Why Divas Champion instead of Womens Champion?

[King_of_Swing1520]

as we all know the womens and diva's championships were unified and called the divas championship, with the butterfly belt. now in another thread about the knockouts some1 brought up the names of the divisions, knockouts and divas. they stated that the knockouts just sound more aggressive and like wrestlers, where as a diva is just a sexy whinney bitch.

now i've thought for awhile as to why the divas championship, butterfly and all, were kept and not the traditional womens championship....and i found nothing.

i mean why would they end the lineage of the womens championship. it was the only prestegious womens title in wrestling and now its gone. (knockouts title, while better than the diva title is far too young and in too young and small a company to be considered on the same level as the womens championship)

don't you think that women like natalya, melina, and beth phoenix would feel ashamed to be carrying around a butterfly belt. as pg and as "nonviolent" as wrestling is nowadays its still wrestling and it still has a great heratige.

so why would the wwe kill the heritage that the womens title help, just to replace it with a fucking butterfly belt that means nothing to the history of womens wrestling?

 

[93alt93]

I think you answered your own question here without knowing it. In my opinion, it has everything to do with the Women's Tit;es lineage.

When I see the Women's Title I don't see any current divas, I see Trish and Lita, and I don't think that I am alone here. The Women's title was something worth competing for and having legit matches over, not the less than stellar wrestling we see today and lack of legit competition.

Today's divas aren't on the level that they were in the Trish and Lita era, while they were hot then too, it seems to me that the current divas division is more about the model look than the wrestling look.

New era = new belt.

 

[Sean Valjean]

There are probably two reasons for this. One is that since we're in a new era, the WWE decided to start fresh use a newer belt to establish a new linage, like they did with the tag titles.

The other is because women in the WWE are called Divas. Thus, their championship is the Diva's Championship. I don't like it either, but it does make sense. After all, when was the last time they were referred to as simply women's wrestlers?

 

[mk_philly74]

The butterfly belt attracts little girls (and any girl for that matter) more so why not use that one to sell more replicas to them? It's a business foremost so tradition, lineage and everything takes a backseat sometimes. If all the titles get combined, we'll be seeing a new era of all titles and people will want to buy those replicas as well.

 

[Ferbian]

Does it truly matter? The diva's championship is most likely kept around due to the fact that the WWE women's wrestlers are named divas. They weren't named divas back when the Women's championship was created, because it wasn't about their bodies and looks back then.

WWE could name it either one of them, and it would mean as much as the other. Because in the end WWE hasn't been doing the biggest thing out of their division. They have Laycool thriving very well, and Natalya getting a bit of focus. But that's it, there's nothing more to it and It's not really that big of a problem.

 

[Sora/roxas]

It think it was kept for all the reasons listed above. i think anbother reason iks it was the younger belt. The WWE probably thought it would look bad retiring a title only 2 years after creation. They probably also thought it had a better look as it does for a womens title.

 

[Trill Co$by]

I, personally, am happy that the women's championship was dropped. As great as they are in today's world, Flawless aka TBP 2.0, are just not fit to be WOMEN'S champions. They don't have the same appeal to being a wrestling women's champion...

Plus, the Women's title has simply run its course. The Diva's title has brought more new life into the division.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Its just like the WWE calling their wrestlers "superstars". When you've got a brand association, you try to use it as much as possible. Henceforth, if you know the term "divas" is a classification for "women", why bother using "women" when you can use "divas" and promote that brand recognition even more?

 

[Stephen11]

I'm not exactly sure why they did that but I'm certainly glad they did. The new Diva's division of this era isn't anything like what the Womens Championship represented. The Diva's are more focused on looks and less on pure talent. When you think back to what the Women's title represented, it's completely different than what today's Diva's division. Also, I'd rather they do that "Co-champions" crap with a less prestigious title like the Diva's championship rather. If they want a Diva's tag title then they should create one rather than making a singles title almost-tag title (No, I do not think WWE should make a Diva's tag title, that would be a horrible idea).

 

[DeathClutch]

Just a thought, possibly because Women's champion is outdated? and they call the women DIVAS? and the women's belt was the same design from 98, and they had a brand new belt done for the Divas?

Why are you concerned about a name change? it's only a prop I'm sure none of the Divas care about the name of a prop that says their the most over Diva in WWE.

 

[LitasRevenge79]

Does it really even matter anymore? I mean with the new rumors circulating about the roster cuts for the Divas department, nowhere on there did they say that Layla would be safe anyhow. So it looks like maybe hopefully WWE may have been listening a little bit to the reaction of people and realized what a waste the majority of their women's division is, and to FINALLY get rid of the EYE CANDY, and try to aim for a more quality brand of female wrestlers. Does that mean the Divas belt will always be a butterfly? Probably not, look at what Austin did for the belt when he had his belt, he tricked it out and hence you had the Smoking Skulls belt. What's to stop another diva from winning it and giving it her own makeover? Nothing really, just like when Edge won the WWE belt, he gave it a Rated R makeover, and a fine one I might add. I'm all for changes, and hopefully with this re-hashing that may be coming to the Divas way, we can only keep our fingers crossed that a little more updating can only be done, I like butterflies myself, but let's update the pink/purple/and baby blue at this point, all little girls grow up and sometimes other things need to grow up as well.

 

[PhD]

Its just like the WWE calling their wrestlers "superstars". When you've got a brand association, you try to use it as much as possible. Henceforth, if you know the term "divas" is a classification for "women", why bother using "women" when you can use "divas" and promote that brand recognition even more?

This is the correct answer. The WWE is in the entertainment, and building brand loyalty is how you get people to spend money on mass-produced commodities derived from proprietary intellectual property, like T-shirts with logos on them.

