NXT NWS Debate - Most Important Decade for Video Gaming

[Lee]

It helped introduce online play to the home console with the Sega Dreamcast. I guess with it being a Sega product, people can say the groundwork began in the '80s, which I highly doubt.

Or maybe we can mention the Nintendo Famicom modem released in 1988? Or maybe we can mention that as a whole online console gaming took off after the Dreamcast. Those three months at the back end of the decade REALLY made all the difference on this one.

Oh CH how did Nintendo try and fuck Sony over? If you know your stuff (which it's obvious you don't) Sony tried to screw Nintendo over by getting the Mario and Zelda franchises over to them as well as some deal about CD-Roms or something.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

As my friend Numbers has stated so often in this thread, the ball has to go to the 80's.

Holy tits, kids, the answer is The 90's. Almost everything is best in the 90's.

As good as so many things were in the 80's, you cannot overlook the fact that in 1983, the entire gaming industry did a huge fuck-off nose dive.

It was due to the oversaturation of mass home console systems, most of all cloned an already existing system such as the Colecovision and Intellivisions similarities, clones of the Atari 2600 and so on, it laid waste to the industry oversaturating it with several versions of established games nearly killing it.

but that was only part of the story.

Atari mass produced more Pac-man cartriges than they had sold gaming consoles. Imagine that. Nintendo didn't save gaming as we know it until 1985, when half the decade was already over.

But It was still apart of the 80's IC, without Nintendo and Sega making the save, there would be no second or third generation consoles today.

Some of the most popular genres of gaming known today have their roots in the 90's. This includes: First-person shooters (Doom is the perfect example), Fighting games (sure, some existed in the 80's, but it was the Street Fighter series and Mortal Kombat, followed by Tekken that really made it take off), and Movie-games (NightTrap and Wing Commanders 3 and 4) during which the path you took determined how the movie progressed).

The First person shooter actually has roots from the 1970's, being first traced back to 1973's Maze wars.

Fighting games where first produced in the 80's yes it was a popular product in the 90's but without its initial birth in the 1980's there would be no way we would be seeing the fighting games of todays genre.

Do I even need to bring up the graphical upgrades in the 90's? We went from 8-bit systems like the NES to 16-bit systems like the SNES and eventually got to the 64-bit Jaguar and CD-Rom based gaming on the Sega CD.

Without Nintendo's first leap into the console market with the Nintendo Entertainment system, their would be no way that they would have introduced the Super Nintendo.

Lets do the math shall we:

In the 1980's Mario was created from a rather well known franchise known as Donkey Knog.

In 1985 Nintendo released Super Mario Bro's for the Nintendo Entertainment Sytem, the game itself went on to sell over 40 million copies, the game is still so popular Nintendo released updated version for the Super Nes, and as a download for the Nintendo Wii console.

without Nintendo's giant leap into Platform in the 1980's there would have been no Super Mario Bro's 2, Super Mario Bro's 3 or Super Mario world which was packaged as part of the initial Super Nintendo Package.

The Nintendo Entertainment System was so popular in the 1980's the console still managed to hold it's own all the way to the 90's before Nintendo released it's 16 bit alternative in 93.

And do you think Sega where the first to incorperate expansion with the Sega CD?, no Nintendo did it first in (guess when) in 1986.

In Japan Nintendo released a support Module for the Family computer system or as we know it the Nintendo Entertainment System/Famicom, the expansion was a disk reader which was quit commonly used with basic computer systems of the 1980's.

The Family computer Disk Reader sold over 4 Million copies and has games on the best selling games of all time list which included some well known games such as The Legend of Zelda and Super Mario bro's 2 both selling over 1 million in Japan.

The Sega CD just copied the same process, replacing a disk reader with a CD reader instead, there wasn't much change in the graphic's which it promoted 32 bit but only had grainy pixel's instead.

The Sega CD was praised but was later left out of the later models of the Sega Mega Drive.

This was because the game console itself didn't sell as well as it's predecessor only being utilised with Sonic CD which sold over one million copies, with it's advancements the adaption didn't maintain as well due to cost of production and overall cloning of games that gamers could already afford on the megadrive system alone.

1995's Playstation marked the foray into gaming by Sony, and seeing as the PS3 was released a few years back with massive game play upgrades and a blu-ray disc player, I'd say the move my Sony was a significant one. And even despite its initial failure, Sega Dreamcast in 1999 gave us a window into online gaming, which has been played to a huge level nowadays by the XBox 360.

Without Nintendo and Sega leading the charge these Consoles would never have existed, Microsoft would never have ventured into the world of gaming with the Xbox, or later the Xbox 360, Sony would never have ventured into the gaming foray with the playstation, sega would never have given up and sold many of their top games in these third generation consoles.

Some other innovations in gaming that occured in the 90's include memory cards, rumble packs, controllers with "shoulder-buttons" and an analog thumbstick, and CD-Rom storage.

Storage was used previously in the 80's when Nintendo released the Famicom card reader, and previously with tape drives, without these mediums previously being used there would be no CD storage system that lead to other formats being used with systems such as the Playstation 3 or Xbox 36O, by ignoring that part of history your basically neglecting an integral part of gaming history which has led to the technological advancements that we see today.

I am going to have to say 90's. Thats when we got video games like Earthworm Jim, Final Fantasy 6&7, The first batch of resident evils and the first silent hill. This was a big important step for gaming much like the decade before it. BUT this era incorporated EMOTION into games, such as you would know what that character is feeling weather it was a state of humor,fear,happiness or joy. It certainly revolutionized gaming a whole lot. Let alone with the little thing called 3D being more prominent in games.. it sure did change the world then just having mega graphic re-hauls like we see in todays games.

Final Fantasy was first created in December 1987, which means the game predates the 90's without the first installement selling over a million copies there would be no final fantasy 7.

Survival horror's like Silent Hill actually are apart of the role playing genre, which itself originiated in 1974 and came to prominance in the 80's with games such as final fantasy.

your laying claim that the 90's laid way for the console's that we now take for granted, but without the 80's crash and rebuild these genres would not have been possible, without games like final fantasy there would have been no silent hill, without Mario bro's there would have been no WII, Without the NES's 8 bit graphics there would have been no 16, 32 bit graphics etc.

As Number's has already stated without the building blocks in the console market there would have been no next generation consoles and no expansion to different mediums.

