[OFFICIAL] General Diva Thread.

[catfightreport]

I vote for a hot and dominant Maryse who uses a long and tight headscissors manuever to wear her opponents down. I think she should sit on her opponent's chest, while headscissoring them, until they slap her thighs and cry out for her to let go.

I kind of like the idea of the bad girls winning fair and square. How about a match where Gail Kim has to be Maryse's slave if she loses?

Certainly that would be more interesting than the current drivel they are producing.

 

[Okay Fabian]

seriously can ppl just stop complaining and see what the hell happens. ppl never look on the damn bright side, think about it ATLEAST this means no sloppy battle royal but instead two seperate Divas bouts, Maryse vs Gail to crown a new Divas champ at WrestleMania (more special moment, it just is, its the biggest event of the damn year, it means more)

Melina returning to make it a Triple Threat is an awesome shock too, but The Road to WrestleMania is about shocks, let downs and swerves just enjoy this time and see what they do and how they switch things on us things arent as predictable as some ppl think, it's just not. ppl are predictable in always being asses and complaining know it all stuck up hypocrits

It would be much easier to sit back and enjoy what happens if I felt the creative team had a well thought out plan for the title. But this whole thing stinks of careless booking. You don't start a tournament if you don't know who you want to win it or how you want her to win it, and when. And skipping over the Divas title match on RAW was not a planned out and executed swerve it was a result of running out of time. Please, save the unpredictability for major storylines. This just feels like the creative team booked themselves into a corner and don't know where to go with it. And if we have to wait another month before a champion is crowned then what was the point of even having the tournament when they did?

 

[Dagger Dias]

I enjoyed the tournament and understood why they took a few weeks to build up hype for the match between Gail Kim and Maryse. It gets moved to the Elimination Chamber PPV and what happens? It gets replaced by a pointless tag team match? Shame on you, WWE. There ARE still fans out there who care about Divas Championship matches. I hope that they have the match on Raw this week so that it can finally be done with, they kept putting it off for too long. I'm disappointed because they could have had the match already AND a title defense by now. I hope they have some type of good swerve or something planned soon to make up for this situation.

 

[Spillz3000]

Yeah seems like they don't really know what to do. On the upside though the team of Michelle McCool and Layla looked really good tonight(Lookwise and Ringwise) they seemed to be really on it and Layla seems to be improving with every match.

Me and my friends were sitting around watching this match and were wondering why aren't we getting a Diva's Title match and one of the possible scenarios we came up with is that maybe the WWE can trash or unify the Divas title with the Women's title and then create Diva or Women's tag team title in it's place. WWE definitely has enough Divas to utilize a Divas Tag Team division and with TNA trying to be competition Vince can do Divas Tag Straps to show everybody that they can do the division better than TNA(at least when it comes to Women's wrestling that's something WWE can't do better than TNA for the time being). That is definitely one of the scenarios we thought of and we definitely think Layla and McCool should definitely hold them straps if they come to fruition. Definitely something to give the women something to do for the moment.

 

[TheHardyBoyz]

What Kind Of Idea Did People Get About Adding Melina To This Match? She Doesn't Come Back In May Or June, Honestly I Don't Care About The Divas Championship, Its A Useless Title With No Woman On RAW Roster Except Gail Kim And Melina To Hold The Belt, And Their Matches Are Completely Short And Stupid, In My Opion I Perfer The TNA Knockouts At Least They Can Wrestle, Also I Think The WWE Womens Championship Is Alot Better Compared To A Barbied Championship Belt, And I Was Looking Forward To The Match But Nooo, They Screw Up Every Divas Match They Put On Television, They Should Retire Or Abandon The Belt For All I Care.

 

[LSN80]

I think Maryse is legitimately injured at the moment. I haven't read it anywhere, but all signs point to it.

While Maryse has been doing nothing but vignettes and and commentary, Gail has been wrestling every week. Last week, she wrestled twice, both on Raw and on Superstars. Maryse hasn't wrestled in around a month. They had the divas title set to go for Raw, then bumped it to the PPV.

When the PPV rolled around, as all of you know, it was turned into a tag match. One that she saw no action whatsoever in. Sure, she laid Gail out after the match, but that took all of 15 seconds. She was wrestling frequently before advancing to the finals.


