[Official] TNA TV Shows Aftermath, Review & Ratings Thread

[Talon_DR]

Quality product compared to what? I tried to actually watch TNA Impact this week and I was left shaking my head. The show starts with a tag team match that has Booker T and Robert Roode as partners, which makes absolutely no sense at all because they were just feuding with one another and absolutely despised one another and there's no mention of that from anyone. Obviously TNA's thinks the fans are stupid because the worst thing you can do is IGNORE such an obvious fact and not mention it, as if we've forgotten what happened a month ago before Booker T's random and abrupt heel turn. That one fact made the entire match negative, and then after the match the heels attack Christian. Why is Booker T and Team 3D alligned? Have they actually explained this or mentioned anything behind the reasoning? And then Roode even joins in to help, even though he and Booker T were mortal enemies a month ago. They also should've focused solely on AJ Styles's "save" instead of having him run in for a short burst of momentum and then start to get beat down until Rhino and Christian are back up and clear the ring. They should've had AJ Styles clear the ring and the heels run off reeling from his burst of offense alone to make it that much more effective for his run in.

One point you talk about how TNA treats it's fans like idiots and the next you prove TNA should treat its fans like idiots. Everyone complains that TNA Storylines need to be simplified for the fans, which I disagree with. There is a certain reality that Russo brings to the TNA Product that might not go over well with the fans but it happens in everyday life. You have to read between the lines and realize not everything that happens, happens in front of a TV Screen. Booker T and Team 3D believe that they have been poorly treated by TNA. Booker believes he deserved more title shots and a better locker room and so much more. Team 3D are supporting him because they know where he is coming from. In the other company Booker was receiving title shots all the time and in TNA, they favor the X Division guys while forcing the imports to earn their title shot. You either earn a title shot by moving up the ranks in TNA or you earn one by winning a title shot in a multi-person match allowing the opponents to have the same opportunity they do.

I can't say much about Robert Roode teaming with Royal T because this was one of my gripes as well.

The Beautiful People promo was awkward and pretty bad, and Angelina Love really isn't that beautiful. Then we go to a match that looked really bad, I hear all this praise about how much better the woman's division and it's wrestling is then WWE's but I didn't see that at all tonight. And then we have chaos once again after the match, a little too predictable.

Angelina and Velvet are good characters that are solid on the mic. Angelina is a quality wrestler. While the Street Fight won't go down as a MOTY Candidate, it was still solid.

Jay Lethal's bachelor party was horrible. I don't see how anyone could've found that entertaining, funny, or a "good" segment. I literally groaned. This entire storyline recreating Macho Man and Elizabeth is just horrible, how can you be original with something that's entirely unoriginal? It's not even amusing or fun in a nostalgic way because it's done so poorly and I have no attachment or care for either Jay Lethal or So Cal Val. They're not anything close to the level of Randy Savage and Elizabeth or loved by the world of wrestling and it's fans like they were, which is the first problem right there.

Comedy, as well as Creative is Subjective

Then we have the absolute worst storyline ever in Eric Young. Thank god it's over but what a waste of tv time and effort over the weeks..

I agree

The Sting interview's uninteresting, and I feel the same way I did last week in terms of taking all the mystique from Sting and turning him into just a plain, blah character now. This is one thing they should learn from WCW; how to use Sting.

They have underultilized Sting in my opinion but I aint a booker or writer. This interview was plot development for his potential retirement.

The King of the Mountain X division match made no sense to me either. Was this to decide who was going to face Petey Williams for the title at Slammiversary? Because right before the match they had been advertising Slammiversary and advertising Petey Williams vs. Kaz. And even so, they advertised Petey Williams vs. Kaz at Slammiversary so they already blew the entire outcome of the match. Did anyone believe that Kaz wouldn't win? He's being promoted as the number one contender for the X division title, having him lose would destroy the Slammiversary match. So in the end this entire match was pointless, and it also had the potential to be better then the King of the Mountain match at Slammiversary so it was another bad move.

I do agree that there shouldn't have been a King of the Mountain Match three days before another one. The winner of this match received a World Title Shot next week on iMPACT so it did make a difference. That aside, this is a potential TV MOTY Candidate for its solid action.

I found almost every promo segment on this episode of Impact really bad, especially Kurt Angle and Karan Angle it was really unwatchable. The only promos that did work on some level in my mind were Kevin Nash's, and Petey Williams. But instead of promoting Kevin Nash so strongly I think they should do a better job of making all the other men in the main event of Slammiversary come out looking strong; you know, the ones actually in the match wrestling!

Oh and I am sure you enjoy the WWE Promos. Talking about how wrestler A is going to beat Wrestler B. That's been done to death. How many times must a show end with a champion holding up his belt in front of his challenger. What's the point of Shawn Michaels coming down the ring to stare at Batista last week? Things like that don't attract casual fans because they think it's stupid and know it's scripted. They want to be entertained, not insulted. At least casual viewers will watch the show and realize that there is entertainment value with some of the segments. Certain fans will enjoy it.

Tomko's got another loss. He's really out of the picture, isn't he? Over all I found this week's Impact extremely lacking and the only plus's I could see in the show were the actual wrestling matches even though there really wans't anything special about them, either. But if TNA's downplaying their matches and trying to promote their entertainment side of the show more they're doing a bad job because I found the behind the scenes segments poor. To me it really didn't do a great job of promoting Slammiversary and didn't put any interest in me to go out and buy the ppv, so they failed in the most important aspect with me.

Fans like you don't buy PPVs unless you get your way. Overall with the exception of Sacrifice, all TNA PPVs have had something to offer. Very few screwjob finishes and some solid wrestling. I am pretty sure in the long run your 30$ won't put TNA out of business because I know many fans who will be buying this PPV, one who hasn't bought a TNA PPV before.

