I agree to a point Marty, recently there hasn't been alot of character development or storyline development. For example the main focuses of the iMPACT! Tapings have been 1) Deuces Wild Tournament where little developments has been made 2) The Knockouts feud where no storyline development has been made 3) The Samoa Joe/Scott Steiner/Kurt Angle feud where no real storyline development has been made. Remember when TNA was getting those 1.2s? That happened when there was storyline and character development like Shark Boy and the Love Triangles between AJ/Karen and Kurt as well as Lethal/SoCal Val/Sonjay. The biggest character development has been Petey Williams and that has pretty much been all in looks.
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Marty2Hotty
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I think some of the best stuff TNA has ever done involved Prince AJ and he'd do something intriguing, entertaining every week. The stuff with Karen Angle back in the day were really great. The thing is when TNA were doing 1.2s and lots of entertainment like going to Shark Boy's house, the people online would bitch and whine, to the point of making TNA change the direction.
Well, TNA lowered the comedy and entertainment and look at where they are now. Back to square one and lower: .9.
Wade Keller would bitch at the quarterly ratings when they were doing their highest ratings of all time: 1.22. He doesn't bitch anymore because TNA has hit an all time low with a more wrestling-oriented direction, stories..
I disagree with you on the KNockouts though. I think TNA has done a great job with them: with Velvet Sky and Angelina Love. Everybody on the card for the women's division are pretty intriguing. I'd prefer more stuff happen though.
They're trying with the Steiner/Angle/Joe stuff.. but for whatever reason, it's kinda like another rasslin storyline. Little Petey Pump is okay.. but I found it entertaining when he was doing those passionate Maple Leaf Muscle promos.
I bet a Kevin Nash 15-20 minute stand up segment would draw a rating over 1.1 if the humour was funny. I mean, 6-8 million viewers back in the day tuned into Rock's promos, Rock/Sock, Austin/McMahon segments. There's obviously room for chaos to happen as TNA has Steiner, Sting, Nash, Booker T, Christian, Rhino, Kurt Angle, VKM, Dudley Boyz. They've got a stacked roster
I watch something like Oz and then tune into wrestling and everything is so predictable and childish. The ATtitude Era really cemented something different because it catered to a more adult-oriented direction. TNA claims to want that 18-34 demographic. If so, then why are the shows written for 6 year olds, bleeping out words like bitch and ass when the commercials on Spike TV air those words.
There's pretty much nothign "adult-oriented" about TNA wrestling. It's a tame wrestling show. How on earth are you supposed to create a new fanbase when the stories are all about wrestling/belts, and the wrestling is just wrestling matches for the most part. Nothign extraordinarily different or intriguing.
TNA has got to let GLenn and Vince tlak about the direction and change it and not pay any attention to the IWC for a solid year. They need to focus on revolutionizing the entertainment aspect and getting people talking/caring for TNA rather than trying to please the people online.
Well, TNA lowered the comedy and entertainment and look at where they are now. Back to square one and lower: .9.
Wade Keller would bitch at the quarterly ratings when they were doing their highest ratings of all time: 1.22. He doesn't bitch anymore because TNA has hit an all time low with a more wrestling-oriented direction, stories..
I disagree with you on the KNockouts though. I think TNA has done a great job with them: with Velvet Sky and Angelina Love. Everybody on the card for the women's division are pretty intriguing. I'd prefer more stuff happen though.
They're trying with the Steiner/Angle/Joe stuff.. but for whatever reason, it's kinda like another rasslin storyline. Little Petey Pump is okay.. but I found it entertaining when he was doing those passionate Maple Leaf Muscle promos.
I bet a Kevin Nash 15-20 minute stand up segment would draw a rating over 1.1 if the humour was funny. I mean, 6-8 million viewers back in the day tuned into Rock's promos, Rock/Sock, Austin/McMahon segments. There's obviously room for chaos to happen as TNA has Steiner, Sting, Nash, Booker T, Christian, Rhino, Kurt Angle, VKM, Dudley Boyz. They've got a stacked roster
I watch something like Oz and then tune into wrestling and everything is so predictable and childish. The ATtitude Era really cemented something different because it catered to a more adult-oriented direction. TNA claims to want that 18-34 demographic. If so, then why are the shows written for 6 year olds, bleeping out words like bitch and ass when the commercials on Spike TV air those words.
There's pretty much nothign "adult-oriented" about TNA wrestling. It's a tame wrestling show. How on earth are you supposed to create a new fanbase when the stories are all about wrestling/belts, and the wrestling is just wrestling matches for the most part. Nothign extraordinarily different or intriguing.
TNA has got to let GLenn and Vince tlak about the direction and change it and not pay any attention to the IWC for a solid year. They need to focus on revolutionizing the entertainment aspect and getting people talking/caring for TNA rather than trying to please the people online.
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
Here's my review for the latest edition of TNA IMPACT: 5/15/2008 entitled "What's Up with Booker":
there was a time when tna's shows were so dman good i'd say they were better than tnarick's shows. but his shows show more promise now because there is the risk factor.. and being different.
this show was okay w/ booker t being heel, angelina/velvet's great promo and being the heels. roxxi looks pretty cool with a shaved head imo. gail kim looked sexy tonight. TNA needs to do some bra and panties matches, lol.. that'd probably honestly boost the rating to 1.3 for that segment at least. but there was a lot of wrestling LAX wins. 3d beats up hector at the end.. kinda corny.
nash/joe talking. kurt angle's promo was funny and entertaining. he's injured so use him at what he does best and that's entertain and do great segments. AJ Styles cut off compeltely for this week.
EY is looking for elvis which is okay.. but nothing crazy
jay lethal proposes to so cal val and she accepts. sonjay looks upset.
Christian says sh*t on television.. which is okay, but TNA are kinda *****es for bleeping out ass and bitch and shows like Friends air those words...
abyss does a promo and i couldn't understand a word he said.
sting does an interview and talks about how he got into wrestling (again) and says him and warrior broke up near the end and it wasn't a friendly one. it's kinda cool that sting is treated like a legend but i dunno. they need to use them better. I still dont know how TNA gets so low ratinsg with the star power they have...
I dont think the show was edgy enough or had enough swerves to keep me interested. i fast forwarded the final match and i like all the main eventers.. but it ended with 3d beating up hector.. no shark boy again. I just want some entertainment like a shark boy promo/segment, which i didn't get...
okay show.. but not a highly recommended one because it was a traditional wrestling TNA show where not enough risks are taken, in my eyes
there was a time when tna's shows were so dman good i'd say they were better than tnarick's shows. but his shows show more promise now because there is the risk factor.. and being different.
this show was okay w/ booker t being heel, angelina/velvet's great promo and being the heels. roxxi looks pretty cool with a shaved head imo. gail kim looked sexy tonight. TNA needs to do some bra and panties matches, lol.. that'd probably honestly boost the rating to 1.3 for that segment at least. but there was a lot of wrestling LAX wins. 3d beats up hector at the end.. kinda corny.
nash/joe talking. kurt angle's promo was funny and entertaining. he's injured so use him at what he does best and that's entertain and do great segments. AJ Styles cut off compeltely for this week.