Maybe I'm wrong, and all of this is just being done to draw more heel heat from Maryse. But she doesn't need it, she has the best heel mannerisms of any diva. It isn't even, close. She's not bad on the mic either. I just think this reaks of injury, one that's not serious enough to shelf her like Melina, but one that requires them postponing the match. For those who think Melina is returning soon, they can forget about it. She has a serious knee injury, and speaking as someone who knows what a torn ACL feels like, (even for someone who rehabs like crazy and has a sitting job), it's not something you quickly come back from.

That's just what I think, and I could be way wrong. But postponing it time after time without a legitimate reason makes people care evn less about the divas title then they already do. That's saying something!

 

[SickJames]

Sometimes they say that but wrestlers come back early (in response to the person above the person above me)

I just still cant stand that no matter what ppl always complain about everything and anything rather than think down the line. I mean crowning a new champion at Mania would be best. They could announce it now and build a storyline into it, something legit that you all have to complain about, they need more Diva storylines, so that would be a good turn for things. And even if Meline got involved in another way if she isnt making a surprise early return, that would be great too

 

[NikNitro24]

Here's what I think they oughta do if they want to bring a little prestige (not to mention a little fanfare) back to the WWE Diva's Division.

After this BS with Maryse and Gail Kim is resolved (and for God's sake I hope it's soon), and after Melina has returned and is 100%, you hold a few Diva's qualifying matches. The winners of these matches will move on to compete in a 6-Way Diva's Match.

This match will see BOTH the Women's strap and the Diva's strap suspended above the ring. Finally, we add a ladder to the mix. There could be a 6-Diva Ladies Ladder Match to determine an Undisputed/Unified Women's Champion. Hold it at a WrestleMania if possible. I think the card should read as follows: Mickie James vs. Melina vs. Beth Phoenix vs. Gail Kim vs. Natalya Neidhart vs. Eve Torres.

Stay with me here. Hear me out. Anyone whose ever watched these six ladies in a match knows that that they are not afraid to get down and brutal and get their hands dirty. Any other ladies besides those six usually look fragile in the ring, tend to move very daintedly, and are just overall boring to watch. Not these six ladies. In their respective careers, they've all gotten just as hardcore as some male wrestlers (except of course for Eve. I suggested her because she looks like she could work a match like this).

I think if Vince really wanted to compete with TNA on that level, give the ladies of the WWE their just credibility, and make them a viable threat to the TNA Knockouts...this would be a fantastic way to do so!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

seriously can ppl just stop complaining and see what the hell happens. ppl never look on the damn bright side, think about it ATLEAST this means no sloppy battle royal but instead two seperate Divas bouts, Maryse vs Gail to crown a new Divas champ at WrestleMania (more special moment, it just is, its the biggest event of the damn year, it means more)

Melina returning to make it a Triple Threat is an awesome shock too, but The Road to WrestleMania is about shocks, let downs and swerves just enjoy this time and see what they do and how they switch things on us things arent as predictable as some ppl think, it's just not. ppl are predictable in always being asses and complaining know it all stuck up hypocrits

Divas matches at WM have been crap for the most part and I don't see it being any different this time. If they're waiting on Melina to come back Wrestlemania time, just let Maryse win last night and Melina take the title off of her. What was the point of putting them in a tag match between Layla and McCool. Hell, McCool has a rematch clause and she could have used that to try to get back her title.

 

[GenMe]

This Divas title situation is fucking stupid.I am also getting annoyed with all this crap.The WWE should off had a Divas Champion like one month ago.But hey i guess that Maryse and Gail are not the chosen ones to carry the Tiltle around their waist.Maybe they think they made a mistake by putting both of them in the final of the tournament.

But even is the WWE had done a mistake by putting these 2 Divas in the Finals,That Divas title could of easily Change hands Any time.Like some one said in the post amybe they are waiting for Melina to come back.Or they might just wait until the draft,They might send gail or maryse to SD.And they might want Mccool to be the Divas Champ again.

