*Merged* The Miz Is The New WWE Champion.

[Thriller Ant]

This was absolutely incredible. I was expecting him to cash in last night, to be honest, as I thought Barrett would win and then get destroyed by Cena. Everything was set up so perfectly tonight from the anxiety attack earlier in the night, to the Nexus attack, to the main event match itself. Randy sold the injury so perfectly and Miz did very well to exploit it.

There is a lot of potential for where Miz's title reign goes. Orton is going to want the title back, I can guarantee that Barrett isn't done going for it yet, and there is the potential push of someone winning KOTR from Raw.

For now, though, I'm just going to sit back and feel really good for a guy who worked his ass off to get where he is now. You really can't say that he doesn't deserve this. Way to go Miz.

 

[MisterRob]

Don't you understand... when heels cash in their MITB opportunities, the crowd reactions are full of disbelief. Hence the reason why they're not exploding with cheers. The Miz is a heel... plain and simple. He's probably the biggest heel on Raw which is the reason why they gave him the title so early in his career. He is a rare gem in the pro-wrestling world and deserves what was given to him because he was able to make guys like you legitimately hate him.

The crowd reaction during his cash-in means absolute shit. Fact of the matter is that he's a tremendous wrestler, a masterful mic worker, and a big heel draw. There is no heel more suitable to wear the WWE championship and fill the void of John Cena's departure than the Miz. Just because YOU don't like him doesn't mean jack shit. Millions of fans can't be wrong... but you sure can be.

I respect your opinion but I really do think you're out of your mind. Please give me some proof the Miz is a big heel draw. Actually, give me some proof the Miz is ANY kind of draw. Tremendous wrestler? Name me one match that's memorable the Miz has been in, that he wasn't carried by a better wrestler (like Danielson)? Masterful mic worker? The Miz is so highly overrated on the mic its not funny. There's absolutely nothing unique or even overly good about Miz's mic work. It's repetitive and average, people going goo goo over it is ridiculous. And his reaction cashing in was actually less then Jack Swagger's cash in, and it does mean something. 25 people on a wrestling website in love with the Miz doesn't equal him being a big heel draw.

The proof of Miz's success as champion will be at the end of his reign not the beginning, obviously, so we'll see how it goes. I'm not overly optimistic though, and I certainly don't see him as a good champion or a champion that makes me want to tune into RAW and watch. I certainly won't be for the Miz, and I doubt I'm the only one.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

According to a few sites I've surfed, Kevin Nash has said a little something about it on his Twitter account:

"WWE told the world that there shit is a work with the Miz as champ."

So basically, it sounds like Nash doesn't think much of it. I don't think Nash has a legit leg to stand on, however, when you consider some of the garbage he's done. I think that we all remember the infamous Fingerpoke of Doom in which Nash literally laid down to lose the WCW World Heavyweight Championship to Hulk Hogan. Kevin Nash has never helped make younger stars, nor has he ever tried to elevate anyone else so I can see where this might be something of a foreign concept for him.

 

[MisterRob]

According to a few sites I've surfed, Kevin Nash has said a little something about it on his Twitter account:

"WWE told the world that there shit is a work with the Miz as champ."

So basically, it sounds like Nash doesn't think much of it. I don't think Nash has a legit leg to stand on, however, when you consider some of the garbage he's done. I think that we all remember the infamous Fingerpoke of Doom in which Nash literally laid down to lose the WCW World Heavyweight Championship to Hulk Hogan. Kevin Nash has never helped make younger stars, nor has he ever tried to elevate anyone else so I can see where this might be something of a foreign concept for him.

Well, while all of those things are entirely true about Nash, his point was that the Miz isn't a believable champion. And Nash is entirely right. The Miz looks like a guy out of college who couldn't beat a single person in that ring. He doesn't have the size, doesn't have the look, doesn't have the in ring ability, so Nash is spot on with what he tweeted. Whether people like it or not, and irregardless of what people think of Nash's past history in the business. You certainly couldn't say Nash wasn't a believable champion, at least.

I think Roddy Piper's promo from the previous RAW cut against Wade Barrett being champion should've been cut about the Miz.

 

[airvar]

I respect your opinion but I really do think you're out of your mind. Please give me some proof the Miz is a big heel draw. Actually, give me some proof the Miz is ANY kind of draw. Tremendous wrestler? Name me one match that's memorable the Miz has been in, that he wasn't carried by a better wrestler (like Danielson)? Masterful mic worker? The Miz is so highly overrated on the mic its not funny. There's absolutely nothing unique or even overly good about Miz's mic work. It's repetitive and average, people going goo goo over it is ridiculous. And his reaction cashing in was actually less then Jack Swagger's cash in, and it does mean something. 25 people on a wrestling website in love with the Miz doesn't equal him being a big heel draw.

The proof of Miz's success as champion will be at the end of his reign not the beginning, obviously, so we'll see how it goes. I'm not overly optimistic though, and I certainly don't see him as a good champion or a champion that makes me want to tune into RAW and watch. I certainly won't be for the Miz, and I doubt I'm the only one.

The reaction when he cashed in was actually one of the better reaction's I've seen. It may not be best ever, but it was certinaly entertaining. The entire crowd was on it's feet, and when Orton hit the scoop slam they POPPED, and it's not all because Orton is a top face, it's because they all HATED the miz as well.. When he won the looks on the faces in the crowd were priceless. There was a mix of akward silence , and boo's, and I thought it was truly one of the better cash in's.

He has improved tremedously in the ring, and has a difinitive move-set now that people relate too and recognize. He is one of the better mic worker's, and is rewarded so by being given quite a bit of mic time.

