[Official] WrestleMania XXV Discussion

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Why does everyone jump to the conclusion that Cena is out of the title picture and its just Edge/Show, and that Hogan is going to wrestle Cena?

Follow this:

1) Vickie is the one that announced Show as the #1 contender. She's a shady type of GM. Her motives are always in question, and she's always the one that has to be wrong in the end.

2) Cena won by DQ. In the old days of even a few months ago, if you won the title match by DQ, you were still the #1 contender. It doesn't erase the #1 contender spot from you.

3) Cena and Big Show had a match where Cena lost. Edge beat Cena for the title. So what's the next logical step? Cena has to beat both guys. This means Cena has to beat Big Show for a chance to get into the match and make it a triple threat, and then at WrestleMania, he needs to pin Edge to win the title back. That's proper storytelling.

4) Hogan has expressed his interest, yeah, but look at the other thing for him to do - Jericho. They're building up this whole legends thing and there's only 2 people that could fill the role of a legend that can beat Jericho. Those two people are Austin and Hogan. Sure, we've heard rumors about Lawler, but c'mon, do you really think the WWE is going to build up to Jericho vs Lawler at WrestleMania XXV? Now if they do a Legends Gauntlet where he beats a lot of older guys, OR if they do a Legends Lumberjack match, Lawler could EASILY fit in with the rest of them like Steamboat and Piper and Snuka, but they're not doing a one-on-one or having Lawler be the guy to beat Jericho.

5) WrestleMania card spots aren't numerous enough this time around. Big Show, Cena, and Edge taking up a championship match makes sure that all three have something to do.

 

[Shocky]

As it stands right now, this is a worse championship situation then at Wrestlemania 2000. The only word that could properly describe the title situations in the WWE is cluster fuck.

Now I know, Orton vs. Triple H is solidified and you know what, I don't care. I watched the promo last night, and was tremendously bored with it. Triple H just isn't that good anymore. Any momentum Orton had from the McMahon feuds has come to a screeching halt with this turn in the angle. It's pretty boring, and I'm really not interested in it. It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't see this feud for the better part of the last year and a half, but I'm guessing in the eyes of the game, he's either going to be the guy that "makes" Orton, or the guy to break Orton, no one else will get that honor.

As far as the World title, who knows. While yes, Edge and Cena have feuded, at least that feud was three years ago. So what we have right now, is Big Show vs. Edge, with Cena out of the title picture. These Hogan rumors are just ridiculous, and people seriously just need to let them go, because as much as I like Hogan, Hogan serves no purpose on this show, especially now with only four week left. That fast forwards us to what could very well be another Triple Threat match.

The Triple Threat match, perhaps the worst thing to happen to professional wrestling...ever. It is sheer laziness in creative. Oh, well we could have Cena vs. Edge, but oh wait, Big Shows not going to be on the card. You know what, how about we make it a Triple Threat, Brilliant. No it's not brilliant, nor creative, in fact, Triple Threat matches are about hte most lazy and obnoxious, uncreative thing you could possibly do. Here you have John Cena, the man of the company, quite possibly two years in a row, not in a one on one match at Wrestlemania. Does anyone else not see a huge problem with that scenario? It's stupid ass booking.

But thankfully where the title matches seem to be a disapointement right now, at least the WWE has come through in the long run. The special attraction match, and the match that will steal the show this year. Mr. Wrestlemania vs. the STreak. Oh yes, there are the typical lot of naysayers already predicting the sub par match, and that the match won't be as good as we make it out to be, but on paper, it's the match of the night to be looking forward to. Two guys that are as synonmous with the Event as anyone in the history of the company, in one ring, it's huge. Personally, it'sa bigger match then The Rock and Hogan could have ever hoped to have been.

 

[Rusty]

You know, I've tried to be excited for this years Wrestlemania, I really have. But it seems like the 2009 Draft has become almost more exciting than Wrestlemania itself. I said right from the beginning, Wrestlemania 25 was the time we finally get to see new main eventers made. People argued that since it is the 25th anniversary of Wrestlemania, we should only get to see the top superstars compete in the main events. I was fine with that, but now it seems my original idea may have been the much better option than what the WWE has planned for us this year.

I'll give them credit for one thing, the build so far to the Triple H vs Randy Orton match has been brilliant, one of the best build ups to a match in a long damn time. There's only one problem with it though: I do not want to actually see the match, since I've seen it 50,000 times already. The WWE Championship is almost an afterthought, which is quite disappointing. But this leads me to my bigger problem: The World Heavyweight Champion picture.

Seriously, why the fuck did Edge have to win the Title at No Way Out? And more so, why the fuck would you have John Cena get his rematch on Raw, only to lose it by DQ. But even worse, the clusterfuck of a man, the Big Show is now the #1 contender for Edge's Title. The smarks are loving it, thinking that Cena won't be in the Championship picture at Wrestlemania. To those pathetic fools I say, how in the holy fuck can Edge vs Big Show be Wrestlemania worthy. Hell, we saw it on Smackdown a few months ago as a regular main event. The WWE could give us Edge vs Kung Fu Fucking Naki at Wrestlemania and they probably won't complain about it

Fuck you WWE. I'm almost begging for a Cena vs Orton and a HHH vs Edge World Title match now. Sure, the IWC got their wish and so did I, Undertaker is wrestling HBK at Wrestlemania. But why in the hell would you have Kozlov lose his "undefeated" streak to Shawn in 10 minutes, losing cleanly via Sweet Chin Music. It wasn't even one of those superkicks that came out of nowhere, it was one of those 30 second hype superkicks that only jobbers fall too.