Nintendo and Sega will always be Icons in the games industry and are the main reason why the game industry is branching off into many different formats, and use of storage.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

Time for the domination to begin. The first decade in the millenium is making it's first appearance. I'm an old school kind of guy, but technology isn't a place for the old school. That alone should be enough to show you people that 2000-2010 has been the most important decade in gaming history. Sure everything starts somewhere, but with games it was going to happen eventually so having that as an arguement for the 80's is out the window. Video games were an inevitable reality. 90's, well 90's are always fun, great music, great sports, great games. Does that make the 90's more important? No, it doesn't. Anything the 90's did the 2000's did bigger and better. Great titles started in the 90's like Madden and Grand Theft Auto, but it wasn't until the millenium rolled around that those games got better, much better. Anyone who has ever played GTA II and GTA III can see the leaps and bounds that were made in that series alone. PlayStation and Gameboy evolved, Xbox and World of Warcraft burst on the scene, Nintendo Wii, and games are overall leaps and bounds better than they have ever even thought about being.

Just a few things I want to list off for everyone to let sink in. GTA, Madden, Halo, God of War, Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, iPhone gaming in general, Facebook games like Mafia Wars and Farmville, Online gaming in general, wireless controllers, the list goes on and on and on.

With all these new innovations and bettering of previous game titles I just don't see how 2000-2010 can't be the most important decade in gaming.

 

[BooCocky]

When I think of the best decade in gaming I think of the years 2000-2009. While other decades built the foundation for better gaming, this decade takes the cake. Why? Because look at the consoles it brought us. It brought us the Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii and even the Playstation3. But it also doesn't end there. This decade has brought us enhanced portable gaming. It has brought us the Playstation Portable. The Gameboy advance and even the Nintendo DS.

Nowadays you don't have to sit in front of your television to get a great gaming experience. You can get a great gaming experience on the run. The playstation portable is very lightweight and you get excellent game play on the go.

The video game industry is growing as a whole because gaming has gotten so much better and more advanced. You can now play online. You can play against gamers all across the world. In 1980 and 1990 that wasn't even imaginable.

Video games have steadily increased. In 1996 video games sales were around 2.6 billion. Nowadays it's right around 7.0 billion and still increasing and in the same time period, In the same period, unit sales of video games rose from 74.1 million in 1996 to more than 250 million in 2006. The video games industry is thriving. In 2007, the US consumer-based video games industry expanded by 43%, growing to almost $18 billion. In 2008, year to date sales are 26% over last year’s record-breaking numbers.

Anyways, like BC said, this decade has improved gaming with online gaming, the wireless controllers, games over portable devices educational gaming and so much more. It's hard to not imagine this decade as the greatest of all time.

 

[CH David]

Or maybe we can mention the Nintendo Famicom modem released in 1988? Or maybe we can mention that as a whole online console gaming took off after the Dreamcast. Those three months at the back end of the decade REALLY made all the difference on this one.

I'm trying to find anything about the Famicom Modem. What I find is one that had downloadable content, but not online play. Or the Teleplay Modem, which kind of went nowhere. Or are you just saying that the groundwork began with the Famicom Modem? If it's the groundwork, then fine. If it's the fact it was an online play modem, well the built-in wasn't until the Dreamcast.

Also, why should it matter if it was three months that helped introduce a console with online gameplay? People are using the argument that the Game Boy is an '80s product just because it was released in the middle of '89. Same with the Genesis over here in North America being released in '89. The introduction of a built in modem for a console with internet was the Dreamcast in '99. Other products using it now can thank the Dreamcast.

Oh CH how did Nintendo try and fuck Sony over? If you know your stuff (which it's obvious you don't) Sony tried to screw Nintendo over by getting the Mario and Zelda franchises over to them as well as some deal about CD-Roms or something.

I'm sorry I don't know my Nintendo and Sony history Lee. I'll brush up. But I'll respond for the sake of argument, expecting you to school me on this topic. I'll gladly attend.

With the contract between Sony and Nintendo, why would it have taken three years after the original signing for Nintendo to realize what had happened? You would think that it was a mutual agreement between both companies to make up the terms that were in the contract. Now, as you say Sony tried to screw Nintendo over by taking those high selling games for themselves. Now if I read correctly, I could be mistaken, it would have been to play both Nintendo cartridges and the use of CD-ROMs.

They then went to Phillips and tried to work with them, leaving Sony with what they had. It wasn't very good and a bulk of the profits they would make for the Play Station would go to Nintendo. I guess it was smart business we shall say, possibly greed on their part as well. After that Sony went on to take out the SNES cartridge port and made it PlayStation. Good business turns to misfortune of sorts? Who knows. Sony came out on the winning side of that one though.

Fighting games where first produced in the 80's yes it was a popular product in the 90's but without its initial birth in the 1980's there would be no way we would be seeing the fighting games of todays genre.

Uhh, Deej, no they weren't. The first fighting game was Heavyweight Champ from 1976. It was an arcade video game. Now if we are talking games at home, then perhaps we talk about one of your games which was a computer game. But even you admit that the '90s were what made them popular. I'll repeat, Heavyweight Champ came from 1976. So your argument that the '80s is when they were intitially born, I'll have to say that is wrong.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

The 90’s are responsible for everything you see today in the world of video games, sure there was some ground work laid in the 80’s, and even the 70’s before that, but the 90’s where a decade of innovation. There was the transition into three dimensional gaming, we got out first look at the first person shooter as well as real time strategy games. We even got our first celebrity appearance in a videogame.

Mark Hamill in Wing Commander 3



It’s common to see actors lend their voices to video games, it actually happens quite frequently, but this was the very first example; not just his voice, but actual on screen acting in the videogame. This laid the ground work for such stars as Samuel L. Jackson to earn a little extra cash on the side for games like Grand Theft Auto, which just so happened to make its appearance on the Playstation consol in the 90’s.

With the introduction of the Super NES and the Sega Genesis at the beginning of the 90’s, as well as the introduction to two of the most influential gaming systems ever in the Playstation and the Nintendo 64 it’s clear that the 90’s had a powerful influence on current gaming culture. That’s the ground work for the Wii and the Paystation 3, that’s two of the big three with major 90’s roots.

With those systems we got some of the most innovative games of our time. Games like Mortal Kombat could finally be played at home, which in turn led to the downfall of the arcade. Mario and Star Fox 64 utilized three dimensional graphics like none before, and Golden Eye and Perfect Dark revolutionized the first person shooter, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. So many great games got their start in the 90’s. We have Sonic, Perfect Dark, Resident evil, DDR, Ocorina of Time, Tomb Raider and the list just goes on and on.

