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*Merged* The Miz Is The New WWE Champion.

I must admit, I was marking out for this. Orton's reign was a lot shorter than I actually anticipated as I suspected that after beating Barrett, he would hold the championship until a battle with John Cena at WrestleMania but instead, he lost it to the Miz. I've never claimed to be his biggest fan, nor have I ever said that I hated him, but I did enjoy this and I was legitimately surprised by this twist.

The question now is what does Miz bring to the table as champion? His in-ring skills are still improving, and he's had some good matches with some opponents (mainly Bryan). He also has a solid look. He's got a decent attire and he carries himself well but what really sets him apart are the promos. Miz is one of the best in WWE at cutting a promo and many have pegged him as a future Rock in that respect. I personally find him to be more Jericho like with his delivery and promos, but either is fine. These skills are what will set him apart as champion of Raw.

Miz has been rewarded for his hard work and dedication and I see a bright future for him as champion.
 
No. My definition of stumbling on words is saying the wrong thing and then going back to repeat yourself. But you motivated me to go back and watch the promo again, from start to finish. Thanks for that because now I know that the Miz didn't stumble on ONE word throughout the entire promo that lasted 4:50 and was one, continuous camera shot from the locker room area to the ring.

Clearly you're as good at paying attention to the promo then as you are at debating.


You're not much of a debater, either.

About on par as you are a wrestler, I'd bet.


You said none of his promos were good so I posted a 5 minute, flawless, powerful shoot promo that has been considered one of the best of the year by JR, Mark Madden, many readers of this forum, and John Cena (who tweeted about it afterwards). Enough proof for you?

See? You just make up things and claim the other person said it and then use that in your argument when I never ONCE claimed none of the Miz's promos were any good. You're full of shit now. And I've already said, from the very beginning, that the Miz was good on the mic. So you reiterating that as if I hadn't already said it myself makes no sense at all.


Where's your proof? No, seriously. PROVE this. You can't, right? Because it's basically obvious, based on the Rock's popularity, and he was a major draw from the WWE. He headlined Wrestlemanias and other PPV events and was most likely the main babyface draw for them. But you know who else draws? The heels that those guys face. The heels that challenge the champions for their titles. The men who help to change divisions like the tag division (i.e. ShowMiz). So I'd say he was a decent draw, especially since he held the US Title for 321 days, tag championships for 77 days, and won the MITB ladder match all from 2009-2010.

(See? That's what PROOF looks like.)

No, actually, all you need to do is research the numbers and you'll find out that to be true about the Rock. I'm not going to waste my time searching the internet for those numbers to post on a wrestling forum, I don't choose to waste my time like that. We're debating over the internet about fake wrestling for God's sake. If you look at the numbers Rock is a huge draw, but, as I asked you to prove in the very first reply I made, you STILL haven't shown any facts that the Miz is any kind of a draw. Why is that? Because he's not and you know it, hence why you keep dodging around it and not showing any proof, and then you expect me to prove common knowledge about the Rock. And YOU won the debaters league? It must've been because you run it.


HAHAHAAHAH Hello, walking contradiction! You're such a hypocrite. I don't need to say anything further. /debate

Yes, we're both hypocrits. I can live with that.


I said that?? Where?? All I said was that the Miz is (arguably) the best in the WWE right now. So it looks like you're the one spewing bullshit.

Oh, now you're adding in (arguably)?



Actually, it's because you're ignorant and getting your ass spanked in this debate. I can go all day.

Yeah, you claim that as a fact the same way you claim all your OPINIONS as FACTS.


I'm not a "Miz mark." I'm a fan of his. I don't worship him or praise him just because I like him. I'm impressed by him because I'm a fan that's been watching for 25 years, attending wrestling school, and wrestled in matches and for local promotions. But I doubt you'd believe it, nor do I give a shit if you do.

No, you're a Miz mark. And thousands of nobodies do all of those things just like you, that doesn't mean they know the first thing about wrestling. Hence why 90% of them don't get anywhere beyond local promotions doing nothing for nothing. Good luck with that!


People said the same stuff about Sheamus, Triple H, Edge, Randy Orton... but it doesn't mean they're right.