I don't know about you, but to me, I'd be a lot more interested in seeing John Cena vs Jeff Hardy (World Heavyweight Championship) and Randy Orton vs CM Punk (WWE Championship) as my Wrestlemania 25 main events. Those sound a lot better than those clusterfucks we are going to see this year. However, only one man can save this years Wrestlemania, only one man could win the Title off Edge before the big show and go on to face John Cena at Wrestlemania 25. This man is....

 

[Scott Free]

I'm still on the fence, it's early yet, but they haven't given me anything so far that would make it a must buy event. Everything officially announced so far makes for an average PPV IMHO. How about you ? Plan to already buy the event based on what they announced so far ?

 

[weird86]

OMG are you kidding me?!?! I am SO sold on this! HHH vs Orton 13, Edge vs Big Show (possibly with Cena added), Mark Henry and kane in MITB!

The only thing that doesnt sell me is Taker vs HBK and the apperant Hardy vs Hardy.

Oh God besides the bottom two WWE should pay me to get this PPV. This is a disaster as far as I'm concerned. I hope Jericho faces Austin, but Austin will probably be very rusty.

 

[Scott Free]

I can agree that it's looking like a disaster waiting to happen. They are unsure about what they want to show, and they put re-runs into the main events, and yes, I know some people like to think these matches are "fresh" because of various mechanics that supposedly make them so, but fact is, they are re-runs. Unless they take a chance and try something new, they should pay us to watch the mess.

 

[Shocky]

I must say that I like the original looking card from a few months ago with Triple H vs. Edge and Cena vs. Orton a lot better then the current storyliens are going. Has Wrestlemania 25 sold me, yes it has though. The problem, or my problem it's Wrestlemania, and I always watch Wrestlemania, no matter what. To be honest though, the main events as far as title matches are looking to be disasters in their current states.

I'm sick to death of Orton and Triple H at this point, and the World title match is just as bad as far as clutter is concerned. The Undercard is what is going to save this pay per view at this point,a s I doubt that Orton and Triple H will spike my interest. It's not a knock on Orton, because I think he's interesting, but Triple H in another title match at Wrestlemania essentially repeating the same promos week in and week out isn't enough to sell me.

 

[weird86]

Wrestlemania 25. This SHOULD (key word) of been HUGE!

We could of gotten Edge vs Christian vs Hardy vs Hardy, BUT no "Vince knows what we want" and we get the below instead. I'll start with the reason why I should be paid to watch this.

We get HHH who I'm sure cried and whined his way into getting in a title match. Vince should of put his foot down. A million different options (Orton Edge in particular), BUT just because he is HHH we get Orton vs HHH 13. I am SO sick of HHH. Dont say he didnt cry or plead to be in the main event or a title match because your just kidding yourself and you know he did. If this is the ME and goes after Taker and HBK or/and Jericho and Austin or Hogan then this proves HHH is a whiney baby that wants the ME and Vince doesnt care. He'd rather please HHH then please us. HHH vs Orton 13 doesnt belong on WM 25, it doesnt even belong anymore on a throwaway like Judgement Day as far as I'm concerned. HHH sucks. Orton I'm sure is pissed hes in this. HHH angry is just funny.

Edge and Big Show and possibly Cena. What did Edge do to deserve this? This match will probably suck so bad.

MITB is a joke. Henry and Kane? Ok Kane wont kill it, but Henry. REALLY?!?!?! At least on the next two SD's 3 people who I'm happy about being in it are in it, so maybe it'll be good. Probably one of the worse ones though, but thats not saying it'll be bad still.


Hardy vs Hardy should be pretty good. Good feud, and hopefully maybe a hardcore match

Jericho vs Austin or Hogan. Will be GREAT build, BUT Hogan and Austin are rusty, but I think jericho can make this decent. He can make almost anyone look good. If he goes against Lawler this PPV is a total disaster! Jericho deserves the Rock and Austin and to beat them both as far as I'm concerned at the same time. Kind of like Vengeance 01 but in a triple threat.


Taker vs HBK should be and hopefully is the MAIN EVENT. This needs and should go after HHH Orton 13. These two will steal the show and probably save it.

All in all a DISASTER. This is WM 25, let me repeat THE BIG TWENTY FIVE and has 2 potential show stealers and thats it!!! (HBK vs Taker and Jericho vs Hogan or Austin). If its Jericho vs Lawler then only 1 show stealing match and a disgrace match for Jericho and a total disgrace show

MITB will probably be the worse of the 5 they have had.

Hardy vs Hardy is ok. STOP saying it'll be on SD and it not be on SD. It makes the credibility not seem that of a WM quality match. Will be good, but kind of killed the credibility when they advertise this for a SD match.

