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NFL Thread - 2009-10

How many games will the Lions win this year.

  • Winless (0-16, again)

  • 1-4wins

  • 5-8 wins

  • 9-11 wins

  • 12-15 wins

  • Undefeated (16-0)


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Talently is McNabb top 5? Maybe, and that's a big maybe, but for argument's sake, I'll grant him that.

But the problem with McNabb is that he only performs well when he feels like it. Look at last year, for example. He didn't start playing well until his ass got benched. All before then he played like shit and cried every week about being on that team.

If the guy wasn't such a baby, and had the heart and toughness of say Bret Favre, hell... he quite possibly could be as good as Brady and Manning. But his attitude and the pussy between his legs keeps him from being so.

He had two bad games, on the road vs the AFC, and he's historically struggled against the AFC. I'm not sure where this lack of motivation issue is coming from, or him complaining at all last season.

The two games (Cincy and Baltimore) in question, McNabb actually only had a net score of -3 while he was in there.

Brett's toughness is great, too bad he chokes at anything even resembling a clutch situation. When's the last time he was above average for more than one season? More than a decade ago.

McNabb is easily a top 5 QB when you look at winning, ability to create, and statistics.
 
The Detroit Lions are coming off of a season of notorious imperfection. And you figure that they can't go any lower. They will win a game this season with the "building blocks" that they've signed for this season, but they won't make the playoffs. That's a guarantee. So my question to you is: How many games will the Detroit pussycats win this year?
 
I think it depends on who the starting quarterback will be. In my opinion & this is my opinion, but I think that if they are to win a good amount of games this season then I think that Daunte Culpepper should be that guy mainly cause Stafford is definitely not ready to take the job yet & Daunte has somethin' to prove as he's lookin' to turn his career around & hopefully get some teams interested in signin' him for next season if he indeed leaves Detroit (most likely he will).

So with that bein' said, they'll improve from last season either way, but I think they'll improve more with Culpepper behind center mainly cause Stafford is not yet ready for the job & he's more experienced than Stafford. Basically my choice is 5-8 wins.
 
Whoever the quarterback is will have good numbers since Calvin Johnson is such a ridiculous athlete. Calvin is not only tall, but he's fast and that's what you want your wide receivers to be aside from being able to catch the ball. Like you said, Stafford isn't ready yet since he tends to throw interceptions and that was evident during his college career with Georgia and the preseason. He's got a cannon for an arm, though. Culpepper is more mobile than last year and still has a good arm, but he's not able to finish drives. Their glaring weakness is on Defensive Line and losing Jared DeVries to injury and Cory Redding to free agency hurts them. Thus is the reason why they'll win 5-8 games this year.
 
I have them 3-13 or 4-12. They are definitely going in the right direction, but they have tons of question marks still surrounding the roster, their defense was addressed, but with a few stop-gap solutions, off of contending teams (Larry Foote, Julian Peterson). They will bring leadership, but they aren't Pro Bowlers anymore.

Offense looks set for the future, they have a few good WRs, good TE, 1-2 pieces on the O-line, and a good young RB. I'll go 4-12 this year, hopefully building upon that for 2010.
 
If Stafford is their starting quarterback then I only see them winning 3 or 4 games. He makes too many bad decisions and the Lions aren't a good enough team to deal with a lot of turnovers.

If Culpepper is the starter I could see them possibly getting up to 6 or 7 wins. Culpepper is reunited with his old o coordinator in Scott Linehan and he has Randy Moss Jr. in Calvin Johnson at receiver. Kevin Smith is a great young running back and he should be having a break out season.

On defense they have a weak d line and an iffy secondary, but they have one of the best linebacker groups in the NFL. Ernie Sims is a young guy who doesn't get much recognition because of where he plays, but he is a beast. Then they got Julian Peterson as the other outside linebacker and Larry Foote is now patrolling the middle. All three are pro bowl caliber linebackers and they will be a lot of fun to watch this season.

Then of course Detroit has the best kicker in the NFL in Jason Hanson, so if it ever comes down to a game winning field goal you know he'll come through.
 
Ben makes too many mistakes? That's laughable, every year that man has improved his play making and every year he's improved his decision making. He isn't on an offense built to pass a lot nor is the offense built for him to throw 30 touchdowns every year. The man is a winner, has all the intangibles, he's an excellent athlete, and has improved greatly every year.

So my list goes like this.

Peyton Manning - The man is his own offensive coordinator and I believe he is one of hte most accurate quarterbacks in the game and there isn't a throw he can't complete.

Tom Brady - He hardly makes bad decisions, and I can't rank him ahead of Peyton because Peyton is much more than a QB. I htink Brady benefited from a system.

Ben Roethlisberger - The man is a winner, he is clutch, and he is just built to play quarterback.

