[Official] John Cena Thread

[Uncle Sam]

Maybe Cena's CD is good if you're into that sort of thing, but seriously, the best CD you own? I sure hope you don't own any other CDs.

 

[Kane241]

Yeah, lol.

Cena does "Get the job done". Because he likes his spot. He likes the money. And Vince likes the money. But when it comes down to it, what has he done to deserve that spot to begin with? United States Champion? It should have stayed there. He shouldn't have gone any further. Randy Orton should be in Cena's spot right now. At least he's a good wrestler, and isn't "boring"

I guess I am a "hater" or whatever, but that's only because I'm tired of the same old stuff every single Monday Night. It's just really repetitive. It's like watching re run after re run...just drives me crazy, lol.

 

[Capt. Charisma]

whatever, you guys tire me out. I cant be bothered arguing with you anymore, if you love Cena then thats your own stupid fault, bt theres more important things in the world to think about than a 'wrestler'

 

[Capt. Charisma]

Yea but the problem is Cena is neither an entertainer, nor an athlete. Unless you count cheesy one liners, and bodybuilding as making you qualified as a entertainer or athlete.

 

[tmangamer]

I hope Shawn Micheals kicks John Semen's ****** ass at WrestleMania23.

Because John Semen is nothing but a stupid ass ****** wannabe.

Thank you,
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Dude, do you still believe in kayfabe ? John Cena isn't really a wannabe rapper or whatever you accuse him of being in real life. Sure there was the rap album and all that, but he's just a normal guy as well.

I really think people should give John Cena a break, since he is a hard-worker and is hoping to get better, unlike others who are highly overrated. I heard somebody once say that people are more against John Cena than Batista because John Cena is a bigger star than Batista is. I say that's BS, since Batista has been champion almost as long, and has won against guys he deserves to be crushed by. John Cena is a hard-worker at least, and don't you think he's a bigger star because he's more charismatic ? And his merchandise sells more because he's simply better at the "sports-entertainment" thing. Batista is not a wrestler either, he sucks, but he sucks in "sports-entertainment" as well. John Cena has got the muscles too, and is actually a lot more muscular than we give him credit for. So he's even got the look better than Batista, who looks like a washed up cow lol.

 

[Jeremy Dick]

I agree. I think a lot of people just tend to hate on Cena because it's the cool thing to do. He does a lot that people refuse to give him credit for. Now while I'm not a big Cena fan, I don't hate the guy. You have to recognize that he is good at what he does, which is entertain. ESPECIALLY when compared to Batista, you have to see how talented Cena is at that. He is extremely charismatic and that's why he has been the champion for so long. He's making the company money as the champ. There's no comparison between Cena and Batista. Cena is just superior in every way.

 

[Austin3:16]

I like John Cena. Everybody that hates on him are all followers like mentioned before people think its cool to hate so you people that hate follow those other haters. Every hater says the same old bad shit about him. Cena is a hard worker who gives it his all in the ring and busts his ass for the fans. He will get better as time goes on. I know he has more moves then the WWE lets him use its not his fault he cant use them.

 

[Capt. Charisma]

I dont hate him because its 'cool' I have a genuine dislike for the guy, ever since he started in the WWE. He not at all good in the ring, or on the mic but then gets to squash guys like Christian, Angle, Jericho, Edge and HHH who have been in business for years and are HARDER workers than Cena is, then again who said that Cena is a hard worker? from what ive seen in the ring/mic hes not ecause hes not getting any better this is all pure speculation because none of us really know what is going on behind the scenes. I think your wrong saying us 'haters' dont like him because its cool, its because we watch classic matches in the attitude era and even from 2001-2003 involving the guys i mentioned before who cena squashed in the main event spots putting on reat matches and we see it now and it personally makes me sick. WWE seems a LOT more fake/childish since Cena became a main eventer in my opinion and the matches arent even 1/100th as good. Theres 4 reasons why people hate Cena more than Batisita,
1. More people watch RAW than smackdown thats a well known fact
2. Cena is shoved down us more, just one example is how JR and King constantly plug him about a million times more than any other face in the company
3. The storylines Cena has are cheap, and not very well thought out, Umaga/Cena for example was totaly ponintless
4. We dont have to hear Batista as much on the mic, whereas Cena is always on it splurting out the same old rubbish, i just wish he would say something original for once, or at least react to the crowd which he never does which if you look at great smacktalkers e.g. Cage, Rock, Stone cold etc. all do/did

 

[goleafsgo23]

Yea but the problem is Cena is neither an entertainer, nor an athlete. Unless you count cheesy one liners, and bodybuilding as making you qualified as a entertainer or athlete.