 

[kingofmyworld]

You guys are nuts HHH-Orton is gonna be awesome the only thing about it is its gonna settle the current feud they have, but start another one in my eyes depending on how the finish goes.
I'm still on the fence with show being added to the Cena Edge match, but I'm sure it will work itself out.
HBK-Taker and Matt-Jeff should both tear the house down I remember last year saying it be cool if Vince decided to give them guys credit and have a ladder match for the WWE Title, but I'll take this.
MITB could be alot better(Henry and another participant should't be there) but the match is always a guarantee for a couple big spots.
The Jericho match is shaping up to be good eventhough his opponent is TBD, hes one of if not the best true heel in the biz
Then assuming the rest of the card is
Christian-Swagger
Tag Title Unification match
It should be a real good mania as long as the matches hold up to what I'm expecting them to be

 

[Harthan]

We could of gotten Edge vs Christian vs Hardy vs Hardy, BUT no "Vince knows what we want" and we get the below instead. I'll start with the reason why I should be paid to watch this.

So you want a fatal four way between one main event wrestler, two midcarders, and an upper midcarder? Yes, I'm sure that would be so very great. Yes, that's WrestleMania worthy.

We get HHH who I'm sure cried and whined his way into getting in a title match.

Oh, yes, I completely agree. Why in the world would one of the best faces in the business get a WrestleMania title shot? Ludicrous.

Vince should of put his foot down.

Goodness knows we wouldn't want a reliable, excellent, and over performer in a WrestleMania title match.

A million different options (Orton Edge in particular),

Who wouldn't love to see a slapshod main event between two heels with no emotional background at all?

BUT just because he is HHH we get Orton vs HHH 13.

Perhaps the reason it's #13 is because every time they step into the ring, it's that damn good.

I am SO sick of HHH.

I'm really tired of great workers and over faces too. Let's fill the cards with jobbers and fuck ups already.

Dont say he didnt cry or plead to be in the main event or a title match because your just kidding yourself and you know he did.

I know nothing of the sort, actually. There's really no evidence to support he really exerts that much power backstage. I think it's an exaggeration based on his old heel character and his disgruntled rivals spreading rumors.

If this is the ME and goes after Taker and HBK

Yes, I'd much rather see a slapshod dream match with all of 4 weeks buildup instead of one that's been building since early January.

or/and Jericho and Austin or Hogan

Oh, gosh, I'd sure love to see Jericho wrestler a broken down old man in a main event!

then this proves HHH is a whiney baby that wants the ME and Vince doesnt care.

I agree entirely, if you change "whiny baby" to "top performer", "wants" to "deserves" and "doesn't care" to "knows how to book a card a hell of a lot better than you do".

He'd rather please HHH then please us.

That's how that bastard made billions, by pleasing his son-in-law.

HHH vs Orton 13 doesnt belong on WM 25, it doesnt even belong anymore on a throwaway like Judgement Day as far as I'm concerned.

I know. God, I hate it when they give us two top wrestlers who are on fire and put them in a match, with months of build up.

HHH sucks.

Yeah, but he doesn't really, does he?

Orton I'm sure is pissed hes in this.

I'd be pissed too if someone told me I had to main event WrestleMania. Ingrates.

HHH angry is just funny

I find total badasses hilarious too.

Edge and Big Show and possibly Cena. What did Edge do to deserve this?

He must have fucked up big to have to defend the world title at WrestleMania, man.

This match will probably suck so bad.

Imagine we should watch matches before calling their worth.

MITB is a joke. Henry and Kane? Ok Kane wont kill it, but Henry. REALLY?!?!?!

I'm sure two sadistic big men won't add anything to an already brutal gimmick match.

At least on the next two SD's 3 people who I'm happy about being in it are in it, so maybe it'll be good.

I'm so glad to know you're pleased.

Probably one of the worse ones though, but thats not saying it'll be bad still.

I'm not even going to watch it now, if you think it'll be so bad. Thanks for calling that one.

Hardy vs Hardy should be pretty good. Good feud, and hopefully maybe a hardcore match

It would rock, if they hadn't bombed the build up and are now scrambling to get it together.

Jericho vs Austin or Hogan.

Hmm, let me savor two broken old men getting back into the ring...so wonderful.

Will be GREAT build,

Yes, I'm sure they can build it up just stellar in the next four weeks.

BUT Hogan and Austin are rusty, but I think jericho can make this decent. He can make almost anyone look good.

There's nothing like watching someone carry an old man for a real WrestleMania showdown, let me tell you.

If he goes against Lawler this PPV is a total disaster!

At least Jerry is still an occasional wrestler and considering current physical conditions could probably contribute more to the match than either Hogan or Austin.

Jericho deserves the Rock and Austin and to beat them both as far as I'm concerned at the same time. Kind of like Vengeance 01 but in a triple threat.

I'm sure the Rock will come back from an incredibly lucrative acting career to have someone he's already put over to high hell go over him again, and Austin will sacrifice his enormous ego to do the same.

Taker vs HBK should be and hopefully is the MAIN EVENT. This needs and should go after HHH Orton 13. These two will steal the show and probably save it.

Yes. Let's have a non title dream match main event WrestleMania. Let's have two men who've long since had their moment in the spotlight take it from numerous young guys who deserve it farm ore.