Not for the same reasons, no. Miz is a little shrimpy guy who even wrestlers themselves (such as Kevin Nash) don't take seriously as WWE Champion. That's not the same about any of the others you mentioned, nor has it ever been.


Nor do you have any facts to disprove me. You just keep vomiting opinion-based bullshit and shut down my arguments because I don't have flowcharts that break down all of his attributes. Your statements are just as hollow as some of mine except my attempts for proof are in a language that other readers can relate too. All you've done is clicked your button of repeat in saying how "mediocre" and "undeserving" the Miz is in this situation and that you know best. But you have nothing to back up your claims except for empty opinions and bullshit arguments that are taking you nowhere.

No, I shut down your arguments because you keep using opinion-based bullshit as fact and then claiming I can't do the exact same. That's my point and you still can't seem to grasp it, continuing to use opinion-based facts as real facts even now. And once again I never claimed the Miz was mediocre, I even refuted that in my last post and you still try to place that on me for your own arguments sake. When you start blatantly making stuff up then you've lost the debate, if you can even call this a debate (which I never did).


Not true. Read the Debate League which I run and won last year. Facts are a big part of this forum.

I'd rather not, thanks.


Enjoy your infraction for flaming.

It truly hurts me. I care so much about this wrestling forum, after all.


I'm done with this subject. It's pointless to argue with someone as irrational as you. Feel free to post again. You won't get another reply from me.

Duly noted!
 
This was one of my highlights off the raw show (just before Cena leaving) because it was unexpected and I did not think it would happen because I thought it would happen at the Royal Rumble so Miz was the champion going into wrestlemaina to face John Cena but any way, this is great and to show how far he has come from to getting told he was useless and getting kicked out of the WWE locker room for six months and getting hazed by JBL to winning the tag team titles then to winning the U.S title and now winning the WWE championship is just a great achievement .
 
I don't post here often, but I marked the fuck out watching Miz win the title, and moreover, as a smark, I loved the psychology and plot of it; I really though Miz would be the first failed MITB cash-in. This double-backwards pseudo-twist swerve ending to Raw was really well executed.

Here's hoping this works out for the Miz. I think it will, he seems to have a ton of potential, though it may be limited by factors outside of his control. 'The look.' Ugh, I'd hate that criticism if it didn't make so much sense. Much as I'd like to dismiss Kevin Nash's comments as the ravings of a once-pretty good, now just bitter retiree, he's dead on. Miz just kind of doesn't look believable with the title. He's gonna have to earn his credibility in another way. Hopefully, they'll make him one of those elusive 'fierce' heels, which seemed to be the direction his character was heading a few months ago, before he got saddled with A-Rye's dead weight. Riley has promise, but what they're doing with him isn't helpful to himself (vaguely reminds me of Legacy), and detrimental to the Miz. Miz's entire character can be summed up as, "This is all me. I fucking crawled up here from the bottom, escaped unscathed from Reality TV, and overcame every bitchass hater who tried to stop me. This is my fucking time, now get the shit out of my way." That character does not a lackey need.

D-Man and Mister Rob,

I believe I have some insight on your arguments. As it happens, I was a high school and collegiate debater until I graduated two years ago. I now coach debate at the high school level, and judge at the highest, national level. If I may, I have a few comments.

-D-Man, I've read some of your debates in the past (I'm a lurker), and you're much, much better than this. You seem to have forgotten what debate actually is. You are both only arguing opinion, and any evidence you cite can easily be dismissed by the other party for a host of reasons, as it has been here. Clinging to your own, mostly irrelevant, evidence like a badge of honor does not fly, and neither does not bothering to answer legitimate comments with dismissive requests for evidence that does not have to be provided. Remember, one must argue the merit of an argument, not its validity. Think about the difference between evidence and proof. Furthermore, you've committed numerous logical fallacies in your arguments (straw man, ad hominem, numerous non sequitars, etc.) which I hope you can find for yourself. Were I judging your argument in a formal competition, you would be doing abysmally. Of course, this format is entirely different and the comparison is unfair, but I'm just saying. Also, did you seriously give that guy an infraction for calling you an arrogant prick after you were a massive prick throughout your argument? Seriously, reread what you wrote, you were dismissive, abrasive, and condescending. All of that flies in debate, but you're honestly gonna punish the guy for retorting? Really? Really? Reeeally!?