EY is looking for elvis which is okay.. but nothing crazy
jay lethal proposes to so cal val and she accepts. sonjay looks upset.
Christian says sh*t on television.. which is okay, but TNA are kinda *****es for bleeping out ass and bitch and shows like Friends air those words...
abyss does a promo and i couldn't understand a word he said.
sting does an interview and talks about how he got into wrestling (again) and says him and warrior broke up near the end and it wasn't a friendly one. it's kinda cool that sting is treated like a legend but i dunno. they need to use them better. I still dont know how TNA gets so low ratinsg with the star power they have...
I dont think the show was edgy enough or had enough swerves to keep me interested. i fast forwarded the final match and i like all the main eventers.. but it ended with 3d beating up hector.. no shark boy again. I just want some entertainment like a shark boy promo/segment, which i didn't get...
okay show.. but not a highly recommended one because it was a traditional wrestling TNA show where not enough risks are taken, in my eyes
Father:_Polley
Fun's my Chinese neighbour's name
you actually want TNA to turn what is their most popular segment into something which is no different from wwe?
This is the view of mr gilberti. TNA's women's division is popular because it is actually talented wrestlers. people like it because its not in your face and based on T&A like WWE. why else would they be getting such high reviews. It's possible to look good and be strong and wrestle. they have no reason to change because it works
For anyone who watched last night's Impact I have just one question:
How amped was that crowd? They were really into the show and that by default makes show a lot better. One of the main reasons I find the current WWE to be boring is the crowd is dead until a big spot or someone comes on screen from backstage. But last night the TNA crowd was really into the show and that made it very enjoyable. The more important question is: where was this crowd at Sacrifice PPV? The sacrifice crowd was dead most of the night and if you look at the crowd during some of the matches, half of them aren't even paying attention but walking around or looking away. That really cheapened the PPV in my eyes.
How amped was that crowd? They were really into the show and that by default makes show a lot better. One of the main reasons I find the current WWE to be boring is the crowd is dead until a big spot or someone comes on screen from backstage. But last night the TNA crowd was really into the show and that made it very enjoyable. The more important question is: where was this crowd at Sacrifice PPV? The sacrifice crowd was dead most of the night and if you look at the crowd during some of the matches, half of them aren't even paying attention but walking around or looking away. That really cheapened the PPV in my eyes.
I not quite sure what is was, but last night's iMPACT! (5/15/08) was really good to me. The confrontation between Joe and Booker was awesome!! I've never really even thought about a Booker/Joe feud but last night really put my mind into seeing a program with these 2. I only hope it could've been done later where we could see a PPV headline of Samoa Joe vs Booker T, not Joe vs Booker vs 3 other guys in a gimmick match. Honestly i've never liked the idea of King of the Mountain. A reverse Ladder match? why not just take the belt and walk to the back? Anyway, Knockouts delivered as Always Kong vs Kim is always money and The Beautiful People are perfect for that division. and even though short the 6-man X-division tag was great as well....well not great but decent enough and the feud with LAX and Team 3D is getting better and better...like i said can't quite put my finger on it but last night felt like i was watching a new TNA not a WWE wanna be...i always say don't be LIKE your competition, be BETTER!!
i give last night 3.5 stars
Could've had longer matches and don't throw commercials in mid-segement and kill the Eric Young looking for Elvis story i just see foolishness ahead for that....Less comedy, More mathces
i give last night 3.5 stars
Could've had longer matches and don't throw commercials in mid-segement and kill the Eric Young looking for Elvis story i just see foolishness ahead for that....Less comedy, More mathces
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
So TNA draw another 0.9 down from 1.2 that they were consistently getting in January. I still think this week's TNA show had too much wrestling and the storylines are not different or risque. They have a lot of stars and everything is kinda bland and done to death. The main event was just wrestling and a shitty finish with 3D beating up Hector. So what?
The show needs to be booked fully by Russo in order for the product to really flourish. They think having the women on the show will boost the ratings. They need a good overall product. They have all the stars in the world.
Hey, I think I can answer that. First off I also love TNA's ppv's outside of Orlando because the crowd is awesome, it reminds me of the old ECW ppv's.
Anyway my friend attended Sacrifice and she said the crowd was really pumped at first but when the crowd constantly saw the same guys fight over and over it started to become boring, and the Terrordome match wasn't really so good except for high spots.
She said the crowd picked up for the main event though and I understand why
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
Simple storylines are boring. Anyways, I think TNA did a great job this week for the most part. I wasn't 'marking out' like WWF or WCW Russo era, but the shows had a lot more intrigue and the last segment - face turn of AJ and Kurt/Karen was really good. The Karen/Kurt stuff was great too.
here's my comprehensive review:
Pretty good show - Hot Final Segment: 5/22/2008 iMPACT!
The last segment was probably the best. It was combined with the beatdown of AJ Styles and progress of Kurt/Karen. I really enjoyed the last segment and they did a good job. Tomko costs AJ the match
The fans were pretty hot for AJ Styles. AJ threw away his crown and stood up against Tomko. I thought Booker T was going to wear the crown to reprise teh "King Booker" gimmick, lol
Kong vs fan: hyped too much unnecessarily. We've seen Tiger Ali Signh do that, we've seen "Bruce", we've seen this many times in the past. To make a big deal about it kinda makes it corny. Speaking of corny, I'm kinda happy we didn't have to hear a rant from Jim Cornette.
Nash got some mic time which made me mark out but he didn't say much; he was upset that Joe didn't pick him.
I hope AJ Styles can still be a great character; I"m thinking he still can because he'd have to be the nice guy with Karen. I liked Kurt beating him up, and the fans were REALLY into the Kurt/Karen segment as was I.
Angelina/Velvet; pretty fast match and good ending with Roxxi beating up the ref. 3D/LAX match had some drama.. I was kinda getting restless but was kinda happy it was shorter. The main event, after fast forwarding a bit, it was cool that it ended with Tomko coming out
TNA going to Illinois. ARe those two cities travellable vis train or something from Chicago because I'm stopping by during that time.. and wanna check it out.
Morgan vs Roode.. okay... typical "heel" win. Morgan is "The Beast" in American Gladiators and will make his debut in a few weeks. Can't wait for that!
Booker T's promo with 3D was really cool. He was pissed at his locker room and said "what is this"? to Bubba's plaid shirt, and Bubba said 'that's mine". Booker is like Sorry. I was cracking up at that.
JB follows Trigg/Angle while they take a piss. This was a little humourous. I miss a lot of the comedy. No segment with Shark Boy. I'm happy that they cut "some" of the matches short, but I think they need much more entertainment, twists and turns, and great stories/drama (sorta like the Kurt/Karen) one.. the "as the angle turns" packages are pretty humourous as well.
Good ending to the show IMO, but I didn't mark out as much as I think I need to mark out to a typical Russo show that we'd see in WWF/WCW, but I guess this is a step "up".