All in all a DISASTER. This is WM 25, let me repeat THE BIG TWENTY FIVE and has 2 potential show stealers and thats it!!! (HBK vs Taker and Jericho vs Hogan or Austin).

You seem to be under the impression that 45+ year old men given matches with 4 or less weeks build up put on better shows than young men with months to build up a match.

If its Jericho vs Lawler then only 1 show stealing match and a disgrace match for Jericho and a total disgrace show

Refer to the above.

MITB will probably be the worse of the 5 they have had.

It's an 8 man ladder match. It'll be a festival of spots and nothing more. What the hell do you want out of it?

Hardy vs Hardy is ok. STOP saying it'll be on SD and it not be on SD. It makes the credibility not seem that of a WM quality match. Will be good, but kind of killed the credibility when they advertise this for a SD match.

Imagine they should attempt some sort of buildup for the match.

Overall, I'm glad you seem so optimistic about the card. Perhaps you should write Vince McMahon and let him know that a completely inexperienced, disgruntled smark can book his show better than he can.

 

[weird86]

Are you like Vince Mcmahon yourself? I dont see how you can be excited about a match we have seen over 10 times. As someone said the feud can be and is decent, BUT at the end of it it's a repeat match. HHH is SO horrible at acting mad he over does it. Over doing is almost as bad as sucking at it. Orton is carrying this. These two dont even work great with each other, decent at best. HHH sucks not in the ring, and I'll correct that, but as a person. His backstage politics. IDK how unless your him or HHH you can defend that, but whatever true I havent SEEN it myself I'll give you that. Your telling me HHH Orton 13 would be better then Edge vs Christian vs Hardy vs Hardy? First of all two main eventers in there not 1. Second the history behind quite frankly the two best tag teams. Going from that to fighting for the gold. Third the match would tear down the house. IDK how you can say HBK and Taker dont deserve to be over HHH and Orton. Most people would rather see a fresh match then a match that has happend OVER TEN TIMES. I know Taker and HBK isnt fresh, but its been over 11 years, not 4 matches within the last 10 months! I mean you like HHH Orton for the 13th time thats cool, but I think this is unacceptable and I think I can speak for most people on here esp for WM 25.

 

[CENAtion]

I already have my tickets and hotel and flight booked so YES i'm sold on it.

Orton vs Triple H sould be a good fight but i agree the build needs something new right now. Maybe HHH destroying DiBease and Rhodes on seperate occasssions, but we need interaction of some kind. Orton is limited as to who can attack seeing as every one associated with HHH has already been put on the shelf. HHH needs to get physical leading to this match otherwise it could be a let down from a build up standpoint, because of it only being promo's.

Edge vs Big Show...Please....aint happening. John Cena will be added to this match. He is way to big of a star to not be in a title match at the biggest show of all time.

HBK vs Undertaker..this one excites me alot. we all are finally going to see these two legends go at it. The build up could be great as both of these guys are great from a psychological standpoint. And everyone knows these two bring it always at WM. Match of the Night in my opinion.

Jericho vs ????.......I'de highly prefer it be Austin over Hogan. To see Austin comeback for one more match would be exciting for all who are fans of his and the Attitude Era.

So i'm still on board with the event, but hopefully the build up over the next few weeks gets me extremely excited.

 

[weird86]

A build up like HHH and Orton and a match for the 13th time would be good for a PPV like Judgement Day to boost an otherwise decent at best selling PPV. The problem with these two though? The fact they have wrestled SO much and even with the current build I can guarantee wouldnt add numbers to this PPV, or by much, which leads me to my point how is this let alone WM 25 ME worthy?

 

[My$terio_Fan]

I'm sold I guess. Really WM never really grabs me, but I'm sure everyone involved will give their 110%. Out of the two mainevent matches, I am suprisingly looking forward to the Orton/HHH feud. Although I have never been a fan of HHH and find him laborious to watch I actually like the build up and possible outcome.

I think the WWE has done a good job at making this feud seem semi-interesting even though it's been done to death(as early as last summer). I am not really thrilled about a possible Big Show/Edge title match or even Cena/Edge or a triple threat but it could grow on me.

The two matches that will make me buy the show(well put in a few bucks since we watch it on the big screen at res)is the Hardys match aswell as HBK/Undertaker. I'm a huge Jeff Hardy mark(not so much matt)but I think this will be a very solid and interesting match. Both know each other well and if done right this could help both out. And taker/HBK has the potential to be MOTN imo. When HBK is on, he is on. He has proven with Matches against Cena that he can still be great and you know he will give it his all to make a great match(He practically was the only reason why his match with Flair didn't fall apart more, imo). And The Undertaker has had great matches with Batista/Edge semi-recently so these two could put on quiet the match. And although I'm pretty sure Undertaker will win, having HBK go against him(a man build as Mr. Wrestlemania)makes me question the results a bit.

Throw in the MITB match(which even with Kane/Henry)will be a good, exciting, match with some great spots. And then a possible women's match(maybe Maryse/Melina?)and the Jericho legends feud, I am pretty sold on the show. Could have been better, could have been worse.

