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I think Vince McMahon believes that going family oriented is his way to get WWE relevant and to catch on again. Much like how Nintendo can sell twice as many consoles as either Microsoft or Sony despite Xbox and Playstation being the "cool" things to play. However, I don't see wrestling being able to get that same kind of momentum. This PG era thing won't last.
 
It's only been 10 years but so much has changed and happened in that time:

- Exiting Superstars
- TNA
- Toned down action to PG product but Raw staying in an adult timeslot
- Linda's political asparations
- HD
- Network jumping
- DVR
- Benoit tragedy
- WWE Films
- Steroid scandal
- More TV stations
- Inflation effect on the poor and middle class
- Reality (especially singing competitions)
- ECW rebranding
- Fantasy football
- Growth of the internet (Youtube)

All of this may not have happened in this time period and I have probably missed some things but there are so many things that have occurred. But the point is made, over the past 10 years things have happened and changed that have either stretched Raw's audience too thin or turned people out completely.

What will be interesting to see if events like the WWE Network, Linda running again and the end of Rock/Cena will continue the downward trend.
 
theres also the fact that many people as i did back in the day due to not wanting to pay an extra ten dollars a month on my satelite bill watched raw on the internet, which doesnt count towards the ratings.
 
well pro wrestling has lost most of its fanbase like somebody just mentioned before that during wwe-wcw competition they were facing direct competition and the total viewers watching wrestling were always more then 10 million and now-a-days 5 million is considered good rating
 
Like others have said, the Attitude Era was a fad. Just look at the big ratings drop from 2000 to 2001. It was slowly dying and losing its shock value. Jerry springer show was another popular show during that era. Thats basically what the WWE was at the time.

You cant compare tv ratings today to tv ratings 10-15 years ago. Their are more different tv options for people to watch. Between all the reality tv shows, MMA has become huge. People also watch more tv online which takes away ratings.

I do agree that pro wrestling isn't as popular as it once was. But WWE is still doing very good imo.
 
The important thing to remember is that 4/5m viewers on average a week for RAW is still pretty high number, especially during football season. To put in in perspective you actually have to look at their audiences and also the DVR factor. RAW is a programme that can easily be DVR'd and watched later, many of it's PG audience will have a bedtime bang in the middle of RAW. I wouldn't be letting my 6 year old watch till 11 for example, especially if I want to watch MNF.

The top cable shows in January were pulling 4.2's or 4.1's and were niche programmes like Jersey Shore, arguably the current "fad TV". Again there is likely to be older teens wanting to watch Jersey Shore rather than RAW, as they are more likely to talk about Snooki et al the following day.

WWE is now one of a hundred different options on a Monday or Friday night for most of its audience. The ratings have fallen because it has not been "Must see event TV" for a while, but those who are watching are loyal fans who do watch weekly. 4m loyal weekly viewers is not bad at all for the quality of shows WWE is putting out right now.
 
Plain and simple the product is water down once wwe took over and wcw and ecw left so did most of wrestling fans and the great fueds and superstars don't exist today . Back in the day we had great superstars people wanted to see Hogan, Flair, Stone Cold, Rock, Goldberg, HBK, Undertaker, bret hart, owen hart, bristish bulldog, roddy pipper,Macho Man, Kane ( the original kane), Lesnar, nwo, dx, wolfpac, the cooperation , the ministry , harlem heat, steiner brothers, and tons more .... Now compare today's product and stars its very stale
 
The thing to keep in mind is that today's tv viewing climate is much different than it was in the late 1990's during the heyday of the Attitude Era and the Monday Night Wars.

As has been pointed out, there are much more options for television viewers than there was years ago. But also another factor is that not everyone that watches Raw watches it live on Monday night. Some people work, kids have to go to bed for school the next day, some people watch other shows instead. But most of those people most likely either DVR Raw and watch it later in the week when they can, or they watch it on the internet most likely through YouTube.

While I think overall Raw and WWE in general isn't watched by as many people as the heyday of the Attitude Era, I think it's safe to say that you can't judge the literal total of WWE's viewing audience based on the Raw Ratings and how many people are watching live on Monday night.