You know what i respect the Divas alot.But the ones that im loosing my respect for is the creative memeber for the E."You guys are fucking up big time"

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Why they changed the Diva's Title match to a Tag Team match at the PPV was pretty pointless, but if you dive into the issue deeper, there are one of two things they were willing to achieve:

1) Save the Championship match for a later date. Most of us have already picked this out with the Melina injury and such. They might want to work out their plans for the title without having a back-up storyline with Kim and Maryse, who both can actually prolong the feud they can have. Really, the could have let either Kim or Maryse win the belt and have Melina come along and take it back.

Whatever happens here and if Melina is ahead of schedule with her recovery, I wouldn't mind seeing a Triple Threat match between these three girls for the title.


2) The WWE are trying to put Michelle McCool, and to a lessor extent Layla, over as legitimate heels with decent crowd reactions. You get the heat magnet Vickie out to explain the situation and draw heat for the Team LayCool. They destroy the title's match and get a easy victory with the Kim/Maryse tension.

Once again, Michelle failed to gain any reactions from the crowd without the help of women who are heat magnets (like Vickie and Mickie). All that happened is the Kim/Maryse feud is getting hotter and Layla is becoming the better professional wrestler over Michelle. Shit, sometimes she gets better crowd reactions than McCool.


This situation will get resolved soon. It's not like the Diva's Title is the most important championship or is defended on a regular basis, so the division can sacrifice the wait to crown a new belt warmer.

 

[maar130]

Well.

Personally I thing both has its positives and negatives. Well in the Attitude Era the women were hot and more than that, knew how to make a match watchable, what do I mean? I mean there were not to manny ackward moments during the match, if they screwed up hey knew how to cover it it a little bit better than they do today, BUT today is different because we need to be aware that Women's wrestling is going throw a big transitionin the WWE were there is no real direction and none is not taking responsability for. In the Attitude Era Finlay wa the responsable one for that and he got the best of each performer, The criteria to select women was not that much different but in the end it gave better results to them.

Now the initiative to find inexperinced girls on her early 20s and mesh them up with seasoned girls is not a completely bad Idea, I mean Kelly kelly is like 22, Eve like 23, so probably they are hoping than in 2 or 3 years they can put at least a awatchable match or get like Maryse. Since they are not the focal point of the demographic they will keep things for them short on the A show while giving them a little bit more of a shot on Smackdown in which you can see more constat woman's action.

Now, on the Divas never being a draw, that is something that is not really true, point of it are 3 women, Lita Trish and Chyna...yes Chyna, not the most attractive, not the best wrestler but she had charisma and her Powerhouse style was enough for her to be featured in Multiple Merchandise products and if Chyna has any recognition is because of her WWF days.

Lita was the first female to have a DVD produced only about her and her popularity was so much a that she is the Only WWF diva to date to have being part of One on One Woman's championship matches on the Main event of Raw and being with Stephanie the Only to women to main event during the Monday night Wars (at least at the last part of them, WCW was already sinking badly). Also she was oe of the 2 first ever women to compete in a cage amtch adn in a Hardcore match both on Raw.

Trish Stratuss...well we all know how popular she became and also her list of acomplishments is huge.

Women's wrestling after they retired changed and it has being on a transition period ever since. After they left there has not being any Divas DVDs produced anymore so they are not a main thing for the WWE anymore. this ould change but Unfortunately there has not being something that the WWE can say "This is it", like they did when they hired Lita and she started using aerial moves and started becoming to be popular with the crowd. Also take on account it was a different period of time and everything was more edgy at the time.

 

[dionlyone18]

Everytime you hear someone talking about WWE divas they are always talking about how they are a waste of time or that they can't wrestle. WWE universe I think that you should give the WWE divas the respect that they have earned and deserve.

The divas put there bodies on the line just like the guys do. They train as much as the guys to entertain you and you don't respect them! I want to be a WWE diva one day and I hope that you guys respect me unlike the way that you respect the divas today.

You are always comparing them to the TNA knockouts and I am sick of that. Divas and Knockouts are completley different. The WWE divas can't help that Vince only gives them a little time in the ring unlike the knockouts who get at least 10 mins every week.

So when you really think about it the divas aren't that bad they just have to deal with a lot of things today, that divas like Lita and Trish and the Knockouts don't/didn't have to deal with. So start respecting the divas for all they do. If you don't think that the divas should be respected write why and if you think that they should write why you think that they should.