We also saw the Gameboy take flight, and for the first time you could play video games on the go, which in turn led to the cell phone video games. I’m talking to you original Nokia with Snake, the first phone game of its kind, a true classic time killer, which led to the ability to download game like Tetris onto your phone, and I don’t have to tell you where that technology has taken you today.

There was also the transition from cartridges to compact discs, which helped to advance three dimensional gaming even further, and of course that’s the only form you see today, other than the Gameboy cartridge which is still running strong.

The 90’s took gaming everywhere and it came in all forms, computers, cell phones, at home consoles. Video games became so important in the 90’s that they influence was felt all over pop culture as well. So with so much innovation in all forms of gaming it seems pretty clear that the 90’s had by far the greatest influence and was easily the most important era of all time.

Everything the 90's did for gaming the 00's blew out of the water. I said it in my post, everything starts somewhere. Well in the case of gaming it's not about where it started, it's about how much better it's made in the next installment. Everygame you listed has been made better in the 00's. Every game system you listed has been made obsolete by a better model or the company has been boughtout in the 00's. You can say everything starts somewhere, but with gaming it was all going to start eventually, and everything your decade has started has been trumped by what's happened in the 00's.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

So I guess we can cut out all of the advances in gaming in the '90s because the '80s paved the way? Bullshit. Like IC mentioned the industry had terrible damage done to it in '83 with the North American video game crash. Thankfully we can thank the Japanese for helping save video games.

Let's see, what else. How about the rise of several genres of gaming. First Person Shooter, Survival Horror, Strategy games, and also it helped introduce online play to the home console with the Sega Dreamcast. I guess with it being a Sega product, people can say the groundwork began in the '80s, which I highly doubt. Another was fighting games. Sure there was one in the '70s and a few in the '80s, but they became huge in the '90s. You had Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, and Tekken.

PlayStation came out in '95. Good times with that console. It was the first console to sell over 100 million units. True fact, Nintendo tried to fuck over Sony and go to Phillips with the idea. Luckily Sony kept at it and sold Play Station, which was crap and Nintendo got profits from it, until Sony fixed it to their liking, and made it PlayStation. I actually laugh a little that Nintendo essentially screwed themselves with that one.

Nintendo 64 would come out in '96. Who didn't enjoy Super Mario 64, which was one of the first 3D platform games of its kind. Goldeneye, regarded as the greatest FPS of all time, kind of a big deal right there, and as SSC mentioned, Ocarina of Time is regarded as one of the greatest of all time.

Really there was a switch from cartridge consoles to the use of CD-ROMs, and with those brought Memory Cards. A change in controller styles. You've got triggers on the top and a nice little handle on the bottom for in my opinion better grip of the controller. I almost forgot analog sticks came out, they definitely help in roaming games like Assassin's Creed now or GTA. You don't get stuck in one position which is grand.

The '80s were great, but I've got to say that the '90s were just more revolutionary in gaming as a whole.

80's were great, 90's were cool, but the 00's are the best. This will mark the third time I've said this but I need to take out all competition, gaming was inevitable. Everything about it was inevitable, it had to start before it could be made better. So congatulations to the 80's for getting the ball rolling, and kudos to the 90's for putting better ideas into games, but you're all welcome because the 00's have turned gaming into something I never thought it would be, a lifestyle. Everything has been made better. CH you said something about the controllers, I got you beat. You mention GTA, I got you beat. Memory cards, beat. Online gaming, boom goes the dynamite. You get the point. Hell you even help make mine in your first sentence, thanks bro. 2000-2010 for the win baby!

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

Everything the 90's did for gaming the 00's blew out of the water. I said it in my post, everything starts somewhere. Well in the case of gaming it's not about where it started, it's about how much better it's made in the next installment. Everygame you listed has been made better in the 00's. Every game system you listed has been made obsolete by a better model or the company has been boughtout in the 00's. You can say everything starts somewhere, but with gaming it was all going to start eventually, and everything your decade has started has been trumped by what's happened in the 00's.

Your right, it's not about where games and systems got their start, but it's not about games being made better either, like you state. It's about what era was the MOST IMPORTANT, and the most important era of videogames was clearly the 90's.

Obviously technological advances are going to continue to improve over time, and soon we'll be onto the next generation of systems that will make the gaming systems of the 00's irrelevant. The fact still remains that the biggest boom in the video game industry happened in the 90's.

The 80's where important, but they got a jump start from the 70's, no denying that, just as every generation has improved on the one's before it, and the 00's capitalized on what the nighties laid out for them. No arguing that every generation takes from the previous one, but there is no arguing that the 90's did more in that ten year period than any other era. Gaming was literally everywhere, and become widely acceptable in pop culture. We saw multiple advancements in videogame consoles, as well as the games them selves. From first person shooters, to real time strategies and mass multiplayer online games the 90's was simply a decade of innovation that can't be matched by any other decade.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

Your right, it's not about where games and systems got their start, but it's not about games being made better either, like you state. It's about what era was the MOST IMPORTANT, and the most important era of videogames was clearly the 90's.

The most important era is the 00's. It has taken everything ever done in gaming and advanced it. One of the most popular games ever is WOW. Gaming is somewhere right now that it has never been, a lifestyle. How many videos on are there of girlfriends smashing an Xbox or deleting a WOW account from their boyfriend's computer? It goes to show how important games have become to people in the 00's.

Obviously technological advances are going to continue to improve over time, and soon we'll be onto the next generation of systems that will make the gaming systems of the 00's irrelevant. The fact still remains that the biggest boom in the video game industry happened in the 90's.

Good thing we only have three decades to choose from. 90's were great, I'm not denying that, but the 00's are more important becasue people care more about gaming now than ever. That boom in the 90's, well do you really think those people would still be playing games if not for all the advances in gaming made in the 00's? I can play GoldenEye every couple of months but if every game was till like that the industry wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today. That goes to show the importance of the 00's.

The 80's where important, but they got a jump start from the 70's, no denying that, just as every generation has improved on the one's before it, and the 00's capitalized on what the nighties laid out for them. No arguing that every generation takes from the previous one, but there is no arguing that the 90's did more in that ten year period than any other era. Gaming was literally everywhere, and become widely acceptable in pop culture. We saw multiple advancements in videogame consoles, as well as the games them selves. From first person shooters, to real time strategies and mass multiplayer online games the 90's was simply a decade of innovation that can't be matched by any other decade.

