Let's play "Name those NFL Stats".

[Nate DaMac]

Because it doesn't have to be a circus. The Jets made it a circus. And let's not kid ourselves, it was a circus before Tebow got there.

It was a fucking frenzy in Denver while he was there. The people that follow Tebow are going to make a stink wherever he goes, they're not all rational people like you.

Not if you put him into the right system.

His system isn't a winning system anymore. You can't win Super Bowls without a passing QB. It doesn't happen anymore.

But he's a terrible coach.

I agree, but he's a respectable Defensive Coordinator.

I don't think they "let him" so much as Weiss was offered a head coaching gig and Todd Haley was still the head man in KC.

He went to Florida to be their OC and then left there for a HC gig at Kansas. He was going wherever the money was taking him, the Chiefs could have matched it but they thought he was expendable. They were wrong.

Why? Stephen A. Smith is, he's presented himself in that manner many times.

You're going to have to show me some real proof. I've been watching him for years and I've never heard anything remotely racist from him.

I'm not sure what you're saying. If I say the KKK is racist, you cannot take me seriously? Why is accurately assessing a man's views make it impossible to take me seriously?

The whole thing with Big Sexy seals it for me. You've called him a racist so many times and you're 100% wrong about it.

Not sure if you're aware of this, but Big Sexy actually isn't black.

 

[klunderbunker]

Mike Greenberg on the Jets being the Jets:

They've got the #5 overall draft pick out of USC who has led them to two AFC Title games, and two National Championship winning quarterbacks, one of which won the Heisman Trophy and a division title last year, but they can't pick one because they're all so horrible.

 

[Slyfox696]

It was a fucking frenzy in Denver while he was there. The people that follow Tebow are going to make a stink wherever he goes, they're not all rational people like you.

When Fernando Valenzuela pitched his first year, it was every bit of a frenzy as it was with Tebow last year. But even though Valenzuela pitched well for many years after, the media hype was never the same as it was that first year. The media moved on, found new things to cover.

The only reason we still get so much Tebow media coverage is because of what the Jets have done to him. If the Broncos hadn't acquired Payton Manning, and Tebow had started this entire year, the media wouldn't have been nearly as crazy as it was last year or this year, regardless of what happened.

If he goes to, let's say, the Chiefs next year, it'll be crazy at the beginning of the year. By Week 14 though, whether Tebow wins or loses, most of the media hype will be gone. The only way the media hype would continue the way it has been is if Tebow won a bunch of 4th quarter comebacks, but quite frankly, then that would have nothing to do with Tebow as much as the 4th quarter comebacks.

His system isn't a winning system anymore. You can't win Super Bowls without a passing QB. It doesn't happen anymore.

Well, I don't know if that's necessarily true, but I do know this.

You can't win the Super Bowl without making it to the playoffs. And the only year Tebow saw significant starting time, his team went to the playoffs. You cannot say the same about the teams I mentioned earlier.

I agree, but he's a respectable Defensive Coordinator.

So I've heard. But he's a lousy head coach, and never should have been hired as head coach, regardless of the fact the Chiefs beat the Packers and ruined their undefeated season.

He went to Florida to be their OC and then left there for a HC gig at Kansas. He was going wherever the money was taking him, the Chiefs could have matched it but they thought he was expendable. They were wrong.

That's right, I forgot he went to Florida for a year.

Either way, I don't think it was the money nearly as much as working with Todd Haley.

You're going to have to show me some real proof. I've been watching him for years and I've never heard anything remotely racist from him.

Essentially, it's unfair that black coaches don't get second chances after proving themselves inept. Or more accurately, how dare those white leaders at universities not hire black coaches who failed miserably at their previous jobs.

If that's not racist, I don't know what is.

The whole thing with Big Sexy seals it for me. You've called him a racist so many times and you're 100% wrong about it.

Not sure if you're aware of this, but Big Sexy actually isn't black.

Oh, I know he claims to be white. So white people can't be racist? Really?

