You know it's always funny how defensive Cena fans get when somebody tells th truth about their golden boy
how is it the truth? people w/o talent cant carry the company...
ROH marks get defensive when people talk about their precious roh or ecw...
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how is it the truth? people w/o talent cant carry the company...
ROH marks get defensive when people talk about their precious roh or ecw...
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
I feel like a heel dissing the host city right now hahahaha
98-01 was the Attitude Era...ROFLMAO.
here Justin this is for you... these are the ratings that the greatest wrestling promotion on the face of this earth did..
wow... WWE needed too watch out... ECW was on the rise..
Date Rating
August 27, 1999 0.9
September 3, 1999 1.0
September 10, 1999 0.9
September 17, 1999 0.7
September 24, 1999 0.9
October 1, 1999 0.7
October 8, 1999 0.9
October 15, 1999 1.2
October 22, 1999 1.2
October 29, 1999 0.8
November 5, 1999 1.1
November 12, 1999 0.9
November 19, 1999 0.9
November 26, 1999 1.1
December 3, 1999 1.0
December 10, 1999 1.2
December 17, 1999 1.0
December 24, 1999 1.1
December 31, 1999 0.9
2000
Date Rating
January 7, 2000 1.2
January 14, 2000 1.2
January 21, 2000 1.3
January 28, 2000 1.0
February 4, 2000 1.0
February 11, 2000 1.1
February 18, 2000 1.2
February 25, 2000 1.1
March 3, 2000 1.3
March 10, 2000 1.1
March 17, 2000 0.8
March 24, 2000 0.8
March 31, 2000 1.1
April 7, 2000 0.9
April 14, 2000 1.1
April 21, 2000 0.9
April 28, 2000 0.9
May 5, 2000 0.8
May 12, 2000 0.9
May 19, 2000 0.7
May 26, 2000 0.8
June 2, 2000 0.8
June 9, 2000 0.8
June 16, 2000 0.8
June 23, 2000 0.8
June 30, 2000 0.9
July 7, 2000 0.9
July 14, 2000 0.7
July 21, 2000 0.9
July 28, 2000 1.0
August 4, 2000 0.8
August 11, 2000 0.9
August 18, 2000 1.0
August 25, 2000 0.8
September 1, 2000 1.0
September 8, 2000 1.0
September 15, 2000 0.8
September 22, 2000 0.8
September 29, 2000 0.7
October 6, 2000 0.6
wow... WWE needed too watch out... ECW was on the rise..
Date Rating
August 27, 1999 0.9
September 3, 1999 1.0
September 10, 1999 0.9
September 17, 1999 0.7
September 24, 1999 0.9
October 1, 1999 0.7
October 8, 1999 0.9
October 15, 1999 1.2
October 22, 1999 1.2
October 29, 1999 0.8
November 5, 1999 1.1
November 12, 1999 0.9
November 19, 1999 0.9
November 26, 1999 1.1
December 3, 1999 1.0
December 10, 1999 1.2
December 17, 1999 1.0
December 24, 1999 1.1
December 31, 1999 0.9
2000
Date Rating
January 7, 2000 1.2
January 14, 2000 1.2
January 21, 2000 1.3
January 28, 2000 1.0
February 4, 2000 1.0
February 11, 2000 1.1
February 18, 2000 1.2
February 25, 2000 1.1
March 3, 2000 1.3
March 10, 2000 1.1
March 17, 2000 0.8
March 24, 2000 0.8
March 31, 2000 1.1
April 7, 2000 0.9
April 14, 2000 1.1
April 21, 2000 0.9
April 28, 2000 0.9
May 5, 2000 0.8
May 12, 2000 0.9
May 19, 2000 0.7
May 26, 2000 0.8
June 2, 2000 0.8
June 9, 2000 0.8
June 16, 2000 0.8
June 23, 2000 0.8
June 30, 2000 0.9
July 7, 2000 0.9
July 14, 2000 0.7
July 21, 2000 0.9
July 28, 2000 1.0
August 4, 2000 0.8
August 11, 2000 0.9
August 18, 2000 1.0
August 25, 2000 0.8
September 1, 2000 1.0
September 8, 2000 1.0
September 15, 2000 0.8
September 22, 2000 0.8
September 29, 2000 0.7
October 6, 2000 0.6
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
He can't carry it all by himself when WCW had the fucking nWo storyline in full swing.
WCW was the better product in 96-97. I'll tell you that because I watched it.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
sorta...DX was all sorts of in effect then...id say attitude era started at WM 13 personally....
yeah i believe 97 was the Michaels era... gosh he couldnt carry a compan, and people criticize Cena...
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Brian, I don't fucking care about ratings...I just care if I find the product entertaining, I could give a shit less if ROH or ECW sold out a bingo hall or MSG, as long as they entertain me, that's all I care about
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
ok, so the birth of people cheering Austin wasnt in the attitude era??? Bret Hart being heel, and he and Austin fighting into an ambulence wasnt the attitude era??? DX raising hell wasnt attitude era???
meh really I dont think u can put exact dates on "era's" thats kind of stupid...
and you are correct, WCW was at that time better.
CENA DOESNT EVEN HAVE ANY COMPETITION!!!!!! GOOD FUCKING GOD IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
Plus Cena's boring ass in HBK's spot with the nWo storyline in full swing, see what he can do. JACK FUCKING SHIT. I guaran goddamn tee it.
He would be jobbing to Marc Mero weekly.