Philip Rivers - The man improves every year, and impressed me the year they played the Pats in the AFC championship game because he almost led that team to victory on one leg while LT cried all game. He always produces at a high level and can win games on his own.

Donovan McNabb - It's hard to argue against his stats. He is a glorified winner, and was never given a true weapon, yet still produces. Hardly makes a bad decision and every year the Eagles are a threat.

Yeah I left off Drew Brees and Kurt I produces once every five years Warner. Sue me...
 
Ben makes too many mistakes? That's laughable, every year that man has improved his play making and every year he's improved his decision making. He isn't on an offense built to pass a lot nor is the offense built for him to throw 30 touchdowns every year. The man is a winner, has all the intangibles, he's an excellent athlete, and has improved greatly every year.

Lol. His career has been more up and down then the fucking stock exchange. First two years he had quarterback ratings of 98.1 and 98.6. Then his third season he throws 23 picks and has a 75.4 rating. Then he has his best season ever in his fourth year with 32 tds and a 104.1 rating. Then last year he goes back to mediocrity with 15 picks and a 80.1 quarterback rating. He had a total of 22 turnovers last year.

Guys like McNabb and Brees have put up better numbers with the same amount of talent around them. And you can bring up the super bowl wins if you want but with the defense and running game he has, it's not like he has to play great for them to win. You know guys like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer have each won a super bowl the same way. Big Ben is definitely better then those guys but I don't see him as a top 5 quarterback.
 
LOL, they give Brees guys like Marques Colston and Lance Moore last year. He plays behind a better offensive line, and has more weapons offensively, and last year Ben played injured and we never had our team at full strength and by the time they reached full strength he started playing better. Holmes only came on at the end of the year, and it was same Ward who is a possession receiver so you get the usual from Hines.

Parker was injured all last year and we had more shuffling than a 60's dance hall on the offensive line. When you need Ben to perform at a high level, he does. In his last 8 games last year he had three games where he didn't throw an interception and last year in the playoffs he performed at a high level when our good defense wasn't there.

Look at the Ben that played in the Super Bowl and that is what he is capable of. He performs at a high level and the man plays behind one of the worst offensive lines in football and plays with the absolute worst offensive coordinator in all of football....

Give me a guy with a career 51 and 20 record and two super bowl rings over a guy whose team never makes the playoffs... Ben performs his best in the playoffs and he showed that last year...

Also you said mediocrity, apparently they won a SB with his mediocrity :rolleyes:
 
Ben not being in the top 5 quarterbacks is crazy. He had a shit season after his Super Bowl win because he played after his motorcycle injury and an appendectomy. He was great last year putting up huge passing numbers when he wasn't know as an offensive machine. You may criticize him because of who he plays with but Brady has had a great defense and running game as well. I'll put Roethlisberger behind Brady and I would say he's either equal with Manning or slightly below him because Peyton hasn't been great in the playoffs including his Super Bowl run.
 
Also you said mediocrity, apparently they won a SB with his mediocrity :rolleyes:

The team won the Super Bowl. Just like the Buccaneers in 2003 and the Ravens in 2001. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that if you put McNabb, Rivers, or Brees on that Pittsburgh team that they still win the Super Bowl. I'm not saying Roethlisberger is a bad quarterback because he is very good, but there is no way he is a top three guy. I'd put him at number 6 personally which is nothing to be ashamed of.
 
Ben not being in the top 5 quarterbacks is crazy.

Why is it crazy? He has always had one of the best defenses in the NFL and up until last season he also had one of the best running games. He arguably has had more help around him then any other quarterback in the NFL since he came into the league. The 2 Super Bowls are impressive but take him away from Pittsburgh and put him anywhere else, and I doubt he would have a ring
 
Why is it crazy? He has always had one of the best defenses in the NFL and up until last season he also had one of the best running games. He arguably has had more help around him then any other quarterback in the NFL since he came into the league. The 2 Super Bowls are impressive but take him away from Pittsburgh and put him anywhere else, and I doubt he would have a ring

I guess Steve Young, Joe Montana, and Troy Aikman aren't as good as they were because they had great running games and defenses. If Pittsburgh was so good, why didn't they win a SB from 1980 to when Ben Roethlisberger got there?
 
Do you mean the 2002 TB Buccaneers who had Brad Johnson, the same Brad Johnson who had 22 Touchdown passes to only 6 interceptions in just 13 starts? He was also 18-34 had two TD's and one interception. That is a good days work.

It took the Steelers 30+ years to win a superbowl because they never had a QB like Bradshaw. They might not put up awesome stats but that doesn't matter, each QB's are winners. In the playoffs Ben never really did anything to lose the games, nor did he really do anything to lose games in the regular season, but he always came up big when needed. Which is why I consider Ben an elite Quarterback. Elite QB's shine when there teams need them the most.
 
