were over. Benoit's character has always just been "technical wrestler".
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Better Off This Way
Everybody who voted Piper over Yokozuna, give yourselves a pat on the back.
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Lawler's beating Bryan, intelligent wrestling fans prevailing.
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If by intelligent, you mean "the majority of which dont know what the fuck they are talking about" then yes
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Vote AJ over Batista. I want that Hogan AJ match.
Jeff Hardy got more votes than Austin and Hogan this round. I will get him over Andre. The Big Show and Andre are the same person arguments still work right? Where is a ladder stip when you need it.
Jeff Hardy got more votes than Austin and Hogan this round. I will get him over Andre. The Big Show and Andre are the same person arguments still work right? Where is a ladder stip when you need it.
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I don't care how over Lawler was or how much he accomplished, I've seen some old matches and he seems to have the same punch, wait eights seconds, punch, wait eight seconds offense that is too difficult for me to believe in order to believe that Bryan can't just outwrestle him in to submission easily.
Show me some film where he shows some considerable speed or strength and I may buy in but not with what I know.
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What percentage of the voting population do you think reads the arguments? Let alone understands them? Let alone actually gives them consideration?
You and Doc aren't speaking up nearly enough.
In the tournament or in general? I'm just here because I can't help myself when the opportunity to be smarmy arises.
I wouldn't want to be pissing off the guy that lets us do the BZT by bashing his tournament. Sure, the WZT isn't perfect, but it serves its purpose damn well.
Yeah, that's the sort of sharp jab I'm looking for.
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Well seeing as Sheamus is most likely going out this round I guess I'll flock to Lesnar camp and begin the oversaturation of his strength, technical skills, and ties to Paul Heyman since it's in ECW region.
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I think you'd be surprised, at least for the matches not involving current "stars" in WWE.
Not only is the 9 year argument from earlier abysmal, it's also factually wrong.
I have seen an Owen Hart match from 1988 in the WWF. He was the Blue Blazer. He wasn't a jobber, he was on Survivor Series. And then WrestleMania V. He died in 1999. That's 11 years.
Jeff Hardy debuted in 1998.
1998 + 11 = 2009.
In the spoiler is a picture of Jeff in 2009.
I have seen an Owen Hart match from 1988 in the WWF. He was the Blue Blazer. He wasn't a jobber, he was on Survivor Series. And then WrestleMania V. He died in 1999. That's 11 years.
Jeff Hardy debuted in 1998.
1998 + 11 = 2009.
In the spoiler is a picture of Jeff in 2009.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
He has improved his face painting skills immensely. That thing he does with his eyes is way cooler than anything I've seen Owen do.