 

[Moon Knight]

Essentially, it's unfair that black coaches don't get second chances after proving themselves inept. Or more accurately, how dare those white leaders at universities not hire black coaches who failed miserably at their previous jobs.

If that's not racist, I don't know what is.

Then by your admittance you don't know what is. I watched the whole video and not only was it not racist but he made a very valid point. All he was saying is that Black coaches don't get the same amount of chances after failing as their White counterparts. And I agree, he is right. In a lot of cases Black coaches don't have the same chances to come back when they struggle than White coaches. Nothing racist coming from him, but the situation he is discussing is racist.

If a white coach fails for years but still gets another job, shouldn't a black coach get the same chance? If a white coach fails for years but is still allowed to coach out his contract, shouldn't a black coach get the same deal? By and large, most don't.

Unless you mean the situation he is talking about is racist, but I just don't get that from what you said.

 

[Slyfox696]

Then by your admittance you don't know what is. I watched the whole video and not only was it not racist but he made a very valid point. All he was saying is that Black coaches don't get the same amount of chances after failing as their White counterparts.

He was arguing that failed black coaches should get a second chance because they're black. The justification is irrelevant when the thesis is racist.

If a white coach fails for years but still gets another job, shouldn't a black coach get the same chance?

No, but then again, neither should the white coach.

If he had said it's ridiculous when ANY coach gets a second chance after a failed coaching stint, it wouldn't have been racist. If he had said ALL coaches deserve a second chance, it wouldn't have been racist. If he had said only some coaches, depending upon the previous situation, should get second chances, it wouldn't have been racist.

What he said is that black coaches should get a second chance because they're black. That's racist. Even if you agree the deck is stacked in favor of white coaches, and even if you agree university leaders are prejudiced when it comes to coaching hires, it doesn't change what he said to be less racist.

 

[Moon Knight]

He was arguing that failed black coaches should get a second chance because they're black. The justification is irrelevant when the thesis is racist.

He meant that black coaches aren't getting another chance because their black and that white coaches are getting more chances because their white. All he wants his black coaches which are in small numbers compared to white coaches to get the same chances. If white coaches suck and largely get another chance, and black coaches don't then there is a problem.

If he had said it's ridiculous when ANY coach gets a second chance after a failed coaching stint, it wouldn't have been racist. If he had said ALL coaches deserve a second chance, it wouldn't have been racist. If he had said only some coaches, depending upon the previous situation, should get second chances, it wouldn't have been racist.

He never said white coaches don't deserve a second chance, in fact he implied that he did. Where did he say white coaches don't deserve another chance? All he said was black coaches deserve second chances, the same as their white counterparts, not that ONLY black coaches do.

What he said is that black coaches should get a second chance because they're black. That's racist. Even if you agree the deck is stacked in favor of white coaches, and even if you agree university leaders are prejudiced when it comes to coaching hires, it doesn't change what he said to be less racist.

He is saying that black coaches mostly don't get second chances while white coaches do. Are you saying this is incorrect and white coaches don't get more chances than black coaches? Or that one failed job means you shouldn't get another chance...ever. Because all coaches deserve another chance to prove they are good, Bill Belichick is a great coach, but this his second job. He was the Browns head coach for 5 years and posted 4 losing seasons. He has had 1 since becoming the Patriots head coach and that was a 5 -11 season his first year which was also his second straight 5 -11 season. Clearly you wouldn't say him getting another shot was a bad idea.

What about Pete Carroll? He is doing alright in Seattle, but this his third stop. That is just NFL examples, some coaches do deserve another shot. It shouldn't be 1 and done.

 

[Slyfox696]

He meant that black coaches aren't getting another chance because their black and that white coaches are getting more chances because their white. All he wants his black coaches which are in small numbers compared to white coaches to get the same chances. If white coaches suck and largely get another chance, and black coaches don't then there is a problem.



He never said white coaches don't deserve a second chance, in fact he implied that he did. Where did he say white coaches don't deserve another chance? All he said was black coaches deserve second chances, the same as their white counterparts, not that ONLY black coaches do.