The guy was an athlete, he played Center for his college (and although it was a D-III level, it was rather impressive he made the All-American team, something that I bet 90% of our fellow forumer's can't do, no offense.)

Sure he isn't the best wrestler in the business, and it's way too early to be comparing him to the likes of The Rock or Stone Cold. Those people have been around the business for at least 10+ more years. When the Rock first came to WWF/E whatever, he received a lot of heat because he couldn't wrestle, and he did improve and was a very good 'entertainer'. And you're asking why he's a maineventer right now, well let me ask you, who else is there to main event? You could counter that with "oh well theres the obvious HHH, HBK, Taker, ect.", but the fact of the matter is, their time with the WWE is slowly winding down to an end. He's being shoved down our throats because the WWE is trying to usher in a new era of wrestlers that will be the big namers like HHH ect. And I think that saying Cena isn't worth main eventing is a load of shit. He's like our goalie, who does jack shit in warm ups, but when it comes right down to something big, he plays out fantastic. John Cena may not perform as well on RAW, but when it comes to a PPV, he is something to watch. An example of this would be Unforgiven's TLC match against Edge. And if you're so hooked on the Attitude era, then move on. It's called an era for a reason. You have to realize now that the WWE prime time shows are focusing more on the drama aspects of things rather than actual wrestling, thats where the PPVs come in. Why do you think there are only 4 matches on RAW and why do you think the outcomes are always the same? They build up drama for the upcoming pay per view. He's only been in the business for 4-5 years, he's going to develop, as does everyone. I think sometimes you people expect way too much out of the younger generation, and expect them to be at the calibre of certain wrestlers when they were half way through their tenure in the business

 

[Diehard]

Cena is not all bad. I'll admit he is a terrible in ring worker, but over the past year he has provided some very good matches, WM 22 HHH vs Cena, ONS II RVD vs Cena, Unforgiven TLC Edge vs Cena, and just recently the Royal Rumble. And he has got plenty charisma and knows his way around the mic. Everyone hates him because he is holding back other guys cuz of his long title reign and was pushed to soon, but he is doing just fine with the belt right now after a great feuds with Edge, which turned his career away from the Hogan direction, Umaga, yes this was a good feud NYR wasn't the best, but RR more than made up for it, and now has a nice feud going with HBK that i bet will culminate into a great mania main event and lead to an even more impressive ladder match at Backlash. Cena is improving and will continue to improve. It just astounds me that people show their hate for Cena, but aren't as vocal about their hate for Batista, who can't wrestle and has little charisma. And is or would have if not for the injury held the title just as long as Cena.

 

[Capt. Charisma]

That may be so, but the matches you mentioned were v. average, i didnt really like any of them, although the atmosphere at ONS was absoloutaly awsome never laughed watching wrestling so much as when they kept throwing Cena's shirt in the ring. You cant even begin to compare those matches to anything even half decent title matches from ppvs between '97-'03. The fact is Cena is only popular because he is pushed, and the majority of fans dont see past what is real and what is fake which is disapointing. Cena fans are fantatists while cena 'haters' are realists. Finally American football is a load of crap, and half the guys in WWE have a football background which is better than Cena so it doesnt really count for much. He's just too ring heavy for my liking.

 

[Downward Spiral]

Keep up the good discussion guys. I added a poll to the thread because I thought it needed it. Keep it up everyone.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Vince McMahon has been telling people that he sees John Cena and Bobby Lashley as the two top long-term stars in the company and because of that, the two of them are to be carefully protected and booked.

Weather you like it or not Cena's going to be around for a long time. He's got mic skill's unlike Lashley. But when I think of the future I think of Nitro, Punk & Kenny. Cena & Lashley dont even figure.

 

[BaldwinBaller08]

Cena is not nearly as bad as everyone says he is. I will admit though that his arsonal of moves is not the widest or the greatest to say the least. But if you watch some of The Rocks matches at the same point in his career as Cena is in now there is an unmistakenable comparison. Now don't get me wrong cause Cena is no Rock in his terms of Mic Skills and crowd control he's nowhere near the Rocks level. But he is definitly not garbage as some might say. Like someone else said those who are stuck in the Attitude Era really need to get off of it. This is a new Era that HBK and Taker are still able to play in both physically and emotionally. Cena is only going to get better and he will naturally get fans. I absolutely hate his drama when wrestling though. The facial expressions and the acting is kinda bad. But theres no mistaking that this guy is electric from start to the finish he just needs to work on the in between part. When he does though what will you all have to say about him then...

