OFFICIAL RVD NEW TNA CHAMPION DISCUSSION THREAD

[ABMorales787]

And here I was thinking Batista is still in the main event to keep him away from TNA. Silly me. Wow, this is just stupid. Its already been pointed out that Heyman wants nothing with wrestling. Why is it so wrong that a guy that went under the radar for a decade is getting what he deserves? The guy wrestled 4 matches in 24 hours. The first 2 being steel cage matches. That just says that he got it because he worked for it. TNA needed a new face for the championship. The Pope proved to not be quite ready. RVD is over enough. He's worked his ass off these past 2 weeks. WWE has problems with Raw. Let capitalize. Booking 101 there. Why do people here always want to complacate what's simple?

 

[16mikeytot]

And here I was thinking Batista is still in the main event to keep him away from TNA. Silly me. Wow, this is just stupid. Its already been pointed out that Heyman wants nothing with wrestling. Why is it so wrong that a guy that went under the radar for a decade is getting what he deserves? The guy wrestled 4 matches in 24 hours. The first 2 being steel cage matches. That just says that he got it because he worked for it. TNA needed a new face for the championship. The Pope proved to not be quite ready. RVD is over enough. He's worked his ass off these past 2 weeks. WWE has problems with Raw. Let capitalize. Booking 101 there. Why do people here always want to complacate what's simple?

Giving Rvd the title is like painting a white wall white again theirs no point. If they wanted ratings they'd give Hardy the title. It's just a suggestion that maybe Tna feels they can lure in Heyman by bringing in Dreamer and remember reports of Tna considering a ecw stable.

 

[JackBurton]

Hold the fucking phone here a minute.......

For 5 months the IWC has bitched and moaned about AJ being champ. Constant questioning of the decision to make him the top guy etc etc;

Now hes dropped the strap and STILL the IWC portrays it as a bad thing?!

These threads, with these points, ALL over the internet......

Next time anyone asks why the main promotions dont listen to the internet - link them to threads of this ilk

If you flip flopped anymore you might get mistaken for a ROH spot monkey

 

[Kenny Powers]

Giving Rvd the title is like painting a white wall white again theirs no point. If they wanted ratings they'd give Hardy the title. It's just a suggestion that maybe Tna feels they can lure in Heyman by bringing in Dreamer and remember reports of Tna considering a ecw stable.

Is this really Jesse Ventura writing this thread? Come clean man. Alright RVD winning the TNA title is even less of an conspiracy just like Tommy Dreamer winning the ECW title in WWE. I don't think WWE wanted anything to do with Heyman by putting the strap on Dreamer. They probably just didn't want Dreamer to leave. RVD has been a hot commodity since day one. TNA has tried to hire RVD over the years and they finally have him.

Why not put the belt on him? He is the most over guy on the roster and one of the most popular wrestlers in the world. Giving the belt to Jeff Hardy is like throwing the belt down the toilet. Jeff has a court date next month and he is unstable. The man will probably leave TNA after a few months anyways, unless he is in jail for those few months.

Honestly I think RVD is more over then Jeff Hardy. Hardy was over in WWE, but if you put RVD there he would be just as over if not more. I'm sure TNA would like to have Heyman, but the man wants nothing to do with them. TNA isn't going to throw the belt on anybody.

 

[Gramage]

Yes it was a conspiracy, but not the one you think. It was designed to give stoners the happiest 420 ever in hopes they'd become TNA fans

 

[VencomHardcore]

I don't think its a conspiracy but I know it does sweeten the offer for Heyman.

For all you Heyman haters...lol Heyman killed ecw because he wasn't good with money or delegating responsibility to those that could do the job better than himself. Heyman was a crazy control freak. that is why ECW died along with the fact that WCW and WWE were taking the talent left and right.

Now Heyman is a creative genius because he knows to listen to the fans and he is ahead of his time. That is what makes him great. I was an ECW Original fan at the arena back in the day and he created a cult like following. Which is something TNA desperately needs.