Innovation was a word you used there. Are you trying to help me out with this debate? Innovation is what the 00's have done better than any era thus far. 00's took everything ever done in gaming and made it better, much better. i'd say that's pretty important.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

The most important era is the 00's. It has taken everything ever done in gaming and advanced it. One of the most popular games ever is WOW. Gaming is somewhere right now that it has never been, a lifestyle. How many videos on are there of girlfriends smashing an Xbox or deleting a WOW account from their boyfriend's computer? It goes to show how important games have become to people in the 00's.

Dune II, 1992, the "mini map" style of gaming was laid out for the first time ever, laying the ground work for games like WoW, StarCraft and Command and Conquer.

and the 90's didn't everything in gaming done before it? Of course it did, with less to work with mind you.

Good thing we only have three decades to choose from. 90's were great, I'm not denying that, but the 00's are more important becasue people care more about gaming now than ever. That boom in the 90's, well do you really think those people would still be playing games if not for all the advances in gaming made in the 00's? I can play GoldenEye every couple of months but if every game was till like that the industry wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today. That goes to show the importance of the 00's.

Without Goldeneye gaming wouldn't be what it is today, games like Halo, that define the current state of gaming, wouldn't be around with out the advancements from the 90's. There's also no 80's involved in this conversation as it was strictly the 90's that advanced the First Person Shooter, without that advancement, as well as the advancements in the MMO genre the 00's would be nothing.

Innovation was a word you used there. Are you trying to help me out with this debate? Innovation is what the 00's have done better than any era thus far. 00's took everything ever done in gaming and made it better, much better. i'd say that's pretty important.

Wrong, maybe you need to refresh yourself with the definition of innovation. As I said, every generation advances from the previous one, but the 90's didn't have the same material to work with, unlike the 00's; and the advancements made where far and beyond to what the 00's did.

We made advancements in consoles, mobile gaming, online gaming, cell phone gaming. we went from 8 bits to 64 bits. Computer gaming went through the roof in the 90's, from games like SimCity which took the computer world by storm, and launched the most successful line of computer videogames ever, even more so than WoW. With developments in web browsers, and plug-ins like Java and Adobe Flash, we where able to develop simple browser based games that help everyone kill time on their computers. Lets not forget the 90's are also responsible for the advancement in CD-Rom drives, games like Quake where first to take advantage of this kind of technology.

As I said, there is no denying that 00's did a lot for gaming, and made some fine advancements, but it's not even close as far as innovation is concerned.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

I just dropped a line to Webster and he said I wasn't wrong in my thinking. I'll just use a few examples here. The 00's innovated the Grand Theft Auto series, look at II and then III and you see what I mean. Two completely different games. The 90's also added a few systems to the fray, that's an innovation, like Sega Saturn for instance. Not all innovations are good. Then we look at a few innovations that happened in the 00's like adding the DVD players and Blue Ray players to the consoles. That has made the systems that much more popular.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

I just dropped a line to Webster and he said I wasn't wrong in my thinking. I'll just use a few examples here. The 00's innovated the Grand Theft Auto series, look at II and then III and you see what I mean. Two completely different games. The 90's also added a few systems to the fray, that's an innovation, like Sega Saturn for instance. Not all innovations are good. Then we look at a few innovations that happened in the 00's like adding the DVD players and Blue Ray players to the consoles. That has made the systems that much more popular.

Innovations like having a built in DVD player are great, but that paper trail takes you right back to the nighties. Without the advancements from cartridges to CD's your decade wouldn't have been able to make such an advancement, lets also not forget that the original Playstation had the abilities to play CD's as well as videogames, which was the first innovation of its kind.

You bring up GTA, and yes the 00's made great advancements in that series, but again it's the birth child of nighties, it's an innovation of the nighties. The 00's applied some pretty good graphics, but the idea was all nighties as was the style.

The Sega Saturn may not have been the most successful of consoles, but it served it's purpose in advancing other systems, like advancing online gaming. It wasn't a total failure either, it was also a successful system in japan, one of the top videogame markets in the world.

 

[The Doctor]

Innovation was a word you used there. Are you trying to help me out with this debate? Innovation is what the 00's have done better than any era thus far. 00's took everything ever done in gaming and made it better, much better. i'd say that's pretty important.

I'd just like to address this.

Dictionary.com defines innovation as:

[in-uh-vey-shuhn]
–noun
1.
something new or different introduced.
2.
the act of innovating; introduction of new things or methods.

You say in your post that the 00's were all about innovation, before saying that all they did was take everything the 90's did and make it better. Is that not the opposite of innovation? As you can see, innovation is about making something new, not making something already there better.

Also, in an earlier post, Becker made it seem like wireless controllers were only a product of the 00's, which is simply incorrect. There have been wireless controllers as far back as the 70's. There have been many official wireless controllers through the years, and yes, through the 90's. Nuby's Boomerang 64, Sega's MK-1646-50, and the AirPlay for the Playstation are just three examples of wireless controllers used in the 90's. And before you go waffling about Infrared and Radio Frequency, and how the 00's invented wireless controllers that worked via RF, know that the AirPlay (a 90's product) worked via RF signals. They were the first to use RF signals to make a wireless controller, a technique which was used by Nintendo for their excellent Wavebird controller, not to mention all sorts of other companies.

Now that's innovation.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

00's is the most important decade in gaming. Period. Doc addressed that wireless controllers have been around for awhile, but they aren't to the level of what they are now. Standard for each system. Online gaming is so much more advanced than it was ever thought it could be in the 90's. Gaming is hitting it's stride right now and becoming one of the biggest industries in the world. Without the advances in gaming in the 00's it might not be dead, but it would be nowhere near what it is today.

 

[The Doctor]

00's is the most important decade in gaming. Period. Doc addressed that wireless controllers have been around for awhile, but they aren't to the level of what they are now. Standard for each system. Online gaming is so much more advanced than it was ever thought it could be in the 90's. Gaming is hitting it's stride right now and becoming one of the biggest industries in the world. Without the advances in gaming in the 00's it might not be dead, but it would be nowhere near what it is today.

Hardly, dude. Wireless controllers may be standard now but without the innovation in using RF technology (which as I said occurred in the 90's) they wouldn't be around in the 00's. Things may have advanced in the 00's, but they weren't innovated in the 00's.