Also I will cite his U.S. Title reign as a backround to show he can be an interesting character with the title. The only negatives about his U.S. Championship run was when it wasn't given the on-air time to build proper feuds, and activily defended- That's not the Miz's fault it's creatives for not keeping the giving the U.S. title the air-time it deserves. That type of thing would NEVER happen with the WWE championship, the Champion ALWAYS has a challenger, and when the Miz was in a heated feud for the U.S. Championship (Dainel Bryan, MVP, Champion vs Champion John Morrison, R-Truth, Bret Hart) The feuds were put together, and executed very well.

The one huge blemish on his U.S. Title reign is something that flat out won't happen .. I mean when's the last time the WWE title wasn't defended on a PPV, or the champion didn't have a feud?

 

[D-Man]

I respect your opinion but I really do think you're out of your mind. Please give me some proof the Miz is a big heel draw. Actually, give me some proof the Miz is ANY kind of draw. Tremendous wrestler? Name me one match that's memorable the Miz has been in, that he wasn't carried by a better wrestler (like Danielson)?

That's unfair. I have no doubt in my mind that any match I mention will be followed by you explaining how his opponent carried the match when you don't have a clue as to what constitutes a good match in the first place. He's no Bryan Danielson or HBK but he's been solid in every match he's put on.

Masterful mic worker? The Miz is so highly overrated on the mic its not funny. There's absolutely nothing unique or even overly good about Miz's mic work. It's repetitive and average, people going goo goo over it is ridiculous.

[YT]fKU_k9mcZsc[/YT]

Yup... absolutely overrated and dogshit.

This basically pisses on any promo that has been done yet this year. Yep, better than Cena... better than CM Punk... better than just about everyone.

And his reaction cashing in was actually less then Jack Swagger's cash in, and it does mean something. 25 people on a wrestling website in love with the Miz doesn't equal him being a big heel draw.

Did you actually WATCH the videos I posted? Are you deaf?? Miz's reaction urinated all over Swagger's.

And as for the "25 people" that you mention, I think the numbers are SLIGHTLY higher. But you've barely posted on this forum so you're unaware of the 20 threads that mods like myself have to clean up every week that praise the Miz. You're unaware of the duplicate posts, duplicate topics, Miz signatures, and usernames that incorporate the word "Miz".

Seriously... if you're going to debate with me, please try to use something called proof. It usually helps out an argument a lot.

You're really letting your personal feelings override actual fact here. There's not much more I can argue with someone who's being this stubborn and doesn't wish to back up any of their opinionated claims.

The proof of Miz's success as champion will be at the end of his reign not the beginning, obviously, so we'll see how it goes. I'm not overly optimistic though, and I certainly don't see him as a good champion or a champion that makes me want to tune into RAW and watch. I certainly won't be for the Miz, and I doubt I'm the only one.

I'm sure a few others would agree with you. I never said the entire world liked the Miz. However, the majority is not on your side, as I've already proven.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Oh well I guess it had to happen. I am not looking forward to Miz as champion. Seriously there is this arguement that Miz has improved by leaps and bounds. Okay, good for him. But he is still not good enough to be a WWE champion. He is decent in the ring and above average on the mic. That's probably half the roster I described there. Wasn't Zack Ryder decent in the ring and decent on the mic too? Well why is he future endeavored while Miz is champion? No, there isn't anything that Miz has done to justify him being WWE champion.

As for the moment, I'd have to say that it was pretty good. I wasn't expecting it in the least. Orton was made to look strong even in defeat. The entire focus was on Cena, Barrett and Orton tonight. That's what makes Miz cashing in look even better. I am interested in seeing where WWE go with Miz as champion as it is a pretty crowded main event scene. I expect him to feud with Orton for a while over the title while Cena feuds with Nexus.

 

[MisterRob]

That's unfair. I have no doubt in my mind that any match I mention will be followed by you explaining how his opponent carried the match when you don't have a clue as to what constitutes a good match in the first place. He's no Bryan Danielson or HBK but he's been solid in every match he's put on.

And you do have a clue what constitutes a good match? Please. Your opinions no more qualified in that regard then mine, so stop acting like it is. You look back at past or even present stars and people remember specific matches they've had, and they remember them for their involvement in them, but that doesn't seem the case with the Miz.

Yup... absolutely overrated and dogshit.

This basically pisses on any promo that has been done yet this year. Yep, better than Cena... better than CM Punk... better than just about everyone.

Who said anything about dogshit? Not me. Overrated? Yes. And that example you posted wasn't a "great" promo, it was an average promo where he even tripped over himself a few times during it. CM Punk cuts far better promos and has this year alone. CM Punk's also a better heel then the Miz, although that's my opinion.

Did you actually WATCH the videos I posted? Are you deaf?? Miz's reaction urinated all over Swagger's.

Nope, I watched them. I'm certainly not deaf. Maybe your love for Miz is making you hear things extra loud when he's on the screen, holding his title to little reaction.

And as for the "25 people" that you mention, I think the numbers are SLIGHTLY higher. But you've barely posted on this forum so you're unaware of the 20 threads that mods like myself have to clean up every week that praise the Miz. You're unaware of the duplicate posts, duplicate topics, Miz signatures, and usernames that incorporate the word "Miz".

I don't give two shits about how many people are on a wrestling forum. I'm talking about the Miz as a draw. I'm talking about his reactions when compared to the numbers who attend the shows and watch the PPVs, not a bunch of internet wrestling fans who are such a small minority in the grand scheme of WWE's audience.

Seriously... if you're going to debate with me, please try to use something called proof. It usually helps out an argument a lot.

Are you actually listening to yourself? Where's the proof that Miz is a big time heel draw like you claimed he was and I asked proof of? Where's your proof he's any kind of draw as any kind of champion? You're voicing nothing but opinions based on what you see and what you think and then you're telling me to do the opposite? Pull your head out of your ass, please.