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Are people going to whine and have the ratings go back down? TNA needs 1 FULL year of great shows.. This show wasn't super outstanding but I think it was watchable for the most part.. and I don't think there'll be 'too many' channel flippers during long and tedious matches. The stories wasn't incredibly cheesy to turn people away. The ending was probably the best part... there was some humour..
but yeah, they need to get on a 5 month streak of shows. IF the ratings go up, I dont want people whining about the content of the show. Why? Because it's getting new viewers. How are they going to get to that 3.0 if WHEN the ratings climb, people want a direction change. It takes 1-2 years to grow that audience while consistently delivering on a weekly basiss
I dont think TNA has done a full great show in some time and it's going to take a while to bring that 600,000 viewers back who enjoyed the shows in January
here's my comprehensive review:
Pretty good show - Hot Final Segment: 5/22/2008 iMPACT!
The last segment was probably the best. It was combined with the beatdown of AJ Styles and progress of Kurt/Karen. I really enjoyed the last segment and they did a good job. Tomko costs AJ the match
The fans were pretty hot for AJ Styles. AJ threw away his crown and stood up against Tomko. I thought Booker T was going to wear the crown to reprise teh "King Booker" gimmick, lol
Kong vs fan: hyped too much unnecessarily. We've seen Tiger Ali Signh do that, we've seen "Bruce", we've seen this many times in the past. To make a big deal about it kinda makes it corny. Speaking of corny, I'm kinda happy we didn't have to hear a rant from Jim Cornette.
Nash got some mic time which made me mark out but he didn't say much; he was upset that Joe didn't pick him.
I hope AJ Styles can still be a great character; I"m thinking he still can because he'd have to be the nice guy with Karen. I liked Kurt beating him up, and the fans were REALLY into the Kurt/Karen segment as was I.
Angelina/Velvet; pretty fast match and good ending with Roxxi beating up the ref. 3D/LAX match had some drama.. I was kinda getting restless but was kinda happy it was shorter. The main event, after fast forwarding a bit, it was cool that it ended with Tomko coming out
TNA going to Illinois. ARe those two cities travellable vis train or something from Chicago because I'm stopping by during that time.. and wanna check it out.
Morgan vs Roode.. okay... typical "heel" win. Morgan is "The Beast" in American Gladiators and will make his debut in a few weeks. Can't wait for that!
Booker T's promo with 3D was really cool. He was pissed at his locker room and said "what is this"? to Bubba's plaid shirt, and Bubba said 'that's mine". Booker is like Sorry. I was cracking up at that.
JB follows Trigg/Angle while they take a piss. This was a little humourous. I miss a lot of the comedy. No segment with Shark Boy. I'm happy that they cut "some" of the matches short, but I think they need much more entertainment, twists and turns, and great stories/drama (sorta like the Kurt/Karen) one.. the "as the angle turns" packages are pretty humourous as well.
Good ending to the show IMO, but I didn't mark out as much as I think I need to mark out to a typical Russo show that we'd see in WWF/WCW, but I guess this is a step "up".
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Are people going to whine and have the ratings go back down? TNA needs 1 FULL year of great shows.. This show wasn't super outstanding but I think it was watchable for the most part.. and I don't think there'll be 'too many' channel flippers during long and tedious matches. The stories wasn't incredibly cheesy to turn people away. The ending was probably the best part... there was some humour..
but yeah, they need to get on a 5 month streak of shows. IF the ratings go up, I dont want people whining about the content of the show. Why? Because it's getting new viewers. How are they going to get to that 3.0 if WHEN the ratings climb, people want a direction change. It takes 1-2 years to grow that audience while consistently delivering on a weekly basiss
I dont think TNA has done a full great show in some time and it's going to take a while to bring that 600,000 viewers back who enjoyed the shows in January
Here's my TNA Review: "Blah"
The Awesome Kong segment has been done so many times, and done better, that this segment made me wonder "why?" I wonder if this is going to spike the ratings. The Sting interview was completely pointless, you can watch those types of interviews on the internet, why put them on television when you can do other things with Sting? He's certainly lost all the "mystique" that once made Sting interesting. The whole Eric Young storyline needs to die. Seriously. Nash wants a world title shot? This entire storyline with Nash and Joe has been built up and seems so silly, and it's done far worse for Joe then it's done any positive in my mind. The whole "How can I watch your back if I'm not in the match" made no sense either. He can watch Joe's back the same way any manager has in the past! He can watch Joe's back the same way he watched Shawn Michael's back in the WWF when he wasn't IN the match!
TNA seems to always take something good and absolutely screw it up, much like AJ Styles. That final segment wasn't bad, the build up and emotional storyline seems to me like a mess.. I found that Karen/Angle segment when he asked her to take him back painful to watch. Not at all in a good way. The final segment itself this week did it's job of making people want to see AJ get his revenge, but over the long term I think this entire storyline and what they've done with AJ Styles hasn't given him "character" it's taken away from what he was and has killed any aura in my mind of the main event AJ Styles. I can't see him anymore facing for the World championship, or take his character seriously at all, they've turned him into a fool who has been after another man's wife (even though he's already married himself!) AJ Styles use to be a character who was bold and brash, who would come out and you paid attention to, who you expected the unexpected with and saw as a main eventer simply by his "presence", now he's become a joke. He's become a victim of not only idiocy, bad booking and writing, but also of all the heels who've taken advantage of him time and time again. It's like he's become some entirely different twin then the old AJ Styles, completely unrealistic change in personality.
I don't think Marty2Hotty needs to worry about ratings going up and people whining. I certainly don't think he needs to worry about ratings ever reaching a 3.0. It'll be a very, very, very long time and huge changes would have to be made for the product to ever get there. If they've lost 600,000 viewers since January, then any point you've tried to make about ratings, or Vince Russo, in the past is thrown out the window.
People, whether it's in TNA or fans at home or on the internet, need to stop talking about TNA competing with the WWE. It isn't and it certainly won't for a hell of a long time. What TNA needs to do is focus on making their own product a success and nothing more. They need to make their company profitable, they need to make TNA unique (something it could've been and could be but certainly isn't right now). They need to focus on long term success instead of short term gimmicks. And one thing they seriously need to ever improve is new announcers. Don't underestimate the negative impact bad announcers can have on a product and the viewers watching, and Don West is absolutely horrible.
Oh, and whatever happened to the "Next big thing" Matt Morgan?
The Awesome Kong segment has been done so many times, and done better, that this segment made me wonder "why?" I wonder if this is going to spike the ratings. The Sting interview was completely pointless, you can watch those types of interviews on the internet, why put them on television when you can do other things with Sting? He's certainly lost all the "mystique" that once made Sting interesting. The whole Eric Young storyline needs to die. Seriously. Nash wants a world title shot? This entire storyline with Nash and Joe has been built up and seems so silly, and it's done far worse for Joe then it's done any positive in my mind. The whole "How can I watch your back if I'm not in the match" made no sense either. He can watch Joe's back the same way any manager has in the past! He can watch Joe's back the same way he watched Shawn Michael's back in the WWF when he wasn't IN the match!