The 90's is where things started to become mainstream. Mario 64 was featured in a Got Milk commercial. There were videogame movies being made all the time. Super Mario Bros., Double Dragon, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat: Annihiliation, and Wing Commander were all videogame movies released in the 90's. You say the 00's is where videogames started to become a "lifestyle"? I disagree. They were assimilating into pop culture and the mainstream during the 90's, and if it wasn't for the 90's they wouldn't have grown like they have in the 00's.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

00's is the most important decade in gaming. Period. Doc addressed that wireless controllers have been around for awhile, but they aren't to the level of what they are now. Standard for each system. Online gaming is so much more advanced than it was ever thought it could be in the 90's. Gaming is hitting it's stride right now and becoming one of the biggest industries in the world. Without the advances in gaming in the 00's it might not be dead, but it would be nowhere near what it is today.

Three periods, sounds like somebody means business.

So I see a few more mentions of 90's technology, you bring up wireless controllers and online gaming. Two more by products of the 90's, and as I've stated numerous times every decade has improved on what they have had to work with; but to assume that the gaming industry would be close to dead without your decades improvements is quite the laughable statement.

As I said, no doubt that the 00's made advancements on videogame technology, there's no denying that, but it no way was it the most important decade for gaming, if anything you continue to prove my case my listing advancements that took place in the 90's, improving on technology is one thing (00's), but creating new technology is what the 90's where all about.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

Three periods, sounds like somebody means business.

So I see a few more mentions of 90's technology, you bring up wireless controllers and online gaming. Two more by products of the 90's, and as I've stated numerous times every decade has improved on what they have had to work with; but to assume that the gaming industry would be close to dead without your decades improvements is quite the laughable statement.

As I said, no doubt that the 00's made advancements on videogame technology, there's no denying that, but it no way was it the most important decade for gaming, if anything you continue to prove my case my listing advancements that took place in the 90's, improving on technology is one thing (00's), but creating new technology is what the 90's where all about.

Internet is serious business and all. You mention that those technologies made their first appearance in the 90's, I'll make the comparison that the 90's are the rookie year for the technology. The rookie year is always special and is the beginning of everything, but is hardly ever the most important year. Also to think that games from the 90's without any improvement for ten years wouldn't kill the gaming industry is even more laughable.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

Internet is serious business and all. You mention that those technologies made their first appearance in the 90's, I'll make the comparison that the 90's are the rookie year for the technology. The rookie year is always special and is the beginning of everything, but is hardly ever the most important year. Also to think that games from the 90's without any improvement for ten years wouldn't kill the gaming industry is even more laughable.

By making that comparison you completely eliminate everything pre nighties from the conversation, and obviously you cant do that. Even if you revised your comparison to make the 80's the "Minor Leagues" (just going along with your analogy) that still wouldn't be doing justice to previous generations.

The nighties are more like a breakout season, we saw great things in the early years or the "rookie years" (70's and 80's) but the nighties is when we finally saw the world of videogames move into the spotlight. The break through season to continue going along with your analogy. After videogames broke out in the nighties it was simply expected that videogames would continue along the same path, but without the "breakout" in the nighties the 00's would be nothing. Expectations rose with technology and your decade capitalized on that, but there would be no capitalization or expectations without the nighties "breakout" season.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I find it funny no one has refuted my comment's on the 80's, with all this talk about the 90's and 00's most of you keep attempting to explain why gaming is better in these decades whilst ignoring the fact that both decades where built on the innovation of the 80's.

Without Microsoft's rise to power in the 80's with the creation of the windows operating system would there have been any 3D graphics which are now incorperated into todays systems?

Without this huge step in microsofts transformation by monopolising computing as we know it would Bill Gates even consider his foray into gaming with the XBOX 360?, I think not.

Time for the domination to begin. The first decade in the millenium is making it's first appearance. I'm an old school kind of guy, but technology isn't a place for the old school. That alone should be enough to show you people that 2000-2010 has been the most important decade in gaming history.

If you're an old School Kind of guy blue then you would know why 00's where supposably the best time in gaming.

The fact is 00's where built on the competition of the 80's between Sega and Nintendo, after the 80's crash no one wanted to invest in gaming as most companies saw this as a loss, without Nintendo's foray into the console market nearly manopolising the industry no other company would have even considered it.

You know which company drew a profit with the third generation console market?..... Nintendo, this was because Nintendo utilised its own branding its own liscences to generate income in the console market.

Without the first attempt in the 80's there would have been no mario, sega would have never attempted to do the same, without The Nes there would have been no Super Nintendo, No N64 and No Wii.

Sure everything starts somewhere, but with games it was going to happen eventually so having that as an arguement for the 80's is out the window.

This comment is completley ignorant, the 80's made gaming, by dismissing the 80's your basically ignoring a piece of history, thats like saying evolution never happened, what did mankind just appear out of nowhere.

Video games were an inevitable reality. 90's, well 90's are always fun, great music, great sports, great games. Does that make the 90's more important? No, it doesn't. Anything the 90's did the 2000's did bigger and better.

How did the technology become available to insure that games where made bigger and better?, here's abit of history for you.

Game Sprites where utilised in order to create game's the technology was first introduced in the late 70's moving into the early 80's, without this technology how would the next generation of computer gaming come to pass?, it wouldn't have it's evolution, without 2D sprite's there would have been no 3D, without Window's there would have been no microsoft catch my drift?.

Great titles started in the 90's like Madden and Grand Theft Auto, but it wasn't until the millenium rolled around that those games got better, much better. Anyone who has ever played GTA II and GTA III can see the leaps and bounds that were made in that series alone. PlayStation and Gameboy evolved, Xbox and World of Warcraft burst on the scene, Nintendo Wii, and games are overall leaps and bounds better than they have ever even thought about being.

So Mario Brother's isn't a great title?, so punch out wasn't a great title, what about Pacman, or maze warz?, the list is endless, and you say you love old school games?, you either lack understanding or lack reference material, abit of both methinks.

Just a few things I want to list off for everyone to let sink in. GTA, Madden, Halo, God of War, Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, iPhone gaming in general, Facebook games like Mafia Wars and Farmville, Online gaming in general, wireless controllers, the list goes on and on and on.

With all these new innovations and bettering of previous game titles I just don't see how 2000-2010 can't be the most important decade in gaming.