You're really letting your personal feelings override actual fact here. There's not much more I can argue with someone who's being this stubborn and doesn't wish to back up any of their opinionated claims.

No, I actually think that's you. I'm going by the facts. The Miz is praised solely on his mic work, and that's not even as good as past champions. When you take away his mic work his in ring ability is average at best. He's had no highly memorable matches, his best feud was on the C show NXT, and he did absolutely nothing as United States champion. Why should I be excited about him as WWE champion? Why should I want to see him as WWE champion? Because you do? Because your OPINION tells me to? Because you're someone who really knows wrestling while everyone else is just voicing their opinions? Yeah, right. You haven't shown any proof at all besides proof of why YOU enjoy the Miz. That's not proof why he should be WWE champion or why he's even a feasible champion compared to others.

Barrett gets just as much heat as the Miz, is just as good as him in the ring, is just as good as him on the mic, and Barrett is actually physically believable as a champion who can beat people. I don't believe the Miz could beat a single person in wrestling right now. He's as believable as me wrestling and beating those same guys. 'Nuff said.

I'm sure a few others would agree with you. I never said the entire world liked the Miz. However, the majority is not on your side, as I've already proven.

You haven't proven a thing. A small number of the internet wrestling community on Wrestlezone forums is not proof, sorry. Now you've become a mark for yourself.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

That's unfair. I have no doubt in my mind that any match I mention will be followed by you explaining how his opponent carried the match when you don't have a clue as to what constitutes a good match in the first place. He's no Bryan Danielson or HBK but he's been solid in every match he's put on.

A good match is one which gets the crowd involved in the match. Is that the correct definition D-Man?

Well then tell me if Miz can draw a huge reaction from the crowd when he is facing the likes of R-Truth? I don't think so.

Basically Miz has only drawn a great reaction when he is up against the likes of John Cena, the face of the company, Bret Hart, a legend, or Bryan Danielson, a guy whom the casual fans love because Michael Cole hates him. And pretty much everybody hates Michael Cole.

When Miz is up against somebody average like R-Truth he fails to draw a huge reaction. Why is it so if he is as awesome as he claims to be?

[YT]fKU_k9mcZsc[/YT]

Yup... absolutely overrated and dogshit.

This basically pisses on any promo that has been done yet this year. Yep, better than Cena... better than CM Punk... better than just about everyone.

Are you sure? I liked Punk's promo at Rey's daughter's birthday much better than what The Miz did here. Again its your opinion against mine.

Did you actually WATCH the videos I posted? Are you deaf?? Miz's reaction urinated all over Swagger's.



.

Ah this is true. Also true is the fact that this reaction Miz got was a bit better than Kane's when Kane cashed in on Rey. But remember that Swagger was a heel cashing in on a heel. That is bound to generate a small reaction. Rey is a popular face but I would say that Orton is much more popular currently. Shouldn't the credit for this awesome reaction go to Orton? I'm sure any heel would have managed a similar reaction had he cashed in on a super over face like Orton.

 

[harrythem]

Well then tell me if Miz can draw a huge reaction from the crowd when he is facing the likes of R-Truth? I don't think so.

No-one gets good reactions against R-Truth because even the casual fans have sussed out he's just fodder for others to beat. That's not exclusive to The Miz

Basically Miz has only drawn a great reaction when he is up against the likes of John Cena, the face of the company, Bret Hart, a legend, or Bryan Danielson, a guy whom the casual fans love because Michael Cole hates him. And pretty much everybody hates Michael Cole.

I'd say, judging by the amount of crowd signs I've seen at the shows, I'd say a sizable portion of the audience likes The Miz. Saying Miz only gets a reaction against certain people seems to make me think of most of Triple H's matches when he first became a main eventer. There sure was a lot of silence then, which was one of the worries that he might not make it to the main event for keeps. There are many wrestlers who get silence during matches. It's only a select few that manage to keep the crowd going. Hell, even Edge & Kane had silence at Survivor Series (as did Taker and Kane at their two PPV matches this year).

Are you sure? I liked Punk's promo at Rey's daughter's birthday much better than what The Miz did here. Again its your opinion against mine.

That Punk promo was fucking top banana. Miz does cut some good promos though. The put downs against Bret Hart were top draw as well.

Ah this is true. Also true is the fact that this reaction Miz got was a bit better than Kane's when Kane cashed in on Rey. But remember that Swagger was a heel cashing in on a heel. That is bound to generate a small reaction. Rey is a popular face but I would say that Orton is much more popular currently. Shouldn't the credit for this awesome reaction go to Orton? I'm sure any heel would have managed a similar reaction had he cashed in on a super over face like Orton.

Swagger got less reaction because he came out of no-where. Miz has had this built for months now. At least he didn't just cheat and win, there was a bit of a match there. I wouldn't credit Orton with the reaction because, if that was the case, surely people would've cared more during his matches with Barrett at the last two ppv's. They didn't though did they? People buzzed for Miz's win because he's got a connection, good or bad, with the WWE audience. This has made things fresh and, like I said before, Edge was just a jumped up mid-card wrestler when he won the title yet he seems to have made his mark on the main event scene.


And for anyone saying this is a load of shit I draw attention, once again, to the fact that Great Khali was a champion yet WWE was able to keep going. Think it'd be better to at least see a week or two of him as champ before saying it's shit or great. For now I'd say it's an interesting development.

 

[ChaffRKO]

Firstly, I think this is huge! I'm a massive Orton fan but Miz cashing in was the best RAW moment since Nexus trashed the place which has already been mentioned.

Whether people like it or not, MITB is a major plus point for the WWE. Is it traditional? No. However, sports entertainment is a LOT different than when the greats like Bret Hart, Stonecold, HBK, Perfect etc were at the top of their game. Title reigns were different back then and the times have moved on.

