Is Playboy Overshadowing the Womens title?

[skater4u4eva]

although trish was very model-like when she first began, she was gettin pop from the crowd and they did like her....many of the divas now aren't getting a good pop during their entances or their bullcrap matches...my point is that at both lita and trish's peak they WERE HUGE and the fans thought of them as wrestlers and NOT JUST EYE CANDY

o and basically besides the fact that most of the divas that were hired just as trish was hired (to b a sex symbol) they still aren't over with the crowd as she was even wen she started

 

[psykohurricane]

although trish was very model-like when she first began, she was gettin pop from the crowd and they did like her....many of the divas now aren't getting a good pop during their entances or their bullcrap matches...my point is that at both lita and trish's peak they WERE HUGE and the fans thought of them as wrestlers and NOT JUST EYE CANDY

o and basically besides the fact that most of the divas that were hired just as trish was hired (to b a sex symbol) they still aren't over with the crowd as she was even wen she started

Do you really remember when Trish first started as a manager, nobody cared about here at all. During her time managing Test & Albert nobody cared about here. They first time that she got any kind of response from the crowd was when she was in her feud with lita and even the crowd wasn't that existed about her. The thing that made people take notice was when she was in the storyline with vince and stephanie mcmahon, that was the first time that the crowd actually reacted to Trish so don't tell me Trish was getting pop when she started because that's just not true. As far as today'S divas not getting a good reaction from the crowd, are you even watching these segments or are you just changing channel before these matches or segment because i could easily name you 5 divas that are getting great reactions from the crowd.

So sure, the quality of that matches are not as good as they use to be but let face it, they having been good for a long time but most of them are getting good reaction from the crowd right now so that well enough for me.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

taken from stormwrestling.com, Lance storms Qand a session

Q: What do you think of today's WWE Divas?

A; I think there is a real mixed bag. There are still some who can really work and have great matches and then those who really should stick to the Diva photo shoots. Unfortunately the focus right now is more on appearance that work rate, and the Women’s division is really a shell of what it once was or could be.

From the horses mouth, Even lance storm says the preliminary forcus of the division isnt the Womens championship, I read a column on WZ statiing that maybe the womens title should be better off on smackdown and i kind of agree, Smackdown has more focus on Matches then showing off your skin so maybe it would be better off having the belt move to there and that would give RAW more time to focus on the tag Divisin IMO

 

[psykohurricane]

From the horses mouth, Even lance storm says the preliminary forcus of the division isnt the Womens championship, I read a column on WZ statiing that maybe the womens title should be better off on smackdown and i kind of agree, Smackdown has more focus on Matches then showing off your skin so maybe it would be better off having the belt move to there and that would give RAW more time to focus on the tag Divisin IMO

I agree with what Lance Storm said because he trained at less half of all the wwe divas currently on the roster so if there is somebody's opinion the is respect on this subject it's his.

But again, if your saying that smackdown has more focus on the matches then RAw has, this is were i disagree with you and am sure Lance would said the same thing. Just because you got two woman's wrestler on the roster, that doesn't mean that the focus is on wrestling. Let me remind you of something, will RAw was promoting MAria's playboy issue by putting here in matches against Melina and Jillian, Smackdown was doing a diva competition which look a lot like the diva's search contest. Basicly all the event were stuff that they use on the diva search contest over the year. So don't tell me that Smackdown focus more on the matches then raw does. The only thing that i would change is maybe sent Ashley and maria to smackdown and sent Natalya neidhart and Victoria to raw so that you get all the wrestler on one show instead of splitting them up.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I agree with what Lance Storm said because he trained at less half of all the wwe divas currently on the roster so if there is somebody's opinion the is respect on this subject it's his.

