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Is CM Punk boring?

Before I start, I don't think he is. However, my girlfriend watches Raw every week with me and whilst she isn't a fan, she does enjoy it to an extent and knows whats going on.

She does not like CM Punk at all, she thinks he is boring, repeating the same things over and over again. When Punk says he is the best in the world I edge away from her a little bit as the vein in her forehead starts to bulge!

But seriously, to the average fan, is CM Punk boring? Or is he doing his job as a heel to get the average fan to react like my girlfriend?

I see where she's coming from, it felt like it was going somewhere whilst he was in tweener mode, but I think that now that Punk is being forced as an out and out heel, (and boy, does it feel forced) it seems as if he's working with one hand tied behind his back, to an extent.

The Paul Heyman deal was apparently a last minute thing, and I think that shows, he really hasn't done an awful lot, I know that he's Paul Heyman & that he can pull a face and make you hate him, but I thought he'd be used for something a bit more long term and profound, rather than just as a heat magnet for Punk.
 
Before I start, I don't think he is. However, my girlfriend watches Raw every week with me and whilst she isn't a fan, she does enjoy it to an extent and knows whats going on.

She does not like CM Punk at all, she thinks he is boring, repeating the same things over and over again. When Punk says he is the best in the world I edge away from her a little bit as the vein in her forehead starts to bulge!

But seriously, to the average fan, is CM Punk boring? Or is he doing his job as a heel to get the average fan to react like my girlfriend?

The line in bold I highlighted because to me that doesn't seem like someone who is bored. That seems like someone who is annoyed. In that case Punk has done his job. He's gotten under her skin.

Same thing with when you described what she thinks of Paul Heyman. He's supposed to come off that way.

Punk and Heyman are getting people to boo them. People aren't sitting on their hands or yawning when they talk. Repetition is annoying and it gets people to say things like "Why does he say the same thing over and over? It's annoying." It's meant to be annoying. It's a classic heel tactic.

So in my opinion Punk is doing his job as a heel and isn't boring.
 
Boring? Punk was the only reason I watched RAW last night, and this is coming from a Cena fan. The promos he's cutting right now are on par or might be better than the ones last summer. He isn't breaking kayfabe to get people to like him, and is becoming an enormous heat magnet.
 
Before I start, I don't think he is. However, my girlfriend watches Raw every week with me and whilst she isn't a fan, she does enjoy it to an extent and knows whats going on.

She does not like CM Punk at all, she thinks he is boring, repeating the same things over and over again. When Punk says he is the best in the world I edge away from her a little bit as the vein in her forehead starts to bulge!

But seriously, to the average fan, is CM Punk boring? Or is he doing his job as a heel to get the average fan to react like my girlfriend?

Why is your girlfriend sitting next to you watching wrasslin'? She should be bare foot, pregnant, serving your meals and waiting for you to GIVE her, her opinion about the best wrestler in the world!

I'm just kidding of course, don't take that seriously;)

But to answer your question, no, I feel Punk is one of the most compelling personalities in wrestling today. He's a great talker, a workhorse in the ring, and has an unorthodox but unique look to him that definitely sets him apart from everybody past and present. Maybe I'm biased, because I've been a fan since he debuted and I was such a huge fan of the SES angle, so no, Punk is who he says he is...to me at least.
 
Yes he is boring. I been bored with most of his title reign. He gets very repetitive. His best work is with Cena, other than that I really have not been into Punk for the last year or so. Even AJ was stealing the spotlight from him.

If I had to rate the two net darlings... Daniel Bryan is better and blows Punk away. I probably would of never thought that about a year and half ago.
 
Yes he is boring. I been bored with most of his title reign. He gets very repetitive. His best work is with Cena, other than that I really have not been into Punk for the last year or so. Even AJ was stealing the spotlight from him.

If I had to rate the two net darlings... Daniel Bryan is better and blows Punk away. I probably would of never thought that about a year and half ago.