 

[tyler.durden]

yeah, the way they're building up wm25 is nothing different than a regular ppv. the build up is horrible.

hbk had to qualify to take on taker? come on... can't they just bring up last year's royal rumble ending to start the feud?

kane/henry in MITB... i thought this was a ladder match... and now finlay is in it as well... MITB this year should have been punk, rey, kofi, shelton, morrison, and christian.

jericho is feuding with legends... is he now the legend killer #2? i rather see him feud with an actual wrestler. a match against punk or rey would've been much better.

while i think orton/hhh is ok, it's not getting me excited... i rather see cena/hhh again... then orton would've fought edge, and that would be great imo.

 

[MikeKillam]

Honestly, I"m going to buy Wrestlemania no matter what, because I always do. You never know with the WWE. Sometimes when they put together a super card, it sucks. Sometimes, when there aren't any "great" matches on the card, it's the best PPV of the year! So I'm going to buy it and see what happens.


I'm going to compare 24 to 25 so far, just to see if maybe we're over-reacting.

Wrestlemania 24 --- Wrestlemania 25

MITB-7 --- MITB-8
Finlay vs. JBL --- Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy
Big Show vs. FMM --- Chris Jericho vs. ?
Ric Flair vs. HBK --- Undertaker vs. HBK
Divas Playboy Match --- 25 Diva Battle Royal
Kane vs. Chavo --- Jack Swagger vs. ?
Batista vs. Umaga --- ???
Orton vs. Cena vs. Triple --- Orton vs. Triple H
Undertaker vs. Edge --- Edge vs. Big Show

So the MITB doesn't look as good with Kane and Mark Henry both in it, but who knows, it may still be awesome. You have two heavyweights that can do bigger damage than the guys from last year. Plus you still have the lightweight guys to do your high flyin' stuff. Finlay vs. JBL was surprising a great match, but will it be able to compare to Matt vs. Jeff? It's not official yet, but come on...It's got to happen right? Chris Jericho's gimmick match with whichever legend WWE gets will most likely be a bigger sell than Big Show, a 500 pound man, taking on a 180 pound boxer...it was alright, but Jericho is going to be better. Ric Flair's last match was something that stole the show IMO, and it won't be beaten for a long time...maybe never. But HBK and Undertaker will put on one hell of a classic. I'm sure that whatever the ECW Title match is this year (Christian or Tommy Dreamer), it'll be better than the 10 second match we saw last year. Batista vs. Umaga was the worst point of the show last year IMO, so any match in that slot will most likely be better. It will most likely either be a tag team title match, or something with Cena or JBL. So that's fine with me. A 25 diva battle royal will be awesome, especially since WWE is trying to get retired divas like Trish, Lita, Chyna, etc. to be there for it. Much better than Snoop Dog falling asleep... It's the two title matches that may not be as good. But at least it won't be AS predictable as having the Undertaker in the title match at WM. Either Big Show or Edge (or Cena) could go home with the title, and it could change the face of Smackdown, so that's exciting. Randy Orton and Triple H will put on a great match. Let's face it, we've seen them a whole lot before. But we've never seen Randy Orton this good. We've never seen the two of these guys go at it with such intensity. And for an actual reason or storyline other than Triple H being jealous. So, this could be their best match yet.

I think we've been underestimating Wrestlemania, just because our expectations are for some legend studded card with the best matches possible...seriously...what more do you want them to do. Having a bunch of old wrestlers come back will increase prestige and it would be awesome to see them, but they will kill the momentum in the ring. So take the card for what it already is, and realize that John Cena doesn't have a match yet, JBL says he's going to make history, and there is a small chance that Austin and Hogan will be there to wrestle Jericho. I think this will be better than WM24, and that was one of my favorites of all time. Just have to keep an open mind, and realize that WWE is actually doing more than it looks like...

 

[The Todd]

Yes I'm sold. WrestleMania sells itself though. I am not happy with Big Show, I am not happy that a potential match of the night between the Hardy's is not getting the high billing it deserves, and will probably find itself early on the card and I am not happy that ReyRey is not in MITB (or doesn't appear to be).

However, it is WrestleMania for crying out loud, how can you not be sold on it? You have two of the biggest draws main eventing in an extremely personal feud, where you know both guys are going to want to rip each others head off come bell time. You were going to have top face vs top heel, but now the top face is either being lined up to fight Hogan or is going to still face the top heel, just in a match with a side order of a 420lbs lumbering fool. You have Jericho in one of the best angles ever that has EVERYONE excited and can't wait to see which legend is being lined up next. You still have a potential classic with two Hardy's even if it is being overlooked. You even have a potential women's match between the two champions that is being teased which wouldn't be the worst thing to happen, not to mention Miz and Morrison have to be there somewhere. And a MITB. And an appearance at some point from Austin surely, even if he doesn't wrestle, him appearing as a hall of famer gets a massive pop. So yes, yes I am sold.

 

[weird86]

To the above of course HHH vs Orton 13 is a great excuse to even forget to mention Undertaker vs HBK!

I am at a loss of words how people can be more excited about HHH vs Orton 13 then HBK vs Taker (has been over 11 years and only what 3, 4 matches total).

Maybe I dont get it, but a repeat of FIVE matches within the last year and a half is unacceptable for WM 25. Ok a B PPV maybe, but not WM. Period IDC how great of a storyline it is (which its not even great)

I will admit the storyline is ok, but HHH over does the anger. Ortons carrying it.