I will be checking this thread a lot and will read all of the responses so if you want to try and prove me wrong or if you want to talk to me on this thread go ahead. But I will always respect the divas of the WWE!

hmmm i dont know if you are watching raw..but these WRestlers" your talking about...are having a divas bull ride competiton anand talking about baby momma drama...yeah they desevere some respect..notttt!!! divas match are a great time to go to the bathroom a=or get something to drink....snoresville...they dont get respect cause they dont desrve respect..you wanna be a wwe wrestler i suggest you lace up your boots and pray you catch someones attn cause divas matches are pointless face facts and get over it

 

[Poɘt]

Tonight on RAW we saw the conclusion of the Diva tournament. Many fans (including myself) had been pretty annoyed about the match being put off time and time again over the course of the last month. We finally got the match tonight, and Maryse won and is now the Diva champion.

My question is, what's next for the Diva title as well Gail Kim? Specifically what was the point of constantly postponing the match simply to get the rather lackluster result we got this Monday. Was this always the plan? Or was it the result of bad booking and creative deciding just to get it over with? Is Melina going to make it back before WM to challenge Maryse? So many questions due to how the title has been booked since Melina's injury.

I'm disappointed that after all that postponing Gail not didn't win, but throughout the entire process she hasn't appeared to look like she should ever be champion. Throughout this tiny feud, Maryse has done all the talking, got put over the most for her speaking in french shrug, and after leaving Gail to be squashed at Elimination Chamber, goes on to beat her for the Diva title.

I just don't understand the point of the whole feud or WWE's reason for wanting Gail Kim back, considering they aren't using her to do anything that any other diva can't. As a result of how she's been used since her return, most WWE fans that never saw her in TNA believe she can't wrestle and don't see why other fans hype her up, and I can't blame.

 

[MWRedskins]

Personally, i hate the way Vince McMahon is treating stars like Gail Kim and Christian. yeah they went to TNA and did well, but they are back and unlike Jeff Hardy, they didn't basically betray you. I think both Gail and Christian need pushes. Gail Kim is talented in the ring and should be Women's or Diva's champion while Christian should be World Champion or at least talked about, i hope he wins Money in the Bank.

 

[GenMe]

I really dont know what will be next,Now after Maryse won the championship who will she faced?Tonights match started up great i was like hell yeah i think Gail has a chance of winning it,But all of the sudden the match just started getting crappy and my hopes came down.At last Maryse won,Shit not again.WWE really need a new diva or womens champion its always between Melina,Maryse,Mickie,Mccool and Beth,Honestly WWE doesnt have a bad diva roster they have eve,Jillian,Layla,Nattie they might not be great but they could improve as time comes.Really vince give some of them a chance other wise the divas will keep going down and down.

 

[WrestlezoneSavior]

I'm gonna post a very quick reply to this, basically I don't prefer either, because they are not entertaining at all, in a way they mess up more than 95% of their moves, very slow, very un-charismatic, and have horrible storylines

Example : LayCool and the "Fat" Mickie or should I say Piggy James storyline? that got boring after maybe 30 seconds into the feud, and it's a horrible segment in terms of it hurts alot of girls self-esteem and sets a bad example

Bella Twins are basically the escorts (h$e#) of Raw, they do nothing and are boring, I found them kind of fun at first, now whatever.

Natalya is probably the most horribly used wrestling diva in WWE/F History, no women's championships? she loses practically every match she's in, and basically now is just the "voice" of the Hart Dynasty, oh yeah.. she is a Hart, she deserves to be screwed -_-

anyways, in conclusion, whether it's the divas of today, or the ones from 10 years ago, it all comes down to two words.... BATHROOM BREAK

 

[MWRedskins]

LayCool and the "Fat" Mickie or should I say Piggy James storyline?
i am one, hopefully of not few, that hate this storyline. First off, i am not fan of Layla's wrestling, very dull. 2nd, this Piggy James thing, in my book comes off as mean and i think they could do better with the Women's title than have Layla and McCool double team Mickie every week.

Bella Twins are basically the escorts (h$e#) of Raw, they do nothing and are boring, I found them kind of fun at first, now whatever.
yeah, they basically are more "eye candy" than wrestlers.