Yeah, I noticed how during Punk and Bryans match earlier this year, the kids were chanting CM Punk and the older fans were chanting Daniel Bryan (I reckon that's the exact moment Punk decided he wanted to turn heel)

The thing is, if you want Punk to be over as a proper heel with everyone, why not have him face of with Bryan, a guy the whole universe can get behind, as opposed to Cena, who lets face it, is more of a heat magnet than Paul Heyman these days.
 
Every feud he had after Cena was boring as f**k. They were all supposed to be better than what we got. Punk vs Jericho? "Aw man that's gonna be awesome" cries from keytards turns into a lame "your family are drug addicts" storyline with a mediocre Wrestlemania match. At least their Extreme Rules street fight made up for it in that department. Daniel Bryan vs Punk was amazing as expected in the ppv matches they had but the s-line leading up to those contests were sh*t. Some threeway romance bulls**t that resulted in nothing.
Point is, the creative team that came up with these things for Punk sucked ass. It's a reason why he rarely got top billing on ppv's in 2012 no matter how hard they try to push the "oh we pushed him down the card on purpose for this heel turn" excuse.

It's also worth noting he's doing everything Austin did in his career, which is a bonus for all you nostalgic fans.

"Worked shoot" = Austin 3:16 speech

Mocking JR publicly, especially taking off the cowboy hat
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Beating on Vince McMahon
(Come on, do I even have to post anything about what SCSA did to Vinnie over the years?)

Turning heel by attacking The Rock
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It also doesn't help that there aren't any wrestlers who can go toe to toe with the guy on the mic. Hell just look at Monday when a 67 year old Vince McMahon looked more of a threat compared to anyone Punk has faced during promos in the past year. Still I agree with sentiments here that he's become quite predictable. That's the danger presented when he tried to implement the "shoot" aspect to his character. His 2009 heel work was more affective really.
 
Yes he is boring. The guy is extremely overrated (both by his own self and perhaps even moreso by his marks)

He's constantly coming out on his soapbox and says the exact same thing every week. He MIGHT change it up once every 5-6 weeks, but then the cycle continues. . .he just says the same crap over and over again.

Which would be fine. . .if he actually made it interesting, but he doesn't. Punk is terrible at filling in the space between a fued starting and the end of it. Everything in between is mediocre or just flat out bad. The only time it isn't is when he has a very high profile guy carrying the fued for him (Cena or HHH).

The problem with Punk (aside from his very redundant promos) is that he has low energy and speaks monotonously. He also botches any move that requires athleticism at about a 50% rate (corner knee move. . .they keep cutting the camera away every time now because he rarely pulls it off right anymore. Not to mention the elbow which he just butchers), but I disgress.

Ryback, a guy who barely speaks and hasn't beat anyone, is exciting for the crowd anyway. Why? He has high energy. . .he looks like he gives a shit. That's why it's not boring even if his squash matches have been redundant for months.

That's also why Cena stays over, much to the chagrin of "cool" underground smarks. The crowd eats that shit up. That's why Punk's "boring" to casuals. He's NOT special in the ring (yeah I said it), and his ace skill, mic work, gets boring because he speaks with a borderline dualtone voice (both sounding similar), and does not say much that's interesting at any point anymore.

You hear one Punk promo, you've heard Punk's promos for the next month. You occaisionally get a gem like his comments to AJ, but for the most part it's just drivel.

CM Punk just can't change it up enough to stay intriguing. Imo he's not only boring now, but been boring for nearly the entirety of his championship reign. At least 2/3rds of it, being as fair as possible.


Some folks might find Punk boring; he's engaged in a program that's different from everyone else's.... and if you're not into what he's selling, it might not inspire much interest.

We're used to wrestlers extolling themselves while putting others down; even good guys do that. Take Hulk Hogan: he'd fight on the side of truth and justice by smashing anyone who gets in it's way. Simple. Easy to understand .....and it didn't tax one's intelligence much.