Heymans philosphy was simple: " We don't have the budget, production values, big name stars or fancy arena. But what we do have is great content that the people want. We will hide our negatives and accent the positives. "

That mantra is what made ecw legendary. Because the in ring action and storylines kept me driving back and forth from Baltimore to Philly and all the other small towns they traveled to.

SOOOOO... Heyman may consider since his man has the title but I don't believe its a conspiracy. Remember people. Money can make enemies work together. It just depends on how much you are offering.

Like Dibiase said, " Everybody has a price..."

 

[ABMorales787]

How does RVD holding the TNA Title "help" in hiring Paul Heyman? RVD isn't the only wrestler Heyman loved. Anderson was basically made by Heyman as well. Why not make Paul's unappreciated creation World Champ? Why? Because there is no fucking conspiracy. Just how long do you people expect Van Dam to be champion for? 3 years? As long as Paul's with us? Gimme a break. This "conspiracy theory" has more holes than the swiss cheese on my burger.I suppose the next step would be to make Raven and Stevie Tag Team Champions and make Rhino Global Champion. How about we hire Justin Credible and make him X Division Champion? "Yeah, we love you Paul, come work for us!"

 

[Mr_billy]

RVD is just one of the most successful wrestlers competing to day. He is over with the fans, he was just a logical choice for champion. TNA has been trying to get him for years. Plus, I almost agree with the 420 conspiracy. I mean if RVD's wife didn't get sick, and WWE did not have issues with his lifestyle, he'd probably be one of the top guys there still.

 

[Rayne]

Ugh, when wrestling marks talk about business.

Here's how you get someone to work for your company. You give them money, and often a percentage of merchandise. Everything else is just fluff based around being able to protect how much money you make. Creative control clauses exist not because someone wants to be able to control their character like this was a PlayStation game, but because people don't want some schmuck writer giving them a crap role and costing them popularity and hence money. Even for those 'true believer' wrestlers out there, who really believe in the business- how many concussions are they willing to take without getting a good paycheck out of it?

Giving someone's friend a belt isn't meaningless, but it's about as close as you can get without fighting over parking. It's a prop to enrich a storyline, that is all. If there was a conspiracy to get Paul Heyman in TNA, I would hope that it would be one that works.

Then the question has to be asked if Paul Heyman would be worth the investment for TNA. His biggest accomplishment to date is running the ROH of the 90's into the ground under a mountain of debt, then hiding out in California while his staff found out. We remember ECW with rose-colored glasses, but bear in mind they never took their buzz and turned it into profit. ECW was good times, sure, but I'm not sure what Paul Heyman can teach anyone on the TNA team about the business of wrestling, and when it comes to an on-screen role, Heyman's decent, but he's nothing special. I just don't see him being worth the paycheck he'd demand, and at the same time, I don't think scaling back or abandoning "Heyman Hustle" is worth it for the few years he'd have in TNA.

 

[MammaJamma22]

Doing my best Miz impersonation...

A conspiracy theory? Really?! Really?! That's the best you could come up with?

This thread is pretty far fetched. By any chance, is the original poster a schizo?

Maybe you have a good conspiracy theory to come up with regarding all the Raw stars being stuck in Europe? Maybe someone at TNA set off the volcanic explosion to sabotage the Raw broadcast? Who knows! Maybe Samoa Joe knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows this guy's uncle, who knows how to activate a volcano.

Wow....

 

[TokiRKO]

-sigh- i'm tired of people saying heyman killed his own show. #1 it wasn't HIS show for the longest time. #2 he financially backed it himself, no ted turner money, no old family money, ECW (EXTREME Championship Wrestling) was all most, if not 100%, funded by Heyman himself. Dreamer even said once that he went months with out a paycheck.