Natalya is probably the most horribly used wrestling diva in WWE/F History, no women's championships? she loses practically every match she's in, and basically now is just the "voice" of the Hart Dynasty
I think the entire Hart Dynasty is mis-used. I think Natalya needs to be in the Women's title hunt while the Hart Dynasty should be in the Tag Team title picture. All three of these wrestlers are talented in the ring and need to be used more.

 

[TheHardyBoyz]

What Do You Think When See Diva's Matches? A Little Bit Short These Days, All The Raw Diva's Are Basically Eye Candy, While The Smackdown! Divas Are Much Better, Now When Michelle McCool Was The Women's Champion Did She Have A Good Run? I Wouldn't Think So, Shes Rarely Wrestled Since Her Leg Injury And Shes Getting Alot Worse At It, Now Who Do You Like Better The TNA Knockouts Or The WWE Diva's.

 

[omorris]

The state of the wwe diva is really bad right now. It's sad too because this womens roster (raw and smackdown ) has the potential to be the best roster in years especially when Melina comes back. It obvious the writers don't care. The matches are way too short and I think management dropped the ball on a few occasions. One: Melina and Gail Kim would have made for a great program. Two: Katie Lea is not being used enough. Three:This lame attempt to make Mccool and Layla a cheap knock of of the Beautiful People is getting dull.If Mccool is still hurt, put their segments in the back ,put the strap on Mickie and have a program with Beth and Natalya . That would do wonders for the ladies division. I like eye candy as much as the next man but I also like wrestling. After what I saw the last two nights. I say just scrap the divisions it's a waste of time these ladies dont get the chance to put on a decent program. God I wish they would put Shimmer or Chickfight on t.v. . Last, from what i've been hearing , they're about to do the same type of thing with the knockouts. Where's David Mcclain when you need him

 

[scorpioking1026]

Both the Divas and the Knockouts have the good points and their bad points:

First the Good Points with the Divas Only One

1) Potential With people like Mickie, Beth, Maryse, McCool(when she's on her game) Melina, Neidhart, Katie Lea, Gail Kim and even Kelly Kelly (sure she has a way to go but it took awhile for Trish to be good) the division could be solid but with the brand split we miss out on good rivalaries.

Bad Points with Divas

1) Simply too many With most of the women in the division nothing but eye candy, there are just too many for such a limited TV time.

2) Lack of women managers The "eye candy" could be used to help elevate some of the younger stars. Why are the Bella Twins stuck with the guest GMS? Sure Eve Torres is with Masters but we never see him(unless he's stuck on Superstars which I don't watch). We haven't seen a decent pairing (in terms of length anyways) since Beth and Santino and that didn't really help anyone. They had a good thing with Melina and Morrison and haven't come close since.

3) Bad storylines The divas tournament was a joke since it took a month to actually have the finals. The "Piggy James" thing was blah, I don't think they did a great job with the Melina-Beth feud, that really could have been something. And really now? Divas Bull Riding? What a freaking waste of time especially since they all stayed on, which never happens in real life. I felt like I was watch Real-Chance of Love or Charm School.

4) Two Championships Why the need for two? Especially one called "Divas" Championship. That just sounds like a title that should be given to the woman who wins a bikini contest or sumthing. Not an actual wrestiling championship. I really miss Lita and Trish.

The Good Points about the Knockouts

1)More actual wrestlers then "eye candy" In fact for the most part the only ones in the division who I classify as strickly "eye candy" are The Beautiful People. Just about every one else can get it done in the ring. Maybe not 5 star but at least 3 1'2-4.

2)Decent storylines Sure the B.People aren't great technical wrestlers but they are great at getting under people's skin. They have a great gimmick too with that Ugly Stick. There are a lot of potentialy good feuds we can see in this divison if only TNA had the TV time to show them.

The bad points of the knockouts:

1) Tag Titles I give TNA all the credit in the world for trying this idea however it just hasn't worked out. Last I remember Kong and Hermida were the champs but haven't seen them in awhile.

2) Again, lack of managers With so little TV time to spread out for everybody, allowing some of the knockouts to manage would help keep them fresh in our minds. Especially in the tag Division. Beer Money, MCMG, and Generation Me; I could see all three teams with a manager.