But again, if your saying that smackdown has more focus on the matches then RAw has, this is were i disagree with you and am sure Lance would said the same thing. Just because you got two woman's wrestler on the roster, that doesn't mean that the focus is on wrestling. Let me remind you of something, will RAw was promoting MAria's playboy issue by putting here in matches against Melina and Jillian, Smackdown was doing a diva competition which look a lot like the diva's search contest. Basicly all the event were stuff that they use on the diva search contest over the year. So don't tell me that Smackdown focus more on the matches then raw does. The only thing that i would change is maybe sent Ashley and maria to smackdown and sent Natalya neidhart and Victoria to raw so that you get all the wrestler on one show instead of splitting them up.

what im saying is that smackdown actually build up womens feuds rather then just have a one off match and bam your the champ, it makes sure it can put together the matches and build up a huge feud between the women on the roster, ala natalia neidhart/victoria angle which is actually working for the two involved

 

[psykohurricane]

what im saying is that smackdown actually build up womens feuds rather then just have a one off match and bam your the champ, it makes sure it can put together the matches and build up a huge feud between the women on the roster, ala natalia neidhart/victoria angle which is actually working for the two involved

Yes but then again, the feud that victoria/natalia neidhart are involve in is a stupid one at best and i don'T think that fans are going to remember it anyways in a couple of weeks. They are feud with Michelle McCool and Cherry over the fact that Michelle won a motocycle, if that's the best they can do has far as writing storyline for the divas i rather was the matches on raw and the meaningless title change then watches what that crap on smackdown.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Yes but then again, the feud that victoria/natalia neidhart are involve in is a stupid one at best and i don'T think that fans are going to remember it anyways in a couple of weeks. They are feud with Michelle McCool and Cherry over the fact that Michelle won a motocycle, if that's the best they can do has far as writing storyline for the divas i rather was the matches on raw and the meaningless title change then watches what that crap on smackdown.

In your opinion, i feel that the feud is working to establish Natalia Neidhart, i do agree though that without the belt it is meaningless pushing these women on smackdown

 

[psykohurricane]

In your opinion, i feel that the feud is working to establish Natalia Neidhart, i do agree though that without the belt it is meaningless pushing these women on smackdown

I does this feud help her establish herself exactly? So yes when she made her debut 3 weeks ago i was intrigue by what they would be doing with her, but they went and screwed everything up the next week by precenting her as the daughter of Jim Neidhart. And to make matter worst she cut a promo that sounded a lot like a promo that her father would cut even the laugh made me think of him. I know how great Nattie neidhart is in the ring, i saw her wrestle a couple of time on tv and she deserve a lot more then been view as jim neidhart's daughter and victoria's sidekick and the longer this feud goes on the worst it will get for her.

 

[theblaz]

Whenever I see a women's match these days, I keep hoping that Victoria will just come out from the back and pummel everyone in the ring.

She's the best female worker they have, and they've turned her into a joke.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

I have so much catching up to do. Anways...

She should though. Because she'd make a better enforcer for the more charismatic Melina. Beth is a good wrestler, but she has the charisma of a watermelon. That's why people don't care about her, and that's why she isn't the focus of the division.

The only reason there wasn't a Women's title match at Mania is because they needed to promote the more important Playbody. They also didn't want Maria vs. Phoenix because while it's supposed to be a heat killer, it's not supposed to be a crowd killer. That is why Candice & Melina were added, because fans care about them. And their big tits.

I disagree about Beth and her charisma. I think she has the ability to make her gimmick work and she's good on the mic, and there's proof about that from last night. Of course, few divas have the kind of charisma that Melina does (and that's totally biased, but still), but valeting on Heat, is not where a Women's Champion belongs in the first place. And if Melina is the more charismatic one, wouldn't it have made sense for Beth to wrestle while Melina talked smack or whatever she would've done?

From what I've heard, the real reason why there was not a Women's Champion match at WM this year was because Ashley was injured. Apparently the Women's Champion match was supposed to be Candice vs Beth vs Mickie, while Ashley and Maria would team up against Melina and Jillian (which is why Jillian had started coming out during Melina's matches prior to WM), but with Ashley getting injured, it turned into Beth and Melina vs Candice and Maria, and of course it went downhill from there (wow that was a run-on sentence).