 

[MisterRob]

One point you talk about how TNA treats it's fans like idiots and the next you prove TNA should treat its fans like idiots. Everyone complains that TNA Storylines need to be simplified for the fans, which I disagree with. There is a certain reality that Russo brings to the TNA Product that might not go over well with the fans but it happens in everyday life. You have to read between the lines and realize not everything that happens, happens in front of a TV Screen. Booker T and Team 3D believe that they have been poorly treated by TNA. Booker believes he deserved more title shots and a better locker room and so much more. Team 3D are supporting him because they know where he is coming from. In the other company Booker was receiving title shots all the time and in TNA, they favor the X Division guys while forcing the imports to earn their title shot. You either earn a title shot by moving up the ranks in TNA or you earn one by winning a title shot in a multi-person match allowing the opponents to have the same opportunity they do.

Did they explain all of that on television to the viewers? Seriously. If so, then I missed it. If not, then your logic is completely off.. considering you criticize the WWE farther down by claiming their promos and such aren't done in a way the casual viewer will understand and you have to be a fan who knows what's going on to understand.. well, a casual viewer of TNA, for this episode, would have no clue about any of that back story or the logic one has to "assume" and "guess" at. Not to mention that they're suppose to be telling a story, that's the entire purpose of storylines, booking, and character development. If you're reading a book and a character jumps from acting and being one thing to being the exact opposite, or some huge plot development has happened from one chapter to the next, and yet it was never EXPLAINED do you think that's a good thing? Do you think that would be a good story? It wouldn't even get published.

Comedy, as well as Creative is Subjective

What's your point? Everything is subjective and I clearly stated those things are my opinion.. sooo, what's your point?

I do agree that there shouldn't have been a King of the Mountain Match three days before another one. The winner of this match received a World Title Shot next week on iMPACT so it did make a difference. That aside, this is a potential TV MOTY Candidate for its solid action.

And that goes back to what I said; it was silly in my opinion to have a King of the Mountain match that could OUTSHINE and actually be a better match then the King of the Mountain match you're promoting on ppv that people actually have to PAY for.

Oh and I am sure you enjoy the WWE Promos. Talking about how wrestler A is going to beat Wrestler B. That's been done to death. How many times must a show end with a champion holding up his belt in front of his challenger. What's the point of Shawn Michaels coming down the ring to stare at Batista last week? Things like that don't attract casual fans because they think it's stupid and know it's scripted. They want to be entertained, not insulted. At least casual viewers will watch the show and realize that there is entertainment value with some of the segments. Certain fans will enjoy it.

I would take the promos of the WWE that actually promote the ppv matches happening over horribly acted and done promos like Kurt Angle/Karen Angle any day, yes.

Fans like you don't buy PPVs unless you get your way. Overall with the exception of Sacrifice, all TNA PPVs have had something to offer. Very few screwjob finishes and some solid wrestling. I am pretty sure in the long run your 30$ won't put TNA out of business because I know many fans who will be buying this PPV, one who hasn't bought a TNA PPV before.

Oh, really, well why don't you tell me what MY way is, then? Since you know me so well please tell me what I would like to see and what kind of ppv would be my kind of ppv? And I could say the same thing for your side of things, people who've spent the money to buy TNA's ppvs in the past won't do anything to help grow their buyrates higher. The reason TNA's buyrates are rumored to be low and obviously aren't some huge profit that TNA's praising and promoting is because there are people like me who don't find the build up to the ppv's appealing enough to buy a ppv that doesn't have ENOUGH to offer for me to waste 30 dollars on. My opinion.

 

[Straight_Edge_Mystic]

I've been watching a bit of TNA recently. I'm not sure why, but I have been. I have to give them some props, they have some exciting characters that their fans love and go crazy for. For example, Curry Man, he is awesome in the ring and personality wise. He just draws fans to him. Great entrance, great moves, great character. Not all of their guys are great, but their homegrown talents are awesome and I wish they would be utilized more than former WWE/WCW stars. I also digged the fact that Daffney was there. I liked her a lot in WCW and last night, even though she was demolished by Kong, she set herself apart from that goth gimmick in WCW. Not much, but I needed to let that out. I also rather enjoyed the X-Division King of the Mountain match. Some nice spots and furtherance of Kaz's push, whom I have always like. However, I felt that Curry Man should've won, not sure why but it would've been nice. Kaz winning is cool, though.

 

[Talon_DR]

Did they explain all of that on television to the viewers? Seriously. If so, then I missed it. If not, then your logic is completely off.. considering you criticize the WWE farther down by claiming their promos and such aren't done in a way the casual viewer will understand and you have to be a fan who knows what's going on to understand.. well, a casual viewer of TNA, for this episode, would have no clue about any of that back story or the logic one has to "assume" and "guess" at. Not to mention that they're suppose to be telling a story, that's the entire purpose of storylines, booking, and character development. If you're reading a book and a character jumps from acting and being one thing to being the exact opposite, or some huge plot development has happened from one chapter to the next, and yet it was never EXPLAINED do you think that's a good thing? Do you think that would be a good story? It wouldn't even get published.

Casual Viewers watch a show, enjoy the show then wait until next week. They don't sit around analyzing the product like loyal fans do which means that small details like this don't hurt the fans opinion about the overall product. Now while it is a minor detail that won't ruin the heat Booker T has, it is pretty clear through Booker's promos why he turned. Why he turned has also been mentioned on TNA Wrestling.com as well.

TNA isn't a book, it's an Action-Dramady Television Show. I think you are the one who said you watched Lost right? Do they explain the whole plot of the storyline in one episode? Now Booker and TNA has alluded to why he turned so much during his promos that I can't see how you missed it. To watch TNA you have to think which might be hard for some fans. Hell you have to do it in the Saw Movies too but they were good.

What's your point? Everything is subjective and I clearly stated those things are my opinion.. sooo, what's your point?