Take Randy Savage: threatening in every word spoken in his constipated-sounding voice. (Yes, I remember hearing him). No need to guess his intentions; he was dangerous to everyone, including his allies after he turned good.

John Cena is easy to understand, too. He's good through-and-through. He doesn't praise himself or tell us anyone else stinks; he goes out and shows us.

Punk is different. He extols himself constantly ("best in the world!") He speaks of other wrestlers only in terms of how they pale in comparison to him ("I've given Cena shot after shot and he still hasn't gotten the job done.") Sure, other wrestlers speak of these things, but few do it as well as Punk.....really, it's surprising he was face as long as he was.

Still, there are only so many ways to tell us you're the best in the world. Punk was unique when railing against the WWE machine; his message has become somewhat repetitive if you're not fully into what he's up to. You need a long attention span to get the full flavor of what he's doing; he's not just telling us he's a great wrestler.....rather, he's telling us he's the only performer worth watching. While offering some grudging respect for Cena, Punk certainly doesn't praise anyone else. He thinks he's a nation unto himself. That's his gig, and no one does it better.

I don't think he's boring, but can see how other folks might, especially if they just skim the surface of his message without really listening to him.

I don't agree with your suggestion. Punk isn't saying anything that's deep or mentally taxing. He almost never does. He's just claiming he's the best wrestler in the world when he isn't. That's why he's boring. He's not even the best wrestler on the show, yet goes out and calls himself the best in the world. It's arrogant, pretentious bs. Any time he speaks about it, it's both irritating and boring since it's all untrue.

Most of the stuff he says is also hypocritical. And I am not speaking about just heel Punk, recent Punk, or even just on-screen Punk. Even during intewviews, the guy is just constantly contradicting himself and trying to come across as intelligent and noble when he just isn't.

The fact of the matter is, if you actually DO understand what he's talking about, you'd also understand how full of crap he is. So in reality, you have to be in the middle somewhere to actually like him.

If you don't know much about wrestling, he likely won't entertain you at all since he's boring, always on a soapbox every week whining, and does not look like a believable fighting force (unlike Sheamus, Cena, Ryback, Orton, etc)

If you do know about wrestling, aka being a smark, but aren't an intelligent person who can look beyond just what someone claims, then you might end up liking him if you buy into his bs at face value. These types of people will call other people "blind", or "haters", because they think what little they know about something trumps knowing more, because they know a little about it. Punk says he's the best, I like him the best, therefore he is the best. It's bad logic.

If you know about wrestling, are a smark, yet are also an intelligent person, you should understand what a hypocrtical and constantly incorrect piece of crap he is. Therefore you have gone past the point of being able to like him, and just find him to be annoying.


So yeah. . .didn't mean for my lengthy reply to seem abrasive at all, but I absolutely do not think it has anything to do with requiring intelligence to understand, requiring a long attention span, or has anything remotely to do with something he's trying to accomplish. Like I said, the guy is a hypocrtical ass. The more you actually know, the more obvious that becomes. He's just cool if you watch wrestling a not, know a little, and want to seem like you know a lot. So people back Punk and deny every fact that's put forth, and just cling to the belief that he's the best in the world just because he says so.

There's a difference between "favorite guy on show", and "best wrestler on show", and for some reason many fans can't seem to make that distinction. FAR from the best wrestler in the world. And imo, very undeserving of the long title reign.
 
CM Punk is boring as a heel, yes.(possibly even worse than The Miz) This heel run has been so dull. Back then I always looked forward to his promos ever since he made his "pipebomb" moment. But now I don't even feel like watching everytime he cuts a promo. It's just dull.

His face run however was pretty impressive imo. He could have been the top face instead of Cena but yeah I guess WWE didn't want that.
 