MITB provides a reaction. When stars cash it in, it's dramatic and that's what gets people talking about it, as everyone on here is doing.

As for the Miz, he's worked hard, held other titles, is only second to Cena on the mic (up there in the same bracket at Y2J and Punk as well) and his wrestling ability is good. It's certainly a lot better than Cena and yet people are saying Miz isn't good enough!?

The reaction to the Miz winning it was bigger than previous MITB cash in's because he's the sort of superstar that people either love or hate.

On a personal note, I think it's brilliant. I hope he's given a good reign which includes a ME slot of some kind at Mania because I think he's earned it.

 

[MizFit Brocko]

[YT]fKU_k9mcZsc[/YT]

Whilst i agree this promo was amazing and one of the best in a long time, i think Punk's with Rey's daughter was just as good if not better, just my opinion though of course.

I marked the absolute fuck out when i heard his music though. And for a bit there i thought he may actually lose it. Countering the RKO into SCF was AWESOME (Pun intended) and i CANNOT wait for the next ep of RAW.

 

[D-Man]

And you do have a clue what constitutes a good match?

Actually, I do. But I wouldn't expect you to believe some of the things I can put in my resume. Ask around the forum... they'll tell you.

Who said anything about dogshit? Not me. Overrated? Yes. And that example you posted wasn't a "great" promo, it was an average promo where he even tripped over himself a few times during it. CM Punk cuts far better promos and has this year alone. CM Punk's also a better heel then the Miz, although that's my opinion.

He tripped over himself?? Where? The guy cut a seamless promo as a borderline shoot that lasted over five straight minutes in one straight camera cut from the locker room area out to the arena, barely stumbling on any of his words. And that's overrated? You try it sometime.

Nope, I watched them. I'm certainly not deaf. Maybe your love for Miz is making you hear things extra loud when he's on the screen, holding his title to little reaction.

Oh, ok. So we're going to play the game where you ask for something, I give you proof, and you give an opinion and say "No" without backing it up with proof of your own. Yeah, I haven't been to this rodeo before.

I don't give two shits about how many people are on a wrestling forum. I'm talking about the Miz as a draw. I'm talking about his reactions when compared to the numbers who attend the shows and watch the PPVs, not a bunch of internet wrestling fans who are such a small minority in the grand scheme of WWE's audience.

You're right. So the thousands of people that say his "Because I'm the Miz and I'm awesome" catchphrase along with him aren't a part of his draw? I guess the next thing you're going to tell me is that the Rock wasn't a draw, either. Dude, go away.

Are you actually listening to yourself? Where's the proof that Miz is a big time heel draw like you claimed he was and I asked proof of? Where's your proof he's any kind of draw as any kind of champion? You're voicing nothing but opinions based on what you see and what you think and then you're telling me to do the opposite? Pull your head out of your ass, please.

How about you DISprove it. Or prove SOMETHING. Oh, that's right... you can't. At least I posted anything I had to back up my claim. Your bullshit "No, you're wrong" answers do nothing but show your lack of any contribution to this debate.

No, I actually think that's you.

Oh, so now we're on "I know you are but what am I". Yep... I love maturity.

I'm going by the facts.

Where are they?? I'm begging you for some. PLEASEEEE show me some "fact."

The Miz is praised solely on his mic work, and that's not even as good as past champions.

Proof??

Who told you that, your good buddy Arn Anderson? Mark Madden? The tooth fairy?

When you take away his mic work his in ring ability is average at best.

Proof, please?

He's had no highly memorable matches,

Not memorable in your mind, maybe. I remember his great work with Daniel Bryan, MVP, John Morrison, his matches with John Cena, his work when he was tag champ with the Big Show, multiple matches with Kofi Kingston on Raw... should I go on? I'm waiting for you to cite a match... or anything for that matter... to back up your side of this.

and he did absolutely nothing as United States champion.

Except hold it for a total of 321 days between 2009 and 2010.

Why should I be excited about him as WWE champion? Why should I want to see him as WWE champion? Because you do? Because your OPINION tells me to? Because you're someone who really knows wrestling while everyone else is just voicing their opinions? Yeah, right.

I never told you that you should or shouldn't like him. All I did was prove that your claims about him being mediocre in the ring and on the mic were totally wrong. Your opinion is yours and I could give two shits how you FEEL about him. But don't discard his accomplishments and talent just because your opinion of him is bad.

Hell, I personally can't stand John Cena for all of the reasons you listed. But I can't take away the fact that he is a tremendous asset to the WWE and professional wrestling as a form of entertainment.

Barrett gets just as much heat as the Miz, is just as good as him in the ring, is just as good as him on the mic, and Barrett is actually physically believable as a champion who can beat people. I don't believe the Miz could beat a single person in wrestling right now. He's as believable as me wrestling and beating those same guys. 'Nuff said.

More opinions.

I think I've heard enough. You don't like the Miz. Yippy. But if you would take a minute to pull your head out of your ass and give me some VALID reasons why your claims about his lack of skills then maybe I might respect your opinion. As of now, I don't. Not in the slightest.

You haven't proven a thing. A small number of the internet wrestling community on Wrestlezone forums is not proof, sorry. Now you've become a mark for yourself.

Gee, you've got me all figured out. Turn the mirror onto yourself and see if it looks similar. You're a hypocrite with nothing but a leaky mouth. Take your own advice, Jack.

 

[nick p]

I think he holds it till Wrestlemania. This gives them a chance to push a young guy with a title and can have the Undertaker match be the main event without taking time or emphasis away from one of the bigger name guys. I think this was a smart business decision in the long run. The question is will the WWE manage what could possibly be a hit in the short run.