Just because you don't find something entertaining doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you. Look on the net and you will find plenty of people who found last night's show (including the Bachelor Party funny). Like I said to Marty, different Strokes for different folks.


And that goes back to what I said; it was silly in my opinion to have a King of the Mountain match that could OUTSHINE and actually be a better match then the King of the Mountain match you're promoting on ppv that people actually have to PAY for.

I said that I didn't agree with having the KOTM Match on free TV but anyways how would you know how good the PPV Match will be when you won't even buy the PPV.




I would take the promos of the WWE that actually promote the ppv matches happening over horribly acted and done promos like Kurt Angle/Karen Angle any day, yes.

Of course you would. I would take the WWE Promos over TNA's if I was tired but that is the only way. WWE has gone the more Traditional Wrestling route while TNA has moved towards more Sports Entertainment.


Oh, really, well why don't you tell me what MY way is, then? Since you know me so well please tell me what I would like to see and what kind of ppv would be my kind of ppv? And I could say the same thing for your side of things, people who've spent the money to buy TNA's ppvs in the past won't do anything to help grow their buyrates higher. The reason TNA's buyrates are rumored to be low and obviously aren't some huge profit that TNA's praising and promoting is because there are people like me who don't find the build up to the ppv's appealing enough to buy a ppv that doesn't have ENOUGH to offer for me to waste 30 dollars on. My opinion.

Did I touch a nerve? While I don't know you, and don't want to know you, you likely are one of these fans on here who thinks ROH is such a great company, WWE is too and TNA completely sucks. You probably want TNA to go back to the way it was in in 2005.

How do you know PPV Buyrates are low? Who judges if the buyrates are low or not? Aren't they by TNA Standards?

People like you are the ones hurting TNA, constantly complaining about how bad the product is and giving the IWC a bad name. Fans like you chant "Fire Russo" and whine that Paul Heyman is the best booker ever and that Gabe Sapolsky is so great. I can spin everything you say bad about last night's iMPACT into something good. There are plenty of fans who offer constrcutive criticism which TNA answers to.

You say TNA doesn't get it, I say TNA is progressive. You think about what if while TNA thinks about what is!

 

[Bernkastel]

I suppose it makes sense if they're going with the Beautiful People as all talk and not able to back it up themselves so they need muscle.

That was my reaction, I don't think TNA will use Mickie Knuckles other than a bodyguard, but who knows, maybe we'll be lucky enough to see a Hardcore match between Mickie and an unlucky opponent

But it really did seem out of nowhere to me and the choice for this "bodyguard" doesn't even look like anything special.

So the female equivalent of Mick Foley is nothing special? Comments like that make it blatantly obvious that you've never seen Mickie wrestle before.

She's not much bigger then any of the other girls and doesn't stand out in any way, I'd expect someone who would stand out more in the role. Guess we'll see.

Mickie's got the size (she's got at least 30 lbs, probably more, on ODB, Roxxi, and Gail), she's got surprising agility that you don't realize she possesses when you first see her, she's perfected her technique, and her toughness? I think her lengthy resume in the world of the Deathmatch speaks for itself.

I think that Mickie Knuckles is a great addition to the roster. She's a traveled, decorated , and hardened veteran of the Indy Circuit that could easily prove to be a strong opponent for ODB, Gail Kim, Roxxi, or even Awesome Kong if TNA chooses to keep her around long enough

However, It remains to be seen whether or not TNA will use Mickie to her full potential (or close to it) or if they decide to bury her.

The Beautiful People promo was awkward and pretty bad

The only thing that I don't like about their promos is the fact that Velvet kisses the camera afterwards, I think thats overkill, and I downplays the message that the girls are trying to send. I firgure as long as the girls are getting a reaction and getting heat from the crowd, then I think their accomplishing what they set out to do

and Angelina Love really isn't that beautiful.

Your point? I don't think women like Candice Michelle, Layla, or Kelly Kelly are all that attractive

Then we go to a match that looked really bad

Yet the crowd was really into the match, the crowd even gave the match a "this is awesome chant", I rarely see that kind of crowd involvement for a Divas match.

I hear all this praise about how much better the woman's division and it's wrestling is then WWE's but I didn't see that at all tonight.

So when the Knockouts have one off match they're automatically worse than the divas Division?



The last match the Divas had that wasn't just a top notch technical bout, but also generated a solid reaction from the crowd (other than the one they usually get were the fans usually stay seated in their chairs and politely clap) would have been the last PPV

The knockouts are still getting a consistent, strong reaction from the crowd each week. Just because one person finds fault with a match doesn't mean that the majority don't still enjoy it

And then we have chaos once again after the match, a little too predictable

So you predicted Mickie's Knuckles debut? I find that hard to fathom considering its perceivable that you don't know anything about her

 

[MisterRob]

Casual Viewers watch a show, enjoy the show then wait until next week. They don't sit around analyzing the product like loyal fans do which means that small details like this don't hurt the fans opinion about the overall product. Now while it is a minor detail that won't ruin the heat Booker T has, it is pretty clear through Booker's promos why he turned. Why he turned has also been mentioned on TNA Wrestling.com as well.

Actually I was asking about the Booker T and Team 3D alliance, not why Booker T turned heel.

TNA isn't a book, it's an Action-Dramady Television Show. I think you are the one who said you watched Lost right? Do they explain the whole plot of the storyline in one episode? Now Booker and TNA has alluded to why he turned so much during his promos that I can't see how you missed it. To watch TNA you have to think which might be hard for some fans. Hell you have to do it in the Saw Movies too but they were good.

No, I don't watch Lost. And when did I say I needed the whole plot of a storyline in one episode? Do you think two months after Booker T's heel turn and the alliance he has with Team 3d has happened and is over with they're finally going to go BACK and explain why the two parties are together? I think you missed the point.