Please. Any properly trained wrestler would have stopped themselves from landing like that.

That's an assumption on your part. While there are other reasons why you could say Candice isn't a good wrestler, her fall just is not one of them.

Y'know what. If Candice continues to improve the way she has been then I don't see why she can't be great. It took Trish Stratus years to be compitent in the ring. Yet Candice appears to have taken to it very quickly. Candice also doesn't have the benefit of working with Jazz, Molly Holly and to a lesser extent Victoria like Trish did.

See the problem I have with Candice, as much as I do like her, is the fact that she seems to eager to try new moves without really establishing the basic ones strongly. I think that's something Trish did, and of course the fact that some of her first fueds were with people like Lita, Jazz, Victoria, Molly, etc also did help. That's why I like how Layla is learning to wrestle with the basics first, and isn't trying to attempt something flashy every other match.

I think since trish and lita left there arent really many good wemon wrestlers left or willing to enter the wwe. The fact is most wemon going into wrestiling want to ... Wrestle, Not pose for plaboy or show up in skimpy skirts to be vallette for some dude. Alot of female wrestlers have tallent. But there sure as hell not in the wwe. I can name off 2 and one who is getting there , Mickey and beth being the 2 who are there and melina is getting there. Hell the rest might as well go live at the playboy mansion thats all they seem to care or think about anymore.

There are other women in the WWE that can wrestle and that aren't Trish and Lita. You mentioned Melina (who's been wrestling for eight years, so I doubt she's just "getting there"), Beth, and Mickie, but what about Victoria, Beth, and Jillian? Not to mention all the women training in the developments, some of who have been called up, like Nattie and Katie. You have others like Torrie, Michelle, and Candice who aren't great wrestlers, but can be decent. Even though some of the divas do come from a modeling background or have posed on Playboy, or are T&A in the WWE, doesn't necessarily mean that they don't care about wrestling. Look at someone like Maryse- she's been training for over a year, and from house show reports she's actually gotten pretty good. Or there're others like Layla, who wrestles in FCW and is really trying hard to improve. Even Maria, who I cannot stand, took time to go to OVW train there. I criticize heavily, but I also give credit where it's due.

wwe womens division is a joke. the only legitamate females in there are beth phoenix, melina, and victoria. the rest are just eye candy. If I want to see 2 females "wrestle" for a womens title, I watch tna for that.

Other "legitamate" females are Mickie, Jillian, Nattie, Katie, oh and Cherry is okay.

So the point of this is that your not making any sense with this comment since the WWE is already hiring divas like Trish and Lita, it'S just that you don't see it.

See, while the WWE might be hiring divas like Trish and Lita, they aren't using them in the same way. The era that Trish and Lita come from, is an era where the WWE actually cared about its Women's Division. I can't say that anymore.

Whenever I see a women's match these days, I keep hoping that Victoria will just come out from the back and pummel everyone in the ring.

She's the best female worker they have, and they've turned her into a joke.

Whenever I see a women's match in the WWE, it hurts me how much they misuse women like Jillian Hall, who by the way has busted her ass for years and her hard work has yet to come to fruition. Victoria had her time in the spotlight. I don't want to see her in the Women's Title scene (not that she will be) again, until someone else who hasn't gotten their chance has a shot. *cough*Jillian Hall*cough*

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Dragon

 

[Mz-HoLLiE]

this is a topic that really gets me going because i have grown up watching wwe and i remember being amased when trish watching trish's or lita's matches..they were getting up there with the men.

and being a person who wants to wrestle one day, it's horrible knowing that i may not be able to( even as hard as it is anyways to get in) because some girls are willing to pose naked. no matter how hard i work, it may not be enough because of that.

wwe really need to re think how they are using the womens divison because once they lost trsh and lita it all went down in flames.

if girls arnt going to work ard enough to be a good wrestler they shouldnt be allowed in the ring! even trish stratus isnt happy with hoe they are being used. they should all need to work as hard as beth, melina and mickie have.