 

[D-Man]

A good match is one which gets the crowd involved in the match. Is that the correct definition D-Man?

There are more factors that this. It's also a match that is believable, shows athleticism, and tells a good story.

Well then tell me if Miz can draw a huge reaction from the crowd when he is facing the likes of R-Truth? I don't think so.

It takes two to tango and R-Truth is the biggest hunk of horseshit on WWE television programming.

Basically Miz has only drawn a great reaction when he is up against the likes of John Cena, the face of the company, Bret Hart, a legend, or Bryan Danielson, a guy whom the casual fans love because Michael Cole hates him. And pretty much everybody hates Michael Cole.

Oh come on now. He gets pops every time he says his catchphrases and whenever his music hits and he walks out from the back with a microphone. There's no denying this.

When Miz is up against somebody average like R-Truth he fails to draw a huge reaction. Why is it so if he is as awesome as he claims to be?

What kind of reaction are you expecting? R-Truth is awful. He generates no reaction aside from singing along with his entrance theme. It's like Sheamus squashing Evan Bourne. do you expect a crowd explosion the likes of HBK vs. Undertaker at Wrestlemania? Let's be fair here.

Are you sure? I liked Punk's promo at Rey's daughter's birthday much better than what The Miz did here. Again its your opinion against mine.

This promo was also fantastic. As a matter of fact, I'd put it right up there with that Miz promo. So what does that tell you? If the Miz has (arguably) the best (or second best) promo of the year, does that make him "average" on the mic? Thanks for proving my point.

Ah this is true. Also true is the fact that this reaction Miz got was a bit better than Kane's when Kane cashed in on Rey. But remember that Swagger was a heel cashing in on a heel. That is bound to generate a small reaction. Rey is a popular face but I would say that Orton is much more popular currently. Shouldn't the credit for this awesome reaction go to Orton? I'm sure any heel would have managed a similar reaction had he cashed in on a super over face like Orton.

It's all about mixed reactions, depending on the situation.

The MITB cash-in is all about surprise and disbelief. You can't judge a superstars stature simply by watching their MITB cash-in video. Miz has done far more to deserve the praise he gets and the title he just won.

Whilst i agree this promo was amazing and one of the best in a long time, i think Punk's with Rey's daughter was just as good if not better, just my opinion though of course.

Once again, fantastic promo by Punk. That's why (ever since Jericho's departure) Punk and Miz are the two best mic workers in the WWE right now.

I marked the absolute fuck out when i heard his music though. And for a bit there i thought he may actually lose it. Countering the RKO into SCF was AWESOME (Pun intended) and i CANNOT wait for the next ep of RAW.

Thank you for proving my points further. And that's a random fan's natural reaction, everyone.

 

[MisterRob]

Actually, I do. But I wouldn't expect you to believe some of the things I can put in my resume. Ask around the forum... they'll tell you.

You're right, I don't. And asking around an internet forum isn't really proof for me, thanks.

He tripped over himself?? Where? The guy cut a seamless promo as a borderline shoot that lasted over five straight minutes in one straight camera cut from the locker room area out to the arena, barely stumbling on any of his words. And that's overrated? You try it sometime.

You just said "barely stumbling on any of his words", meaning he stumbled over some words, which is exactly what I said. Thanks for asking where and then agreeing with what I said in the next breath.

And I'm not a professional wrestler, nor do I claim or try to be.

Oh, ok. So we're going to play the game where you ask for something, I give you proof, and you give an opinion and say "No" without backing it up with proof of your own. Yeah, I haven't been to this rodeo before.

You haven't given me ANY proof! You posted something and said this is why my opinion is so, that's not proof. That's you giving an example to go along with your OPINION. Maybe that works on high schoolers, but it doesn't work on me.

You're right. So the thousands of people that say his "Because I'm the Miz and I'm awesome" catchphrase along with him aren't a part of his draw? I guess the next thing you're going to tell me is that the Rock wasn't a draw, either. Dude, go away.

Then by your example R-Truth must be a huge draw, too. Everyone sings along with his catchphrases and his entrance music. Santino must be a huge draw, too. Nice try. I'm talking about a DRAW, and you haven't proven a thing towards proving Miz is any kind of draw. Just because you're popular and they give you the championship doesn't mean you can actually draw money or draw ratings. You comparing the Miz to the Rock is a joke, as Rock broke attendance records. He's one of the highest draws in wrestling history based on individual numbers.

How about you DISprove it. Or prove SOMETHING. Oh, that's right... you can't. At least I posted anything I had to back up my claim. Your bullshit "No, you're wrong" answers do nothing but show your lack of any contribution to this debate.

You're asking me to disprove OPINION. You're entitled to your opinion, but stop acting like it's FACT. It's not. Once again, you posting a video of Miz cutting a promo and pretending that's prove of him being the best on the mic in the entire company isn't actually fact. That's you posting a video and still voicing your opinion, as dozens of people can watch that promo and disagree with you and have their own opinion that that wasn't the case. CM Punk owns Miz on the mic, and I don't need to post videos as proof, wrestling fans have watched both of them all year.

Who told you that, your good buddy Arn Anderson? Mark Madden? The tooth fairy?

No, that's based off my opinion. But if you're saying the Miz is as good on the mic as past stars like Arn Anderson, Roddy Piper, Jake Roberts, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, and the list goes on.. you're full of shit.

Proof, please?

Go watch every match he's been in, please. Nowhere is his in ring ability anything but above average.

Not memorable in your mind, maybe. I remember his great work with Daniel Bryan, MVP, John Morrison, his matches with John Cena, his work when he was tag champ with the Big Show, multiple matches with Kofi Kingston on Raw... should I go on? I'm waiting for you to cite a match... or anything for that matter... to back up your side of this.