-That Miz promo was gold. So was the CM Punk promo, but the circumstances around the Punk promo just made so little sense to a smark. What the fuck are Rey's kids doing in the ring? You KNOW what's gonna happen, it feels so very, very contrived. Still, Punk was fucking aces.

-Crowd reaction was uncertain for Kane because he was just involved in the match, on Rey's side; the smarks recognized what was coming, the majority of the crowd did not. That's why reaction was delayed, they did pop pretty hard afterwards. Miz definitely got a better pop than Swagger, despite Swagger having cashed it in on a serious heel, which is a pretty big deal and a good sign.

-As good as the Miz is, he falls so far short of the Rock it is stupid. Rock had it all. The best on the mic, hands down, in history. Excelled in the ring, and could sell better than just about anyone. He drew like gangbusters; everyone gave a shit about whatever he was involved in. You say nobody gets a reaction facing R-Truth? The Rock fucking would. Maybe someday the Miz might be in the ballpark with the Rock, but I don't really see it.

-Is it pretty much a given that the main event at TLC will be triple-threat TLC with Wade Barrett and Randy Orton as the challengers? I know! John Cena special guest referee. He totally hasn't done that enough. In any case, we all know Miz will retain, but goddamn it, I hope they make him look strong. Clean pin of Wade Barrett after something dusty takes Orton out would work.

-Miz needs a signature feud. Like Rock or Austin v Trips, or Cena v Edge, or Mankind v Taker. I don't see it happening with Orton; their characters are too similar. The only way it could be done is if Miz goes down your standard cowardly heel path, but I hope they have bigger, better plans for him than that. I'd go with CM Punk. Punk v Miz, the long-term rivalry, would be the tits.
 
I have to say I marked out when Miz cashed in and won. For some reason I thought he would be the first one to cash in and lose, just to give him something new to talk about, however this is truly in the words of the Miz .... AWESOME!

I honestly feel the Miz deserves this championship. Since day 1 in the WWE he has been a workhorse almost as much as Cena. If he was a face, he'd be the poster boy of the WWE along with Cena in my eyes. He's busted his ass to get to the top, truly starting all the way out on Tough Enough I believe. I've watched him since he started on the Real World and I knew one day he would make it big. Congratulations to him for sure, he's earned it.
 
lol reading how intense people are getting in this topic I only have one thing to say... WWE is a SHOW guys. Just because you don't like the Miz don't come on here and say he shouldn't be champ. Be thankful we are about to see something new on Raw instead of the old John Cena/Randy Orton holding the title. I got over that about the 4th time Cena won it.

At the end of the day, you need to switch your storylines up to keep everyone interested, and making the Miz win the Championship has done exactly what it needed to - Create Drama and draw interest back into Raw! Just look at the amount of reactions already from Miz winning, so it must be working!

Anyhow, its all entertainment, theres no point coming on here and getting angry while trying to prove your points as to why this or that shouldn't have happened. WWE creative don't care, they have already gotten the reactions outta people that they wanted from this angle.

Well my main point here is... Sit back, watch the show, and enjoy it!!! Just because Cena isn't the head of Raw anymore doesn't it's the end of the world. It's time for some new superstar's to step up and take control.
 
WWE needed something new with Cena leaving. We have seen Orton and the Nexus so there really wasn't any alternative to the Miz winning. Miz has already been a tag team champion and US champion, and he won the MITB. Maybe he could have been in the KOTR tournament, but there had to be someone to step up and take's Cena place. Orton is the top face and Miz is the top heel. I'm not the a huge fan either, but I do give kudos to the Miz for sticking it out all these years.

I don't think anyone has ever believed in the Miz since day one. I never thought that a reality star hosting a divas show on Smackdown would ever be WWE champion or even have a job. I didn't even think that last summer when he was losing 2 minute matches to John Cena that he would still be in WWE or even champion to this day. I have to give the guy credit. With Cena, Triple H, HBK, Undertaker, and Jericho gone there are no huge name stars on Raw anymore. Orton is really the only top star and his championship reign was less then successful.

This was the best decision at the time being. Maybe it will be great in the long run or it will be poor, either way at least WWE showed me they have the balls to pull the trigger when they needed to. I would have preferred to see the Miz win KOTR and cash in his MITB case at a PPV. It was shocking to see it happen on Raw. The Miz beat Orton cleanly even though he wasn't 100 percent. If the Miz can continue to get the casual fans behind him I think he will be successful.
 