I guess Steve Young, Joe Montana, and Troy Aikman aren't as good as they were because they had great running games and defenses. If Pittsburgh was so good, why didn't they win a SB from 1980 to when Ben Roethlisberger got there?

First of all Steve Young, Joe Montana, and Troy Aikman put up far superior numbers then Roethlesberger has. Secondly, when did I say Roethlesberger was bad? I said I'd put him as the sixth best quarterback in the NFL, that's very good. I just don't see why you think it's crazy if someone doesn't put him in the top 5. And the reason Pitt didn't win a Super Bowl from the 80's until recently is because they've never had a complete team like they do now. Roethlisberger is definitely the best qb they've had since Terry Bradshaw and that combined with there great defense and running game is the reason they've won 2 of the last 4 super bowls.
 
Do you mean the 2002 TB Buccaneers who had Brad Johnson, the same Brad Johnson who had 22 Touchdown passes to only 6 interceptions in just 13 starts? He was also 18-34 had two TD's and one interception. That is a good days work.

Yes it is. But that doesn't mean he was ever a top 5 quarterback in the league. My point was that the Buccaneers were able to win without an elite quarterback. It's a lot easier to play the position when you have a great defense and running game then it is when you know the teams hopes rest solely on your shoulders.

It took the Steelers 30+ years to win a superbowl because they never had a QB like Bradshaw. They might not put up awesome stats but that doesn't matter, each QB's are winners. In the playoffs Ben never really did anything to lose the games, nor did he really do anything to lose games in the regular season, but he always came up big when needed. Which is why I consider Ben an elite Quarterback. Elite QB's shine when there teams need them the most.

I never said Ben wasn't great. I just don't see him as a top 3 quarterback. Top 5 is debatable, but you guys are acting like he's on Brady and Manning's level when he isn't.
 
First of all Steve Young, Joe Montana, and Troy Aikman put up far superior numbers then Roethlesberger has. Secondly, when did I say Roethlesberger was bad? I said I'd put him as the sixth best quarterback in the NFL, that's very good. I just don't see why you think it's crazy if someone doesn't put him in the top 5. And the reason Pitt didn't win a Super Bowl from the 80's until recently is because they've never had a complete team like they do now. Roethlisberger is definitely the best qb they've had since Terry Bradshaw and that combined with there great defense and running game is the reason they've won 2 of the last 4 super bowls.
What running game did we have last year? They had the 23 ranked rushing attack in all of football. That is not very good. Ben put them on his shoulders against the Ravens in the playoffs, the Chargers, and the Cardinals in the Superbowl.

People always talk about how good there rushing attack is/was but that is something they lacked yet won a superbowl. Then people criticize Ben for not being some awesome producer, yet when there defense buckles in the biggest game of the year he carries them 80+ yards in 2 minutes and 37 seconds, and completed a pass that only a good to elite QB would make. There defense gave up 2 scores in a matter of minutes. Yet Ben didn't buckle like most mediocre QB's would. Elitism baby.

So tell me, where was there rushing attack last year? It sure wasn't producing.
 
What running game did we have last year? They had the 23 ranked rushing attack in all of football. That is not very good. Ben put them on his shoulders against the Ravens in the playoffs, the Chargers, and the Cardinals in the Superbowl.

People always talk about how good there rushing attack is/was but that is something they lacked yet won a superbowl. Then people criticize Ben for not being some awesome producer, yet when there defense buckles in the biggest game of the year he carries them 80+ yards in 2 minutes and 37 seconds, and completed a pass that only a good to elite QB would make. There defense gave up 2 scores in a matter of minutes. Yet Ben didn't buckle like most mediocre QB's would. Elitism baby.

So tell me, where was there rushing attack last year? It sure wasn't producing.

Ok I'm glad they didn't have a running game for the first time in his career. And you saw what happened to his numbers. Yes he played very good in the playoff but it's not like he carried the team on his back.

Against the Chargers the running game gave them the win. Willie Parker had 27 rushes for 146 yards and 2 touchdowns. Against the Ravens the defense was the main reason they won, holding Baltimore to 14 points and forcing 4 turnovers. Then in the Super Bowl Ben did lead that great drive at the end and overall he had a great game. However, if it wasn't for James Harrison's pick 6 none of that would have mattered. His Super Bowl performance was great but he had to make up for the horrible performance he had in his first Super Bowl.
 
The numbers plummeted because of his offensive line. When you get two seconds to throw the ball there isn't much you can do. It's Ben' ability to extend the play is what makes him so productive. Against San Diego he went 17 of 26 which is like 65 percent. Against Baltimore he played extremely well, even though he was under pressure all game. Extended several plays and just so you know, Willie only averaged two yards per carry that game.