Innovations where being made long before the 00's, all the games listed where created from a process of pixels and sprites that began from the late 70's but was utilised more in the 80's and still continues today, the most downloaded game on Xbox Arcade Scott Pilgram vs The World: The Game was created using this very same method.

When I think of the best decade in gaming I think of the years 2000-2009. While other decades built the foundation for better gaming, this decade takes the cake. Why? Because look at the consoles it brought us. It brought us the Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii and even the Playstation3. But it also doesn't end there. This decade has brought us enhanced portable gaming. It has brought us the Playstation Portable. The Gameboy advance and even the Nintendo DS.

So you admit that the 80's where the buiding block for the 00's, by being the foundation doesn't that mean that the era made gaming what it is today?

The Gameboy was released in 1989, after the sucess of handheld Nintendo created more moving to the gameboy colour, and then the DS and now in the process of creating the 3DS.

without the building blocks there would be no foundation, see above for my views on Microsoft, so your point on the XBOX 360 would remain a moot one.

And do you want to know where the Design for the DS originally came from?

Nintendo's first handheld system, this was called the Game and Watch, would you like to know when it was created?

1980

Nowadays you don't have to sit in front of your television to get a great gaming experience. You can get a great gaming experience on the run. The playstation portable is very lightweight and you get excellent game play on the go.

See above for my rebuttle, handheld gaming existed in the 1980's so people where already enjoying there games on the go.

The video game industry is growing as a whole because gaming has gotten so much better and more advanced. You can now play online. You can play against gamers all across the world. In 1980 and 1990 that wasn't even imaginable.

Like BC said without the building blocks, we would never be enjoying advanced gaming of today, so without the 1980's Technology would never have made gaming as advanced as it is now.

I'm trying to find anything about the Famicom Modem. What I find is one that had downloadable content, but not online play. Or the Teleplay Modem, which kind of went nowhere. Or are you just saying that the groundwork began with the Famicom Modem? If it's the groundwork, then fine. If it's the fact it was an online play modem, well the built-in wasn't until the Dreamcast.

Actually the first attempt at Online play was through the cable system in guess what year? 1981.

The Intellivision PlayCable was introduced, it allowed local Cable Tv Operators to send Intellivision games through a normal cable wire alongisde a normal tv signal, this allowed users to download games so that they can play them on there intellivision units using a special device called a a playcable adapter, it wasn't as sucessful but it spurned the first online playable system.

in the 1980's Atari introduced its own system called the gameline which allowed the user to download games and upload their high scores using this system effectivly competing with rivals online, this thus far is the first real introduction of online play, which has more familiar forms used within the playstation 3 and Xbox 360m but without this first attempt, we would not be able to appreciate online play in it's current form.

Also, why should it matter if it was three months that helped introduce a console with online gameplay? People are using the argument that the Game Boy is an '80s product just because it was released in the middle of '89. Same with the Genesis over here in North America being released in '89. The introduction of a built in modem for a console with internet was the Dreamcast in '99. Other products using it now can thank the Dreamcast.

Didn't the Dreamcast Bomb?, the product was discontinued in 2002 and without it's predecessor's attempt's into the online forum than how would Sega have known how to incorperate it?.

As BC stated previously 80's where the buildingblock's for todays advancemence into the gaming world.

Uhh, Deej, no they weren't. The first fighting game was Heavyweight Champ from 1976. It was an arcade video game. Now if we are talking games at home, then perhaps we talk about one of your games which was a computer game. But even you admit that the '90s were what made them popular. I'll repeat, Heavyweight Champ came from 1976. So your argument that the '80s is when they were intitially born, I'll have to say that is wrong.

I was talking about the home console market, not the arcade.

and also the mark was made with the initial street fighter game when it was released in 1988 for the TurboGFX console.

The TurboGFX was also the first foray into a medium other than cartridge, Turbo GFX-CD utilized the CD rom utility which was later used on the Sega CD and guess when it was released? 1987.

So your wrong on both count's.

80's were great, 90's were cool, but the 00's are the best. This will mark the third time I've said this but I need to take out all competition, gaming was inevitable. Everything about it was inevitable, it had to start before it could be made better. So congatulations to the 80's for getting the ball rolling, and kudos to the 90's for putting better ideas into games, but you're all welcome because the 00's have turned gaming into something I never thought it would be, a lifestyle. Everything has been made better. CH you said something about the controllers, I got you beat. You mention GTA, I got you beat. Memory cards, beat. Online gaming, boom goes the dynamite. You get the point. Hell you even help make mine in your first sentence, thanks bro. 2000-2010 for the win baby!

Your repeating yourself, it's embarrassing.

Your right, it's not about where games and systems got their start, but it's not about games being made better either, like you state. It's about what era was the MOST IMPORTANT, and the most important era of videogames was clearly the 90's.

How so?, Numbers and myself already covered why the 80's was the most important decade so let me explain it to you in bullett points.

- Nintendo began and established it's domincance when it introduced the Nintendo Entertainment System.

- Nintendo incorperated the disk system which was the first expansion unit for the game's console.

- Microsoft became dominant in the 1980's with the sucessful market and monopolisation of the Personal Computer Operating system introducing the graphcial user interface with the first windows operating system.

- Nintendo first introduced the hand- held system with the game and Watch which they than incorperated into the Nintendo DS in the 00's.

- Online Play was first introduced in the 1980's with game and play and Gameline.

- The first CD console was introduced with the TurboGFX-CD which was also the introduction of another 16bit console, the sega genesis/mega drive.

- Street Fighter series first gained prominance in the 1980's when released on the TurboGFX-CD.

- Without the 80's crash Nintendo and Sega would never have begun their rivalry.

there is more but i think i made my point here.


Without the 80's none of this would have been possible guys, refute our claims i dare you because you can't, there all facts!.

 

[DirtyJosé]

*sigh*

It's a point so simple, I'm surprised only one person has really gone there so far, and even he skimmed over it.

As good as so many things were in the 80's, you cannot overlook the fact that in 1983, the entire gaming industry did a huge fuck-off nose dive. Atari mass produced more Pac-man cartriges than they had sold gaming consoles. Imagine that. Nintendo didn't save gaming as we know it until 1985, when half the decade was already over.

Let's really take a look at what happend here.

Over-saturation of the video game market is the commonly cited cause of the crash of '83. However, the problem was a little more complicated than just Atari having published too many copies of ET and Pac-Man. In the end, it was a combination of factors which ultimately lead to the consumers having little to no faith or interest in video game developers by 1983.