You could even make the same argument for the ppv events as well, as lots of people watch them on the internet for free, or some may do like I did as a kid, and watch them months down the road when they come out on video. Heck, if you have WWE 24/7 On Demand on Comcast or any of the other cable providers it's on, you can watch pretty much every WWE ppv event a few months after they first aired. I know there's been times even as a 27 year old adult, where I don't order a ppv and watch it live, but a few months later when it's on WWE 24/7, I'll watch it then.

With all of the options available to watch a WWE product later on, not everyone watches the ppv events, and the TV shows on their initial airing which is the only time that the ratings are based on. So WWE's viewing audience is much bigger than the ratings indicate I feel.

Just look at the merchandise sales and live attendance figures. WWE has outdrawn or come close to oudrawing the Super Bowl for the last 5 years since they've been going to a stadium for Wrestlemania every year. And the merchandise sales and other attendance figures are relatively healthy. WWE is doing just fine.

I'm not sure WWE will ever get back to the television ratings they had in the late '90s, due to how the television climate has changed.
 
The Punk/Bryan match was definitely the highlight for me. And the fact that WWE was smart and didn't have either man go over was great too. It would have just diminished one of their champions. We got the rumblings of a Jericho/Punk storyline as well, which was great. It's not often that as great a match as this is on free TV. I remember matches like Taker/Jeff Hardy and Shelton Benjamin/Shawn Michaels from RAWs back in the day. This reminded me that matches like those still exist outside the realm of PPVs.
 
maybe just maybe it has to do with people watching streams online of Raw and Smackdown and Impact. If there werent streams to watch live shows the ratings might possibly be higher or the same as 2000. Just a thought but I watch online as well, and I think a lot do as well. I recall a website that used to have 10 Raw streams going at one time maybe more each having a few hundred to thousands in it watching. That takes away ratings but people were still watching
 
Viewership and awareness of wrestling is down, but the way people watch TV shows has changed greatly since the late 90's.

In the 90's, the only way to watch RAW was live on TV.

Now people DVR it, illegally stream it online, download episodes with torrents, keep up with the product through Youtube, etc.

Plus, since Hulu and Netflix are so popular now, many young people use those instead of paying for cable.

I think it's hard to compare numbers without looking at other factors. If you look at ratings back in the 60's, practically every show was being watched by twenty-million people because there were so few choices. The times change with technology.
 
I like that comparison one poster made with the video game systems, and yeah im sure theres alot of big factors but I think a big one was just the fact that the attitude era was a fad that caught alot of casual fans attention and it was the cool thing to be into at the time, kinda like with the Wii everyyyyyyyyone bought one of those cause it was hot at the time, but most of those people who bought a wii didnt really end up buying alot of actual videogames for it, and thats because they werent true gamers and in the long run those people didnt really produce big numbers for nintendo cause they lost interest in the wii probably after a year of so just like how alll the fans back in the attitude era werent all really true wrestling fans just people who were interested in what was hot at the time
 
Toned down action to PG product but Raw staying in an adult timeslot

Vince is trying to make wrestling a fad again, he'll do anything to get mainstream attention. This is evident by all the social media networking he's preaching on every RAW, SD and PPV of the year. Hopefully it'll work, but I think an issue as George has said is that the programming has been altered for children, seeing as child friendly entertainment has become popular with parents in this age, but for some reason is still on a later time adult orientated time slot. I live in Australia so it doesn't air live, and instead in the afternoon, so it's not really a problem for younger aged kids here, but due to the primary audience being the states I assume that it is a much greater problem there for the younger fans. The problem is that RAW has always aired around that time, and it's a traditional RAW time slot for adults who come home from work, but I imagine for kids it's not.
 
Yes, and those people were never wrestling fans in the first place. They were fans of doing whatever they thought everyone else was doing.....no matter what it was. Give those people a popular mass movement and they'd be right there, going along with the crowd. If those folks became somehow convinced that dog sled racing from Nome, Alaska was what "everyone" was watching, they would watch it too, buying dog sled merchandise and being secure in the knowledge they were in snug and tight with millions of others who were doing the exact same thing as they were. For these good folks, thinking for themselves was taboo; they wanted others to tell them what to do. For awhile, it was pro wrestling.

When these people found something else to latch onto, they stopped watching wrestling. I maintain that pro wrestling has always had a solid fan base, and those people were there before the Attitude Era and are still there now, with the movement gaining new fans and losing others through attrition.