So if I had to chose would I pick the Divas or the knockouts? I would have to go with the knockouts. The biggest problem they are facing really is the lack of TV time, which hopefully Hogan/Bischoff fixes soon, maybe its time for another show during the week. Who knows? What I do know is that TNA will fix their women's division a lot sooner then WWE

 

[AMH]

I really felt the WWE dropped the ball yesterday by having Maryse beat Gail Kim for the Divas Championship. Poor Gail Kim literally, and I mean LITERALLY, carried Maryse through that match, only for Maryse to put in one or two good moves and win the title. It's gotten to the point that whenever I see Gail Kim, I can't help but feel guilty. She's one of the best women's wrestlers in the world, and here she is losing to a far less talented Barbie doll. Which proves the state of the women's division on Raw. Notice I said RAW and not Smackdown, because Smackdown is at least trying to create storylines around it's women's division. While Raw uses their women's division as a time filler. Gail should have won that match last night. And as a die hard WWE fan, it kills me to say this, but I think she should go back to TNA. I do. She's far too talented to be stuck where she's at. Or, at least, move her to Smackdown where the true women's talent lies.

 

[El AlcoHALLic]

I can go on and on about why i like the Knockouts more then the Divas as a whole but I'm going to narrow my response down to what I like about the Divas.

I like Mickie James. A lot. I thought the angle where she was a psycho fan stalking trish was brilliant. Her work in the ring is solid and I really enjoy watching her wrestle. I don't think the "Piggie James" angle was one of her best feuds, but at least she was involved in a story that actually went somewhere.

I didn't really care for Maryse at first, then I met her and she joined me and my friends sports group "eTwo" and I started to actually follow her career a bit closer. I don't k now what it is about her but she's a fun heel to watch. She's the perfect Divas Champion at this point in time.

I like Gail Kim, she isn't exactly eye candy but that makes me focus more on his actual wrestling ability. She's a joy to watch wrestle and I wish the WWE would do more to elevate her and let her showcase her skills. I'd love to see her and James go at it.

The Bellas are fine where they're at. They really don't need to serve any other purpose then to be arm candy to the guest hosts.

The thing that bothers me about the Divas is that 9 times out of 10 they aren't involved in a meaningful feud and when they are it's hokey like the Piggie James deal.

I like the direction that the Divas Division is headed. The tournament to crown a new champion made the 3 minute Divas matches relevant and meaningful. I hope they continue on that same path. I'm enjoying it so far.

 

[GenMe]

Right now the WWE divas are doing awful.Look at yestersday situation,They waited to months for that final match of this tournament just for mayse to win it.That was just a waste of time that some other midcard should off had.

The RAW divas suck,And the SD divas are decent.Yeah SmackDown as of right now has the best Diva roster,With Mickie,McCool,Nattie,Beth.Honestly McCool shouldnt even be there.Some Fans get mad because we call them Eye Candy,But its the truth,Look at the bull rideing segment,Honestly i didnt give a crap about divas riding a fucking bull,The people who saved the segment was the MizShow.Both of these dude made me crack my as up,They were funny.

The storylines,Well the last best storyline that WWE had wads the Piggie James storyline,RAW doesnt have any storylines for their Divas,They just defend there title and thats it.I know that some of the fans doesnt want to see the divas wrestled but I do,Because I like to see males and females wrestled.If i want to see some tits and ass,I will just go to the playboy channel or I could just order a porn and thats it.But no i want to see some Divas get there ass beat up,I want to see the same thing the happend in TNA last week with Daffney and Tara.The divas really need some good storylines and some good brawls so they could start being better then the Knockouts other wise they will continue going down.And then because of the WWE creative team we will start losing respect for them.

 

[STINGER71]

I believe one of the reason for the WWE lack of Divas is that Vinnie Mac has gone from the "Atitude Era" to the child friendly wrestling. You have to admit back when Trish, Lita,Melina and others would wear skimpper outfits, have bikini contest, strip match.etc... Remember Sable and the paint on she had at one time during a bikini competion.WOW. Vinnie Mac needs to go back to the risque stuff b/c you see worse things on network programing. IMO, but I think it is a good one!