Just because you don't find something entertaining doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you. Look on the net and you will find plenty of people who found last night's show (including the Bachelor Party funny). Like I said to Marty, different Strokes for different folks.

Again, I think you missed the point. I said that that was MY OPINION, which means it's not everyone else's opinion nor was I implying it was everyone else's opinion I was stating MY OPINION.

I said that I didn't agree with having the KOTM Match on free TV but anyways how would you know how good the PPV Match will be when you won't even buy the PPV.

Once again you missed the point. I wasn't refering to myself specifically buying the ppv or not, I was stating that having a King of the Mountain match on the show BEFORE a ppv, and one that potentially could outshine and be better then the actual main eventing King of the Mountain match kind of defeats the purpose and downplays the IMPORTANCE of seeing the once a year King of the Mountain match at Slammiversary.

Did I touch a nerve? While I don't know you, and don't want to know you, you likely are one of these fans on here who thinks ROH is such a great company, WWE is too and TNA completely sucks. You probably want TNA to go back to the way it was in in 2005.

How do you know PPV Buyrates are low? Who judges if the buyrates are low or not? Aren't they by TNA Standards?

People like you are the ones hurting TNA, constantly complaining about how bad the product is and giving the IWC a bad name. Fans like you chant "Fire Russo" and whine that Paul Heyman is the best booker ever and that Gabe Sapolsky is so great. I can spin everything you say bad about last night's iMPACT into something good. There are plenty of fans who offer constrcutive criticism which TNA answers to.

You say TNA doesn't get it, I say TNA is progressive. You think about what if while TNA thinks about what is!

No you didn't hit a nerve, I simply found it ignorant and silly to toss out an assumption based on nothing. Right here you just tossed out a generalization to label me in a stereotypical group that I don't even belong to. I don't think Ring of Honor's great (although I find some entertainment in it). I have just as much criticism about WWE as I do TNA, and I don't think TNA completely sucks at all. But there is a lot of things I don't like about the product and I'm entitled to point them out and talk about them, just as you are about the things you enjoy about TNA, because this is the internet.. and a FORUM. It's a thread about reviewing the Impact show. People like me aren't hurting TNA at all, because I'm just a guy on the internet making a comment about what I think about TNA's show, I don't prevent or have any impact on other people watching TNA or liking TNA. Everyone has their own mind to think with. And no, I wouldn't chant Fire Russo.. but you should really stop regurgitating what everyone else says about this IWC label, because I, much like a lot of people, can't be thrown into a single "label" based on our likes or dislikes.

I don't see how my views can be hurting TNA any better then your views can be helping TNA. If everyone ignored the bad and focused on nothing but the good and sugar coated things to emphasis some praise in the product then there'd be no progression. Critical feedback can help a product just as much as praised feedback. The fact is the only way I hurt TNA is by not watching their product. Why would I watch something that I don't find entertaining or enjoyment in?

 

[MisterRob]

That was my reaction, I don't think TNA will use Mickie Knuckles other than a bodyguard, but who knows, maybe we'll be lucky enough to see a Hardcore match between Mickie and an unlucky opponent


So the female equivalent of Mick Foley is nothing special? Comments like that make it blatantly obvious that you've never seen Mickie wrestle before.

No, I don't know who Mickie is and neither would the casual fan.

The only thing that I don't like about their promos is the fact that Velvet kisses the camera afterwards, I think thats overkill, and I downplays the message that the girls are trying to send. I firgure as long as the girls are getting a reaction and getting heat from the crowd, then I think their accomplishing what they set out to do

Your point? I don't think women like Candice Michelle, Layla, or Kelly Kelly are all that attractive

My point was she's suppose to be a Beautiful Person. I found it ironic, so I pointed it out.

Yet the crowd was really into the match, the crowd even gave the match a "this is awesome chant", I rarely see that kind of crowd involvement for a Divas match.

So when the Knockouts have one off match they're automatically worse than the divas Division?

Now when did I say that? I meant exactly what I said. And you can't really take the crowd's chanting as the way all viewers nationwide viewed the match on television as the fans at the arena will chant anything and everything just to get themselves over.

So you predicted Mickie's Knuckles debut? I find that hard to fathom considering its perceivable that you don't know anything about her

Obviously you didn't read what I said. "And then we have chaos once again after the match, a little too predictable"... that had nothing to do with Mickie Knuckles or the Knockouts. The match before this one there was chaos after it, much like the main event.. much like it seems 90% of the matches in TNA.

 

[Talon_DR]

Actually I was asking about the Booker T and Team 3D alliance, not why Booker T turned heel.

Team 3D understands Booker T's point of view and are sick and tired of TNA Management mistreating them.



No, I don't watch Lost. And when did I say I needed the whole plot of a storyline in one episode? Do you think two months after Booker T's heel turn and the alliance he has with Team 3d has happened and is over with they're finally going to go BACK and explain why the two parties are together? I think you missed the point.


The cool thing about wrestling is the mystique, there is so much of it. Team 3D and Booker T have a common goal which is to get what they deserve. I was clearly stating the fact that there needs to be intrigue in wrestling, which WWE offers very little of. TNA offers quite a bit of intrigue which is very good for the product. Once again I don't understand why you don't know Team 3D and Booker T forming an alliance and the intentions of it.

Again, I think you missed the point. I said that that was MY OPINION, which means it's not everyone else's opinion nor was I implying it was everyone else's opinion I was stating MY OPINION.

I am fine with you expressing your opinion as long as it doesn't ruin the product for other fans.


Once again you missed the point. I wasn't refering to myself specifically buying the ppv or not, I was stating that having a King of the Mountain match on the show BEFORE a ppv, and one that potentially could outshine and be better then the actual main eventing King of the Mountain match kind of defeats the purpose and downplays the IMPORTANCE of seeing the once a year King of the Mountain match at Slammiversary.