You're clearly a huge Miz mark so your opinion is rather biased when it comes to Miz's past matches and his feuds. I remember absolutely nothing memorable in terms of his matches or his feuds. That's not because I dislike the Miz, because I don't dislike the Miz, I just am not about to overrate his talent.

And I don't need to cite a match, because I'm citing them all. There's not one match that Miz has been in that's memorable to me for Miz's part in the match. Even in Money in the Bank where he WON he was just kind of there and overshadowed by others.

Except hold it for a total of 321 days between 2009 and 2010.

So what? I can name dozens of wrestlers who've held either the Intercontinental or United States championships for rather lengthy reigns. That doesn't mean they DID anything with the championship. Miz barely defended it, he just carried it around with him to prove he was a champion. He didn't do a thing with the title, didn't have any great US title matches, nor even have any great feuds based AROUND the US title. So what's your point?

I never told you that you should or shouldn't like him. All I did was prove that your claims about him being mediocre in the ring and on the mic were totally wrong. Your opinion is yours and I could give two shits how you FEEL about him. But don't discard his accomplishments and talent just because your opinion of him is bad.

I NEVER claimed he was mediocre at all, tool. You're debating and trying to disprove things that weren't even said in the first place. I said he was overrated, that doesn't mean he's mediocre. That means he's not as good as people give him credit for being. He's good on the mic, he's average in the ring, he's certainly a better "character" then some on the roster, but that still doesn't prove he's a draw nor does it prove he's a credible champion. I don't care about behind the scenes stuff, or how loyal or how much effort he puts in outside the ring, that doesn't determine whether the Miz has the talent or is credible in the role of WWE champion. As the TOP guy.

You're entitled to think he is, but I and I'm certainly not alone, don't agree. You can't prove me wrong because there's no facts yet claiming otherwise. The only facts that will prove otherwise is his reign as champion now that's he's been given the ball.

Hell, I personally can't stand John Cena for all of the reasons you listed. But I can't take away the fact that he is a tremendous asset to the WWE and professional wrestling as a form of entertainment.

What's your point? I'm not saying Miz doesn't have talent, or he isn't an asset to the WWE. That still doesn't mean he's a good choice as the champion, which was my point in the beginning.

More opinions.

This is a wrestling forum! Everything is opinion. Everything you've said is your opinion, and you trying to claim otherwise is laughable.

I think I've heard enough. You don't like the Miz. Yippy. But if you would take a minute to pull your head out of your ass and give me some VALID reasons why your claims about his lack of skills then maybe I might respect your opinion. As of now, I don't. Not in the slightest.

I've given lots of valid reasons why I don't think he's a good choice as champion and why I feel he's overrated. Just because you're a Miz mark and you don't agree with them doesn't make them any less valid you arrogant prick. They're just as valid as your OPINIONS on why the Miz is so good.



Gee, you've got me all figured out. Turn the mirror onto yourself and see if it looks similar. You're a hypocrite with nothing but a leaky mouth. Take your own advice, Jack.[/QUOTE]

 

[Dead-Angel]

i think it was to early to give him the title, it would be better to build the storyline with him and the champion and have him the title at wrestlemania that would be the moment people would remember, in fact now i think miz is not even hold a title for long because wwe title change hands every 2-3 months, what they can to with him until he loses the title...

 

[theViper]

you really are a yougin aren'tcha? Its all good. When i say years in the game i'm referring to being a fan of wrestling not a wrestler. As far as me sitting around looking for something to dish on.....i'm assuming this is coming from a person with an EXTREME amount of experience dishing in forums seeing that you're adding pictures of "what I looked like when Miz won" (you took a little time looking for that picture just to try and one up me huh?) and what not. I am allowed to say what I feel and I did. You are allowed to disagree. And you have. Well done grasshopper. Gold star, this is called a conversation/debate. See if you can get extra credit for all this in one of your high school classes tomorrow.
I don't think Miz should have won. My opinion. You think hes AAWWEESOOMEE (the most ridiculous catch phrase of all time)...but hey. thats fine too.
And we'll both go on living.

The fact that all you can do is call me a "youngin'" goes to show that you have no insults left in your bag, is your brain starting to short out on you? Your sarcasm on the internet is adoreable, and classified as cute at best. I'm not in high school, nor is my age relevant to anything you're talking about. It is a debate. I think that he's awesome because of where he's come from and what he overcame. I know that he needs to work on things in the ring, BUT FOR THE FIFTH TIME NOW ON THIS THREAD. It's people like you that proclaim they'll stop watching wrestling because someone is the champion, when I've stated people who have HELD the title and were WORSE, yet you were still watching Monday night weren't you? Admit the fact that you've lost this one. You lose all your internets, and you lose all of your credibility as a poster on this website. Good going.

On topic, congratulations to Mike Mizanin, for the simple fact that you really did overcome diversity and you lived your dream and within that moment last night when you were standing on the top rope holding the title above your head proclaiming "I told you, I told all of you." You were Legend... wait for it... dary.

 

[D-Man]

You just said "barely stumbling on any of his words", meaning he stumbled over some words, which is exactly what I said. Thanks for asking where and then agreeing with what I said in the next breath.

No. My definition of stumbling on words is saying the wrong thing and then going back to repeat yourself. But you motivated me to go back and watch the promo again, from start to finish. Thanks for that because now I know that the Miz didn't stumble on ONE word throughout the entire promo that lasted 4:50 and was one, continuous camera shot from the locker room area to the ring.

And I'm not a professional wrestler, nor do I claim or try to be.

You're not much of a debater, either.

You haven't given me ANY proof! You posted something and said this is why my opinion is so, that's not proof. That's you giving an example to go along with your OPINION. Maybe that works on high schoolers, but it doesn't work on me.