TNA seems to always take something good and absolutely screw it up, much like AJ Styles. That final segment wasn't bad, the build up and emotional storyline seems to me like a mess.. I found that Karen/Angle segment when he asked her to take him back painful to watch. Not at all in a good way. The final segment itself this week did it's job of making people want to see AJ get his revenge, but over the long term I think this entire storyline and what they've done with AJ Styles hasn't given him "character" it's taken away from what he was and has killed any aura in my mind of the main event AJ Styles. I can't see him anymore facing for the World championship, or take his character seriously at all, they've turned him into a fool who has been after another man's wife (even though he's already married himself!) AJ Styles use to be a character who was bold and brash, who would come out and you paid attention to, who you expected the unexpected with and saw as a main eventer simply by his "presence", now he's become a joke. He's become a victim of not only idiocy, bad booking and writing, but also of all the heels who've taken advantage of him time and time again. It's like he's become some entirely different twin then the old AJ Styles, completely unrealistic change in personality.I don't think Marty2Hotty needs to worry about ratings going up and people whining. I certainly don't think he needs to worry about ratings ever reaching a 3.0. It'll be a very, very, very long time and huge changes would have to be made for the product to ever get there. If they've lost 600,000 viewers since January, then any point you've tried to make about ratings, or Vince Russo, in the past is thrown out the window.
People, whether it's in TNA or fans at home or on the internet, need to stop talking about TNA competing with the WWE. It isn't and it certainly won't for a hell of a long time. What TNA needs to do is focus on making their own product a success and nothing more. They need to make their company profitable, they need to make TNA unique (something it could've been and could be but certainly isn't right now). They need to focus on long term success instead of short term gimmicks. And one thing they seriously need to ever improve is new announcers. Don't underestimate the negative impact bad announcers can have on a product and the viewers watching, and Don West is absolutely horrible.
Oh, and whatever happened to the "Next big thing" Matt Morgan?
Last night was an ok impact. The last segement was excellent and the saving grace of the entire show but there was something missing... Hmm.... what could it be?... Wait I know. Actual wrestling with real finishes. I'm not saying every finish needs to be a clean pin but a run in or interference on every single match seems to cheapen the entire angle of using interference or run in. In other words... Homicide should've won cleanly and then put through a table.
No X division matches. Gah. Only two segments on the entire X-division. No christian cage, no rhino, no Cornette. Sheesh what the hell. The people who draw me to the show weren't even on. In addition No Storm, Sting doing lame interviews I don't care about, No BG or Kip (which is actually a good thing), No Curryman or Sharkboy. Too much back stage interviewing with the same 8 people. Kevin Nash needs to just do what he's best at. Standing behind Joe acting like a mentor. However do keep up the good work with Matt Morgan and lets see him in a longer match. Maybe a 10 minute match. I want to see more than the same 5 moves I've seen him do.
No X division matches. Gah. Only two segments on the entire X-division. No christian cage, no rhino, no Cornette. Sheesh what the hell. The people who draw me to the show weren't even on. In addition No Storm, Sting doing lame interviews I don't care about, No BG or Kip (which is actually a good thing), No Curryman or Sharkboy. Too much back stage interviewing with the same 8 people. Kevin Nash needs to just do what he's best at. Standing behind Joe acting like a mentor. However do keep up the good work with Matt Morgan and lets see him in a longer match. Maybe a 10 minute match. I want to see more than the same 5 moves I've seen him do.
Impact this week was ok.The past couple of impacts have been been improving and been getting better i think this weeks episode really sold and put a little more interest into all of the current storylines going on and i liked they way they pluged the king of the moutain match for who dosen"t know about the match.the last segment to me was one the best beat down segments of all time.For a moment i really thought that kurt angle was going to come down and clear house but it then it me that theres no way hell thats going to happen.The only thing that was there was a lack of star power wrestling on the show and no x division matches. And to me i dont know whats all the hype about matt morgan who looked frekin retarted in his match with roode.But overall i'll give this week show a 3.5 out 5
Father:_Polley
Fun's my Chinese neighbour's name
So TNA has successfully managed to log in the lowest rating of the year on a segment. What I want to know, is how can Marty think that comedy characters are really what is selling TNA, whenever it was a comedy character in Eric Young that managed to score this 'feat'.
Maybe if it was Super Eric did it, it might have been the top rating segment ever, but we'll never know. Either that or it was just a stupid segment which deserved to be last, but who am I to know.
As far as the show goes, I thought it was good, although the future wedding at Slammiversary is going to be a car-wreck waiting to happen. Judging by that segment with Rock n Rave, it's going to be awful. Dutt can't act, Lethal can't speak so it's going to be awful
Maybe if it was Super Eric did it, it might have been the top rating segment ever, but we'll never know. Either that or it was just a stupid segment which deserved to be last, but who am I to know.
As far as the show goes, I thought it was good, although the future wedding at Slammiversary is going to be a car-wreck waiting to happen. Judging by that segment with Rock n Rave, it's going to be awful. Dutt can't act, Lethal can't speak so it's going to be awful
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
The comedy TNA was doing in november-january was great... and it drew their highest ratings. TNA has done a lot of wrestling and lack of comedy or entertainment. THey lost a good portion of their viewers...
anyways, here's my write up on the most recent impact for 5/28/2008:
- Velvet/Angelina getting a pretty good push: promo and activity
- Season 5 finalist Ace Young showed up. Yes, a nobody reality "wannabe" star. Sonjay accepts the best man invitation
- Nash was hilarious on his segment with Cornette. I enjoyed it a lot. He said he wanted to be enforcer and asked Cornette to ask him nicely about getting rid of 3d/booker so that he can be kotm enforcer. He went backstage said he had a friend called "Louis", 3d/booker laughed and then he took his bat off "Louisville" and scared them off. It's just business. Nash stole the show
- AJ was going to announce something but Kurt beat him up. Karen did come out. Super beatdown with 3d/booker/tomko/kurt on AJ and Christian to end the show.
- Some backstage brawling with Storm/Rhino followed by Rhino winning clean. Christian wins clean. Awesome Kong beats up another "fan". Rock and Rave came out and fought. Angelina wins her match against Roxxi due to help from Velvet. Gail on crutches; ODB comes out. Some mumbling from Abyss. No Shark Boy.
I still don't think the show is compelling enough, but it had some decent moments. THe first segment was pretty cool to see everyone come out. Some okay insults,... much more childish compared to insults from teh Attiutde era or Russo swearing his ass off in WCW 2000 - stuff from Hart Foundation/DX was great.. Austin to McMahon. I want to see Shark Boy stun Cornette.. but TNA may not do it..