The Attitude Era and those huge ratings were a fleeting phenomena. Don't think Vince McMahon isn't trying to find a way to re-create it.

Bingo. The newest and greatest fad. Things come and go. A lot of people I knew who watched wrestling back in the AE days only watched because everyone else they knew were watching.

Austin was huge. But most of his fans didn't know or care about his history. The only thing most wrestling fans knew were the nWo, Rock or Austin. Not saying others were not popular but people are like sheep. They have to like what everyone else likes.
 
Well I'd like to take the topic on a minor detour for a sec. Given that what everyone says is true about the ratings now vs. then, do you think WWE could EVER pull in 6.0's again?
 
While I agree that the television trends have changed tremendously, especially with the internet, I don't think that DVR has that massive of an effect. When I was a kid during the Attitude Era, if I couldn't stay up to watch there was this little invention called the VCR that you could set to record things. I still have tapes of Raw stashed away from all those times, and I know others that do as well. Just food for thought.
 
There's been tons of discussions about this in the past and yes, overall, the numbers WWE has drawn for Raw haven't fluccuated much since the early 2000s. Some years are better than others, which is how the mop flops.

The Attitude Era was a fad, a fad that was primarily sustained due to in part to the Monday Night Wars. When the MNW ended with WWE's purchase of WCW, the numbers immediately and steadily dropped. A lot of fans who constantly harp on the PG rating forget that WWE's ratings ultimately ended up in the 3s long before WWE went PG back in April 2008. Either that or they just rant for the sake of ranting no matter how much sense it makes.

In the late 90s & early 2000s, wrestling was being produced in a way that people hadn't seen before and it's popularity grew. However, as with all fads, people moved onto the next thing. The Jersey Shore, for instance, is still doing great numbers and all, but they're not drawing as many viewers this season as they did last season. Maybe those numbers will continue to trickle down in seasons to come as people's tastes change and many of them move onto other things. They can still do all the stuff that people love to watch them do now, they can bring new characters into the show and act as much like idiots and tools as they do now but could still lose viewers until it's mostly just the hardcore fans that remain.
 
I'm having a hard time watching multiple RAWs (not in a row, but still multiple) where CM Punk, the WWE Champion and one of the BEST promo guys on the active roster isn't given the chance to rock the stick every goddamn week. When Rock was the champ he cut a promo EVERY. FUCKING. WEEK. Austin? Even if he DIDN'T have the title he was given a chance to say something scathing EVERY WEEK. The way they've booked Punk as THE Champion this time around hasn't been horrible, but it's been chock full of missed opportunities and weeks (weeks!) without him getting a chance to put himself over and instead relying on the angle to do it for him. In my not-so humble opinion, that is NOT how you book CM Punk as WWE Champion.

RAW was good this week. I think I'm really just pissed that Triple H vs. Undertaker 3 is actually happening (I was at WM X-7 and saw the original in person so I'm a wee bit biased) and just DON'T want the big 20th match to go to a guy who has already been beat twice, but gets to "go there" because he's fucking the boss' daughter. Look inside yourselves. You know it to be true.

Also! RAW was in Oklaholma City this week and had JR on-hand but did nothing, I repeat nothing about it. He was there. Fuck you WWE.
 
I haven't done this in a few weeks, so I'm eager to jump back into it!

Raw Hits and Misses:​

Raw Hits:

Chris Jericho and CM Punk: How many people who hated the Jericho promos where he said nothing loved Punk doing the same? I'm betting there are a few of you out there. Anyways, Jericho did a great job of explaining the meaning of his mysterious vignettes, noting that he was coming back to claim what was his, which is being the best in the world. His main target here was Punk, but he also took his shots at the crowd for him "trolling" them Before he could finish on Punk, Punk came out, but instead of talking, dropped the mic. This was a great play on Jericho doing the same for weeks, except Punk let the WWE Title and his shirt do the talking. Excellent segment.

HHH and The Undertaker: I believed HHH would explain his reasoning as being one of two things: Either he didn't want to let personal feelings get in the way of business, or he didn't think Undertaker had it anymore. Turns out the latter is the direction they went, and the video packages by HHH spoke volumes of this. HHH did this in a somewhat heelish manner, which was good work on his part. Undertaker's response felt real, as if it truly came from someone with something to prove. They've started this build much earlier than last year, and with HBK appearing next week, this should really kick into high gear.