 

[Capt. Charisma]

So basicaly your saying like Cena or dont bother watching it, id rather cut my arm off than cheer for cenai dont get why you guys are all sticking up for him are you all under 10 or something?! And you cannot compare the rock to Cena the Rock in my eyes was the biggest star in the history of wwe, some will say hogan, some will say Stone cold but to compare Cena to them at any point in their carrers is ridicolous. Cena is not good enough, and i as a wrestling fan will not tolerate it. I will boycott waching Cena's/matches/promos if i have to i will not cheer for Cena like the rest of you sheep! Oh and btw people keep saying Cena has good mic skills :S i havnt seen one example of this, if someone finds me 1 example where he aint absoloute garbage on he mic then ill be impressed...

 

[Downward Spiral]

John Cena is just proving to me that the WWE doesn't give a damn about passion in their wrestlers or if they can even wrestle or not, and only care if the wrestler just sells merchandise. Guys like CM Punk got over from their own abilities, Cena was shoved so far down our throats that we were practically told that Cena is here, get used to it, and like him or else. He went over from a stupid gimmick, and the WWE just continue to push and push Cena, and bury and bury anyone who is better than him, and that is the entire roster.

Guys like Cena don't deserve to be at the top, and anyone who thinks that he is trying to improve is really kidding themselves. How long do you think he has had to show some skill in the ring? Guys 10 times better than him are just waiting for their chance at the top, and Cena is just coasting on a wave of Vince's appreciation. Fact is, the WWE is just pushing the wrong guys and that is not just from my perspective. Just about this whole board is waiting to see Cena finally get his ass kicked out of the title picture, and it is just aggravating when they are protecting him like a baby. Maybe his title reigns would be a little interesting if he had matches that were different from the last 1000.

This doghouse crap is really wearing thin, and nothing should keep people from achieving what they deserve in the company. If Cena said "F*** you, and I am way more talented than anyone else" to Vince, Vince would just bring out some new T Shirt to prove to himself that he has picked the right champion. But there are guys that can sell merchandise and can actually wrestle. These are people who work their ass off, and yet they are put behind Cena who hasn't shown anything that would suggest that he is capable of remaining champion as long as he had.

The source of the problem in the WWE, starts at the top. That top is the champions right now, in particular, Cena. Hell, the guy can't even do a decent promo anymore. His promo skills are definitely overrated, and he just gives the impression that he is a jackass, and I know it's not real but he just pisses me off. 5 year old kids are the top priority to please in the WWE right now, and Cena is a sure fit for that, and that makes fans sick. There was a time when the wrestling industry was booming, yet with people like Cena and Batista just boring the hell out of any diehard fan every week, it has gone down. Maybe seeing Cena every week would be interesting if he didn't always come out on top in the same situtation every friggin weak. But this is the WWE, and they don't give a damn about any fans complaints, so I guess Cena is just going to be continuing to look like a child in the ring and show the same moves, voice, character and storylines for ages now. This future crap is bullshit. They can't be building a company around one or two guys, and they have more than enough people to carry the company but Cena is holding them back, and that is the WWE's fault for sure.

 

[mrkennedy___kennedy]

Sure as hell im sick of cena holding the wwe championship. I would love for him to go back on smackdown and leave the title to the harder working guys on raw like Carlito and Jonny Nitro but as long as Cena is liked by the fans Vince will not have a care in the world about his ring abilities.

Personally I like Cena but I would love to see him lose that title and stay away from he title.

Plus Cena v Kennedy would be a fantastic rivalry.

 

[Jeremy Dick]

You're seriously suggesting that Carlito or Johnny Nitro become the WWE champion? Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing if Cena lost the title, if even just for a little while, but Carlito and Nitro aren't yet at the calibre of being WWE champion. They're not at the level to carry the company, at least not at this point in time.

Now if Shawn Michaels wins the belt at Mania, that wouldn't be so bad. But Nitro as WWE champ would just not be a good idea at this point in his career.

 

[Austin3:16]

I dont hate him because its 'cool' I have a genuine dislike for the guy, ever since he started in the WWE. He not at all good in the ring, or on the mic but then gets to squash guys like Christian, Angle, Jericho, Edge and HHH who have been in business for years and are HARDER workers than Cena is, then again who said that Cena is a hard worker? from what ive seen in the ring/mic hes not ecause hes not getting any better this is all pure speculation because none of us really know what is going on behind the scenes. I think your wrong saying us 'haters' dont like him because its cool, its because we watch classic matches in the attitude era and even from 2001-2003 involving the guys i mentioned before who cena squashed in the main event spots putting on reat matches and we see it now and it personally makes me sick. WWE seems a LOT more fake/childish since Cena became a main eventer in my opinion and the matches arent even 1/100th as good. Theres 4 reasons why people hate Cena more than Batisita,
1. More people watch RAW than smackdown thats a well known fact
2. Cena is shoved down us more, just one example is how JR and King constantly plug him about a million times more than any other face in the company
3. The storylines Cena has are cheap, and not very well thought out, Umaga/Cena for example was totaly ponintless
4. We dont have to hear Batista as much on the mic, whereas Cena is always on it splurting out the same old rubbish, i just wish he would say something original for once, or at least react to the crowd which he never does which if you look at great smacktalkers e.g. Cage, Rock, Stone cold etc. all do/did