Okay show.. not sure i would give it a thumbs up though.. I want more mark out moments.. especially for a guy who sat through the entire attitude era and wcw russo era
anyways, here's my write up on the most recent impact for 5/28/2008:
- Velvet/Angelina getting a pretty good push: promo and activity
- Season 5 finalist Ace Young showed up. Yes, a nobody reality "wannabe" star. Sonjay accepts the best man invitation
- Nash was hilarious on his segment with Cornette. I enjoyed it a lot. He said he wanted to be enforcer and asked Cornette to ask him nicely about getting rid of 3d/booker so that he can be kotm enforcer. He went backstage said he had a friend called "Louis", 3d/booker laughed and then he took his bat off "Louisville" and scared them off. It's just business. Nash stole the show
- AJ was going to announce something but Kurt beat him up. Karen did come out. Super beatdown with 3d/booker/tomko/kurt on AJ and Christian to end the show.
- Some backstage brawling with Storm/Rhino followed by Rhino winning clean. Christian wins clean. Awesome Kong beats up another "fan". Rock and Rave came out and fought. Angelina wins her match against Roxxi due to help from Velvet. Gail on crutches; ODB comes out. Some mumbling from Abyss. No Shark Boy.
I still don't think the show is compelling enough, but it had some decent moments. THe first segment was pretty cool to see everyone come out. Some okay insults,... much more childish compared to insults from teh Attiutde era or Russo swearing his ass off in WCW 2000 - stuff from Hart Foundation/DX was great.. Austin to McMahon. I want to see Shark Boy stun Cornette.. but TNA may not do it..
Okay show.. not sure i would give it a thumbs up though.. I want more mark out moments.. especially for a guy who sat through the entire attitude era and wcw russo era
I am a TNA fan even moreso than WWE which I do not watch just read the results, but TNA is always this mixed bag. There are good things and bad things about every Impact, and they are easily consistent with that formula. It is difficult to say if anything really stands out because so much is going on. As far as aftermath, the way things are booked, most things won't matter in the short future. TNA creative needs to make a change in the way that they do things. They either do too much (i.e. Karen/Kurt/AJ drama) or too little (Samoa Joe's absence or lack of airtime so far on most Impacts). TNA is extremely unbalanced, and they obviously need to fix that because it shows in the ratings. With the TNA talent roster, they are more than capable.
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
i think the biggest concern is not enough "interesting" stuff happening every week. I think they did a good job. I dont think "Too much" can happen. Watch shows like 24 or Prison Break, or even Oz.. lots of stuff go on every week. The dialogue for Oz is edgy and twists and turns happen on a regular basis
Russo always booked lots of stuff happening for WWF attitude and even in his WCW runs. I think TNA is a little too tame.. but I did really enjoyt eh Nash stuff... very entertaining and he was pretty humourous.
I personally think Shark Boy mouthing off at Cornette, stunning him and just creating trouble... would equal high ratings for TNA.. I mean, it's different, it's interesting, and it's a guy imitating Austin really ewll.. If the segments are compelling, there's no reason to change the channel
When you put out a long wrestling match, you just make thousands of people bored and wanting to see "what else" is on other channels. In this day and age, you can't really let that happen.
Russo always booked lots of stuff happening for WWF attitude and even in his WCW runs. I think TNA is a little too tame.. but I did really enjoyt eh Nash stuff... very entertaining and he was pretty humourous.
I personally think Shark Boy mouthing off at Cornette, stunning him and just creating trouble... would equal high ratings for TNA.. I mean, it's different, it's interesting, and it's a guy imitating Austin really ewll.. If the segments are compelling, there's no reason to change the channel
When you put out a long wrestling match, you just make thousands of people bored and wanting to see "what else" is on other channels. In this day and age, you can't really let that happen.
GAH you know how many times I have heard that garbage. News flash its a FREAKING WRESTLING SHOW. There should be... I dunno... Wrestling?! When impact put on that one hour title shot with Rhino Angle and Cage was doing better ratings then currently. So what does that say about your theory?
Right now the reason why wrestling in general is down is a few reasons. First up its the summer. I for one am not going to be spending my summer inside my apartment watching TV. Two NBA playoffs. Three... TNA on a pole match.
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
Here's my write up on the latest show 6/5/2008:
"AJ is all serious now.. awkwardly serious. Velvet/Angelina's promo was too long.. it is kinda a predictable gimmick. getting a little tired of it unless it gets interesting. good to see gail back.
bachelor party for jay lethal. okay moments.. mostly kinda corny. shark boy got to talk. kip james ended up being the stripper
he then came out and wrestled in a six man which made no sense
the first segment was a match with rhino/christian vs booker roode... aj says he's on the same team as rhino/christian..
umm.. nash was funny. Someone needs to beat up Cornette.. nash's segment with joe backstage is probably the most interesting part of the show
tomko vs aj. aj wins clean. nash accidentally hits joe... my fav character is nash right now. the eric young stuff isn't funny and isn't really going anywhere
petey's time for mic time was up, and he was upset and then they cut to commercial break halfway through his mic time, which was moderately funny.
the kurt/karen stuff was kinda cringeworthy and i ended up fast forwarding it halfway through. i fast forwarded abyss' little speech
It was kinda a weird show.. kaz wins the kotm x match.. but yeah, i can't give this show a thumbs up either... it won't sell to the masses."
"AJ is all serious now.. awkwardly serious. Velvet/Angelina's promo was too long.. it is kinda a predictable gimmick. getting a little tired of it unless it gets interesting. good to see gail back.
bachelor party for jay lethal. okay moments.. mostly kinda corny. shark boy got to talk. kip james ended up being the stripper
he then came out and wrestled in a six man which made no sense
the first segment was a match with rhino/christian vs booker roode... aj says he's on the same team as rhino/christian..
umm.. nash was funny. Someone needs to beat up Cornette.. nash's segment with joe backstage is probably the most interesting part of the show
tomko vs aj. aj wins clean. nash accidentally hits joe... my fav character is nash right now. the eric young stuff isn't funny and isn't really going anywhere
petey's time for mic time was up, and he was upset and then they cut to commercial break halfway through his mic time, which was moderately funny.
the kurt/karen stuff was kinda cringeworthy and i ended up fast forwarding it halfway through. i fast forwarded abyss' little speech
It was kinda a weird show.. kaz wins the kotm x match.. but yeah, i can't give this show a thumbs up either... it won't sell to the masses."
laya_4life
Dark Match Jobber
sooo let me get this str8, Booker t has hated Robert Roode, and vice versa...the guy knocked out his wife and called her horse faced. but all of a sudden they tag up together??? no friction, no promo to explain anything, no mention of their past from the announcers??? good job tna
Some of what you say Marty is in fact true but not all of it.
The backstage segments are subjective so it matters on your taste if it's funny or entertaining. You didn't like it, I did like it. I am not hating you for not liking it because thats your opinion.
This was a pretty solid show from my standpoint with a few minor problems:
The Roode/Booker vs Christian/Rhino tag team match was average. I liked that TNA opened with in-ring action. Many people notice the shorter matches but after so many years of watching wrestling the way I have, I dont and I am relieved that some of these matches are shorter. I didnt like how Robert Roode and Booker T were so nice to each other after such a long feud not so long ago. It would be better if they had just argued or stared down each other etcetera. Team 3D interfering made sense but I am kind of getting tired of so many unclean finishes. Didnt bring down the show whatsoever though!