Big Show vs Daniel Bryan: I was back and forth on this one, and the between the ring work was nothing to write home about. Part of it is me tiring of Bryan being thrown in there with men over twice his size. But Bryan comes across as so disingenuous and the spot where Show stopped just short of flattening AJ was a nice throwback to when he did flatten her. Bryan's mic work sealed this for me, as he noted Show could have stopped because he did tonight, which is great heel logic. His stating of the importance of protecting AJ over winning then in the next breath talking about walking in and out of EC as champion was more solid, disingenuous mic work. The match? *1/2.

6 pack challenge match: While this match was slow to start, it reallu picked up aftern the commercial break. While I'm not as fan of the "two men in the ring while the others sell", it's hard for me to argue against that here when you involve six men. It looked like Truth's injury was legitimate with the way he landed and his inability to walk in any way on his won, so this should be an interesting development. Fun second half of the match while it lasted, and I really enjoyed the spots with Kofi and Jericho, Punk and Ziggler, and the finish. Jericho taunting Punk with the belt and in his signature siting pose was a nice move to end the show, and Jericho winning was the right move. Fun main event. **3/4.

John Laurinitis and HHH: Johnny Ace's character is really growing on me, and I can't believe Im saying this, but I dont want to see him written off TV. Another night where he came off as his smarmiest, corporate stooge best, with HHH not buying a bit of it. The announcement of the Ambulance match was a bit of a letdown, as I preferred the No-DQ, No Countout Stipualtion. But this was a good segment overall, and I'm guessing Laurinitis isn't finished just yet. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking. :)

Raw Misses:

8 Diva Tag Match: What's the point? I suppose they're teasing something with the Natalya/Beth dissension from Friday and tonight, but the matches aren't long enough to mean anything. Tamina is being pushed, I guess, but I just don't care. When Kharma returned at the Rumble, I had hopes for the division, but she's been missing ever since. Even if the plan is to go Beth/Natalya at EC, and Beth/Kharma at WM, it's never too soon to bring her back into the division with how dead it is. Beth didn't care that her team lost the match, so why should I? 1/2*

No John Cena: I don't know if I missed the announcement that he'ld perhaps be otherwise engaged, but having your top star off the show with 8 weeks to go before your biggest show of the year, and a big match with Kane in two weeks, is inexcusable. If they want to truly push this feud, Cena needs to be there to hype it. He's the biggest star in the company, act like it. They tried to do something in the end with Kane and Eve, but this just reminded me somewhat of when Kane kidnapped Kelly Kelly 4 years ago.

Sheamus vs David Otunga: The match was fine for what it was, but the problem was with Sheamus' opponent. Sheamus is your Royal Rumble winner, and he's still squashing guys that don't matter or who pose no threat to him. It takes the fun out of the match when the outcome isn't in doubt, which has been the theme of the last 4 months for Sheamus. I really thought Jericho would have been the better choice to win the Rumble with his ready-made rivalry with Punk there, but they went with a man stuck in traction who has no momentum. Unless he starts beating credible opponents, he won't get them any time soon. *

Cody Rhodes and Wade Barrett vs khali and Randy Orton: Another match where the outcome was never truly in doubt. Orton has just returned from injury, and Khali from retirement for the 43rd time. I guess this was supposed to round out the SD EC preview on Raw combined with the Show/Bryan match, but this was simply too short to mean anything. I like them re-enforcing Orton as a loner after he dropped Khali with the RKO after the match, but this simply wasn't very good. 3/4*

Overall Thoughts:

This was a good show, but a drop-off from last week. It didn't have the stand-out matches that last week had, nor did it have the must-see segment that last week did with the decision on Laurinitis. I enjoyed the Jericho/Punk and HHH/Undertaker segments, and Bryan and Show continue to be a compelling story with the involvement of AJ. The siix-pack challenge was an enjoyable main event with Jericho being the right man to go over. But the DIvas division just continues to be stagnant, and the Royal Rumble winner has no momentum whatsoever. Don't get me wrong: I enjoyed this show. But there are some glaring holes that need to be addressed sooner then later as the build towards Wrestlemania. B- overall.
 
Lots of filler this week and while I appreciate the good job they did with Cena's video I don't think it needed a third airing, nor did we need to see the opening segment video played twice.