So is that Cena's fault he beats all the wrestlers you mentioned? In case you forgot the matches are pre-determined that means the winners are already known before the match. Cena doesnt determine the outcome. The Creative writers do. Also its Vince decision wheather he wants to push him or not and what matches he wants him to win and not win. Face it your stuck in the Attitude Era of the WWE. I love that ERA of wrestling more than anything as well. I grew up watching wrestling in the Attitude Era and I miss it like crazy and wish it was back. But changes happen and theres a new breed of wrestlers coming in and you hve to accept it for what it is. Its a new generation and if you dont like it then keep watching TNA and their crappy promos and stupid 6 sided ring. By the way dont go dissing football. What the hell do you play? Soccer? Get outta here. Also Cage is cant even be mentioned as a good smack talker with Austin and Rock. He's nothing but a whiner. A good smack talking heel is someone like Orton or Edge. Someone that could get under their opponents skin.

 

[MaximumVoltage]

I don't think he's bad. I just think the WWE isn't helping Cena by keeping him at the top. They need to tell him to do new moves and things. Watch a match of him from 2002. He knows more moves, he just doesn't do them.

 

[619_Princess]

true i love cena but he has held the title 2 long.... shawn should win at wrestlemania till triple h gets back that would be awesome!

 

[Capt. Charisma]

Well yea and no, he surely has some say as what happens in matches, and its well known that Vince will continue with poor sorylines if the talent does not say something (Stone cold just to mention 1 example, do you remember him as the ringmaster?!) but yea the blame lies squarely with the writers, i dont know if the writiers they have atm have any experiance in wrestling, but some of the crap they are writing atm is ridicolous. As much as I hate Cena I dont want HBK to win at mania. Sure I hate Cena, and HBK should get another title reign in the future, but it just doesnt seem right I want Cena to lose the title to a up and comming star (clean), not nesserily those two although you say Carlito or Nitro couldnt hold the title, but what is the harm in giving one of them a shot at holding it for a while, I would say they are both massivly underused, and their current feuds seem pointless + they are better in the ring than Cena. Its at the stage now where Cena is becomming Hogan in WCW, with all the arse kissing Vince, Cena and Creative team give each other. First of all this is not the place to be TNA bashing, but since you bring it up I feel TNA has a lot going for it atm, its attracting the kind of support that ECW used to get before WWE bought it. Tna at least puts the effort into its shows, and in my opinion has a greater entertainment value, its PPV's are better value for money, and are better. Christian Cage not a good smack talker.. are you smoking crack? Please im begging you to watch some videos of him either in TNA or even WWE on youtube or something because he is the shit, the best smack talker in the business atm... Orton/Edge arent bad, ther sure as hell better than Cena.

 

[tmad82]

After what happened on Raw Monday night, do you think that John Cena could be turning heel? Think about it. All the talk has been about how Shawn Michaels has a history of betraying his partners. Wouldn't it be nice if for once, Michaels does not turn on his partner. Instead, it would be Cena. Besides, WM23 needs atleast one face/heel rivalry for a Major championship. Cena has been face entirely too long and it is time for him to turn heel. I just want everyone's opinions on this.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Actually that would work really well for the WWE creative team to use Irony to turn someone. I agree Cena has been Face for too long. If this is worked the right way it would be good. But I like the way this is progressing, Teasing HBK about to Superkick for weeks now has been brilliant for the build up of suspense. Even though a face/face feud is rarer than even seeing a Heel/Heel feud. I can't remember the last time there was either of these so it could be interesting in that regard if they keep Cena as a face. Im going to saythat both Cena and HBK are going to get huge Pops at WM. This is unlike on Smackdown where you know even though they are trying their hardest in Creative to try keep Batista getting Pops, he is going to get X-pac heat at WM. This is most likely going to be the Year where they have a face in Michaels beat either a Face or Tweener Cena. And a Face Taker beat a X-pac heat drawing Batista.

 

[thelcon21]

There is no way Cena is going to turn heel. The women and the little girls in the crowd will never boo him plus he draws the most merdandise sales right now besides DX. I think it would be something new and fresh to see him as a heel. If I recall last WM against Triple H he was booed during the match and Triple H was the heel. I hate to see what happens when he faces Shawn Michaels with Michaels as a face too. I'm just hoping HBK wins the title though.