AJ Styles was great tonight from calling Tomko, Kurt Angles butt buddy to his match with Tomko to his fiery backstage interview. AJ Styles has some hot momentum that needs to be capitalized on.
Mickie Knuckles is so unattractive. It makes sense for her to be the Beautiful Peoples Enforcer though. The Street Fight between the Knockouts felt like it was about 7 or 8 minutes long but I guess it was only half that long. It was still a solid match.
I enjoyed the Bachelor Party segments. I was laughing a lot tonight. The Kip James, stripper thing was gross but funny. I am interested in what will happen at the Wedding at Slammiversary. Storm was a classic drunk and Shark Boy played his role well. The segments were good in my opinion but Jay just stood around rather than actually do anything.
Thank god the Eric searching for Elvis angle is over. I am tired of dufus Eric. The Super Eric thing was refreshing for a short period, now they have to find something more serious for him to do. How about introducing a TV Title, TNA Management?
I am kind of mixed on the Sting interview. It sets up his possible retirement but also references the WWE Retirement Angle. Everyone knows the Sports Entertainment world revolves around the WWE. I am fine with TNA referencing the WWE as long as they dont make WWE look superior. TNA isnt close to being #1 but can get heat from WWE and eventually grow to #2. By the way does anyone else notice that WWE is referencing TNA less and less, such as their One Night Stand Feedback article asking what the fans favorite PPV was in May. (Excluded the Sacrifice PPV)
I thought the King of the Mountain match was excellent and could be a TV MOTY Candidate for wrestling. My only gripe about the match is holding it three days before another one at Slammiversary. It takes away some importance of the PPV Match. Also I thought KOTM was a Heavyweight Division exclusive match. This match was solid though and Kaz came off like a champion. Poor Curry Man, you were so close.
The Fan Challenge was getting repetitive but this editions was interesting because of the three candidates involved. I recognized the names of Becky Bayless and Amber ONeal. I remember Daphne from WCW and must say that she looks a lot hotter now than she did in WCW, with all the makeup and stuff.
The Abyss video was meaningless because everyone knew the information already. I thought I saw Abyss without his mask but the next time I looked I though I saw him with a Leatherface type mask. We shall see at Slammiversary.
The Six Man Tag wasnt horrible but wasnt good either. Matt Morgan was the star here as he hit Kip with the F-5 Move he did to Big Show. I am a fan of his Mount Morgan Drop but the F-5 is cool too.
The Petey Williams segment was funny. I like how Petey got cocky saying that the show runs on his schedule (or something like that) but then the next moment they cut to commercials.
The Point/Counterpoint segment was good in that it got the point across that Kurt wanted to hurt AJ Styles. Karen Angle is a great actress but her fake crying thing is stale and ruins her acting.
AJ Styles vs Tomko was solid. Kevin Nash played his role well. Why would Robert Roode intervene however? What is his problem with AJ Styles? The fallout brawl was also good but felt repetitive because it has been done so much in the past few weeks. I like the dynamic between Kevin Nash and Joe.
Unfortunately this show wont likely get a good rating despite the quality product this week. iMPACT went head to head with the first NBA Finals Game. I personally think that is a good reason ratings are down because Thursday Night is also NBA Night.
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Saying the show won't sell to the masses is an unsupported theory. I could argue that ratings are down because of the NBA Season Finals and because people actually care this year about whose playing in them. I could also argue that the level of competition TNA has in other shows on Thursdays are bringing the ratings down. In January the Writer's Strike was still going on and the number of alternatives to TNA were much lower than they are now.
TNA needs to support a mixed bag of Entertainment and Wrestling. I am not a fan of 20 minute matches on TV. I also don't like most matches going under 4 minutes unless they are squash matches because the matches feel rushed in my opinion. A TV Time Limit concept would help that problem.
Other things that need be mentioned is the production of the shows. I love TNA but think that the show feels rushed because no segments get alot of time to breath since the automatically cut to the back or to another segment right away.
It also depends on who TNA is featuring that will draw the ratings. Sting is a huge sell but nobody wants to hear a Sting Interview unless its controversial. Things like that are there for TNA Fans, not casual viewers. Kip James and Matt Morgan are slow and unappealing to the mass audience because there is nothing special about them. Matt Morgan is coming into his own but Kip James is done with and should be dropped from TNA.
I am not a booker or writer by any means and couldn't tell you everything that draws ratings. I bet heavy competition is one of them and funny or dramatic moments are another. Eye Candy is yet another one. What I will say is that TNA could be looking for the casual viewers but they try and give the TNA Fans variety in the product.
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
haha.. good point on that..
talon..
yeah, aj had some okay insults.. but him going serious 100% overnight? he took karen out to a date, he kissed her at the wedding, and was goofy, hilariously goofy. now he's all serious. I kinda don't buy it.. if you're going to make him serious.. give him some of that goofy personality to combine it.. he can still be a goofy likable character yet have some serious side to him
I read on a news report that Russo wanted another hot chick to joint he beautiful people yet Jarrett didn't want to. For no reason, they shove some big chick with them.. weird
Yeah, the awesome kong stuff is kinda corny which is why i fast forwarded it. nothing i haven't seen since the attitude era..
Talon, Glenn or TNA can make tons of excuses about the playoffs etc. But the attitud eera's ratings always held strong during these events and holidays. If your show is good, people will watch. If peoeple are switching to anything else for whatever reason, it shows where they rank TNA on their "must see" list, in my opinion. that's just my take
I dont think the show is good enough to sell to the masses in 2008 in my opinion. People just don't care about wrestling anymore
I just want them to let Russo write controversial, intense dramatic storylines as well as include the comedy that he used to write. The long wrestling matches have to go. The "good" entertainment aspect of the show needs to be embraced
Shark Boy needs to freakin stun Cornette. I bet that would draw a huge rating and if they put him and Cornette interacting every week people will want to see what goes down. They need more cocky, exciting characters...
I dunno man.. I wasn't really digging the show from an overall perspective and haven't really done so in a while.. but it was watchable.. at least some of it
gg inferno
Pre-Show Stalwart
i thought the same thing when i saw the format of the show, and it indeed was covered in a couple of backstage promos that they had that i guess i missed.
Quality product compared to what? I tried to actually watch TNA Impact this week and I was left shaking my head. The show starts with a tag team match that has Booker T and Robert Roode as partners, which makes absolutely no sense at all because they were just feuding with one another and absolutely despised one another and there's no mention of that from anyone. Obviously TNA's thinks the fans are stupid because the worst thing you can do is IGNORE such an obvious fact and not mention it, as if we've forgotten what happened a month ago before Booker T's random and abrupt heel turn. That one fact made the entire match negative, and then after the match the heels attack Christian. Why is Booker T and Team 3D alligned? Have they actually explained this or mentioned anything behind the reasoning? And then Roode even joins in to help, even though he and Booker T were mortal enemies a month ago. They also should've focused solely on AJ Styles's "save" instead of having him run in for a short burst of momentum and then start to get beat down until Rhino and Christian are back up and clear the ring. They should've had AJ Styles clear the ring and the heels run off reeling from his burst of offense alone to make it that much more effective for his run in.