its stupid to have a womens championship match being overshadowed by these girls that can't wrestle at all.

if they join wwe their goal should be to win the womens championship NOT POSE IN PLAYBOY!

so yeah thats my two cents

 

[Mz-HoLLiE]

another thing,
do u know how many girls i have spoken to that wanna be a wrestler for the sake of fame and dont realise they they might have to actually have a match they think they just need to look pretty and thats it there in!

how do u think the women that began the division would feel..having to prove themselves? i get that sexualitly will be a part of wrestling from now on and it sells... im not saying the divas have to go out and wrestler in baggy jeans and an oversized t-shirt..i get that but they need to bring it back to the way it was.

womens wrestling doesnt have to be a joke and they can change it..there are heaps of talented wrestlers out there, they may not have been in any modeling magazines but they deserve to wrestle on a show like wwe, not the girls that just think it will get them jobs everywhere else

"Santino said he was involved in the lowest form of sports-entertainment: WWE Divas. That WWE Divas should not even be competing. They should be at home looking pretty walking around making pasta and making babies. Hello!!!! Santino, when was the last time you wrestled at WrestleMania? You escorted ME to the ring!

Again, how can you not laugh at his comments? They are so ridiculous! But what pisses me off is that there are people out there that feel that way. I met a fan who told me he didn’t care about the BunnyMania match. He just wants to see us walk around in our little outfits. Are you serious? Well this little girl who wears cute outfits could take him out in a second. I can't believe that!

I’m confused. What do people want?! I hear comments like that and then I hear the true fans that say "let the women wrestle." You, our fans, are the ones with the voice. You are the ones to say what you want. I pray you want wrestling because that’s why I’m here.

When I watched as a fan, as a female I wanted someone I could look up to and say I want to be strong like her. Not, I can’t wait to stand around and have people look at me in little outfits. Anyone can just stand around. Girls do that all over the world and it’s not a big deal. If you want to see that, go to the mall! Or watch ECW!

When you turn to USA on Monday nights to watch wrestling, you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to do what very few women in this world can do! Throw down!!! Not very many women in this world have the patience, athleticism and tolerance for pain that we do. Or go through the travel schedule that we do while being expected to look gorgeous.

You don’t think I work out as hard as the men? I may have a different type of body - smaller and not with the ability to move like them - but I’d like to have someone watch me work out, see what I can do physically and see if they can do it! Don’t say I don’t work hard for what I do. I take a beating, too! I get punched and kicked in the face and hit with crazy moves ... and I’m still here. NO ONE, male or female, is going to tell me I don’t belong in wrestling!

I may not be all that, but I ALWAYS strive to be better than I was before. I give my all. And to hear that when I’m in the ring in pain, a person doesn’t care that we get hurt ... "Huh huh, nice boobs?" WTF?

I express myself in everything I do: My clothes, makeup and hair. I’m not saying I get angry if you think my outfit is cool. If you like my look and my physique, thank you. I work hard every day to stay in the kind of shape I need to be in. But don’t say that every hard-working Diva is doing what they do for nothing. That it doesn’t mean anything because I’m telling you right here, right now, that it means the world to me.

My biggest fear is that you do think that. That people out there think females have no business in this sport. Well, if you do, I’m going to prove you wrong. This past month was women’s history month. I look at those women we praised for what they have done and I think about how people told them they had no business stepping into the ring. But look at what they accomplished!

I hope people see that women in wrestling don’t just struggle amongst each other for that glorious Women’s Championship. We fight for our right to exist there, in a male-dominated environment where we work every bit as hard as the guys. Well as long as I’m here, I will fight to show that I belong. Some girls may be fine with showing off their skimpy outfits. Those women that have no passion are the women Santino is talking about. I'm not satisfied with that. I am not here to just strut around and look gorgeous (even though I'm pretty hot! =p). I'm here for much more. I'm here to push myself and work toward that championship.