Save your money get Unforgiven 04, No Mercy 2007 (2 matches with them on there) Wrestlemania 24, Judgement Day 2008, One Night Stand 08, and I think I'm missing some.

 

[The Todd]

To the above of course HHH vs Orton 13 is a great excuse to even forget to mention Undertaker vs HBK!

My bad, it did slip my mind. Although, yes I am more excited for two of the top people on the brand fighting at Mania than seeing HBK Taker go at it. Why? Orton has improved so much since his last feud with HHH. His character has evolved, and this time there is a better storyline to it. The last one was just simply feuding over the title, with references back to Evolution. HBK vs Taker? So two "legends" are fighting. Great. It's a match that everyone already knows the outcome. HHH Orton can go either way. Plus IF Hogan/Austin or both return they will get bigger pops than both Taker and HBK anyway. It will still be a classic, don't get me wrong, but I am more excited about the future of the business than the past.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

UPDATED PREDICTIONS

Still a little while before they announce everything, and things can change as soon as tomorrow's Smackdown broadcast, but this is what WrestleMania is (unfortunately, lol) shaping up to look like in my mind:

World Heavyweight Championship: Edge vs. Big Show vs. John Cena
--People are jumping on this Hogan/Cena idea, which I think would be much better served for next year. But since Big Show beat Cena, and Cena lost his rematch by DQ which still technically puts him in #1 Contendership status, I think we'll get the same situation that we did last year. Remember, Orton beat Cena by DQ, HHH was named the #1 Contender, and Cena argued that he should still be in the match because he didn't lose at No Way Out? Well, same applies here. Vickie makes a Cena/Show match and if Cena wins, its a triple threat at WrestleMania. He does, which makes him 1-1 with Big Show. Since Edge pinned him clean at No Way Out and cheated on Raw, he's essentially 0-1-1 with Edge, so that means at WrestleMania, Cena pins Edge to win back his title.

WWE Championship: Randy Orton vs. HHH
--Bore. HHH is going to make sure that he wins. Orton went from being "strapped to a rocket" like people were saying and then he had a slight malfunction in the push when the matches with Shane sucked, and now that he's with HHH, its come to a complete stop and it'll end up blowing up like the Challenger. Sucks for Orton, as he could've been really pushed far with this storyline, but in the end, its going to turn into just another "HHH beats the unbeatable guy" angle. I severely hope this match doesn't close out the show and that somehow, they let Orton win clean, but c'mon...we all know HHH wants to be holding a title at the end of the show and he'll get his wish because he's HHH.

Streak: Undertaker vs. HBK
--The only jewel of this program, and man does it shine brightly. These two are my top two favorite wrestlers ever, and the two that I actually consider the best, and there's no way they aren't going to steal the show. Match of the night...match of the year....these guys are going to put on one hell of a match. Undertaker wins to keep the streak alive. Hopefully, there's some sort of handshake moment, as I don't want these two to be in a heel/face feud. They're better than that.

Brothers Feud: Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy
--God I hope Matt doesn't stink this match up. Jeff should go over here.

25 Divas Battle Royal
--They just announced this. From their rosters, they've got: Beth, Candice, Jillian, Kelly Kelly, Layla, Melina, Mickie, Rosa, Bella Twins, Eve, Gail Kim, Maria, Maryse, Michelle, Natalya, Alicia Fox, Katie Lea, and Tiffany. That's 19 right there, unless you keep Gail Kim out of the loop so she makes her return after the ppv. Out of the potential former Divas that are being rumored to return, the names include Trish, Lita, Torrie Wilson, Sunny, Mae Young (for fuck's sake, ugh), Victoria, and Molly Holly. If they use those rumored returns and exclude Gail Kim, then that's 25. I think its safe to say the winner of this is only going to be potentially five names. If the winner isn't Beth, Maryse, Melina, Michelle, or Trish, then I have no clue who is going to win.

Legends Match
--I cannot see, and I hope I won't see, Rourke involved in this. Some have thrown out the idea of a Legends Lumberjack match, but I still like my idea of the Legends Gauntlet where Jericho literally beats about 10 legends within the span of a few minutes. That would get him so much heat if he goes out there and gives the Codebreaker and the Walls of Jericho to Hacksaw and others, especially right after they do the recap of the previous night's Hall of Fame, where everyone is feeling nostalgic. Then of course, I think it should end with Austin beating Jericho to end the match, or if they have to replace Austin because of his health problems, give that responsibility to Hogan.

Money in the Bank: CM Punk vs. Kane vs. Mark Henry vs. ??? vs. ??? vs. ??? vs. ??? vs. ???
--God this is shaping up to be atrocious. Punk will not win. Kane has no chance. Henry has no chance and he serves no purpose in the match as he can't even fucking climb the ladder and I have NO clue why they put him in there instead of finding something else for him to do. The list of people that can fill the next few spots are way too numerous. Five spots, and the potentials are MVP, Kennedy, Evan Bourne, Christian, Kofi Kingston, John Morrison, the Miz, Shelton Benjamin, Rey Mysterio, and Finlay. Bourne and Kennedy might not be cleared to wrestle, and we don't know what's going on with Christian and Swagger. I really hope John Morrison and the Miz get in here and Morrison wins it as he needs it more than anybody else, but I'm still sticking to my prediction that if Morrison doesn't win it, Shelton or MVP will. I can't see them giving a title shot this early to Kofi and I can't see them wasting the MITB on someone who doesn't need it like Mysterio, or Finlay who won't win any title. What was once the one match that I knew I'd enjoy is actually the one I'm the most worried about, as I already know HHH/Orton will suck. They need to fit 5 good guys in those spots, and not people like Finlay, Kozlov, JBL, etc.