I think we are running in circles here because I just said I agree with what you said. Quite alright, people make mistakes all the time. I don't think there is a need to argue this point any longer.


No you didn't hit a nerve, I simply found it ignorant and silly to toss out an assumption based on nothing. Right here you just tossed out a generalization to label me in a stereotypical group that I don't even belong to. I don't think Ring of Honor's great (although I find some entertainment in it). I have just as much criticism about WWE as I do TNA, and I don't think TNA completely sucks at all. But there is a lot of things I don't like about the product and I'm entitled to point them out and talk about them, just as you are about the things you enjoy about TNA, because this is the internet.. and a FORUM. It's a thread about reviewing the Impact show. People like me aren't hurting TNA at all, because I'm just a guy on the internet making a comment about what I think about TNA's show, I don't prevent or have any impact on other people watching TNA or liking TNA. Everyone has their own mind to think with. And no, I wouldn't chant Fire Russo.. but you should really stop regurgitating what everyone else says about this IWC label, because I, much like a lot of people, can't be thrown into a single "label" based on our likes or dislikes.

I can very well throw all the internet "smarks" into one label if I want to. For some reason TNA looks upon these boards and modifies its product to fit the IWCs likes and dislikes which only hurt the product especially when the casual fans are the ones who TNA need to attract.

I am well aware what a FORUM is. However what we have here isn't an open statement, it's a debate. It's one thing just to express your opinion but another to reply to someone elses and try to prove why they are wrong. That is what got this started.

You are sidetracking this conversation

I don't see how my views can be hurting TNA any better then your views can be helping TNA. If everyone ignored the bad and focused on nothing but the good and sugar coated things to emphasis some praise in the product then there'd be no progression. Critical feedback can help a product just as much as praised feedback. The fact is the only way I hurt TNA is by not watching their product. Why would I watch something that I don't find entertaining or enjoyment in?

Constructive Criticism is good but all out criticism isn't.

Here are constructive criticisms: I enjoyed the entertainment aspect of iMPACT but felt that there wasn't enough wrestling. While the Heavyweight and Knockouts Division are solid I would like to see more of the X Division and Tag Team Division

It is a common misconception to judge what goes on behind the scenes rather than what happens in front of the screen.

Now please stay topic!

 

[Bernkastel]

No, I don't know who Mickie is and neither would the casual fan.

Then why are assuming that she's bland without having done research on her prior to that assumption?

Now I can't predict what TNA does with Mickie Knuckles, whether they push her or keep her around as a bodyguard only, they use her to her full potential, or they bury her. If TNA decides to bury Mickie Knuckles, that doesn't make her any less inferior.

My point was she's suppose to be a Beautiful Person. I found it ironic, so I pointed it out.

Ironic to you, but everyone has their own tastes. Angelina Love has her own fan following as I'm sure many of the women wrestlers in main stream professional wrestling do

Now when did I say that? I meant exactly what I said.

Then why mention the Divas division at all? If we are comparing the knockouts and the Divas then their are no comparisons. the knockouts draw, the divas don't

And you can't really take the crowd's chanting as the way all viewers nationwide viewed the match on television as the fans at the arena will chant anything and everything just to get themselves over.

No, but I can take it as a sign that the audience did enjoy the match and was throughly entertained by it, thats a hell of a lot more than I can say for a majority of the matches that the Divas put on.

 

[MisterRob]

Then why mention the Divas division at all? If we are comparing the knockouts and the Divas then their are no comparisons. the knockouts draw, the divas don't

No, but I can take it as a sign that the audience did enjoy the match and was throughly entertained by it, thats a hell of a lot more than I can say for a majority of the matches that the Divas put on.

How do you figure that? I've watched WWE and diva matches, the crowd isn't deafly quiet and motionless during their matches. TNA Impact is a far smaller crowd then WWE televised events and they're far from quiet during Diva matches or segments so I think it's a bit of an off comparison when comparing the Knockouts to the Diva's and how good their matches are or how into it the crowd is. I'm by no means a fan of the Diva's matches but seriously. TNA's knockouts draw the most for IMPACT's product, yes.. the Diva's aren't by far the highest draw for ratings in the WWE.. but has anyone actually done a clear and direct comparison between the ratings of their matches and segments and how many are watching both? If so, I'd be interested to see. It's a bit of a stretch I think to compare the knockouts drawing to the Diva's not.

 

[Bernkastel]

How do you figure that? I've watched WWE and diva matches, the crowd isn't deafly quiet and motionless during their matches.

Really, because half the time I watch a divas match, I see half the audience sitting on their hands and others up walking around. Its painfully oblivious that the Divas are the intermission act of the show.

TNA Impact is a far smaller crowd then WWE televised events

better 3,000 people chant your name than have the majority of 14,000 not notice you at all

and they're far from quiet during Diva matches or segments

its the atrociousness of having to watch matches with women that don't know what their doing that puts most of the WWE fans to sleep.

so I think it's a bit of an off comparison when comparing the Knockouts to the Diva's and how good their matches are or how into it the crowd is.

Really? The Knockouts get a consistent reaction from the crowd and they have proven themselves to be a big draw for TNA (where there is evidence of the Divas constantly receiving little reactions to their matches, losing the attention of fans, and causing a decline in ratings.) Based on that, I thinks its fairly easily to say that the Knockouts are superior to the Divas

TNA's knockouts draw the most for IMPACT's product, yes.. the Diva's aren't by far the highest draw for ratings in the WWE.

^^ Evidence that The Knockouts are better than the Divas

but has anyone actually done a clear and direct comparison between the ratings of their matches and segments and how many are watching both?.

I don't know, I could look, but I doubt the Divas would be scoring 0.8 - 1.0 ratings consistently with their matches.