Then you want to bring up his first superbowl performance? Look at the three games leading to that... Exceptional, 23 year old QB going into three hostile environments and winning games. Also against Denver that year he had 3 scores, two passing, one running and had a lot of passing yards that game.

Honestly, have you ever seen there offensive line? You put Brees, Manning, Or Brady under there and they don't get close to there seasonal averages.
 
As everyone else said, it depends on the QB situation. Culpepper starting gives them the best chances for this season, but not for next season and beyond. Stafford starting sets them up for the future, and since they won't make the playoffs under either guy, it's best to let him learn under fire.

Considering Chicago and Green Bay both figure to be better, and Minnesota is a toss-up, considering the aged cheese at QB, and the tough schedule, Detroit will have to rely on out-of-division wins to climb up over 3 or 4.

My prediction: 3-13 w/ Stafford or 5-11 w/ Culpepper
 
1. Peyton Manning

It's really a toss-up, but I give it to Manning because he runs his offense. He could step in to New England's offense, and be successful, but Brady could not step into Indy and win 12 games right away. He can make any pass, hit any receiver, and beat any defense.

2. Tom Brady

I hate him, but I hate him because he's good. He's also a pompous ass, but that has no effect on his playing ability :lmao: Like Manning, he can make any pass, and read any defense. He's been helped a lot lately with talented receivers, but they're also getting a big boost from #12 throwing to them.

3. Drew Brees

He's a close second to Manning and Brady's 1a and 1b. He can throw almost any deep ball better than them, and has been blessed with talented receivers. Unlike the other 2, he also has the help of a running game, with or without Bush. If he was on a team with a better defense, the Saints could be perennial Super Bowl contenders.

4. Chad Pennington

He may not be able to launch the deep ball anymore, but he's still one of the most efficient passers in the game. Like it or not, that wins games. He's done it over his entire career without any big names receivers. Please don't try and say Coles is a "big name". He's average, at best. Pennington's only weakness is his inability to stay healthy. If he would've stayed healthier longer, Favre never would have been a Jet.

5. Jeff Garcia

No one in the NFL runs a West Coast Offense more effectively than he does, and few can make the plays that he does. He wins games, and makes the playoffs, and that's all he's paid to do. The fact he's ever been a back-up is pure BS.
 
Today, Roger Goodell lessened Michael Vick's suspension from week 6 to week 3, thus Vick only missing 2 games. I think Roger Goodell did a great thing as Vick has learned his lesson and deserves to play in the NFL. Now that the suspension is lower he probably will be placed on 53 man roster and not exempt list thus allowing him to practice.

Your thoughts?
 
Great news, bough tickets to that game back in July.

The suspension is about right. One hand he lied to Goodell and was never punished by the NFL and on the other hand if he screws up again he'll be gone for good.

Fair ruling, and I'm definitely excited to see his first game.
 
Well, in the Bears' final preseason game, the Bears' backup Running Back Kevin Jones tore a ligament in his left ankle. Now this means that A) Matt Forte will most likely be receiving more playing time at RB than he did last year, or B) Garrett Wolfe and Adrian Peterson will be expected to step up when Forte is resting on the sideline, and make plays.

Other than the injury to a Jones, the Bears had a pretty good preseason, only losing their first game, when third string quarterback Brett Basanez gave up 14 points on two interceptions. The first team on both offense and defense looked solid. Most of you may think, "oh it is only preseason, so it doesn't matter." The Bears first team offense looked very good against both the Giants, and Broncos. The Giants have a good defense, so scoring 17 in the first half against them was impressive, and even though it took a while, Cutler settled in in Denver and delivered some strong drives.

The defense on the other hand, looked very strong, despite missing two key players from the secondary in Danieal Manning and Zach Bowman. They held the Giants to only 3 points, and Denver 3 (backups gave up the touchdowns to make it 27-17 for the final). Plus Hester will be back on Special Teams, and actually have time as a receiver under his belt, and not learning the position like he was last year. The Bears have had one of the better ST groups in the league the past few years, so that never hurts either.

With everyone picking either the Vikings or Packers, I think the Bears have a good chance to go under the radar and perhaps "surprise" people, either gaining the division or wild card. I know, "the Packers or Vikings will win, so give it up David" It is a winnable division, and from what I have seen I think the Bears can do it.
 
I personally am picking the Vikings to win the division. But, I would not be shocked if I see Chicago heading to the playoffs for the first time since reaching the Super Bowl. I however believe that the Bears needed to get a receiver this offseason like a Terrell Owens and they didnt do it. Maybe make another trade with the Broncos again for Marshall (just kidding). I think the Bears record is 9-7.
 
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