Yes Punk does get repettitive. Yes he's not the greatest wrestler of all time but here's the thing. CM Punk is different. and the reason things get so boring is that we have to see him against the same feuds over and over because the WWE Doesn't build real stars anymore. Think about it, who all has challenged for the title in the last 11 months he's been champ? Cena, Del Rio, Jericho, Bryan, Kane, Show..... Out of those 6 guys only 2 are actually worth watching in the characters that the WWE Has made them be.. Everyone is tired of Cena, Show and Del Rio characters are like lead balloons... Kane could be great as a monster but no we put him and Daniel Bryan in a useless tag team. and now Jericho left. So now what? You have a Champ and no one to work with him because you waste all youre time on John Cena and part timers to create the next set of stars. So it's non Pun who is boring, its the situation, nothing new and fresh to work with.... Time for Kofi, Dolph, Barrett, Rhodes, and the Miz to be in the mix, a face Miz would be great!!!
 
Come on, guys... he's not boring.

When you get used to seeing something week in and week out, it loses its luster after a while. I feel that's what is going on with Punk. But to newer viewers, he's really a tremendous heel. Probably one of the best in the past decade. The guy is just masterful at getting heat from the audience, he's a fantastic talker, and he's excellent in the ring. If you can think about all of those factors, know they're true, and still call him "boring", then you really need to find a new program to watch on television.
 
I think he has become boring as of late, he needs to shave his hair again and grow a beard...oh wait that's DB!....:p

He's not as good as he was last year, he was on fire with his pipe bombs....boom!

Punk can be great, but right now he's just hurting the fans......
 
Maybe I wouldn’t say not so much boring, but defiantly running out of ideas and time. That’s why Hayman’s with him now. Apparently he must have run out of pipe bombs to say. His matches are still good. But now promo wise they are the same thing every week.
 
Ever since last year SS, he started to get boring. He ended up as a whining little biatch. He started to call himself the best when he clearly isn't. He isn't a better performer than HBK, hasn't got better mic skills or charisma that Dwayne or a better gimmick than Austin. Also, he stopped his entertaining Voice of the Voiceless gimmick and change he was planning to do. So now he is a flop. Don't know why people still like him.....boring as hell.:banghead:

Before that though he was ok during his Pipe-bomb times. "Summer of Punk" that was.
 
Hes about the most exciting thing in the WWE these days. Good worker, good gimmick, good on the mic and even more entertaining with Heyman by his side.
 
Ever since last year SS, he started to get boring. He ended up as a whining little biatch. He started to call himself the best when he clearly isn't. He isn't a better performer than HBK, hasn't got better mic skills or charisma that Dwayne or a better gimmick than Austin. Also, he stopped his entertaining Voice of the Voiceless gimmick and change he was planning to do. So now he is a flop. Don't know why people still like him.....boring as hell.:banghead:

Before that though he was ok during his Pipe-bomb times. "Summer of Punk" that was.
Pretty much all of these wrestlers you mentioned are retired wrestlers except Dwayne. He just shows up when he wants. When he does show up, I don't see how he can have better mic skills if he can't even write his own promos.

Punk's pretty much the whole reason I've carried on watching RAW the last couple of months.
 
Shit, funny how six months can change everyone's opinion of a man.

When CM Punk started his title reign nearly a year ago, his balls couldn’t get a breath of fresh air. Now, it seems as he's labeled as boring by the exact same people who had their mouths wrapped tightly around them. People were clamoring more of Punk’s character – they couldn’t get enough. I don’t see much of a negative change between now and a year ago. I'm still a fan. Maybe it's the fact that I haven't been on a wrestling forum in a couple months to read all the negativity but I'm still very much interested in Punk. He plays the heel role better than anyone currently on the WWE roster. He draws a tremendous amount of heat from live audiences that it's unbelievable. He’s great. Besides, I would very much rather see someone like CM Punk with the title for a year straight than the title playing the role of hot potato between each superstar who gets the smallest amount of crowd reaction.
 
Shit, funny how six months can change everyone's opinion of a man.