 

[jjis]

To say the Knockouts are a big draw for TNA is an overstatement, their matches may do a couples tenths of a point better, but it's not really that much at all. Their better rating probably coincides with the best demo for TNA. Dirty old men 50+ like to look at the young girls wrestling.

 

[Talon_DR]

Impact did a .86 last night. NBA finals really can't be an excuse, since that rating is within the range TNA has always done.

I have heard that many other ratings dropped much more than what TNA did including a few top shows. I also heard that the 0.9 is much higher than what Spike expected TNA to do so not many people are upset about it.

This is disappointing especially for the solid edition of iMPACT TNA had. I expect ratings to be down until the NBA Finals end. Even Glen Gilberti predicted the ratings drop due to Celtics playing Lakers which will always be competitive.

I just want to know if TNA is upset about the 0.9 or if Spike TV is upset with the ratings. If anyone could answer that (another reader or Glen) that would be excellent.

 

[gg inferno]

the rating is not below expectations. a high .7 would have been discouraging, but you would have to be ignorant if you don't think that the lakers celtics nba finals game 1 would take a chunk out of the 18-34 year old target demographic.

 

[gg inferno]

To say the Knockouts are a big draw for TNA is an overstatement, their matches may do a couples tenths of a point better, but it's not really that much at all. Their better rating probably coincides with the best demo for TNA. Dirty old men 50+ like to look at the young girls wrestling.

why is it an overstatement? any segment that doesn't cause the viewer to change the channel should be considered a draw.

 

[Talon_DR]

the rating is not below expectations. a high .7 would have been discouraging, but you would have to be ignorant if you don't think that the lakers celtics nba finals game 1 would take a chunk out of the 18-34 year old target demographic.

So right now TNA is still exceeding expectations of Spike and themselves, that is good. I always thought they would lose ratings against the NBA Finals and just hope people who matter recognize thats why the ratings dropped. I personally think the lower ratings have been a result of the competition on Thursday Nights against shows like Lost and Office and the end of the NBA Season. I think TNA has alot to offer, just people find these other shows more attractive and tune in to them.

If a high 0.7 would have been discouraging for the NBA Finals competition, what is the expectations for the norrmal Spike TV?

By the way I would hope TNA stays on the path its on a don't stray from its current direction. WWE are trying to get insta-ratings through all these ploys that only hurt the overall product. As long as TNA keeps going and keeps improving, it will be a great product.

 

[MisterRob]

Really, because half the time I watch a divas match, I see half the audience sitting on their hands and others up walking around. Its painfully oblivious that the Divas are the intermission act of the show.

better 3,000 people chant your name than have the majority of 14,000 not notice you at all.

I think you need to watch THIS and tell me the crowds not reacting because you'd have to be blind and deaf to actually believe that from watching this match. Much like people labeled as "TNA haters" are very biased and exaggerate facts, you're doing the same right here about WWE Diva's.

That's painfully oblivious to me.

^^ Evidence that The Knockouts are better than the Divas

How so? That's not evidence the Knockouts are better than the Divas. That's evidence that the Knockouts are the best draw on TNA's show, which is a sad, sad reality when the Knockouts are doing a higher rating then your main event wrestlers and top stars. People who are suppose to be your top draws! That's a very serious problem, in my opinion and screams a warning.

I don't know, I could look, but I doubt the Divas would be scoring 0.8 - 1.0 ratings consistently with their matches.

I think you'd really need to look this up and prove it as fact because to me it's extremely flawed logic. You have a Monday Night RAW show that usually averages 3's or higher and you're telling me the Divas do less then the knockout's 0.8 - 1.0? I don't believe it and it's far fetched. I'm not a fan of the Divas over the knockouts or vice versa, but I don't agree the Knockouts are better wrestlers then the Divas overall because the WWE has some really talented Divas in the ring like Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Victoria, and now Natty Niedhart. I'd also bet that ratings wise the Knockouts don't do better then the Divas at all, there's just a far smaller viewing audience to measure from. But if someone can prove I'm wrong here I'm more then willing to accept that.

 

[Bernkastel]

I think you need to watch THIS and tell me the crowds not reacting because you'd have to be blind and deaf to actually believe that from watching this match. Much like people labeled as "TNA haters" are very biased and exaggerate facts, you're doing the same right here about WWE Diva's.

That's painfully oblivious to me.

Hmm... so now I'm a Diva hater? I don't recall ever saying I hate the Divas. All I see when I look at the Diva Division are matches that are hit and miss, where the Knockouts get a consistent reaction for all their matches

How so? That's not evidence the Knockouts are better than the Divas. That's evidence that the Knockouts are the best draw on TNA's show, which is a sad, sad reality when the Knockouts are doing a higher rating then your main event wrestlers and top stars. People who are suppose to be your top draws! That's a very serious problem, in my opinion and screams a warning.

But that would make them better draws correct? The knockouts have proven themselves to be a top draw, that entertains the fans, and draws new fans in. I don't know a direct comparison for the ratings between the Divas and Knockouts, but I do know that the diva segments (when combined for all three shows) are known to lose viewers. I would think a division (in a smaller company) that draws regularly and draws new fans in would be considered a better draw than a division (in a larger company) that tends to draw poorly when compared to the rest of the show and tends to drive fans away.

I think you'd really need to look this up and prove it as fact because to me it's extremely flawed logic.

I'll give it a shot and see what I can find

WWE has some really talented Divas in the ring like Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Victoria, and now Natty Niedhart.

So these 4 are better than a roster of women in which all but like 3 are highly skilled? I would bet that you've probably never even seen half of those women on the TNA roster wrestle outside of TNA.