Atari and Mattel losing exclusive rights to their own consoles is a moment of huge importance in the discussion of video game history, because it created the third party market. It also set into motion the events of '83 by encouraging anyone with some easily impressed investors to start up a video game development division and start shoveling out low quality, low budget games to get in on the cash cow gaming appeared to be. With console makers now unable to control the quantity of video games on the market for their machines, toy and electronic stores were filled with games which weren't selling. Retailers could not return the games to the publishers, as many lacked either newer titles to replace them with or the cash to refund them. Many of those eager to jump into to the market found themselves going under just as quickly.

Between the deluge of shovelware from upstart companies, the duo of high profile blunders by Atari (the criminally hideous Pac-Man port for the 2600 and the unplayable and over-hyped turd E.T.), and a personal computer market that was quickly making strides past home consoles in capabilities and utility, retailers and consumers had had enough. Consumers no longer trusted advertising and hype because of being let down so many times, and retailers no longer viewed video games as being worth the space on their shelves. The 80's are the most important decade in video game history in part because of the lessons learned during the meltdown of the American market.

Of course, I wouldn't call the 80's the most important decade in video game history if it didn't also include great success as well as epic failure. The ruined landscape that was the American video game market moved the balance of power to Japan, as Europe was more interested in personal computing systems than dedicated gaming consoles. Nintendo used this opportunity to revive the image and marketability of video games by the end of the decade, enough so that Nintendo is often synonymous to most people with 80's gaming.

Nintendo, which had released it's Famicon to Japan in '83, was primed to take the American market by storm. Its biggest obstacle was the image of games as toys at best and a passed-over fad at worst. Nintendo had to change to the terminology used for its marketing strategy to avoid seeming like "just another video game". The American Nintendo system was marketed as an "Entertainment System" instead of a video game console. Steps like this enabled Nintendo to get in with the retailers, but it's solution to earning the trust of the consumers again is probably the most important development in video gaming history.

To combat the out of control third party market that had sunk the American market in the beginning of the decade, Nintendo took steps to ensure that it could control the quality of the games for its system, and thus ensure a quality product for the consumer. Nintendo learned well the lessons that Atari and Mattel had not, and came prepared to deal with third party developers; indeed, they designed the system with the idea of supporting third party development in mind. Where Atari had tried to combat the problem by legal means (which it ultimately lost), Nintendo designed both the console and the cartridges to utilize a lock-out system (the 10NES chip). By controlling not only console manufacturing but cartridge manufacturing as well, Nintendo held all of the cards at the table with outside developers. Nintendo welcomed them to develop games for its system, but under certain restrictions, including requiring developers to pay up front for at least 10,000 cartridges of each title, and limiting each developer to only 5 releases a year.

While some companies found ways around Nintendo's limitation on the number of games that could be developed and released for its console each year, and some even found ways around the lock-out system built into each cartridge and console, the impact of Nintendo's innovative approach to third party development are felt even today. The concept of the lock-out system have been emulated in every home console released today, albiet in the form of encoded optical discs which for the most part can't be copied or read without special hardware available only to the console manufacturer. Though even modern lock-out methods can be overcome to pirate software, there has never been a flooding of the market by unofficial games since Nintendo's industry changing approach to handling the problem.

Yes, Nintendo didn't come around to America until '85. In the second half of that decade, however, it ensured that there would even be a video game industry going forward. If not for the success Nintendo found in rebuilding the trust with consumers and the relationship with retailers, there would not have been nearly as many companies willing to sink big bucks into developing next generation gaming technology. Had Nintendo never found a solution to the third party developer problem, many franchises we know and love today wouldn't exist. Without the turnaround in the market that Nintendo single handedly brought to American shores, many of the major companies that produce games and consoles today would never have invested in the industry in the first place. Companies like Sony and Microsoft would never have been involved in gaming if Nintendo hadn't already proved that home consoles could again be profitable. The 80's are the most important decade in video game history because without the innovations Nintendo made in how things are done, the American home console market would have remained dead.

Also, Pac-Man and Mario; I dare anyone to think of any other decade which produced characters as influential to mainstream culture as these two titans.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

How so?, Numbers and myself already covered why the 80's was the most important decade so let me explain it to you in bullett points.

- Nintendo began and established it's domincance when it introduced the Nintendo Entertainment System.

- Nintendo incorperated the disk system which was the first expansion unit for the game's console.

- Microsoft became dominant in the 1980's with the sucessful market and monopolisation of the Personal Computer Operating system introducing the graphcial user interface with the first windows operating system.

- Nintendo first introduced the hand- held system with the game and Watch which they than incorperated into the Nintendo DS in the 00's.

- Online Play was first introduced in the 1980's with game and play and Gameline.

- The first CD console was introduced with the TurboGFX-CD which was also the introduction of another 16bit console, the sega genesis/mega drive.

- Street Fighter series first gained prominance in the 1980's when released on the TurboGFX-CD.

- Without the 80's crash Nintendo and Sega would never have begun their rivalry.

there is more but i think i made my point here.


Without the 80's none of this would have been possible guys, refute our claims i dare you because you can't, there all facts!.

Is this a joke, your partner numbers backed off, because I took him to school. Also you covered why you thought the 80's where better, your opinion is not fact, so lets not state it as such.

I'm not denying that the 80's didn't play a part in what the 90's where able to do, but in no way was it a more important decade for gaming, as I've said almost ten times now, and proven with facts upon facts. Facts that you seem to ignore, or not want to try and dispute, and I really cant blame you for that.

The 80's laid some mighty fine groundwork, but lets not pretend that the 70's didn't get things started, because they did. I've credited every generation, ans it's common sense that one generation is going to advance on what the previous one did; but the 90's had more innovations than the 80's and 00's have combined, I know they 80's laid down groundwork, and I'm not in denying it.

Bringing up the Genesis again, that was half a year in the 80's. It was a 90's system as I already proved, it was far more prominent in the 90's than it ever was in the 80's and had far more memorable games released for it in the 90's.

You seem to be ignoring the facts that I have laid out for you, proven by the half ass quote that you decided to take from one of my posts. I through facts out left and right, and you choose to ignore.

Trying to claim the Game and Watch was a design for the Nintendo DS is laughable, and it's not even the generation I'm supposed to be defending.

Uploading scores in 1980 is not online play, perhaps slight groundwork, but don't be silly there is a difference between uploading scores and actually competing over the internet with another user.