The Beautiful People promo was awkward and pretty bad, and Angelina Love really isn't that beautiful. Then we go to a match that looked really bad, I hear all this praise about how much better the woman's division and it's wrestling is then WWE's but I didn't see that at all tonight. And then we have chaos once again after the match, a little too predictable.
Jay Lethal's bachelor party was horrible. I don't see how anyone could've found that entertaining, funny, or a "good" segment. I literally groaned. This entire storyline recreating Macho Man and Elizabeth is just horrible, how can you be original with something that's entirely unoriginal? It's not even amusing or fun in a nostalgic way because it's done so poorly and I have no attachment or care for either Jay Lethal or So Cal Val. They're not anything close to the level of Randy Savage and Elizabeth or loved by the world of wrestling and it's fans like they were, which is the first problem right there.
Then we have the absolute worst storyline ever in Eric Young. Thank god it's over but what a waste of tv time and effort over the weeks..
The Sting interview's uninteresting, and I feel the same way I did last week in terms of taking all the mystique from Sting and turning him into just a plain, blah character now. This is one thing they should learn from WCW; how to use Sting.
The King of the Mountain X division match made no sense to me either. Was this to decide who was going to face Petey Williams for the title at Slammiversary? Because right before the match they had been advertising Slammiversary and advertising Petey Williams vs. Kaz. And even so, they advertised Petey Williams vs. Kaz at Slammiversary so they already blew the entire outcome of the match. Did anyone believe that Kaz wouldn't win? He's being promoted as the number one contender for the X division title, having him lose would destroy the Slammiversary match. So in the end this entire match was pointless, and it also had the potential to be better then the King of the Mountain match at Slammiversary so it was another bad move.
I found almost every promo segment on this episode of Impact really bad, especially Kurt Angle and Karan Angle it was really unwatchable. The only promos that did work on some level in my mind were Kevin Nash's, and Petey Williams. But instead of promoting Kevin Nash so strongly I think they should do a better job of making all the other men in the main event of Slammiversary come out looking strong; you know, the ones actually in the match wrestling!
Tomko's got another loss. He's really out of the picture, isn't he? Over all I found this week's Impact extremely lacking and the only plus's I could see in the show were the actual wrestling matches even though there really wans't anything special about them, either. But if TNA's downplaying their matches and trying to promote their entertainment side of the show more they're doing a bad job because I found the behind the scenes segments poor. To me it really didn't do a great job of promoting Slammiversary and didn't put any interest in me to go out and buy the ppv, so they failed in the most important aspect with me.
yeah, aj had some okay insults.. but him going serious 100% overnight? he took karen out to a date, he kissed her at the wedding, and was goofy, hilariously goofy. now he's all serious. I kinda don't buy it.. if you're going to make him serious.. give him some of that goofy personality to combine it.. he can still be a goofy likable character yet have some serious side to him
I was a fan of the goofy AJ but leading up to Slammiversary, the match needs to be a heated Grudge Match like advertised. I would be fine with AJ acting all goofy and cute but A) Karen Angle isn't around to show off to and B) AJ has been beaten up pretty badly for two straight weeks which would piss me off as well.
I read on a news report that Russo wanted another hot chick to joint he beautiful people yet Jarrett didn't want to. For no reason, they shove some big chick with them.. weird
Yeah it was strange to see someone not as attractive join the beautiful people but I guess that TNA wanted to give Love and Sky someone ugly to compare themselves with and watch their backs.
Yeah, the awesome kong stuff is kinda corny which is why i fast forwarded it. nothing i haven't seen since the attitude era..
I was never a huge fan of Fan Challenges like this one and the Santino Marella one because I can't get behind someone I don't know, like I can with the wrestlers. However, I have heard of all three girls and realized the match was like 2 minutes. No big deal I take what I like and watch the rest even if I don't like it.
Talon, Glenn or TNA can make tons of excuses about the playoffs etc. But the attitud eera's ratings always held strong during these events and holidays. If your show is good, people will watch. If peoeple are switching to anything else for whatever reason, it shows where they rank TNA on their "must see" list, in my opinion. that's just my take
You're comparing TNA to the WCW and WWF during the most popular time in the history of wrestling, which can't be done. Back in the late 90's, wrestling was on fire and rivaled Basketball,Baseball or any other sport on TV. Both companies had been around for ages and had money to back up everything they did. Compare that to TNA Today who have only been around 6 years. They have to build their fanbase from the ground up. Wrestling all-around is less popular in 2008/2009 than 1998/1998 for a variety of reasons I won't get into, but you know about. I mentioned a few things I don't like about the TNA Product such as what I saw last night with production and booking errors. I think the Attitude Era in Wrestling is dead but that doesn't mean you can't take the good from it and mix it with solid wrestling to create TNA 2008.
I dont think the show is good enough to sell to the masses in 2008 in my opinion. People just don't care about wrestling anymore
I agree. The Sports Entertainment World revolves around the WWE. Everything they do affects everything everyone else does in one form or another. Had they held onto the fans from the Monday Night Wars through their product for the past ten years, TNA would have a bigger audience to attract. While there are many still waiting to be transitioned to a TNA Fan, TNA needs to do it through their brand of entertainment.
I just want them to let Russo write controversial, intense dramatic storylines as well as include the comedy that he used to write. The long wrestling matches have to go. The "good" entertainment aspect of the show needs to be embraced
While I have no factual information or sources to my info, I heard Jim Cornette was a booking genius. I respect the hell out of Russo and think he is one of the best writers in wrestling history. The problem I see with his style of writing/booking is that while the Entertainment value is brough up quite a bit, it comes at the cost of quality TV wrestling and booking. I would suggest an overhaul/re-vamp of TNA Creative. Jeff Jarrett would make the final calls and come up with the main gameplan, Jim Cornette and Vince Russo would be the Head Writers hopefully weeding out the bad from each other since I hear Cornette is good at booking while Russo is good at writing. Then guys like Mike Tenay, Scott D'Amore, Glen Gilberti and other could be Creative Consultants giving some ideas. That way more variety is added while a more solid product gets thrown out.
As for the "long" wrestling matches, I don't know if 6 minute matches are long. WWE has 15 minute matches involving guys like Batista that feels like it goes on for hours. TNA matches are much shorter but they need time to allow the TNA All-Stars to do their thing.
Ask any fan what they liked about TNA from 2005 and before and they will tell you the action, the X Division, the Tag Team Division and the solid booking. Storylines have never been huge with TNA Fans until Russo came on board and I am happy for that. Let's have a mix of entertaining drama and solid in-ring action. Fix the thing you are struggling at like the X Division, booking and production and you have your solid show
Shark Boy needs to freakin stun Cornette. I bet that would draw a huge rating and if they put him and Cornette interacting every week people will want to see what goes down. They need more cocky, exciting characters...