QUESTIONABLE ENTRIES / POTENTIAL FILLER MATCHES?:

MVP vs. Shelton Benjamin (vs. Chavo Guerrero)
--I don't see it happening, but its not out of the blue. They have been building something between the three of them.

Tag Team Unification: John Morrison & The Miz vs. The Colons
--Again, I don't see it happening, but its not out of the blue. They teased it last week. Hopefully, Morrison and Miz get in the MITB instead and one of them comes out with the case.

ECW Championship: Jack Swagger vs. ???
--I don't see it happening, really. Swagger is much too young to really deserve a spot on the card over previous guys, as this show should be revolved around the legend concept more than anything else. Now some might argue that if he has a match with Dreamer, that it would make up for that, as he's a "legend", but there are two problems with that. One, Dreamer is too worthless to put in that sort of a spot. Two, Dreamer's contract ends the day before the Extreme Rules ppv, and there's no way that they didn't plan that idea out, so I 100% do not see Dreamer winning the title before that ppv if he even wins it at all. They've done Swagger/Christian 3 times now basically and it would be a real annoyance if they put that on the card as we've seen it already.



WrestleMania typically has 9 standard matches, and those are 10 to predict right there. Obviously, one needs to be cut, and it still leaves out quite a bit of people, depending on who gets in the Money in the Bank match and whatnot. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say either the US or ECW title match gets erased there, which would unfortunately mean that Morrison couldn't win the Money in the Bank

 

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So far, i'm not impressed with this year'S card. First you got HHH vs Orton yet again, i know that it was a last minute decision but couldn't they find somebody different to face Orton, who by the way is only in the main event because of Batista's injury, anybody could have been better then HHH. Next is Big Show vs Edge for the world title. I know that by next monday it will probably be a triple threat match with Cena getting put in the mix but even then i don'T care about this match.

Next you got the money in the bank match, again not that impress anymore by this match, you know that it will be great because it always is and this year it might be a little different because you got some big men involve in this version but again i unless the pull a major surprise out of this one, i don'T care who win.

Then you got Shawn Micheals vs The Undertaker, a lot of people wanted to see this match but for me, it smell of desparation. They didn'T have a epic match to put on the card this year so they just put the 2 most over legends they still have under contract and hope that it will be enough to get people to buy this PPV. The problem with this match is that the end result is predictable. I don'T see the streak ending at the hands of HBK. The streak should be ended by somebody who will have a long career not somebody like HBK that near the end of his career so as good as this match will be, i still think it'S to predictable.

Has for the rumors matches, Matt vs Jeff HArdy: This is pretty much a gamble if you pay to see wrestlemania just for this match because the last time these 2 face each other, it was one of the worst match ever and i'm not sure that both hardy's would delivers a good match if they needed too.

Als there's a 25 diva's battle royal that is rumored to take place at wrestlemania but if that'S the plan for the diva's this year, i think it might be the worst diva wrestlemania match of all time. Why not just have a 6 diva's tag between the diva's that actually have a feud going right now instead of putting every diva plus some diva's from the past in a battle royal that pretty will serve nothing.

In the end, this year's wrestlemania card doesn't make me want to buy this event. I probably gonna buy it anyway but for now, i'm just not sold at all.

 

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So far, i'm not impressed with this year'S card. First you got HHH vs Orton yet again, i know that it was a last minute decision but couldn't they find somebody different to face Orton, who by the way is only in the main event because of Batista's injury, anybody could have been better then HHH. Next is Big Show vs Edge for the world title. I know that by next monday it will probably be a triple threat match with Cena getting put in the mix but even then i don'T care about this match.

Next you got the money in the bank match, again not that impress anymore by this match, you know that it will be great because it always is and this year it might be a little different because you got some big men involve in this version but again i unless the pull a major surprise out of this one, i don'T care who win.

Then you got Shawn Micheals vs The Undertaker, a lot of people wanted to see this match but for me, it smell of desparation. They didn'T have a epic match to put on the card this year so they just put the 2 most over legends they still have under contract and hope that it will be enough to get people to buy this PPV. The problem with this match is that the end result is predictable. I don'T see the streak ending at the hands of HBK. The streak should be ended by somebody who will have a long career not somebody like HBK that near the end of his career so as good as this match will be, i still think it'S to predictable.

Has for the rumors matches, Matt vs Jeff HArdy: This is pretty much a gamble if you pay to see wrestlemania just for this match because the last time these 2 face each other, it was one of the worst match ever and i'm not sure that both hardy's would delivers a good match if they needed too.

Als there's a 25 diva's battle royal that is rumored to take place at wrestlemania but if that'S the plan for the diva's this year, i think it might be the worst diva wrestlemania match of all time. Why not just have a 6 diva's tag between the diva's that actually have a feud going right now instead of putting every diva plus some diva's from the past in a battle royal that pretty will serve nothing.