If you want to think that I will never measure up and be what the male Superstars are, guess what? I'm not trying to be the next Triple H, John Cena or Undertaker. All I want to be is ME: Melina. Take a good look and watch me in the ring, watch my passion, watch my aggression, my intensity, my flexibility, my creativity and my presence. As I will never be like them, THEY will never be like ME."

- melina in her blog on wwe.com(no.9)
i cant remember who said it on this thread but someone said the only way the womens divison can be changed is by the divas saying somehing.

do they even get a say? look at jillian she wants to wrestle..so why isnt she? its not her choice thats why.

the only reason this can change is by the people backstage at wwe.
i pray that it will change soon, because i cant stand it much longer

if worse come to worse i hope that girls my age and future divas notice whats happening and try and change it (if wwe will even hire wrestlers not models anymore)

 

[psykohurricane]

i cant remember who said it on this thread but someone said the only way the womens divison can be changed is by the divas saying somehing.

do they even get a say? look at jillian she wants to wrestle..so why isnt she? its not her choice thats why.

the only reason this can change is by the people backstage at wwe.
i pray that it will change soon, because i cant stand it much longer

if worse come to worse i hope that girls my age and future divas notice whats happening and try and change it (if wwe will even hire wrestlers not models anymore)

The only way that it will change is if all the wwe fans react to a divas match. That'S the only way the WWE would make a change. The problem is that most of the fans will react to somebody like Maria or Kelly Kelly because they are beatiful girls and the normal fans actually like watching scandily glad woman trying to beat each other up even if there not good at it. If the normmal would stop cheering these divas and actually react to any type of match involving Beth phoenix, victoria or mickie james then maybe the wwe would realise that the fans want to see woman's wrestler and not models. But for now that's what the normal fan want and it been what the normal fan wanted for years so we can either except it or try and help the wwe change their mind by actually reacting to a real woman's match.

 

[skater4u4eva]

Do you really remember when Trish first started as a manager, nobody cared about here at all. During her time managing Test & Albert nobody cared about here. They first time that she got any kind of response from the crowd was when she was in her feud with lita and even the crowd wasn't that existed about her. The thing that made people take notice was when she was in the storyline with vince and stephanie mcmahon, that was the first time that the crowd actually reacted to Trish so don't tell me Trish was getting pop when she started because that's just not true. As far as today'S divas not getting a good reaction from the crowd, are you even watching these segments or are you just changing channel before these matches or segment because i could easily name you 5 divas that are getting great reactions from the crowd.

So sure, the quality of that matches are not as good as they use to be but let face it, they having been good for a long time but most of them are getting good reaction from the crowd right now so that well enough for me.

ok dude, im not goin to argue wit u i think that divas now r just eye candy and that they don't kno how to wrestle.....and wutever pop lets say mickie james gets from the crowd not once has come close to the pop trish got...im sayin this from a woman's perspective chill out its your opinion wut u think or c and its mine wut i do...

 

[skater4u4eva]

o ttly can relate to u...i also aspire to b able to wrestle in WWE one day...i think the same thing u think..they shouldn't b just eye candy, its called wrestlin, and U MUST KNO HOW TO FRIGGIN WRESTLE. some dudes on this forum just don't get it, it pisses me off

 

[sniksag]

well women wrestling has always been look down upon simply because pro wrestling to be hinest is more of a mans sport. back in 98 we got to see sable and jaqueline and luna start a new version of women wrestling which was good for a while. then chyna came around and regardless of what she looked like then or looks like now she has done the most for womens wrestling altogether. playboy in wrestling doesnt make sense thats what porn is for. dont get me wrong its sexxy as hell to see a female go in the ring and kick ass . but its justr like when i turn on wwe and see the women wrestling i always see who the next playboy centerfold may be but on tna i cant wait to see the women wrestle even the ones who are divaish on tna kick ass. when on wwe has the diva segment been the highest rated. i think the sex appeal of women in wrestling is how they actually wrestle rather than how they look. cheerleader melissa says it all ... playboy sucks anyway

 

[Mz-HoLLiE]