Plus Cena's boring ass in HBK's spot with the nWo storyline in full swing, see what he can do. JACK FUCKING SHIT. I guaran goddamn tee it.
He would be jobbing to Marc Mero weekly.
Wrestlemania 14 marked the beginning of the Attitude Era. I think Vince even said that himself somewhere.
Who does Cena have on Raw that Sells? The attitude ERA had Austin, the Rock, Foley, Taker, and several others... It's not like Austin carried the whole thing...
Cena really has no one else on Raw... HHH doesn't even sell like Cena, nor does HBK, nor does Jeff Hardy.
Cena really has no one else on Raw... HHH doesn't even sell like Cena, nor does HBK, nor does Jeff Hardy.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
The difference being WWE had real competition on Monday nights then, and don't now, HBK still carried a company that was competing with another company for ratings, and Cena isn't going up against the same challenge, if Cena were going up against another promotion on Monday nights you might actually have an argument
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
meh, Cena is booked to play to his audience, who enjoy the way things are booked...IE the hero comeback overcome the odds shit everytime...I dont think its makes him shit, I think it makes him unfairly criticized...I mean do you think HE comes to bookers, and creative and says "hey in this one..I want my opponet to beat my ass for 20 minutes solid, and then out of nowere, ill act like nothing happened and use my five signature moves to win!!!"...no...thats what his audience likes, and enjoys, so thats how he is booked...
AMEN BROTHER!
I dont think Michaels was doing that Well. When WCW was doing 3's and 4's Michaels and the WWE were doing
WWE
January 6, 1997 2.1
January 13, 1997 2.3
January 20, 1997 2.2
January 27, 1997 2.2
February 3, 1997 2.6
February 10, 1997 2.3
February 17, 1997 2.1
February 24, 1997 2.5
March 3, 1997 1.9
March 10, 1997 2.3
March 17, 1997 2.4
March 24, 1997 2.5
March 31, 1997 2.7
April 7, 1997 2.2
April 14, 1997 2.2
April 21, 1997 2.8
April 28, 1997 3.4
May 5, 1997 3.2
May 12, 1997 3.2
May 19, 1997 3.1
May 26, 1997 2.7
June 2, 1997 2.5
June 9, 1997 2.2
June 16, 1997 2.4
June 23, 1997 2.4
June 30, 1997 2.5
July 7, 1997 2.5
July 14, 1997 2.6
July 21, 1997 4.1
July 28, 1997 2.9
August 4, 1997 2.7
August 11, 1997 2.9
August 18, 1997 3.2
August 25, 1997 Not On
September 1, 1997 Not On
September 8, 1997 2.2
September 15, 1997 2.6
September 22, 1997 2.4
September 29, 1997 2.7
October 6, 1997 3.0
October 13, 1997 2.3
October 20, 1997 2.9
October 27, 1997 2.3
November 3, 1997 2.6
November 10, 1997 3.4
November 17, 1997 3.1
November 24, 1997 3.0
December 1, 1997 3.0
December 8, 1997 3.0
December 15, 1997 2.7
December 22, 1997 3.1
December 29, 1997 3.6
WCW
Date Rating
January 6, 1997 3.0
January 13, 1997 3.4
January 20, 1997 3.7
January 27, 1997 3.6
February 3, 1997 3.1
February 10, 1997 3.8
February 17, 1997 2.9
February 24, 1997 3.0
March 3, 1997 3.4
March 10, 1997 3.5
March 17, 1997 3.6
March 24, 1997 3.0
March 31, 1997 3.4
April 7, 1997 3.7
April 14, 1997 3.5
April 21, 1997 3.4
April 28, 1997 2.7
May 5, 1997 2.8
May 12, 1997 2.8
May 19, 1997 3.6
May 26, 1997 3.3
June 2, 1997 3.3
June 9, 1997 3.4
June 16, 1997 3.3
June 23, 1997 3.3
June 30, 1997 3.3
July 7, 1997 3.4
July 14, 1997 3.5
July 28, 1997 3.4
August 4, 1997 4.4
August 11, 1997 3.8
August 18, 1997 4.0
August 25, 1997 5.0
September 1, 1997 4.8
September 8, 1997 4.3
September 15, 1997 3.9
September 22, 1997 3.7
September 29, 1997 4.0
October 6, 1997 3.9
October 13, 1997 3.8
October 20, 1997 4.6
October 27, 1997 4.3
November 3, 1997 4.0
November 10, 1997 4.3
November 17, 1997 4.1
November 24, 1997 3.9
December 1, 1997 3.8
December 8, 1997 4.3
December 15, 1997 4.1
December 22, 1997 3.5
December 29, 1997 4.6
I thin WCW won by a large margin
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
like I said, im not sure if one persons opinion of the beginning of an era can be calle dright or wrong. A lot of people may say the attitude era started at SS 97, with the screwjob...in my opinion, when the WWE officially crossed over from the old rock nd wrasslin, to what we have now, was the Hart Austin submission match, at WM 13. thats just my personal opinion.
No, it showed that Michaels could do jack squat... It shows that Michaels wasn't a ratings booster... Shows Michaels didnt sell in 1997... He could not hold a light to WCW>
Cena's audience stays steady. Michaels did not...
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Ok, that has nothing to do with what I was saying at all, but fuck it, lets just say WCW wasn't around then, WWE would most likely have picked up WCWs portion of the ratings, thus HBK would have drawn bigger ratings than Cena