It seems to me that your trying to compare the Divas on RAW or the Divas on SD to the Knockouts and it won't work that way. In order for me to get a fair rating comparison between the Knockouts and Divas, I'd have to combine the Divas (and their matches) from RAW, SD, and ECW to get the ratings of what the Diva Division as a whole actually draws. And I can say right now that the rating for the Beth/Katie Lea vs Mickie/Melina match would definitely look considerably worse when it has Kelly vs Layla and Maryse vs Cherry averaged in beside it. Because of that I think its very possible that the Divas could draw less than the Knockouts do in TNA.

 

[gg inferno]

Mister Rob,
during the wwe's highest ratings period, Sable was the highest rated character on the show. it'd be alarming if the girls DIDN"T draw, which would mean your audience finds them unattractive. Maybe WRESTLING fans think that the wrestlers should do better than the girls, but it's alot easier for a channelsurfer to stop on your show if there's hot chicks, and alot more difficult for them to change the channel.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Mister Rob,
during the wwe's highest ratings period, Sable was the highest rated character on the show. it'd be alarming if the girls DIDN"T draw, which would mean your audience finds them unattractive. Maybe WRESTLING fans think that the wrestlers should do better than the girls, but it's alot easier for a channelsurfer to stop on your show if there's hot chicks, and alot more difficult for them to change the channel.

Woah woah woah woah. During the WWF(E)'s highest rating period, Sable wasn't even around. She was in a lawsuit with the company while The Rock and Mankind were cashing in on "This is Your Life."

To be less technical, I'm assuming you were referring to the time between Wrestlemania XIV and Wrestlemania XV, roughly. Now, are you telling me that during the ratings shift, Sable was carrying the company on her back and singlehandedly making Vince a billionaire and burying Nitro on a weekly basis? If this is your statement, then I would strongly recommend that you create a time machine, go back in time, and revoke it. Sable WAS NOT the highest rated character on the show. Not even close. If I'm not mistaken, Sable was around as a valet before the ratings shift happened.

Stone Cold Steve Austin v. Mr. McMahon combined for being the highest rated draw every Monday night, not Sable. Those two made the ratings what they were, and they elevated the rest of the talent on the roster, bringing out the best in The Rock, Mick Foley, Taker, and Hunter. Divas have never been anything more than a supporting draw. Otherwise, swimsuit specials and porn channels would get the highest ratings in the world. People didn't tune in to see Sable. They liked it when she was on because it added another element of interest to the show, but they tuned in every week because they wanted to see what Vince was going to do to Stone Cold next, and vice versa.

Sable as the biggest draw? That's like saying the Nitro Girls were the biggest draw on Nitro. They don't have Sable and the Nitro Girls in any main events, Disco.

 

[BradXXX]

You know, before I start, I'll say this:
TNA Impact is my favorite wrestling show on tv.

That being said, it's not saying that much...

I mean, overall, the shows are pretty good. But one thing I've noticed, that really irritates the shit out of me lately, is all the shows are pretty much the same. I understand having storylines that continue on a weekly basis, but why do the shows not really vary? I literally feel like I'm watching the same episode every week. This week my girlfriend actually said, "Didn't we watch this one already?"

I'm all for continuing storylines every week, but geeeeeez... It also seems like way too much recapping on every show. I understand you want viewers to know what happened last week but it's gotten to the point where I feel like I could just skip a week of Impact, and just watch next weeks, since it'll be basically the same, and you'll show all the same stuff again anyway.

Spice this shit up.

Hopefully having Abyss return will add a little more depth to the show. I've always enjoyed his character.

 

[MisterRob]

But that would make them better draws correct? The knockouts have proven themselves to be a top draw, that entertains the fans, and draws new fans in. I don't know a direct comparison for the ratings between the Divas and Knockouts, but I do know that the diva segments (when combined for all three shows) are known to lose viewers. I would think a division (in a smaller company) that draws regularly and draws new fans in would be considered a better draw than a division (in a larger company) that tends to draw poorly when compared to the rest of the show and tends to drive fans away.

This to me is another example of flawed logic. No, because the Knockouts are drawing higher in terms of their ratings then the Divas are drawing in terms of WWE's ratings it does not prove they're better draws at all. It proves that they are the best draws on TNA's product. It proves that the rest of TNA's roster cannot draw as much as the women. That's not the case for WWE, they don't have that problem with their top stars and higher card talent. The rest of the WWE roster can actually draw well in terms of ratings compared to the Divas. You're trying to compare how well the knockouts draw by the number of viewers who watch their matches.. sorry to tell you but to do that you have to compare the number of viewers who are watching the Knockouts and the number of viewers who are watching the Divas, and until you have those numbers you can't claim the Knockouts are better draws. You can claim they're better draws compared to the rest of the TNA roster, sure. If the Divas get the same amount of viewers watching them then the Knockouts do them then your point is completely moot. Hell, you can look at ECW and put aside the higher rated shows of RAW and Smackdown. Just look at ECW which is closest to TNA ratings-wise and find out the number of viewers watching their Diva matches and segments, as they're the "low end" of the Diva scale in the WWE.

So these 4 are better than a roster of women in which all but like 3 are highly skilled? I would bet that you've probably never even seen half of those women on the TNA roster wrestle outside of TNA.

Who cares whether I’ve seen them outside of TNA or not. What matters is what they do and how they wrestle in TNA. Kelly Kelly and Layla aren’t promoted or made to be women’s wrestlers, they’re DIVA’s, hence why they‘re not wrestling consistently and on RAW vying for the Women‘s championship. The knockouts have been promoted and marketed as women’s wrestlers, that’s not the same as a WWE Diva. But the women’s wrestlers in WWE, such as those I listed before, can match up just fine against the best Knockouts in TNA in my opinion.


