IWC, CM Punk and Zack Ryder

[ellax]

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/community/entry.php?39576-The-5-Most-Over-Rated-Wrestlers-Currently-in-Wrestling-by-the-IWC/page2

I came across this not long ago.. although this article was published sometime back..

2 names that I kinda disagree about.. that is CM Punk and Zack Ryder..

CM punk:

Seriously.. is CM Punk being shot down by Triple H during that promo challenge on RAW..? Am I watching the same show as IWC..?

1. When Triple H called CM Punk a "failure".. what was the reaction..? And How did CM Punk reacted..?
2. When Triple H said he is listening to the WWE Universe.. and Punk's question was "Where'o where are my Ice-cream bars".. what was the reaction..? And How did CM Punk reacted..?
3. When CM Punk's mic cut off twice.. what did CM Punk do..?

Then my question is.. who is owning who..? And who is looking bad..?

And Am I watching the same MITB and Summerslam as IWC..? Because I remembered both matches were being helm as the few good matches WWE had for a long time.. and his match with Triple H at Night of Champions.. I don't see why he isn't anything short of impressive..?

Boring..? Gosh.. I've seen more boring Wrestlers around and CM Punk is no way in the list.. Did anyone saw this week's RAW..? How he "played" Miz and R-Truth even without holding the mic..? I'm slowly thinking I'm not watching the same show as IWC..

Zack Ryder

I seriously think that IWC forgot about something.. may I ask when John Cena was over the WWE Universe.. was it simply just because he worked his ass off on the ring..? Or the biggest push he had was mainly because of his "Doctor of Thuganomics" gimmick he had previously.. and later his "Hustle, Loyalty and Respect" gimmicks? Were wrestlers like Curt Hawkins, Tyson Kidd and Trent baerreta wrestle weaker than Cena..? I don't think so.. But why..? Because these people lack the right Gimmick the fans love..

Someone on the other thread had pointed out that Ryder only had that much time on the ring.. even if he does improve.. will IWC see it..?


What do you guys think..? Agree with the article or disagree..?

 

[cboedeker2]

For one, the person who wrote that article needs a lesson in grammar. I'm usually not one to nit pick, but when you're writing for a website, you make yourself and the site look bad when you screw up your punctuation that much, not to mention the fact that you lose a lot of credibility. Now on to the subject. I agree with you 100%. CM Punk has breathed a breath of fresh air into the lungs of professional wrestling. He is not the greatest of all time, there's no doubt about that, but there is definitely something to be said for him being one of the best in the ring today. I mean in just seven minutes on the mic, the man single handedly sold out the Allstate Arena, and pretty much made Money In The Bank better than WrestleMania XXVII in most peoples eyes. Same with Summerslam. As for Ryder, sure, he has a lot of work ahead of him. He's not the best in the ring or on the mic, but he has a good character, and the people like him, and that's what really matters in wrestling today. I think the bottom line here is that the IWC in general is always trying to find something to bitch about, and some writers are going to say controversial things like that just to get hits on their site.

 

[The "Blueprint"]

On CM Punk's part? No. CM Punk is very good in the ring. His matches are fluid and even when he botches he can still pick up where he left off without looking bad. His promo work has been good for years before the worked "shoot" and and before he was in the WWE. Go watch him with a mic in his hand in OVW or ROH. Is he the future face of the WWE? Maybe not. Although, as of right now he is one of the best things WWE has going. He's a guy children can look up to, Men can relate to, and Women fantasize about (Pause).

As for Zack Ryder, The guy's gimmick is a joke. Is it a good one? Yes, but at the same time it's a joke no less. If Zack wants to make it big he has to get serious both on the microphone and in the ring, or else he'll just be that guy who gets fluke wins. Zack's character is not believable in the least. I honestly doubt Zack could kick any mid-carder's ass. Maybe guys such as Primo, Trent Barretta, and Yoshi Tatsu, but not a Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan, or even Evan Bourne.

 

[keehlnate]

Punk is overrated? This is not boxing and this is not MMA. This is WWE. This is entertainment. I think the word 'overrated' can not be used in WWE. When fans recognize you, and respected you then you are really good. That means they are entertained. That's the most important part on being a superstar.