Windows operating system? What games are you referring to here? Because a computer may be used for gaming now, but don't try to pass it off as an 80's gaming machine, that's simply foolish.

Again, I've given plenty of credit to the 80's, something that you seem incapable of doing for your previous generation, video games didn't start in the 80's your decade didn't invent gaming, you improved on it just like the other generations. The nighties took gaming to a whole new level, we practically eliminated the arcade with so many at home console options. The nighties took gaming everywhere, including your cell phone, and you know as well as anyone else what the mobile phone has become today. With multiple generations of home consoles and hand held systems, as well as the pop culture boom with movies, television and music all inspired by video games it's clear the 90's where the most important decade for gaming.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Is this a joke, your partner numbers backed off, because I took him to school. Also you covered why you thought the 80's where better, your opinion is not fact, so lets not state it as such.

Seriously are you high?

Because it seems like your talking out of your ass!, Numbers probably left the thread out of disbelief of your asinine comments, you clearly haven't done any reasearch.

I'm not denying that the 80's didn't play a part in what the 90's where able to do, but in no way was it a more important decade for gaming, as I've said almost ten times now, and proven with facts upon facts. Facts that you seem to ignore, or not want to try and dispute, and I really cant blame you for that.

To steal a quote from the rock It doesn't matter what you think, the proof is there, I can link you to twenty different materials of source that i used to refute you claims, because i actually do something you know what it is?, research.

The 80's laid some mighty fine groundwork, but lets not pretend that the 70's didn't get things started, because they did. I've credited every generation, ans it's common sense that one generation is going to advance on what the previous one did; but the 90's had more innovations than the 80's and 00's have combined, I know they 80's laid down groundwork, and I'm not in denying it.

Did atari make a competing console to the xbox360?, did Mattel?, coleco?, no they didn't the reason they didn't is because of the damn crash in the early 80's allowing nintendo to manopolize the market you nitwit.

But you havn't touched on that, instead you pretend to defend yourself without providing any proof execpt the asinine answer of "I Is right".

Bringing up the Genesis again, that was half a year in the 80's. It was a 90's system as I already proved, it was far more prominent in the 90's than it ever was in the 80's and had far more memorable games released for it in the 90's.

It was manufactured and released in 1988 where it attained popularity in Japan before being released in America and Europe, so don't pretend that the 80's didn't lay claim to the console just because you didn't touch it till the 90's.

You seem to be ignoring the facts that I have laid out for you, proven by the half ass quote that you decided to take from one of my posts. I through facts out left and right, and you choose to ignore.

Ignorance is not a fact, it's a formality, one which i have refuted on numerous occassions because why?, because you didn't do any research lad.

Trying to claim the Game and Watch was a design for the Nintendo DS is laughable, and it's not even the generation I'm supposed to be defending.

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Uploading scores in 1980 is not online play, perhaps slight groundwork, but don't be silly there is a difference between uploading scores and actually competing over the internet with another user.

Actually it does, its still competing with others online, prove me wrong, oh wait you can't you have no evidence.

Windows operating system? What games are you referring to here? Because a computer may be used for gaming now, but don't try to pass it off as an 80's gaming machine, that's simply foolish.

Are you an idiot?, how are these games made?, on personal computers using kits braught out by these companies, seriously dude your either playing dumb or actually are stupid.

Again, I've given plenty of credit to the 80's, something that you seem incapable of doing for your previous generation, video games didn't start in the 80's your decade didn't invent gaming, you improved on it just like the other generations. The nighties took gaming to a whole new level, we practically eliminated the arcade with so many at home console options. The nighties took gaming everywhere, including your cell phone, and you know as well as anyone else what the mobile phone has become today. With multiple generations of home consoles and hand held systems, as well as the pop culture boom with movies, television and music all inspired by video games it's clear the 90's where the most important decade for gaming.

So did the 00's but you seem to lack understanding, do you want me to speak to you in another language?

 

[Davi323]

Your argument is invalidated by Techmo Super Bowl. All other video games and video game consoles are insignificant next to the power of Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders.

In all seriousness, it has to the 80s. Video games stopped being an arcade only experience, and became a much treasured time waster in peoples homes. I don't care about what graphics came out when, nothing can compare the transformation of home entertainment back then. Game consoles like Atari, Colecovision and Intellivision got everything started, and Nintendo became a global empire. Everything else is built on that foundation.


But really, its all because of Bo and Barry.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

Seriously are you high?

Because it seems like your talking out of your ass!, Numbers probably left the thread out of disbelief of your asinine comments, you clearly haven't done any reasearch.



To steal a quote from the rock It doesn't matter what you think, the proof is there, I can link you to twenty different materials of source that i used to refute you claims, because i actually do something you know what it is?, research.



Did atari make a competing console to the xbox360?, did Mattel?, coleco?, no they didn't the reason they didn't is because of the damn crash in the early 80's allowing nintendo to manopolize the market you nitwit.

But you havn't touched on that, instead you pretend to defend yourself without providing any proof execpt the asinine answer of I Is right.



It was manufactured and released in 1988 where it attained popularity in Japan before being released in America and Europe, so don't pretend that the 80's didn't lay claim to the console just because you didn't touch it till the 90's.




Ignorance is not a fact, it's a formality, one which i have refuted on numerous occassions because why?, because you didn't do any research lad.



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Actually it does, its still competing with others online, prove me wrong, oh wait you can't you have no evidence.




Are you an idiot?, how are these games made?, on personal computers using kits braught out by these companies, seriously dude your either playing dumb or actually are stupid.



So did the 00's but you seem to lack understanding, do you want me to speak to you in another language?

I'll concede the Game & Watch to you, as I wasn't familiar with it's design. Let's not kid ourselves, other than the basic design it had to technological impact on the DS.

I'm not going to sit here and respond to your insults Deej, according to you I'm an Idiot who talks out his ass, yet you didn't bother to read through my Opening post, or any of the other ten posts scattered with facts. It's not my job to reiterate the facts over and over again. If you want to debate with me go back and challenge my original post.

 

[Big Sexy]

Because it seems like your talking out of your ass!, Numbers probably left the thread out of disbelief of your asinine comments, you clearly haven't done any reasearch.

No, Numbers left the thread because his ass was handed to him. At least he responded to people's main points and tried to make an interesting debate. You just come in and make baseless insults without actually refuting most peoples facts. Go back to the first few pages of the thread and actually read a little because you are making a fool of yourself.