Well, while all of those things are entirely true about Nash, his point was that the Miz isn't a believable champion. And Nash is entirely right. The Miz looks like a guy out of college who couldn't beat a single person in that ring. He doesn't have the size, doesn't have the look, doesn't have the in ring ability, so Nash is spot on with what he tweeted. Whether people like it or not, and irregardless of what people think of Nash's past history in the business. You certainly couldn't say Nash wasn't a believable champion, at least.

I think Roddy Piper's promo from the previous RAW cut against Wade Barrett being champion should've been cut about the Miz.

So he's not a credible champion because he doesn't fit what Nash's idea of a champion should look like? I don't buy that for a second. What about guys like AJ Styles or Jeff Hardy? Neither of those guys exactly have "the look" that you're referring to and Jeff Hardy isn't exactly the greatest in-ring worker in the world either. The days of the "big man" are coming to a close. Wrestling is changing in ways that you're simply going to have to be more than just a big, indimidating looking person in order to get over. Ezekiel Jackson & Rob Terry look like living breathing comic book characters but the audience is so quiet that you can hear a pin drop when they come out. On top of that, they're not exactly dynamos inside the ring. They might've been huge stars in 1995 but this isn't 1995. When it comes to deciding who should be champion and how it should go down, I take anything Kevin Nash says with a grain of salt quite frankly.

Whenever the WWE puts the title on someone, there's always a huge backlash no matter what. They did it with Sheamus, they're doing it with Miz and they'd have done it with Wade Barrett if he'd won the title. I'm not going to try and change your mind because we both know that I'm not going to change yours and you're not going to change mine. It's a pointless waste of energy. I will say, however, that I'm going to give The Miz a chance as champion before crucifying him.
 
To MisterRob....do you not realize that D-Man posting examples of thing he is giving his opinion on IS IN FACT showing proof...if you actually watch the videos and look up the facts that D-Man has stated in your little disagreement..then you would see the proof you have asked for...At the same time...I have read through this ENTIRE thread and I have yet to see you post any kind of PROOF to discredit D-Man...and I'm sure anyone would agree that until you show PROOF...you are only giving your OPINION.
 
I don't make many posts on the wrestling forums though I do follow them, being a somewhat casual fan. But I can't help but notice how much "in-ring ability" has been mentioned in relation to the ascension of the Miz. Whether the Miz has this or not I will not offer an opinion but what I will ask is when has "in-ring ability" ever mattered when deeming someone championship worthy?
Looking at a list of WWE champions you won't see a consistent list of ring generals.
The most successful champions are regarded as such because of the reaction they illicit from the live crowd. This isn't always done by having tremendous technical pro-wrestling matches. It's also character, charisma, confidence and any extra attribute utilized to draw pops and/or heat from the audience. It seems like this "in-ring ability" is low on the list of important ingredients for a credible champion. If in-ring ability was of such importance Jack Swagger would still be in the championship picture.
 
If only I could have the detractors arguments summarized for me.

Are people citing lack of in ring skills? After a MOTY canidate about 4 months ago? Rubbish. Especially after slogging through a bunch of Waye Barreh Vs Orton matches that felt like a fucking chore more than entertainment. Sure the Miz needs to be put with the right guy to put on truly good matches, but who doesnt, outside of Trips, Cena, Punk and Jericho?

People hate the Miz, he is one of the best on the mic, and perfectly capable of putting on good matches. I dont see the problem.
 
I don't know what to be more excited about more right now, the fact that Randy Orton is no longer the wwe champion or for the fact the miz took the belt off his boring ass. I give the miz his mother fucking respect because this took over a year for him to get in this spot. He didn't get the sheamus rapid push and shoved down peoples throats. This starts like i said well over a year ago. This man knows exactly what he is good at and he does it to his fullest. Now im not a band wagon jumper I have been a fan of this guy and always liked this guy more the Morrison as well. I cant wait to see what the future holds for him. I hope this goes better then swaggers and do something for the miz.

I don't expect this to be a long title run but I hope this is just one run for many more to come. Lets hope they start putting him in some matches with main event wrestlers and start booking him right.
 