In the end, this year's wrestlemania card doesn't make me want to buy this event. I probably gonna buy it anyway but for now, i'm just not sold at all.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! Someone who sees the light of day! Even with the HBK and Taker comment I agree its a match to have at least or attempt to at least have people by the PPV AKA is WHY THIS SHOULD BE THE ME!!!!. Edge vs Big Show and possibly vs Cena is a joke. This is a match (either the triple threat or Edge vs Big Show) that belongs on Judement Day not WM25. I was going to say Orton could of faced a lot of different people, but since he won the Rumble and HHH NEEDED to be in the ME for a title match at WM25 why give us a FRESH Edge vs Orton which could be interesting two TOP heels I wouldnt mind, but no we get the honor and privilege of watching Orton HHH 13! Hopefully Jerichos legends match is against someone notable like Austin or Hogan and not Lawler.

 

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WHY THIS SHOULD BE THE ME!!!!. Edge vs Big Show and possibly vs Cena is a joke. This is a match (either the triple threat or Edge vs Big Show) that belongs on Judement Day not WM25. I was going to say Orton could of faced a lot of different people, but since he won the Rumble and HHH NEEDED to be in the ME for a title match at WM25 why give us a FRESH Edge vs Orton which could be interesting two TOP heels I wouldnt mind, but no we get the honor and privilege of watching Orton HHH 13! Hopefully Jerichos legends match is against someone notable like Austin or Hogan and not Lawler.

Wait, so first of all, you want the biggest show of the year to have a heel vs heel title match? How would this work for the business? The fans have NO-ONE to cheer for, what would be the point?

Then you want a non title match to close the show? The title match HAS to close out the show, and in my opinon it HAS to be the royal rumble winner, as he gets a "guarenteed place in the MAIN EVENT at WrestleMania".

You need to realise Vince cares about what is best for business, so is best for EVERYONE, not just you. My personal opinion doesn't want HHH in the title shot, but he is one of the most over faces so why shouldn't he be in there?

 

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Wait, so first of all, you want the biggest show of the year to have a heel vs heel title match? How would this work for the business? The fans have NO-ONE to cheer for, what would be the point?

I forgot no one has ever cheered for a heel, and has never booed a face before! Prime example John Cena. He is booed more then is cheered. Orton gets cheered almost always when he comes out even being a heel, PLUS Edge is such a great heel people would cheer for Orton, BUT I see your stance on this, BUT you have to agree this would be different and fresh and a better match.

Then you want a non title match to close the show? The title match HAS to close out the show, and in my opinon it HAS to be the royal rumble winner, as he gets a "guarenteed place in the MAIN EVENT at WrestleMania".

Rey Mysterio won the RR in 06, he wasnt in the ME at WM. OH THATS RIGHT HHH WAS which proves he will do anything political to get in the ME. If 2 PPVS within 3 months can both have tag team matches as ME's (Armageddon 06 and NWO 07) and Undertaker vs Henry can ME a PPV over Cena vs Orton (Unforgiven 07) then WM can have a classic HBK vs UT match of the night (you already know it'll be a classic and match of the night) be the ME.

You need to realise Vince cares about what is best for business, so is best for EVERYONE, not just you. My personal opinion doesn't want HHH in the title shot, but he is one of the most over faces so why shouldn't he be in there?

This goes to you want a heel vs face. For the valid sake of agreeing, then Orton should of been turned into a face so he could face a heel like Edge, or shouldnt of won the Rumble. WM25 plain and simple shouldnt have HHH vs Orton. I know best for business wouldnt be a hardy vs Hardy vs Edge vs Christian in a hardcore match. This doesnt have 2 main eventers (could of had 3 if they did the Christian return right) and doesnt have a GREAT history to the two best tag teams ever now going for 1 title. God no, HHH vs Orton for the God knows how many times is way more appealing!

 

[The Todd]

I forgot no one has ever cheered for a heel, and has never booed a face before! Prime example John Cena. He is booed more then is cheered. Orton gets cheered almost always when he comes out even being a heel, PLUS Edge is such a great heel people would cheer for Orton, BUT I see your stance on this, BUT you have to agree this would be different and fresh and a better match.

By all means have this match take place as the second main event at a lesser PPV, but WrestleMania is the ultimate show, and nine times out of ten the show closes with a face holding the belt, so a heel vs heel main event wouldn't work, and a non title match wouldn't work.

As for Cena being booed more than cheered, you still stuck two years ago? Watch any episode of Raw and it is more cheers than boos. And Orton is still more boos than cheers. For me, this would be the best match for Mania and I was gutted it didn't happen, the second best being Cena vs Edge, but we don't look like getting either.

As for your comment about wanting the Edge vs Christian vs Jeff vs Matt storyline, really? Lets take our best heel and shove him in a match with the crowd favourite who is not on Cena and HHH's level quite yet, and two mid carders? Christian is not main event, and bringing him back to the company instantly into the ME for Mania makes no sense at all for business. I applaud Vince thoroughly for changins these plans. Matt is not ME, but after the Jeff feud he will hopefully be at a higher level. In a years time that story might work, but not now.