The only way that it will change is if all the wwe fans react to a divas match. That'S the only way the WWE would make a change. The problem is that most of the fans will react to somebody like Maria or Kelly Kelly because they are beatiful girls and the normal fans actually like watching scandily glad woman trying to beat each other up even if there not good at it. If the normmal would stop cheering these divas and actually react to any type of match involving Beth phoenix, victoria or mickie james then maybe the wwe would realise that the fans want to see woman's wrestler and not models. But for now that's what the normal fan want and it been what the normal fan wanted for years so we can either except it or try and help the wwe change their mind by actually reacting to a real woman's match.

sadly true,

and i get that people will always react to scandily clad women that way, but maybe if wwe tried giving actual wrestling matches for a while, with a good storyline wouldn't people get into it.
The sad realisation is that the fans will always react to maria and candice like that.
i no people wont be as excited as they were when trish and lita got into the ring but, does it make sense to say they're not used to it in a way because all wwe has been promoting is playboy?

By trying to change the wwes mind i know that i would prefer a actual match and would cheer for it, im from australia and when they came here last year people were more into the actual match between mickie and beth then they were when the girls just 'paraded around the ring'.


couldn't wwe have normal matches and the other matches for maria and ashley? the fans would be more hyped up if they saw them now and then rather than every week right? then again maybe they would lose ratings(not that maria and ashley draw that many ratings IMO)

in other words i dont mind if maria or ashley and that have lingerie/ swimming costume contests and that but they should take up the main event

just thinking out loud, soz if it didnt make much sense lol

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I personally watch wrestling to see wrestling. I enjoy matches with a lot of innovative moves and well done spots. I essentially hate brawlers or the big guys with no wrestling ability, like Kahli, Mark Henry and JBL (his only decent move is the fallaway slam and when did he last do it?) and women's matches aren't great either. Even hitting the ropes convincingly is too difficult for most of them. Always enjoyed Trish matches, Lita matches, Mickie James matches, am disappointed that Victoria isn't used enough except to job, Melina and Candice have certainly upped their games lately and Beth Phoenix is currently the best women's wrestler (in WWE).

The Playboy thing i think is used to give the spotlight to the women who CAN'T wrestle well. These are the women you're never likely to see as the Women's champ. If i'm right, Chyna and Sable had won it b4 being in Playboy (i think, probably wrong there) and Candice is the only diva to do Playboy and THEN win the belt. Torrie, Christy, Ashley, Maria, where were their title reigns? Torrie apparently shouldn't wrestle ever again, Christy is with TNA where women are appreciated more, and i doubt you'll ever see the other two with the belt without a LOT of work.

 

[HellBoundPower]

I think Playboy has Overshadowed the Women's Division since Torrie Wilson posed. Every year since then, it's been a Diva posing before Wrestlemania, and then either getting a shot at the Women's Title, or being in some sort of Bunny Match, that usually ends up being crappy and a waste of airtime. As many have said in this topic already, I watch wrestling to see wrestling. If I wanted to see half naked chicks touch each other, I would watch porn. This is wrestling, and I want to see wrestling. Sadly, Playboy will forever overshadow the Women's Division. At least until Vince stops being a freakin' hornball.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

I think Playboy has Overshadowed the Women's Division since Torrie Wilson posed. Every year since then, it's been a Diva posing before Wrestlemania, and then either getting a shot at the Women's Title, or being in some sort of Bunny Match, that usually ends up being crappy and a waste of airtime. As many have said in this topic already, I watch wrestling to see wrestling. If I wanted to see half naked chicks touch each other, I would watch porn. This is wrestling, and I want to see wrestling. Sadly, Playboy will forever overshadow the Women's Division. At least until Vince stops being a freakin' hornball.