He is saying that black coaches mostly don't get second chances while white coaches do. Are you saying this is incorrect and white coaches don't get more chances than black coaches? Or that one failed job means you shouldn't get another chance...ever. Because all coaches deserve another chance to prove they are good, Bill Belichick is a great coach, but this his second job. He was the Browns head coach for 5 years and posted 4 losing seasons. He has had 1 since becoming the Patriots head coach and that was a 5 -11 season his first year which was also his second straight 5 -11 season. Clearly you wouldn't say him getting another shot was a bad idea.

What about Pete Carroll? He is doing alright in Seattle, but this his third stop. That is just NFL examples, some coaches do deserve another shot. It shouldn't be 1 and done.

You should have went to bed before you posted this. You don't seem to have understood what I said. Read it again, and see if it makes more sense now.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Only one black coach has gotten a second chance at a head coaching job after getting fired out of forty. That's sad no matter which way you slice it.

 

[JGlass]

Did you follow the whole ordeal closely at all? I bet you didn't, but I did, so I know the ins and outs of it, and take my word for it... there's more evidence suggesting the Saints did NOT have a bounty program than there is that they did. If you want me to run it all down for you I gladly will.

I did not. Egg on my face? Maybe, but I don't really care one way or another, as I still liked the Saints regardless of the whole bounty thing.

For the past 3 years I've been standing up for Stormtrooper, defending his Jets and Sanchez when people would shit on them and he would stand there battling everyone on his own. However, there is no defense for this.

The Saints have had their ups and downs this season. Let's say during one of those down times, a couple of anonymous quotes from the team came out blaming Drew Brees, bitching about his contract, etc. I would be saying the same thing about the Saints as I am the Jets. Not much gets under my skin in pro sports than anonymous quotes from people (especially players) in the organization.

The Jets team is filled with cowards and assholes. Trust me, I'd say the same thing about the Saints if I thought it. I know the Jets organization has a great and loyal fanbase, and I think their owner is a decent guy as far as owners are concerned, and I don't exactly mind Rex Ryan, but the players and "leaders" on that team? Fuck 'em. Whiny scumbags the lot of them.

So, despite all these positives, you still wish the Jets organization the absolute worst? I can understand wishing Sanchez, Tebow, Holmes, or Cromartie the absolute worst, but the entire organization? That's a little extreme.

Also, I'd be interested to hear why you think Revis is a coward.

 

[Slyfox696]

Only one black coach has gotten a second chance at a head coaching job after getting fired out of forty. That's sad no matter which way you slice it.

Why is that sad? I find it more sad that a guy like Norv Turner constantly gets chance after chance to be a head coach, or stay the head coach, when he's obviously not a good head coach.

What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be broken down into white or black coaches (or Hispanic/Latino coaches...how many of them have there been? 3?), but rather simply by coaches. No coach deserves a second chance based on the color of his skin, and no coach deserves to be denied a second chance based on the color of his skin.

Stephen A. Smith argued differently. He argued certain coaches should be granted a second chance simply based on the color of their skin. If I were to say "Norv Turner deserves another chance because he's white", would that not be called racist? Of course it would. So the same has to be true when someone, in this case Smith, says a coach deserves a second chance because he's black.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

Sly didn't you start a thread a while back about how Stephan A. and his often racial remarks?

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Why is that sad? I find it more sad that a guy like Norv Turner constantly gets chance after chance to be a head coach, or stay the head coach, when he's obviously not a good head coach.

What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be broken down into white or black coaches (or Hispanic/Latino coaches...how many of them have there been? 3?), but rather simply by coaches. No coach deserves a second chance based on the color of his skin, and no coach deserves to be denied a second chance based on the color of his skin.

Stephen A. Smith argued differently. He argued certain coaches should be granted a second chance simply based on the color of their skin. If I were to say "Norv Turner deserves another chance because he's white", would that not be called racist? Of course it would. So the same has to be true when someone, in this case Smith, says a coach deserves a second chance because he's black.

They are going to have to pry that job from Norv's cold dead hands.