To be honest, I did not expect it to happen. I didn't put the pieces together for all that to happen. But I MTFO cuz I love Miz. Also, I think that Miz will get a long, long title reign considering Vince is so high on him (next john cena). So, I was running around my living room cuz i'm an idiot when I heard "AWWWWEEESOMMMMME" Well, that left me satisfied, thats what she said.
 
i watched the ref count to three over 6 times...needless to say im very very happy.
while its true that miz didn't deserve the belt AS MUCH as some others did, i still think he has earned it in some form. he's come from being an absolute joke and a reality show reject to being the WWE champion. he had to go through ridicule from the fans and co-workers, hazing, and being kicked out of the locker room for 6 months. he's a hard and dedicated worker and im ecstatic for next week to hear his promo as the WWE CHAMPION
suck it ignorant haters
 
Thoughts? This was a great episode of Raw culminated by a nice surprise. I like the fact that Miz and Orton had a nice 4 minute match before Orton secumbed to the knee injury. He was vulnerable, but he wasn't the champion that was totally destroyed as usual. It gives Miz instant credibility in defeating a 7 time champion, and protects Orton at the same time.

I think they'll move on to TLC, with Orton continuing to sell the knee "injury." Again, it will give miz the opportunity to defeat Orton, possibly in a chair match, giving him more credibility by beating Orton again, and still allowing Orton to remain strong in defeat.

Miz should make for a nice short term champion. He's not going to hold it through Wrestlemania, so I see no real concern there. Miz is a main event level entertainer thats improving steadily as a wrestler. I think this was the right time to pull the trigger on him cashing in. My only concern is they'll do the same thing they did with Edge during his first title range and have him drop the title right back to Orton.
 
so which is the top belt in raw right now?? dragon and his US title (future great matches with regal as teacher vs student, vs punk in an indy style program, vs tyson kidd incorporate the HBK-Hart fued tyson not a family by blood but a student just like dragon this is gauranteed to get a "this is awesome chant", heck if orton wants a fresh opponent, have a viper vs dragon match (dragon as heel teaming up with punk)

with the miz as wwe champ, this is a 50/50 call, the only problem i have with this is that all his challengers are gonna be bigger than him so is wwe willing to make miz strong agianst orton and cena (there are the only 2 faces right now going for the title, heck with cena gone & doing his thing its only randy thats face). and thats another problem too many heels on raw not enough face so it looks like miz's only opponent is orton which is not good (slow and stop- start wrestling match)..

even tho im not a fan of the miz, give miz time and see if he can handle being the top guy on raw
 
My reaction to it is simple... AWWWWWESOME!! And I can see why they did it to. If WWE is going to do what I'm guessing, then John Morrison will win the KOTR and go on to feud with the Miz for a few months until the Royal Rumble. With Cena gone and R-Truth hinting a heel turn, Morrison's the only candidate suitable to carry the Raw Face team on his back.

With that said, Miz and Morrison can put on some great matches and for Miz to go over Morrison when the WWE title is on the line will help people realize that Morrison is the Jennetty while Miz is the Shawn Micheals.

At the same time, this keeps Orton and Cena off TV with Orton being "injured" and Cena being "fired" so in a way it's a very interesting time for the Miz. Wins over Morrison will prove he's a successful champion and to help things out, they could probably even have Miz end Ezekiel's recent undefeated streak.

If that's not gonna happen, then maybe a face Jericho can make a small return or maybe Miz can go face and rival Nexus for a bit. Either way, I hope he gets a solid two months and can have a decent position at WrestleMania... Who knows, maybe he'll walk into Mania as the champion. It's a long shot, but still a possibility.
 
We all got the right idea, him cashing at MITB, but the wrong day. Oh well before raw you never would have expected the cash in to come on raw, and thats the beautiful thing about it. That raw, a lot of great unexpected things happened, THAT is what made the show great and so THAT is what it needs to stay great, simples?
 
Thoughts? This was a great episode of Raw culminated by a nice surprise. I like the fact that Miz and Orton had a nice 4 minute match before Orton secumbed to the knee injury. He was vulnerable, but he wasn't the champion that was totally destroyed as usual. It gives Miz instant credibility in defeating a 7 time champion, and protects Orton at the same time.