When CM Punk started his title reign nearly a year ago, his balls couldn’t get a breath of fresh air. Now, it seems as he's labeled as boring by the exact same people who had their mouths wrapped tightly around them. People were clamoring more of Punk’s character – they couldn’t get enough. I don’t see much of a negative change between now and a year ago. I'm still a fan. Maybe it's the fact that I haven't been on a wrestling forum in a couple months to read all the negativity but I'm still very much interested in Punk. He plays the heel role better than anyone currently on the WWE roster. He draws a tremendous amount of heat from live audiences that it's unbelievable. He’s great. Besides, I would very much rather see someone like CM Punk with the title for a year straight than the title playing the role of hot potato between each superstar who gets the smallest amount of crowd reaction.

I was going to reply with a long drawn out post, but I think you summed it up very nicely here. CM Punk is the latest casualty to the way "net fans" treat talents. Before Punk, it was John Cena or Randy Orton that got these type of topics started asking if they were "boring" or "needed to turn". To be honest, CM Punk is a major reason why I still watch WWE at all. Their shows suck ass lately and they cannot create a new star or create interesting storylines to save their lives. The ratings now accurately reflect the culmination of years of indifference towards the fans and not paying attention to what their fanbase wants.

CM Punk is one of the few highlights of an otherwise uninteresting show.
 
He's not boring.

The "respect" thing is getting stale.

I don't know how much of that is Punk vs the writing but I feel he could do much more. Maybe if he just focused his promos less on "respect" and drove the "I wasn't even in the main event" point home more it would feel more fresh.. And make his heel turn feel planned. Less like a generic heel turn.

Regardless... Stale or not, he's still far and away the most entertaining thing on the show.
 
Pretty much all of these wrestlers you mentioned are retired wrestlers except Dwayne. He just shows up when he wants. When he does show up, I don't see how he can have better mic skills if he can't even write his own promos.

Punk's pretty much the whole reason I've carried on watching RAW the last couple of months.

If you want, I can list you wrestlers who are better than him now that actually wre wrestling now.

My opinion of course, but:

Wrestlers better in-ring than Punk or just as good:

Ziggler
Bryan
Christian
Cesaro (yep)
Orton
Cena
The Rock
Mysterio
Del Rio


Wrestlers better on the mic or just as good:

The Rock
Sandow
Miz
Cena
Bryan
HHH
McMahon
Jericho

As for Rock not writing his promos, writing has nothing to do with speaking and acting. So you aren't somehow debunking his mic skills with "zomg he doesn't write his own promos all the time".


Punk also has medium at best energy/intensity. Many other guys have much higher energy and/or higher intensity (Cena, Ryback, Cesaro, Sheamus, Del Rio, Bryan, Ziggler, Swagger, Truth, Kofi, even Santino and Ryder). Punk isn't the best on the show at even any particular thing, much less be best at everything.

Punk just trots out and whines in his monotonous voice then puts on a maybe above average match unless he's put against a superstar like Cena or an elite worker like Ziggler, Jericho, or Bryan, where it's a good match,

He's good on the mic, but mostly just looks great just beause most of the regulars on the current roster suck on the mic besides like 3 other dudes, and that Punk is almost always scripted to go over during promos. He "wins" most promos. . .that's scripted, not his "mad skillz" on display. Punk stands out solely because of that fact, and that he has been allowed to break kayfabe, break PG, and attack Vince and co. more than every other wrestler on the roster combined.

I compare it to Austin back in the day when WWE was running hundred thousand dollar stunts and explosions of limos and whatnot every other week for Austin to keep him over. Of course he stood out by a wide margin. He got assistance that no one else did.

But hey, what happened when Punk stopped being allowed to break kayfabe? Got boring. That's all that was interesting about him. Soon as he was no longer allowed to do it, he got boring. Punk was great last summer. Been pretty boring ever since he regained the title aside from a few decent exchanges here and there.
 

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