 

[Terminal Sledgehammer]

Originally Posted by: Kofi Orton
some1 brought up the names of the divisions, knockouts and divas, they stated that the knockouts sound more aggressive and like wrestlers where as a diva is just a sexy whinny bitch

Just want to say that was me.

But Since this is about the belts i'll get to them.
I hate the butterfly belt. What in the blue hell is intimidating about a butterfly? Too most people nothing I'd hope. While I see points on both sides of the arguement, I'll still side that i'd perfer the division being called Womens. If not that anything but Divas. Divas on the other hand is an accurate name because it represents the division really well, 90% of the roster it represents shouldn't be classified as wrestlers.

I have no problem with people saying that it is a brand, but right now it is a crap brand, the name on the belt tells you that. A Diva is a celebrated singer by definition. Last I checked none of the women on the roster could sing.

The womens title has run it's course for sure, but I'd rather see a 2nd lap than the hole that the diva title has dug

 

[K-Mac]

I don't have a problem with the Women's Championship being retired. My problem is with the current design of the Divas Championship. They could have at least put some real effort into the design, and not just throw a butterfly on a belt.

 

[LSN80]

When was the last time you heard the female wrestler's referred to as "women's wrestler's"? I haven't, in a long time. They're called the "smart, sexy, and powerful" divas. So them keeping the divas title makes sense, because they haven't focused on it being "women's wrestling" in quite a few years.

I hate to use TNA as an example here, but it's applicable. Their female wrestlers are known as "Knockouts", and their title is known as the Knockouts Title. It's only fitting that a company that refers to their women as "Divas" would use a title known as the "Divas" title.

You talked about the "lineage and heritage" of the women's title, in essence, answering your own question. There's no emphasis or "pride" in the women's division anymore, and we've been treated to two women "sharing" a belt since February. Where's the honor in that? Not that it matters these days, but "Divas Champion" is far more fitting then "Woman's Champion" these days honestly.

If they really want to ephasize womens wrestling and bring pride back to the division, they need to get rid of the eye candy that can't wrestle(not saying there aren't attractive women on the roster that can wrestle), and let the best worker's go out there and put on matches that will make people care at least even somewhat again.

 

[tsull2121]

The whole problem was summed up rather nicely by a few posters here already. The women competing in the WWE today, with the exception of Beth Phoenix and Natalya, are merely fluff or "sports fitness models" or sleeping with the Undertaker.

Don't get me wrong, Gail Kim is a PHENOMENAL wrestler.. a submission specialist if you believe the prior "press kit".. and Melina is head and shoulders above anyone NOT named Gail, Beth, or Nattie.. but that's pretty much it. Jillian Hall is a FANTASTIC wrestler with a crap gimmick, so she took her two and a half minutes of fame as Divas champion and is now retiring to work down in Florida for Vinnie Mac.

There's no "outstanding women's competitors" in the WWE mainly because Vince is a perverted old man who prides himself in being able to afford implants for any woman who works in the ring for him. According to his philosophy of "BIGGER IS BETTER".. when it comes to his womens division, it merely means CUP SIZE.

If it were ME as a woman wrestler in the industry gunning for the highest championship and recognition, I would much rather be chasing a WOMENS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP than a DIVAS TITLE... the name alone is a slap in the face to any woman wrestler with any sort of dignity and respect and pride in what they do.

Vince has zero... ZERO respect for women's wrestling. Historically, he never really DID. For YEARS they denied Velvet McIntyre ever defeated Moolah for the belt, and if Vince really cared.. he would have declared Aja Kong as champion at the Royal Rumble after Alundra Blayze (Madusa) defected to WCW and tossed the belt in the trash.

There's literally DOZENS of incredibly capable female wrestlers not only in Japan, but Canada, Europe and Mexico as well that wrestle 250% better than ANY American female.. but they dont have double d's, blue eyes, and blond hair so they don't get Vince's attention

And although TNA refers to their women competitors as Knockouts, their belt says TNA WOMENS WRESTLING CHAMPION

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/f/fa/20090604055502!TNA_Women's_title.jpg

THAT'S a belt i would rather challenge for than the stupid butterfly Divas joke of a title

 

[jaceynightheat]

It seems they are doing away with old title lineages. The WWF World Tag Team Title was dropped in favor of the WWE Tag Team Title.

Maybe to show a new era like others said? It's a shame, I like the prestige of the classic titles.

 

[Navi]

The butterfly belt is a joke, but then so are most of the "Diva's". As mentioned before there are very few women in the division that have any creditability in the ring. There is Natayla, Melina, Gail Kim, Beth Phoenix and to a certain extent Michelle McCool, the rest aren't wrestler's in any sense of the word.

I don't think the WWE even cares about the division anymore and most of the fans think it's shit, so having a crap belt isn't a surprise. I feel sorry for the actual women like Natayla and Gail Kim who have to fight for a belt that looks someone payed $9.99 for it at the local Toys "R" Us store. Oh and as for the name of it, the WWE calls them Diva's so it's natural that the belt would be a Diva's belt. Change the name of the division and the belt will change too.

 

[Dagger Dias]

A lot of people don't like the Divas Championship. They kept that belt rather than the old Womens Championship to signify that the division is different today. Different in the sense that it's awful, but different nonetheless. I see it this way.... Wouldn't you rather see the new belt people don't like be associated with the division no one cares about? Or would you rather have WWE spit in the face of legendary women like Trish or Alundra by having today's division feud for the belt that once meant something to female wrestlers? The modern divas are mostly just models who pretend to wrestle and are only kept around for their appearance. WWE know people don't care about the division anymore so they retired the belt that meant something, so that the new division people don't like can be associated with the new belt that they don't like either. Makes perfect sense to me because female legends deserve to not have their belt's legacy tarnished.