Yeah, RVD doesn't care about much, he smokes pot. It happens. He has fun doing what he does. Heavyweight title means bigger paycheck which means bigger sack so of course he cares about it a little lol

As for giving Robbie V the title having any bearing on heyman joining, doubtful. If he wants to join, he will regardless. If TNA wants him, they'll ask him. End of story.

 

[mozenwrath]

Hold the fucking phone here a minute.......

For 5 months the IWC has bitched and moaned about AJ being champ. Constant questioning of the decision to make him the top guy etc etc;

Now hes dropped the strap and STILL the IWC portrays it as a bad thing?!

These threads, with these points, ALL over the internet......

Next time anyone asks why the main promotions dont listen to the internet - link them to threads of this ilk

If you flip flopped anymore you might get mistaken for a ROH spot monkey

What do you expect? The IWC act like a bunch of whiny children who don't know what they want. That's all they know how to do is whine and complain. And when they finally do get what they want they whine and complain some more.

 

[RVDisTNA]

I think its a great move for a few reasons.

It gives TNA a recognizable name as its World Champion

RVD deserves it more than ANYONE. Hes never been world champ. Unless you count that bogus one week run in WWE.

And imagine the great main event matches and feuds we're gonna get. RVD vs Angle, Styles, Anderson... And Dare I say... Imgine RVD vs. Samoa Joe! Two unstoppable styles going head to head for the world title.

And hell, it beats seeing John Cena become the world champion for the 30th time. lol

 

[Attitude_Raven]

How does RVD holding the TNA Title "help" in hiring Paul Heyman? RVD isn't the only wrestler Heyman loved. Anderson was basically made by Heyman as well. Why not make Paul's unappreciated creation World Champ? Why? Because there is no fucking conspiracy. Just how long do you people expect Van Dam to be champion for? 3 years? As long as Paul's with us? Gimme a break. This "conspiracy theory" has more holes than the swiss cheese on my burger.I suppose the next step would be to make Raven and Stevie Tag Team Champions and make Rhino Global Champion. How about we hire Justin Credible and make him X Division Champion? "Yeah, we love you Paul, come work for us!"

i'd actually buy into those ideas. Rhino is still "young" and still a beast, Raven altough he's an "old guy" he's still one of the best brawlers ever (i could care less about Stevie), and Aldo Montoya... i mean Justin Credible, i wouldn't be surprised if he comes to TNA, he could be a good fit in The Band, as he's an unofficial Kliq member

 

[geist inc]

I'm happy they gave the belt to RVD, for a manin his late 30's to have wrestled four matches inside 24 hours is huge. I think he'll get a decent run, although I doubt as long as AJ had.

Sacrifice will be the rematch, and from there who knows?

Maybe even the Pope

 

[Pryde]

I think its a great move for a few reasons.

It gives TNA a recognizable name as its World Champion

RVD deserves it more than ANYONE. Hes never been world champ. Unless you count that bogus one week run in WWE.

And imagine the great main event matches and feuds we're gonna get. RVD vs Angle, Styles, Anderson... And Dare I say... Imgine RVD vs. Samoa Joe! Two unstoppable styles going head to head for the world title.

And hell, it beats seeing John Cena become the world champion for the 30th time. lol

How overrated is RVD! He deserves it more then ANYONE? Why? The guys done nothing so extremely deserving in his career to have earned a World championship more then ANYONE. I can list a dozen names who deserve it more then him. Not to mention he hasn't been in the wrestling business for THREE years, and the only reason he's in TNA is because the schedules so light and the moneys so good.. which proves he's in it for as much money with as little effort as possible. Oh, but he wrestled a bunch of times in 24 hours! He gave so much effort in a span of 24 hours! No offense, but 24 hours doesn't impress me, when he's done nothing else for the past three years and just walks on in and suddenly EARNS a championship.

I don't mind RVD being champion, don't get me wrong. I have nothing against him and he's definitely the better choice then Jeff Hardy, but to say he deserves it more then ANYONE is an outrageous statement.