Actually it's not really Torrie's fault. The reason why Playboy really gets showcased, especially at WM, is because it's supposed to be in the contract or something like that (taken from a Trish interview). Wrestlemania 22 was a year where they focused on Candice's Michelle's Playboy cover, but they still managed to put on a great Women's Championship match between Trish and Mickie.

ok dude, im not goin to argue wit u i think that divas now r just eye candy and that they don't kno how to wrestle.....and wutever pop lets say mickie james gets from the crowd not once has come close to the pop trish got...im sayin this from a woman's perspective chill out its your opinion wut u think or c and its mine wut i do...

You have to keep in mind that the era Trish came from, as I said before, was an era where it was obvious that the WWE did have some semblance of care for the WWE Women's Division. Not only that, but Trish (as a face) worked with some of the best females heels such as Molly, Victoria, and Jazz. I don't think Trish has anything that Mickie doesn't (well okay I do admit Trish is better on the mic), it's that Trish really was in the right place at the right time, not that I'm trying to put down the hard work she put into her wrestling.

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Dragon

 

[asanders93]

im gonna be stright up with this, MOST OF THE WOMEN ON THE ROSTER ARE ONLY USEING WWE TO MAKE A SPRING BORED TO GET A STUPID MODALING JOB!!!! IM A GUY WHO CARES ABOUT THE DOMANENTS OF ALL WOMEN. YEAH IM A GUY, BUT TO SEE WOMEN LIKE MARIA AND CANDICE AND ASHILY SAY THAT PLAYBOY IS THEIR NUMBER 1 DREAM AND GOAL IN LIFE, WHILE THEY ARE IN WWE SAYS TO ME THEY DONT CARE ABOUT MAKEING WOMEN LOOK STRONG AND POWERFUL AND ONLY CARES ABOUT THEMSELFS MAKES ME WANT TO FUCKING PUKE.

NOW I REMEMBER ASHILY PUTING IN HER BLOG HOW WM24 WAS THE HIGHLIGHT OF HER CAREAR. WELL HOW ABOUT WM23 WHEN IT WAS YOUR YOUR FRIST TITLE SHOT. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT HAVEING A TAG TEAM MATCH, CALL IT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LIKE BUNNY MANIA, LOSE, AND WALK AWAY SAYING PEPOLE WILL REMENBER THAT MATCH FOR AGES WHILE THE ONLY POP IN THAT MATCH WAS WHEN SNOOP DOG ATTACKED SANTENO AND HAVEING THE LIGHTS GO OFF FOR 5 SECONDS WAS GOOD?!. DID YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR TITLE SHOT AT WM23 WHEN PEPOLE HAD HIGH HOPES THAT U WERE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THEN ALL THE OTHERS WHO POSED FOR PLAYBOY, NOT AT ALL.

ANOTHER THING, IN MATCHES WHERE ITS A GUY VS. A WWE DIVA, WHY IS IT THE DIVA SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE SO AFRAID OF A MALE WRESTLER, THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN WIN IS BY OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE AND HAVEING HER GO FOR THE ROLL UP FOR A LUCKEY 3 COUNT?

IDK IF THIS IS VINCES FAULT OR THE DIVAS, BUT SOMETHINGS GOTA CHANGE NOW!!

 

[psykohurricane]

im gonna be stright up with this, MOST OF THE WOMEN ON THE ROSTER ARE ONLY USEING WWE TO MAKE A SPRING BORED TO GET A STUPID MODALING JOB!!!! IM A GUY WHO CARES ABOUT THE DOMANENTS OF ALL WOMEN. YEAH IM A GUY, BUT TO SEE WOMEN LIKE MARIA AND CANDICE AND ASHILY SAY THAT PLAYBOY IS THEIR NUMBER 1 DREAM AND GOAL IN LIFE, WHILE THEY ARE IN WWE SAYS TO ME THEY DONT CARE ABOUT MAKEING WOMEN LOOK STRONG AND POWERFUL AND ONLY CARES ABOUT THEMSELFS MAKES ME WANT TO FUCKING PUKE.