I completely agree with you on this. The reason I don't care so much about guys like Samoa Joe or LAX or Black Reign and Rellik anymore is because their lack of character. I loved Black Reign when he was the schizo, but what happened with that, now he's just a Monster. Samoa Joe and LAX used to have an edge about them but they lost that recently which in my opinion truly hurts their characters. Finally I do think more attention needs to be paid to Shark Boy and doing what you said would be entertaining.
I dunno man.. I wasn't really digging the show from an overall perspective and haven't really done so in a while.. but it was watchable.. at least some of it
I respect that, different strokes for different folks. When the ratings come in it won't prove anything against game one of the NBA Finals but we will see what the fans liked most during the Quarter Hours. There are definitely improvements that need to made whether it be the ones I suggested or the ones you suggested. Whatever it is I am sure TNA Management is capable enough on making those decisions.
I was a fan of the goofy AJ but leading up to Slammiversary, the match needs to be a heated Grudge Match like advertised. I would be fine with AJ acting all goofy and cute but A) Karen Angle isn't around to show off to and B) AJ has been beaten up pretty badly for two straight weeks which would piss me off as well.
I read on a news report that Russo wanted another hot chick to joint he beautiful people yet Jarrett didn't want to. For no reason, they shove some big chick with them.. weird
Yeah it was strange to see someone not as attractive join the beautiful people but I guess that TNA wanted to give Love and Sky someone ugly to compare themselves with and watch their backs.
Yeah, the awesome kong stuff is kinda corny which is why i fast forwarded it. nothing i haven't seen since the attitude era..
I was never a huge fan of Fan Challenges like this one and the Santino Marella one because I can't get behind someone I don't know, like I can with the wrestlers. However, I have heard of all three girls and realized the match was like 2 minutes. No big deal I take what I like and watch the rest even if I don't like it.
Talon, Glenn or TNA can make tons of excuses about the playoffs etc. But the attitud eera's ratings always held strong during these events and holidays. If your show is good, people will watch. If peoeple are switching to anything else for whatever reason, it shows where they rank TNA on their "must see" list, in my opinion. that's just my take
You're comparing TNA to the WCW and WWF during the most popular time in the history of wrestling, which can't be done. Back in the late 90's, wrestling was on fire and rivaled Basketball,Baseball or any other sport on TV. Both companies had been around for ages and had money to back up everything they did. Compare that to TNA Today who have only been around 6 years. They have to build their fanbase from the ground up. Wrestling all-around is less popular in 2008/2009 than 1998/1998 for a variety of reasons I won't get into, but you know about. I mentioned a few things I don't like about the TNA Product such as what I saw last night with production and booking errors. I think the Attitude Era in Wrestling is dead but that doesn't mean you can't take the good from it and mix it with solid wrestling to create TNA 2008.
I dont think the show is good enough to sell to the masses in 2008 in my opinion. People just don't care about wrestling anymore
I agree. The Sports Entertainment World revolves around the WWE. Everything they do affects everything everyone else does in one form or another. Had they held onto the fans from the Monday Night Wars through their product for the past ten years, TNA would have a bigger audience to attract. While there are many still waiting to be transitioned to a TNA Fan, TNA needs to do it through their brand of entertainment.
I just want them to let Russo write controversial, intense dramatic storylines as well as include the comedy that he used to write. The long wrestling matches have to go. The "good" entertainment aspect of the show needs to be embraced
While I have no factual information or sources to my info, I heard Jim Cornette was a booking genius. I respect the hell out of Russo and think he is one of the best writers in wrestling history. The problem I see with his style of writing/booking is that while the Entertainment value is brough up quite a bit, it comes at the cost of quality TV wrestling and booking. I would suggest an overhaul/re-vamp of TNA Creative. Jeff Jarrett would make the final calls and come up with the main gameplan, Jim Cornette and Vince Russo would be the Head Writers hopefully weeding out the bad from each other since I hear Cornette is good at booking while Russo is good at writing. Then guys like Mike Tenay, Scott D'Amore, Glen Gilberti and other could be Creative Consultants giving some ideas. That way more variety is added while a more solid product gets thrown out.
As for the "long" wrestling matches, I don't know if 6 minute matches are long. WWE has 15 minute matches involving guys like Batista that feels like it goes on for hours. TNA matches are much shorter but they need time to allow the TNA All-Stars to do their thing.
Ask any fan what they liked about TNA from 2005 and before and they will tell you the action, the X Division, the Tag Team Division and the solid booking. Storylines have never been huge with TNA Fans until Russo came on board and I am happy for that. Let's have a mix of entertaining drama and solid in-ring action. Fix the thing you are struggling at like the X Division, booking and production and you have your solid show
Shark Boy needs to freakin stun Cornette. I bet that would draw a huge rating and if they put him and Cornette interacting every week people will want to see what goes down. They need more cocky, exciting characters...
I completely agree with you on this. The reason I don't care so much about guys like Samoa Joe or LAX or Black Reign and Rellik anymore is because their lack of character. I loved Black Reign when he was the schizo, but what happened with that, now he's just a Monster. Samoa Joe and LAX used to have an edge about them but they lost that recently which in my opinion truly hurts their characters. Finally I do think more attention needs to be paid to Shark Boy and doing what you said would be entertaining.
I dunno man.. I wasn't really digging the show from an overall perspective and haven't really done so in a while.. but it was watchable.. at least some of it
I respect that, different strokes for different folks. When the ratings come in it won't prove anything against game one of the NBA Finals but we will see what the fans liked most during the Quarter Hours. There are definitely improvements that need to made whether it be the ones I suggested or the ones you suggested. Whatever it is I am sure TNA Management is capable enough on making those decisions.
I agree with this entirely. I don't like the goofy AJ Styles character at all, but turning him completely serious after building him as this goofy lackey character makes absolutely no sense to me. It seems to me to take everything they've done over the past who-knows-how-many months and just toss it out the window to go right back to the beginning. It's another example to me of them treating the viewer as idiots.
I suppose it makes sense if they're going with the Beautiful People as all talk and not able to back it up themselves so they need muscle. But it really did seem out of nowhere to me and the choice for this "bodyguard" doesn't even look like anything special. She's not much bigger then any of the other girls and doesn't stand out in any way, I'd expect someone who would stand out more in the role. Guess we'll see.
The highest rated segments have been "wrestling" segments, so I can't really agree with this logic. And I certainly don't want Russo's constant shoot style interviews and crash tv, it's boring and people got tired of it a long time ago. That's why the Attitude era is gone.
I disagree and I don't think this would do anything at all for ratings. It's completely unoriginal and just TNA blatantly recreating something that was already done, and done a a thousand times better then anything TNA could do with Shark Boy. No offense to Shark Boy but he's no Steve Austin, just a sad rip off that's going to quickly get tiresome and boring. I'm already at that point, personally. I really don't think anyone would give two shits about Shark Boy feuding with Cornette. The initial "stunner" would be amusing, and then from there people would groan and stop watching. If TNA wants to be an alternative to WWE and something DIFFERENT then WWE's product.. then stop doing exactly what the WWE's done! How hard is that to figure out?
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