He may have good feuds with some good heels if given the chance, but he's definitely not the DRAW people seem to be implying he is. And if you don't agree with me then give me some clear proof that he is or has ever been a draw. He hasn't, nor will he, and the ratings won't be rising as high as RVD was on 4/20 or anything remotely close to it. This is just another desperate move by TNA to spark something in the ratings and get people watching, but like everything else they do it won't work. I mean, you can't give two PPV caliber matches on free tv every week, right?

 

[RVDisTNA]

RVD was the biggest star in ECW history. He came to WWE and became yet again a huge fan favorite. Now in TNA he is over more than anyone else there. NO ONE boos RVD. I was at Lockdown. Not one boo for RVD.

RVD is more deserving than ANYONE. He is one of the best wrestlers in the world. Yeah hes been gone for 3 years. But guess what? He came back and he hasn't lost a step. Not even a little.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

I think its a great move for a few reasons.

It gives TNA a recognizable name as its World Champion

RVD deserves it more than ANYONE. Hes never been world champ. Unless you count that bogus one week run in WWE.

And imagine the great main event matches and feuds we're gonna get. RVD vs Angle, Styles, Anderson... And Dare I say... Imgine RVD vs. Samoa Joe! Two unstoppable styles going head to head for the world title.

And hell, it beats seeing John Cena become the world champion for the 30th time. lol

Bogus One Week Run? Im sorry but RVD was WWE Champion/ECW Champion from June 13th 2006-July 3rd & 4th 2006. Thats a Month not a Week and the only reason he had to drop Both Titles was because he and Sabu were arrested for Pot so get your facts straight. I still like RVD despite him being in TNA but it was way too soon for him to get a Title run.

Also you say it gives TNA a recognizable name for their Champion,yeah maybe but did it help TNA's Ratings when Kurt Angle,Christian,and Sting were Champions? No.

 

[Baximus]

Bogus One Week Run? Im sorry but RVD was WWE Champion/ECW Champion from June 13th 2006-July 3rd & 4th 2006. Thats a Month not a Week and the only reason he had to drop Both Titles was because he and Sabu were arrested for Pot so get your facts straight. I still like RVD despite him being in TNA but it was way too soon for him to get a Title run.

Also you say it gives TNA a recognizable name for their Champion,yeah maybe but did it help TNA's Ratings when Kurt Angle,Christian,and Sting were Champions? No.

Here's the difference: Angle and Sting were already multi-time world title holders and people had seen them with extended title runs. Christian was cool to see but let's face it, he was never as popular as RVD.

We've never seen RVD have an extended run as a company's top champion, not even ECW! Remember, he held the TV title forever and was supposed to beat Mike Awesome for the ECW title but broke his ankle. Rob Van Dam's first extended run as champion is going to generate a lot of interest, especially if he holds the belt for more than a month or two.

Plus you know all of ECW's fans (who drew decently when they were on TNN) are going to start tuning in in droves. I met like two dozen new fans in Orlando who were curious about TNA and wondering if it was going to have some similarities with old ECW. I can tell you with 100% confidence that all of them are hooked now. I had no less than ten people tell me down there that RVD winning the title makes Impact a must-watch show for them because they loved him on ECW.

This is a great move and it means even more that RVD beat TNA's longest running champion, something they need to really hype up.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

This could be the most far fetched, dillusional thread I have ever read. You honestly believe that this is a gigantic conspiracy to bring in Paul Heyman? You think Hogan and Bischoff, who when you combine their ego's, really think they need Paul Heyman that badly? No. This is not a conspiracy, Mr. Ventura. They put the title on RVD because he is the biggest babyface draw they have.

Jeff Hardy might be a bigger draw, but with reports of people being concerned for his well being, he wasn't going to get the title. RVD is their next biggest babyface draw, and they need that. I think AJ will take the belt back rather quickly, but RVD needs to be in the picture right now. Kurt Angle is out of the title hunt for a while, so a big draw is needed. Guys like Pope, Abyss, Samoa Joe, etc. are favorite among TNA fans, but not mainstream America. RVD is their biggest name among babyfaces, next to Angle and Hardy.