I actually re-watched the some parts of the replay of Impact tonight and I noticed some things that made me think TNA has a problem paying attention to detail, like I’ve noticed in the past as well. In the King of Mountain X division match Jimmy Rave got pinned and therefore placed in the penalty box and two seconds later Kaz got pinned and joined him in the penalty box. At the end of the match Curry Man eliminated Devine and Sabin and was climbing the ladder, only for Kaz to get out of the penalty box at the last second, race up and eliminate Curry Man to win the match. So where in the heck was Jimmy Rave who should’ve been out BEFORE Kaz? He just disappeared..

I’m also wondering why Daffney put in a mouth piece and why they wore gloves when she challenged Awesome Kong. I really don’t like the way they’ve been doing these segments and trying to promote Kong’s dominance. Why not have her send out an open challenge each week to any women wrestlers from anywhere in the world to challenge her for her title to prove her dominance, then promote these women, like Daffney, as credible wrestlers and challenges to her so when she beats them she is proving her dominance. I don’t see how she’s so dominant by accepting challenges from people in the crowd who are suppose to be just random fans… obviously she should be dominating them, it’s to be expected.

 

[Bernkastel]

No, because the Knockouts are drawing higher in terms of their ratings then the Divas are drawing in terms of WWE's ratings it does not prove they're better draws at all. It proves that they are the best draws on TNA's product. It proves that the rest of TNA's roster cannot draw as much as the women. That's not the case for WWE, they don't have that problem with their top stars and higher card talent. The rest of the WWE roster can actually draw well in terms of ratings compared to the Divas. You're trying to compare how well the knockouts draw by the number of viewers who watch their matches.. sorry to tell you but to do that you have to compare the number of viewers who are watching the Knockouts and the number of viewers who are watching the Divas and until you have those numbers you can't claim the Knockouts are better draws. You can claim they're better draws compared to the rest of the TNA roster, sure. If the Divas get the same amount of viewers watching them then the Knockouts do them then your point is completely moot. Hell, you can look at ECW and put aside the higher rated shows of RAW and Smackdown. Just look at ECW which is closest to TNA ratings-wise and find out the number of viewers watching their Diva matches and segments, as they're the "low end" of the Diva scale in the WWE.

logically the Diva Division as a unit will be getting more views than the Knockouts division because WWE is a larger promotion than TNA, their more established and have a larger fan base. I could cut the Diva Division into subsections and compare them each individually to the Knockouts, but then that wouldn't be a fair rating. I could compare the two divisions by finding what each diva division on each show of WWE's draws as a unit, then average the ratings together to see what the Divas division as a unit actually draws, then compare that number to the Knockouts. Like I said, I think it could be very possible that the Divas get worse ratings than the Knockouts

I really don’t like the way they’ve been doing these segments and trying to promote Kong’s dominance. Why not have her send out an open challenge each week to any women wrestlers from anywhere in the world to challenge her for her title to prove her dominance, then promote these women, like Daffney, as credible wrestlers and challenges to her so when she beats them she is proving her dominance

Its much easier to use American indy talent rather than trying to Import from Europe or Japan or Mexico for a one night stand, TNA is still having difficulties trying to sign Sarah Stock to a long term contract.

TNA is probably going to use the Kong storyline to help introduce and establish a new talent in order to push said talent into a long term feud with Kong for the title, I will say the woman that does defeat Kong in these random matches will receive a huge momentum push. But, I agree the Kong angle as of right now is pointless, and if it turns out TNA was just using this as a way to bide their time before they gave kong another angle I would have rather seen another Gail vs Kong angle.

 

[gg inferno]

Woah woah woah woah. During the WWF(E)'s highest rating period, Sable wasn't even around. She was in a lawsuit with the company while The Rock and Mankind were cashing in on "This is Your Life."

To be less technical, I'm assuming you were referring to the time between Wrestlemania XIV and Wrestlemania XV, roughly. Now, are you telling me that during the ratings shift, Sable was carrying the company on her back and singlehandedly making Vince a billionaire and burying Nitro on a weekly basis? If this is your statement, then I would strongly recommend that you create a time machine, go back in time, and revoke it. Sable WAS NOT the highest rated character on the show. Not even close. If I'm not mistaken, Sable was around as a valet before the ratings shift happened.

Stone Cold Steve Austin v. Mr. McMahon combined for being the highest rated draw every Monday night, not Sable. Those two made the ratings what they were, and they elevated the rest of the talent on the roster, bringing out the best in The Rock, Mick Foley, Taker, and Hunter. Divas have never been anything more than a supporting draw. Otherwise, swimsuit specials and porn channels would get the highest ratings in the world. People didn't tune in to see Sable. They liked it when she was on because it added another element of interest to the show, but they tuned in every week because they wanted to see what Vince was going to do to Stone Cold next, and vice versa.

Sable as the biggest draw? That's like saying the Nitro Girls were the biggest draw on Nitro. They don't have Sable and the Nitro Girls in any main events, Disco.

you're missing the point. sable's success was a defense that proves that hot women draw, and you shouldn't be ashamed if they're near the top, ratings wise. it's common sense. your top characters are on the show, then the girls come on. what 18-34 year old male is going to change the channel? i'm not saying anything creatievly about what you do with them, but the bottom line is that most viewers would stay tuned if velvet sky was on, as opposed to leilani kai. hot girls cause you to stay tuned. that' why they get numbers. and they can perform pretty well to boot. and i never said she was the biggest draw, money wise i'm assuming you're referring to., all i said was she got the highest numbers, i.e. when her segments came on, ratings rose at the highest rate.

 

[image1986]

Meanwhile back on the farm lol. In other news I actually applause tna on the direction they have for aj styles. I have been a fan of him since tna started and I felt last year making him a comical heel kind of hurt his career and just drew cheap laughs. I think he is the most over face right now in which brings me to a question I have. How come it seems that styles is drawing more attention then the champion. Doesn't it hurt the main event when the champion isn't the main focus. I think joe as champion is pretty boring and isn't as exciting then if he had won it at the height of his popularity.