NFL Week 17 LD

[George Steele's Barber]

I'm still really confident that there isn't a legitimate argument against Stafford because yours was full of holes and easily shot down.

Alright, here is your legitimate argument - some combination of players, coaches and fans didn't pick him to play in an all star game. Maybe the Giants have a bigger fan base and therefore there is bias involved but that is just 1/3 of the vote. The rest of the vote came from the guys who make a living playing the game.

 

[Megatron]

Oh look, Cruz just ran 70 yards after the catch for a TD. Yet, that was still all Eli on the play...

 

[Nate DaMac]

Tebow made a couple of catchable throws on the final drive, his receivers dropped them. Megatron is right, Denver needs at least one receiver who can get open and catch the ball. KC locked down Bronco receivers today.

He also made a couple of awful decisions.

I was kind of conflicted. As a KC fan, I wanted them to win, but at the same time, I desperately did not want to see the Raiders get in the playoffs.

It was a great day to be a Chiefs fan.

I'm a little different. Huge Chiefs fan, but I hate San Diego and Denver far more than I hate the Raiders. I was pulling for them.

I think Tebow can get them through next year. Denver needs a WR far more than they need a quarterback. It doesn't matter what quarterback you bring in, if your receivers can't get open and can't catch the ball, then your passing game is not going to go well.

I agree that they need a receiver. Badly. But I highly doubt Tebow makes it through the entire season next year. They're getting a first place schedule. They went 8-8 with a last place schedule.

With the position the Broncos will have in this draft, it would seem silly to draft a QB, unless someone you're high on someone who falls, like Rodgers did to the Packers a few years ago.

If the Colts elect to keep Manning, I could see Denver giving up their entire draft to move up and get Luck.

Why? Because his team lost three games?

Tebow lost 2 of those. The KC and Buffalo games fall squarely on his shoulders.

Tebow was thrust into the starting role halfway through the season. The Broncos were not built at all to run a Tebow offense, and they had to adjust on the fly throughout the season.

Tebow might now work out. But how about people give him an actual preseason and a decent WR and/or TE to throw to before they use three games to say he sucks.

I wouldn't risk it. If I'm in charge of the Broncos, I don't base my entire franchise on a novelty act. I look for a traditional QB.

 

[Big Sexy]

Alright, here is your legitimate argument - some combination of players, coaches and fans didn't pick him to play in an all star game. Maybe the Giants have a bigger fan base and therefore there is bias involved but that is just 1/3 of the vote. The rest of the vote came from the guys who make a living playing the game.

Or maybe the coaches, players, and fans were wrong in this situation like they were when making a few of their other picks (Brian Urlacher making it for example). The fact that the Lions have become the bad boys of the NFL likely didn't do Stafford any favors. In fact I'm sure it played a role in them only getting one guy selected to the pro bowl.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Man I hope the Giants put a hurting on the Girls tonight.

 

[Unsold Bacon]

Nice job Cowboys.

 

[newc868]

Oh look, Cruz just ran 70 yards after the catch for a TD. Yet, that was still all Eli on the play...

It was all Newman as to why that was a TD.

 

[Slyfox696]

He also made a couple of awful decisions.

He's in his first full season. He's going to make mistakes.

I agree that they need a receiver. Badly. But I highly doubt Tebow makes it through the entire season next year.

It depends on who they can replace him with. I don't think they believe in Brady Quinn.

If the Colts elect to keep Manning, I could see Denver giving up their entire draft to move up and get Luck.

I don't think the Colts would give up the first pick for a middle of the round pick. The Rams, on the other hand, might.

Tebow lost 2 of those. The KC and Buffalo games fall squarely on his shoulders.

I don't know if I'd give FULL blame for the 40 points Buffalo scored to Tebow, but yeah, he definitely did not play well in either game.

But again, go back to what I said. Get him a decent receiver and tight end, give him training camp and preseason practice reps and see what he can do. He might not ever be anything. But to say he won't be anything because of three games is unfair to someone who is playing his first full season. Even Payton Manning didn't have a good first year.

I wouldn't risk it. If I'm in charge of the Broncos, I don't base my entire franchise on a novelty act. I look for a traditional QB.

A "traditional" QB had you missing the playoffs the last 5 years and in last place last year, and heading for last place again this year. The "novelty act" got you into the playoffs.

 

[justinsayne]

Alright, here is your legitimate argument - some combination of players, coaches and fans didn't pick him to play in an all star game. Maybe the Giants have a bigger fan base and therefore there is bias involved but that is just 1/3 of the vote. The rest of the vote came from the guys who make a living playing the game.