This is not a conspiracy. I'm curious as to how you even came up with this? Are you off your meds?

 

[RVDisTNA]

Bogus One Week Run? Im sorry but RVD was WWE Champion/ECW Champion from June 13th 2006-July 3rd & 4th 2006. Thats a Month not a Week and the only reason he had to drop Both Titles was because he and Sabu were arrested for Pot so get your facts straight. I still like RVD despite him being in TNA but it was way too soon for him to get a Title run.

Also you say it gives TNA a recognizable name for their Champion,yeah maybe but did it help TNA's Ratings when Kurt Angle,Christian,and Sting were Champions? No.

less than a month cannot be considered a run. only in wwe where belts are just a prop.

and all three of those names are nowhere near as over as rvd.

 

[Warrior]

When i was watching this match i was thinking about how predictable the main events usually are.I was really just waiting to see how RVD would get screwed.When RVD went to the top i was counting the seconds until AJ moved.But when RVD hit the 5 Star and won I had the biggest mark out of my life.

RVD is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.His mic work is amazing,All his moves are perfectly executed, and he can compete in any situation.I think giving him the title can't do anything to hurt TNA.

I do believe that this match came a little to soon.I wanted some more build up.This could of been a amazing match if it was given a PPV main event timeslot.RVD was a great choice as champion but it came to soon

 

[MisterRob]

less than a month cannot be considered a run. only in wwe where belts are just a prop.

and all three of those names are nowhere near as over as rvd.

Wow. I find it hilarious that you try to slam the WWE for having belts that are props when the man behind creative in TNA, Vince Russo, is the person who INVENTED belts being props.

And you're out of your mind if you think RVD more over then Kurt Angle's been in the past, or Sting. Hell, even Christian was just as over in TNA as RVD is right now. I find it hilarious when TNA fans start believing the shit they start spewing.

We should see how long RVD actually lasts as champion, and what creative actually does with his run, before praising it and going ape shit over it. Because knowing TNA his reign could last a month or less before AJ Styles wins it right back, or some other random talent does. Probably on free tv, too!

 

[The Roid Rage]

Give Paul Heyman all his criticism and credit, I don't care about that. I don't think he is the missing piece of the puzzle for TNA though. He would be just another name on Dixie Carter's payroll adding to the confusion. This is not a slam on Heyman either, I don't have much of an opinion on him. He was a good manager, don't care about his business sense, seems like he's be a dick in real life, don't care about that either.

The thing that bothers me and has been bothering me, is everyone seemingly thinking that anyone who isn't signed with the WWE needs to sign to TNA. I don't think that is the case, or that it would help TNA at all. They need to figure out how to use what they've got first and I think they have all the tools to do whatever it is they want to do. Now it's just a matter of keeping people healthy, fleshing out some better storylines(easier said than done), and presenting your product better production wise. Like many I think getting out of the sound stage would help.

It is just getting a little ridiculous. WWE releases a few people and without missing a beat people are planning out their TNA careers. I don't think that would necessarily be a good move for TNA, they are already haggled for "Trying to be WWE" in a lot of ways, so why feed that by taking every scrap they discard? You can't make every one of them a star so what are you doing then? Really? Did they need Brian Kendrick? No. Is he any big deal now? No. So what was the point? Maybe sending a message to the WWE locker room that there is vacancy under the TNA roof and they'll leave the light on for them?

 

[MikePunch]

Ok, so im really new to the TNA roster, I started watching when Hogan came on board, not because of hogan, but because i love seeing the competition when somebody takes on WWE. RVD is in my opinion the most talented pro wrestler working today, and being champion is awesome, but it doesnt really change RVD for me. ive been a fan of his for years, since old ECW days, i dont care if he has a belt or not. its just great to see this dude getting the play he deserves.