You said none of his promos were good so I posted a 5 minute, flawless, powerful shoot promo that has been considered one of the best of the year by JR, Mark Madden, many readers of this forum, and John Cena (who tweeted about it afterwards). Enough proof for you?

You comparing the Miz to the Rock is a joke, as Rock broke attendance records. He's one of the highest draws in wrestling history based on individual numbers.

Where's your proof? No, seriously. PROVE this. You can't, right? Because it's basically obvious, based on the Rock's popularity, and he was a major draw from the WWE. He headlined Wrestlemanias and other PPV events and was most likely the main babyface draw for them. But you know who else draws? The heels that those guys face. The heels that challenge the champions for their titles. The men who help to change divisions like the tag division (i.e. ShowMiz). So I'd say he was a decent draw, especially since he held the US Title for 321 days, tag championships for 77 days, and won the MITB ladder match all from 2009-2010.

(See? That's what PROOF looks like.)

You're asking me to disprove OPINION. You're entitled to your opinion, but stop acting like it's FACT. It's not. Once again, you posting a video of Miz cutting a promo and pretending that's prove of him being the best on the mic in the entire company isn't actually fact. That's you posting a video and still voicing your opinion, as dozens of people can watch that promo and disagree with you and have their own opinion that that wasn't the case. CM Punk owns Miz on the mic, and I don't need to post videos as proof, wrestling fans have watched both of them all year.

HAHAHAAHAH Hello, walking contradiction! You're such a hypocrite. I don't need to say anything further. /debate

No, that's based off my opinion. But if you're saying the Miz is as good on the mic as past stars like Arn Anderson, Roddy Piper, Jake Roberts, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, and the list goes on.. you're full of shit.

I said that?? Where?? All I said was that the Miz is (arguably) the best in the WWE right now. So it looks like you're the one spewing bullshit.

Go watch every match he's been in, please. Nowhere is his in ring ability anything but above average.

Proof. None? Thought so, hypocrite.

You're clearly a huge Miz mark so your opinion is rather biased when it comes to Miz's past matches and his feuds. I remember absolutely nothing memorable in terms of his matches or his feuds. That's not because I dislike the Miz, because I don't dislike the Miz, I just am not about to overrate his talent.

Actually, it's because you're ignorant and getting your ass spanked in this debate. I can go all day.

I'm not a "Miz mark." I'm a fan of his. I don't worship him or praise him just because I like him. I'm impressed by him because I'm a fan that's been watching for 25 years, attending wrestling school, and wrestled in matches and for local promotions. But I doubt you'd believe it, nor do I give a shit if you do.

And I don't need to cite a match, because I'm citing them all.

Well that's quite the cop out.

There's not one match that Miz has been in that's memorable to me for Miz's part in the match. Even in Money in the Bank where he WON he was just kind of there and overshadowed by others.

Ok, I respect that. An honest opinion.

I NEVER claimed he was mediocre at all, tool. You're debating and trying to disprove things that weren't even said in the first place. I said he was overrated, that doesn't mean he's mediocre. That means he's not as good as people give him credit for being. He's good on the mic, he's average in the ring, he's certainly a better "character" then some on the roster, but that still doesn't prove he's a draw nor does it prove he's a credible champion. I don't care about behind the scenes stuff, or how loyal or how much effort he puts in outside the ring, that doesn't determine whether the Miz has the talent or is credible in the role of WWE champion. As the TOP guy.

People said the same stuff about Sheamus, Triple H, Edge, Randy Orton... but it doesn't mean they're right.

You're entitled to think he is, but I and I'm certainly not alone, don't agree. You can't prove me wrong because there's no facts yet claiming otherwise. The only facts that will prove otherwise is his reign as champion now that's he's been given the ball.

Nor do you have any facts to disprove me. You just keep vomiting opinion-based bullshit and shut down my arguments because I don't have flowcharts that break down all of his attributes. Your statements are just as hollow as some of mine except my attempts for proof are in a language that other readers can relate too. All you've done is clicked your button of repeat in saying how "mediocre" and "undeserving" the Miz is in this situation and that you know best. But you have nothing to back up your claims except for empty opinions and bullshit arguments that are taking you nowhere.

This is a wrestling forum! Everything is opinion. Everything you've said is your opinion, and you trying to claim otherwise is laughable.

Not true. Read the Debate League which I run and won last year. Facts are a big part of this forum.

I've given lots of valid reasons why I don't think he's a good choice as champion and why I feel he's overrated. Just because you're a Miz mark and you don't agree with them doesn't make them any less valid you arrogant prick. They're just as valid as your OPINIONS on why the Miz is so good.

Enjoy your infraction for flaming.

I'm done with this subject. It's pointless to argue with someone as irrational as you. Feel free to post again. You won't get another reply from me.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Ah yes, The Miz. The Miz, The Miz, The Miz. My opinion of The Miz has fluctuated as wildly - or, Heaven forbid, even more wildly - as my opinion of most things related to wrestling. One week I like him, the next I-- well, dislike would be the wrong word. The next week, I'm... indifferent to him. Yeah, that's the ticket. If I had to come to a definitive conclusion on him, I'd probably say he's quite good. He's shown he's capable of having quite good matches - as seen with Daniel Bryan. He's quite good at cutting quite good promos. He has a quite good attire, a quite good lackey and a quite good t-shirt. He's even brought out the inner quite goodness in Michael Cole. Now he's only gone and pulled off quite a good surprise by winning the WWE Championship. Suffice to say, he's quite good.

I think complaints about his in-ring work are invalid considering we've just emerged from a string of slow, methodical matches between the slow, methodical Wade Barrett and the slow, methodical Randy Orton. I'd be more interested in listening to such complaints if, say, John Cena had previously been champion. But he wasn't, was he? In more out-of-the-ring terms, his character is good in a "cliche smug heel" kind of way and the only person notably better than him at cutting a promo is CM Punk.