The ProBowl selection process is a huge popularity contest, Eli Manning is a much more popular player than Stafford, for a few reasons, some being where he plays, his last name, & the fact that he's played longer than Stafford, whom btw just completed his first full season w/o a major injury.

 

[BooCocky]

The Rams aren't trading for Luck. They have too much money invested in Bradford. Plus his contract is huge...

 

[newc868]

I don't think the Colts would give up the first pick for a middle of the round pick. The Rams, on the other hand, might.

Do you think they're ready to quit on Bradford then?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

WRs can only catch balls that QBs throw. GSB, your entire argument against Matt Stafford is absolutely ridiculous. It's like stating that Joe Montana and Steve Young didn't deserve credit either, since they had Jerry Rice on their team. You have your logic bass ackwards. Calvin Johnson didn't receive for 5,000 yards, in fact 2/3rds of all of Stafford's yards went to other players. Matthew Stafford is having a better year than Eli Manning, and it is indisputable to anyone who is capable of looking past the Lions struggles for the last decade.

My argument is that Manning is a better QB than Stafford and the fact that he won a popularity contest is completely justifiable.

I get it, you have a hard time believing anyone on the Lions could be that good...

What are you talking about? I think Megatron is the best WR in football. I think he could be the greatest of all time.

they are the Lions, and they suck, right? Get over your prejudice. Matt Stafford kicked Eli Maning's ass in stats this year.

Stats are only one indication of ability. This isn't Fantasy Football. Ability counts too.

 

[justinsayne]

I don't see Indy giving up the first pick at all, you have a chance to go from Peyton to Luck, transitions from one HOF guy to a guy people think is the second coming of football Christ don't come along very often. Indy is not stupid enough to pass on something like this. I think Indy is more likely to trade Manning than they are the #1 pick.

 

[BooCocky]

That trade for Carson Palmer is looking worse and worse every week.

I don't know. He made Heyward Bey look like a good receiver.. lol

Also, I want to congratulate Hines Ward on another milestone. He now has 1000 catches in his career.

 

[Slyfox696]

Do you think they're ready to quit on Bradford then?

No, I think they'd be willing to trade the #2 pick. The Rams aren't giving up on Bradford. But they have so many deficiencies, and they're not a very well-run franchise, they'd be willing to give up the #2 pick, regardless of the value they get in return.

 

[Big Sexy]

I think Bradford gets one more year. He had a solid rookie season and showed some nice flashes. This year he was injured for the most part and the team around him wasn't exactly anything to write home about on either side of the ball. If he doesn't have a good year next season then it's time to move on.

 

[newc868]

Ahmad Bradshaw! Woop woop!

 

[klunderbunker]

I want to string Ryan and our defense up and beat them with a string of his brother's liposuctioned fat.

 

[Big Sexy]

Some team will give up a few high draft picks to get the number 2 pick so they can take Griffin. Like Sly said, the Rams need a lot of help so the more picks the better.

 

[Slyfox696]

I think Bradford gets one more year. He had a solid rookie season and showed some nice flashes. This year he was injured for the most part and the team around him wasn't exactly anything to write home about on either side of the ball. If he doesn't have a good year next season then it's time to move on.

I think they'll give him more than that. The Rams are terrible, they're likely to fire their coach tomorrow, they have very little talent outside of an aging Stephen Jackson.

I think they'll give Bradford more than 2 healthy seasons.

 

[Megatron]

Sam Bradford's talent around him sucks. They need Blackmon for him badly. Stephen Jackson only has so many more tracks left on the tires. An offense that scored less then 200 points in a season needs a massive overhaul. I might even consider going receiver/TE with the first two picks, depending on who's all attractive for a TE.

 

[BooCocky]

Their offensive line is atrocious. At times I thought the Rams d line played well. But other than that, they need a lot of work.

 

[Unsold Bacon]

@George Steele's Barber You seriously can say Megatron is one of the best ever? Over, say, Jerry Rice,Randy Moss and Cris Carter etc.

 

[newc868]

No, I think they'd be willing to trade the #2 pick. The Rams aren't giving up on Bradford. But they have so many deficiencies, and they're not a very well-run franchise, they'd be willing to give up the #2 pick, regardless of the value they get in return.

Hmm. I was under the idea that they would possibly look to take Kalil to setup in-front of Bradford and have Lloyd as the No.1 WR.

This is a huge IF but could Luck fall to No.3? I mean, it's not implausible. Colts could stick with Manning and the Rams Bradford (assuming neither trade away) and then leave him for Minnesota.

 

[newc868]

@George Steele's Barber You seriously can say Megatron is one of the best ever? Over, say, Jerry Rice,Randy Moss and Cris Carter etc.

One of the best. Not the best. Jerry Rice is surely the best of all time.