NOW I REMEMBER ASHILY PUTING IN HER BLOG HOW WM24 WAS THE HIGHLIGHT OF HER CAREAR. WELL HOW ABOUT WM23 WHEN IT WAS YOUR YOUR FRIST TITLE SHOT. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT HAVEING A TAG TEAM MATCH, CALL IT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LIKE BUNNY MANIA, LOSE, AND WALK AWAY SAYING PEPOLE WILL REMENBER THAT MATCH FOR AGES WHILE THE ONLY POP IN THAT MATCH WAS WHEN SNOOP DOG ATTACKED SANTENO AND HAVEING THE LIGHTS GO OFF FOR 5 SECONDS WAS GOOD?!. DID YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR TITLE SHOT AT WM23 WHEN PEPOLE HAD HIGH HOPES THAT U WERE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THEN ALL THE OTHERS WHO POSED FOR PLAYBOY, NOT AT ALL.

ANOTHER THING, IN MATCHES WHERE ITS A GUY VS. A WWE DIVA, WHY IS IT THE DIVA SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE SO AFRAID OF A MALE WRESTLER, THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN WIN IS BY OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE AND HAVEING HER GO FOR THE ROLL UP FOR A LUCKEY 3 COUNT?

IDK IF THIS IS VINCES FAULT OR THE DIVAS, BUT SOMETHINGS GOTA CHANGE NOW!!

So thank to be staight up with us because it's a fun little comment you wrote so since you been straight up with us am going to be straight up with you. First of all what are you talking about anyway when your saying that most of the woman's on the roster are using the WWE to get a modeling job? If that was the case, they would learn how to wrestle, they would just be modeling on wwe tv or be a manager to somebody. Secondly, the divas are pretty most forced to say that it was their number dreams to be in playboy and how a honor it is to be ask to do it. If they didn'T said that they would look stupid and the issue wouldn'T sale, it'S all about marketing that all. Also they don'T care about making woman look stong and powerful, that your opinion because i certainly don'T see that at all. So good for you if you're seeing something that isn'T there.

Now let's talk about ashley's blog, personally if i was here, i would pretty have said the same thing see said because let'S face it, her wrestlemania 23 title match was horrible and i would pretty much want to forget about it if i was her. Now about woman vs male match, again how can you look powerful if you are a woman that weights a 100 pound and your facing a guy like umaga in the ring because most of the time, that's what happen when they put a diva against a superstar, they put her again a monster so it's the perfect reaction to have.

And Finally, it would just have to ask you to learn how to spell before writing a comment because even if i decided to reply to your comment, i couldn't take it seriously because on how awful it was writing so please, either learn how to write properly or just use a spell check before writing and please stop writing everything in capital letters, it doesn't make your comment more affective.

 

[asanders93]

sorry guys, just the heat of the moment. i didnt mean to be so uptight. ill try to say this in a more calmly tone. the divas are great. they can do stuff we only wish we could. and you right, playboy is a honor, i was just saying that some (not all) of the divas were there for that reason only. i personaly think it is not good if u want to be a role modal for someone.

Sorry,i didnt mean to offend anyone.

 

[HellBoundPower]

Actually it's not really Torrie's fault. The reason why Playboy really gets showcased, especially at WM, is because it's supposed to be in the contract or something like that (taken from a Trish interview). Wrestlemania 22 was a year where they focused on Candice's Michelle's Playboy cover, but they still managed to put on a great Women's Championship match between Trish and Mickie.

I don't really blame Torrie Wilson for it, it's just that there has been someone posing in it every year since then, always around Wrestlemania. It's just kind of ridiculous that the focus is usually taken off the the Women wrestling, and put on the random woman that posed for Playboy. It's that kind of stuff that's burying the Women's Division. Hopefully it will rebound, but it seems unlikely.

 

[wzf2]

Kelly actually has been training pretty hard in FCW and I think that comes across in her matches against Layla, who's training at EWF. Though I do think the statement is pretty ridiculous, I'm sure it was said more to promote Playboy.

I have to disagree, she would say yes if playboy asked her to pose. Thus, that statement is coming from the heart. I do agree with you on the reason the wwe had her admit that was to promote playboy to a big extent though.