On to what (mostly) worked:

Triple H's promo was excellent, I'm not a big fan of the guy these days but his promo was well delivered, came off as sincere (something he often struggles to do) and it made sense.......Then came Taker with his weird stalker video package that reminded me of Whitney Huston's stalker in The Bodyguard, just hilarious stuff. I hate this match is happening but Taker being the one begging for the match is a change I guess.

Bryan vs Show was a solid match but I think they are at a point where both need to move on, it's obvious Bryan is never going over Show so unless they are going to put the belt on the big man then it's time to put both in new feuds.

Starting the build for Punk/Jericho now kinda gives the EC result away but I thought they did great work tonight, Jericho's promo was great as expected and smart as it left lots of points for Punk to counter in the future. Punk coming out and pulling a Jericho on Jericho was cool and while a bit risky seemed to work from the crowds response.

HBK will be on Raw next week which is cool as he's my all time favourite wrestler, but I fear he'll be used as a pawn by Taker to try and goad H into the Mania match.

The 6 pack main event quickly became a 5 pack as Miz failed to catch Truth on that dive, but the 5 guys worked their assess off to give the fans a good show and the ending was perfect with Jericho sitting in the ring mocking Punk as the champ lay prone against the wall........they should have ended there instead of going to that tasteless and unneeded scene between Eve and Kane.

All in all quite a bit of crap and filler this week after last weeks gold, but the good was at least useful in building two of Mania's big matches and the RAW EC.
 
and the Royal Rumble winner has no momentum whatsoever.
LSN, I've never disagreed with you more. Sheamus quite possibly possesses the most momentum currently with in the WWE. He just came off a huge Rumble win which very few actually expected him to win. Not only that, but he remains over even though he's facing lower card opponents; there aren't many Superstars there who can do that. It's not like they put him in a match with someone who doesn't draw any crowd reaction. He was in a match with someone the crowd truly hates and it's always great to see the hero kicks the bad guy's ass. Especially when that bad guy has connections to John Laurinaitis. I don't think there was anything wrong with the match. It was painless for everyone involved. Sheamus doesn't need to be involved in anything huge until he makes his decision. If there was a time where squashing some jobbers was ok for Sheamus, it’s definitely now. This match was harmless.
 
I wish they wouldve had sheamus winning the rumble, and then instead of challenging the champion, forfeit it to challenge the undertaker, they need someone young and upcoming to challenge the streak, HHH and Taker dont have enough of a storied past or the heat to pull off 3 mania matches, i think Sheamus wouldve made the perfect opponent, maybe even the guy to beat him, the great white vs the prince of darkness wouldve been gold! but thats just my opinion.. my first real post btw lol.
 
Excellent Raw tonight, it felt like alot of it was taken up by videos(and by alot I mean the whole fuckin show) but the little we got outside of that was gold. My Jerichoholism will show in this post because in my opinion that's all that Raw was about, CM Punk and Chris Jericho. He finally comes out and bashes the fans like I was waiting for, blasts superstars for copying from what he did when he paved the way for their generation and most importantly called Punk out on assuming his title as Best In The World only to have Punk walk out and say nothing while holding up his WWE Championship. That is a segment that is going to be remembered for a long time, it reminded me of his debut when he talked for hours and then Rock shuts him up in one sentence, Punk didn't even need one and he insulted Jericho by mocking his not talking all of January, it was gold. Then the six pack challenge ofcourse ended with Jericho scewing Punk out of the win, and the highlight of the night(see what I did there?) for me was Jericho sitting cross legged in the ring like Punk does with the WWE Championship. A sign of things to come I hope. Outside of that I enjoyed the Taker promo about wanting H at mania but aside from that it was nothing but videos and Punk vs Jericho.
 
What an excellent way to start Raw tonight. Triple H was on top of his game with his promo, and that Undertaker video was the shit. The show started off good and continued a good trend all the way up until after Chris Jericho spoke to the audience. After that I thought the show started to lose some steam. Im not a big fan of too many matches and love promos and stuff but it was just too promo heavy tonight. Although it did have some bright moments with Taker/HHH and Jericho/Punk.
 
Wasn't as good as last week's Raw but it certainly wasn't a bad show.

I really like the Punk v Jericho stuff and thought that promo was good. Enjoyed the mini hissy fit from Jericho as well.
 

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