I think they'll move on to TLC, with Orton continuing to sell the knee "injury." Again, it will give miz the opportunity to defeat Orton, possibly in a chair match, giving him more credibility by beating Orton again, and still allowing Orton to remain strong in defeat.

Miz should make for a nice short term champion. He's not going to hold it through Wrestlemania, so I see no real concern there. Miz is a main event level entertainer thats improving steadily as a wrestler. I think this was the right time to pull the trigger on him cashing in. My only concern is they'll do the same thing they did with Edge during his first title range and have him drop the title right back to Orton.

Which most of us would be fine with. Listen, Orton is the top dog remaining on RAW, with Miz coming up, HHH Coming back, and Cena coming back. If Cena and Nexus go into a feud for a few more weeks, and Orton retains his title, it'd make perfect sense. Barrett, After waiting a few weeks and most likely bitching about Cena's interference, demands a rematch. So does Miz.
WM 27-
Orton Vs Barrett Vs Miz

Then, the week before WM 27 on Raw, Cena gets his job back.

WM 27-

Orton Vs Barrett Vs Miz Vs Cena

I would have the match play out-
Cena and Orton destroy the other two, before going at it. Doesn't matter whom wins, as they're both legends in their own right.
 
im not the biggest miz fan by any stretch of the imagination. I think his character is pretty stale. there just isnt enough depth to it for me to give a fuk and couple that with his average ringwork. But like it or not hes now the champ. For me it all depends how hes booked now. Hes gonna need the right opponents to carry him through his first few defenses, if he gets that far. Lets wait n see how its booked.
 
I'm pretty happy. I like the miz and think he could be good to spice up the main event. I do expect him to lose the belt at the rumble or chamber. Hopefully he cuts an amazing promo on the next raw. I can't imagine him as champion. I hope to see him face randy at tlc. By no means though am i automatically assuming he will be great but at least give him a chance to see where he goes.
 
I went insane when Miz's music hit this Monday on Raw after the Orton/Barrett match. I seriously believed Orton was in the clear after he received help from Cena to win the match. Like all of the other MITB cash-ins, this one shocked the hell out of me(with the exception of RVD, because we all knew that was coming). I'll admit, there was a time where The Miz annoyed me a lot, and I would always applaud JBL as he bashed him during Smackdown commentary. But The Miz started to grow on me last year. He's improved on the wrestling side of things, but he still has some work to do when it comes in ring stuff, but he has come a long way in a short amount of time. I just hope Miz can have a better MITB Championship run than Jack Swagger.
 
Apart from being an obvious Jericho fan, Miz is possibly my 2nd favourite superstar. I went absolutely crazy when his music hit, I jumped up & down to be precise. But then I was like, Shit, he's gonna lose :(

Once Randy was poised for that RKO, I was all given up, but once I saw him reverse it, I shouted YEAH! out loud, really glad that he'd won. He really deserves it, and hopefully he keeps it for a good time.
 
Apart from being an obvious Jericho fan, Miz is possibly my 2nd favourite superstar. I went absolutely crazy when his music hit, I jumped up & down to be precise. But then I was like, Shit, he's gonna lose :(

Once Randy was poised for that RKO, I was all given up, but once I saw him reverse it, I shouted YEAH! out loud, really glad that he'd won. He really deserves it, and hopefully he keeps it for a good time.

Won't let me edit this post, so yeah. I am really glad.
Granted, it's The Miz, not the most likely superstar to win the Title, even with MITB in his grasp, but I'm interested to see where it goes.

Some guy created a "The Miz-WWE Champ" fanpage on Facebook, he's creating all these polls to see what people say about Miz, and there's a few Cena **** trying to spam it up, but a lot of people, looking at the page want him to face Orton, but drop the title to Morrison.
 
Lets be honest though, people can't claim Miz isn't ready to hold the strap, then say that he should drop it to JoMo. (Just what some of the comments on said facebook page are saying...) I want to see Miz vs JoMo in a feud for the title as much as the next guy, but when it happens eventually/hopefully, i really hope Miz comes out on top, but thats just my personal opinion. We all know the quality of match they would be able to put on together.

Exciting times really, can't wait to see him cut a new champ promo next week on RAW.
 

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