As for his title reign, I'm glad. Excited would be the wrong word. No, it'd be the right word; I'm just reluctant to use it in case someone later throws it back in my face like so much jizz. I love new champions. I love first time champions. Here's a new, first time champion. The first reigns of guys like Punk and Swagger have been squarely placed in the draw labelled "forgettable mediocrity" but I think this one might have had enough build so as to escape such a designation. Most of all, it's at least something new in a main event scene which was quickly becoming stagnant and claustrophobic.

I expect good things to come. Well, quite good things.

 

[People's Champ]

Have to say it was a huge surprise to see the Miz cash in his MitB contract and win the WWE title. I marked out for sure, but it just didn't seem real when it happened. Raw was so crazy, so good, that when the Miz's music played I was almost drained. Seeing the Miz win the title is great, as Miz has been rolling lately. The guy has put in the time, effort, work to become one of the biggest guys in the WWE. Well deserved. As long as the WWE books this right, I expect nothing but great things to come of this.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

It takes two to tango and R-Truth is the biggest hunk of horseshit on WWE television programming.






What kind of reaction are you expecting? R-Truth is awful. He generates no reaction aside from singing along with his entrance theme. It's like Sheamus squashing Evan Bourne. do you expect a crowd explosion the likes of HBK vs. Undertaker at Wrestlemania? Let's be fair here.

Well no, we are talking about the WWE Champion aren't we? The WWE Champion should be a guy who can manage to get a reaction out of even the shittiest of opponents. I have a fairly recent example in my mind.

The day this guest host gig started is the day I am talking about. Batista was the guest host and Orton was the heel champion. It was also the day Mark Henry turned face against Orton. Now Mark Henry could equal or perhaps surpass R-Truth's shittiness. Yet he got a great reaction when he teased remaining heel and then suddenly turned face. The credit goes to Orton. His expressions as the scared to shit heel were perfect.

This promo was also fantastic. As a matter of fact, I'd put it right up there with that Miz promo. So what does that tell you? If the Miz has (arguably) the best (or second best) promo of the year, does that make him "average" on the mic? Thanks for proving my point.

Again this is your opinion. I have a bit of a problem with my net connection or I would have posted a few videos. I think some of the promos between Orton/ Sheamus during their feud were better. Also how about Wade's promo the night he berated Cena and finished off with Cena's own "You can't see me" catchphrase. That was also better than this promo by Miz, imo.

This is a good promo but I don't think its even in the top 5 of this year.

It's all about mixed reactions, depending on the situation.

The MITB cash-in is all about surprise and disbelief. You can't judge a superstars stature simply by watching their MITB cash-in video. Miz has done far more to deserve the praise he gets and the title he just won.

I agree with the MITB part.

About Miz though I would say he has improved by leaps and bounds since 2006. But he has not improved enough to warrant a WWE Championship.

I think a lot of fans like him because of this improvement. He was supposed to be completely shit but it turns out he isn't. That's great but that does not mean he should be WWE Champion.

 

[Suneeboy]

Was interesting to see, and pretty unexpected. Thought he would lose, but it was a nice twist after months of the same old thing happening.

Let's see where it goes.

The Miz character is pretty fun to watch, but he hasn't really cut that ground breaking promo, or had that eye opening match to warrent all of the orgasms that so many people seem to be having over him on this board.

My question is...what will they do to KEEP me interested?

 

[Lionshare]

im really happy for the development of this, we all knew, in one time or another he would cash in his briefcase, but this was perfect execution, we all were looking on the nexus - cena feud, which dragged orton for his title belt, so we couldnt see this coming. Sure almost everyone predicted the miz becoming new champion in just about every event and monday night raw since he won his money in the bank, so those posts of "predictable" and "boring" are out of the window.
Im glad to see a new era and a new champion, in this age of new faces and youth movement, this is one of situations i really wanted to see, how the nexus and orton couple with the miz, should make some intereesting tv for the times to come.

 

[martymcfly]

Wow...say what you will about this turn of events but that there's 15 pages worth of posts so far within a day is quite high.

I'm not going to read through all those posts so perhaps what I will say has already been stated. Congratulations to the miz on getting a title he doesn't deserve...yet.

Again, I am flabbergasted at how many people think that just because someone can handle a mic well and they like his current persona he suddenly should be champion. But I guess that's not really anything new, and when we get a new golden boy on the mic we'll see this all over again.

I know that a ton of folks here love the miz and I can honestly say that the one good thing about last night's cash in is that we can finally end the constant stream of posts for every pay per view of people claiming that for this one, a miz cash in will finally happen, or it's obvious it's going to be after X happens, etc.

That being said, I don't have anything against miz or his persona. I fully agree that he could be a main event contender, and he certainly seems to be one of the hardest working folks right now. But he does not deserve a championship reign right now. First, from pure storyline purposes, he can't even beat daniel bryan. So the idea of him being a legitimate main event champion, much less a contender, is ridiculous. I'm sure we'll have him successfully defend the the title for a little while due to riley's interference but it's just not a plausible time for him to be champion.

Second, storyline aside, he's just not ready from an in-ring standpoint to hang with the big boys, so to speak. He has improved drastically since his debut and I applaud him for that but he is not at the level right now to make it in a main event match against someone who can carry him. He is undoubtedly thousands of times better than barrett, but he's just not that great yet.

I guess we'll see, and I can see why WWE wanted to do something different in the mian event picture, and perhaps in the long run it will work out, but I just think this was the wrong time to give him the world championship, even though it will make hundreds of folks on this site alone swoon.