 

[Slyfox696]

Sly didn't you start a thread a while back about how Stephan A. and his often racial remarks?

I don't remember. I know I've said before on here that he's racist, but I don't know where, when or how.

They are going to have to pry that job from Norv's cold dead hands.

Reports are that he and AJ Smith, the GM, will be fired after this season. The only way Turner would be fired is if you got rid of Smith. I suspect they are probably pretty good buddies.

 

[jmt225]

So, despite all these positives, you still wish the Jets organization the absolute worst?

That's just an expression I use from time to time. It's not to be taken literally.

Also, I'd be interested to hear why you think Revis is a coward.

Nah, he's alright in my book. He kept his mouth shut during the Reggie Bush drama. It's really a shame when the karma caught up to that defense that it hit him instead of Cromartie or Landry.

 

[The Bearded One]

I see Tebow either going to Jacksonville or the CFL. He could make do in Jacksonville. They have the offensive style to carter to Tebow"s running and limited passing abilities.

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[Megatron]

If Chris Mortensons report is true, you'll be SOL Bearded. Tebow to Jacksonville is "highly likely" for 2013.

 

[justinsayne]

If Chris Mortensons report is true, you'll be SOL Bearded. Tebow to Jacksonville is "highly likely" for 2013.

I'd rather have Tebow than fucking Gabberts worthless ass quarterbacking my team.

 

[Moon Knight]

You should have went to bed before you posted this. You don't seem to have understood what I said. Read it again, and see if it makes more sense now.

Saying "you didn't understand me, read it again" is on the same level as posting something that was flat out wrong, so instead of admitting you are wrong you just accuse them of not understanding.

The fact is it wasn't racist, on any level. Try listening to him again, maybe now you will see he wasn't implying what you seem to think he was.

 

[Moon Knight]

I don't remember. I know I've said before on here that he's racist, but I don't know where, when or how.

Find it, maybe you can actually show some proof in that thread. Because I am not buying what you posted was racist or even intended to be.

 

[Megatron]

I'd rather have Tebow than fucking Gabberts worthless ass quarterbacking my team.

If they went all in with a Tebow centric system I'd want him. According to Mort there will be a QB battle next training camp but you can't expect Tebow to make the throws that Gabbert makes because he's not that type of player. Fuck, give him 15 carries a game in an option offense and 15-20 passes and you'd be better off. RGIII has shown that type of offense can work really well in the NFL. Granted, he's miles above Tebow as a passer and slightly faster, but their styles are similar.

 

[klunderbunker]

Jacksonville hasn't had a winning season since what, 2007? They're 2-12 this year. It's not like Tebow could make them much worse. Also it might get people to remember the Jaguars exist.

 

[Moon Knight]

If they went all in with a Tebow centric system I'd want him. According to Mort there will be a QB battle next training camp but you can't expect Tebow to make the throws that Gabbert makes because he's not that type of player. Fuck, give him 15 carries a game in an option offense and 15-20 passes and you'd be better off. RGIII has shown that type of offense can work really well in the NFL. Granted, he's miles above Tebow as a passer and slightly faster, but their styles are similar.

Most thought Tebow should have been in Jacksonville from the start. However, even if the offense works they still don't have the defense to win much. That is what helped him in Denver, a solid defense.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Tebow is miles ahead of Gabbert and better then overdrafting any of the "top" Quarterbacks in the 2013 draft. Jacksonville can go with Tebow for a year and see what happens, then draft a QB if it fails.

 

[Moon Knight]

Jacksonville hasn't had a winning season since what, 2007? They're 2-12 this year. It's not like Tebow could make them much worse. Also it might get people to remember the Jaguars exist.

They could go 0-16 and get the top pick, and if there is a solid QB coming out in 2014 blowing the season maybe worth it. When is Johnny Football going to declare? He will finish his second year of college ball in time to declare for the 2014 draft I think.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I think it's fair to bring up that the receivers on the Jets are absolutely awful and are filled with guys that most people have never heard of and I think Rex should be kept at least another year and the GM needs to go