I can give you some names that is appropriate for being overrated. Juan Manuel Lopez of Boxing, Brock Lesnar of UFC, LeBron James of Nba.

 

[randomguyri]

both cm punk and zack ryder have proved themselves with merchandise sales

zack ryders face character goes over well becuase he has a look little kids like eventhough its the older internet crowd that pushed him and cm punk has that right guy for time vibe like kevin nash did might not be remembered as the best of all time but it is makeing the wwe money right now.


alot of people act like its 1996 or 1997 when only 10 percent of u.s. homes had internet service now the internet fans are no longer those few middle class teens with aol.

its every one from you mom with her smart phone to your little brother with his laptop and thats why merch sales are starting to reflect the opinion of bischoffs so-called 10 percenters its no longer 1996 bischoff

 

[SD619]

I don't feel that either Punk or Ryder is over-rated. Punk is a guy that is technically good in the ring and amazing on the mic. As far as the comparison to Austin, that is hardly his fault. He never said that "I'm the next Austin" or something like that. Just because he wore an Austin shirt during that shoot, people are comparing him to Austin. That is the people's fault, not his.

And about Ryder, he has got himself over without the creative's help. How many people can say that they have done something similar?

 

[Ferbian]

With the perspective of Zack Ryder and CM Punk I definitely do have to agree, while I'm a major fan of CM Punk myself, I do not deny that he gets rather overrated as the best ever, or best wrestler in wrestling today. He's a viable contender, there's no denying that, but he's not necessarily the best, there's other choices that are either better, or rather on pair with him. But not if you ask the CM Punk fanatics, there's no contender that comes even close in comparison, and god forbid that CM Punk ever had the feud with John Cena because John couldn't wrestle a match to save his life, and Punk definitely carried him.. See, that's more or less the common CM Punk fanatics speech about how great this guy truly is.

However, he's definitely overrated. Maybe not to the point of being in a top 5, because I'm sure we could find other contenders, but I'll live with him being number 5, because he does deserve a shout out. Now despite the fact that he's successful and warranted, the IWC praise of this guy can get far too much at times.

Zack Ryder on the other hand is just off the roof from some of these guys, talking about how he deserves a push, how he deserves more air time, how he's charismatic as ever and great in the ring etc etc etc. I just do not see it, I do not. Yes he's able to work the microphone, but he's boring and relies too much on his catch phrases at times, and his gimmick as a whole to cut a promo (Boy where have I said that before.. Oh hey The Rock..). His in-ring ability is decent, but there's so many wrestlers out there that could out-wrestle Zack with ease (No, I'm not gonna bother naming them, would take too long, or get too boring and obvious..)

The guy does deserve to get noticed, there's no doubt. But he's not the second coming of awesomeness that some people might easily be able to praise him as. He's not the type of wrestler I could ever see main eventing any sort of pay per view, and much less is he someone I could even remotely see carrying the mid-card division as a champion for that sake. He served so well as enhancement talent, and I sure hope he'll remain somewhat in that area of use.

So yes, they're both overrated. Maybe not always without justification, and there's no denying that they have their moments, but there's a very thin line between appropriate, and just absurd.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I would not really call either guy overrated to be honest. Punk has been overrated at times on these forums but at times I have seen him grossly and missappropriately underrated as well. There are people who love to point on that he is an internet darling and can therefore never succeed. Who does that? The internet people, a group of guys who love to make their own kind look bad in order to look good themselves. That is where all these generalized opinions about the IWC come from, you know like the stuff that IWC people only like high flyers or guys who cut abusive promos regardless of whether their promos make sense or not. Most of these are generally untrue about many an IWC member.

Coming back to the topic, Punk is not overrated by MOST people. If you are calling him the best wrestler in the world today, you are not overrating him. It's not as if you are calling Primo Colon the best wrestler on the planet. THAT would be overrating a wrestler. Like Ferbian says he is one of the better wrestlers in the industry today and it is understandable why someone would rate him as their favourite and by extension a better wrestler than the other contenders. Yes, I know he has not drawn as much as Cena or Orton in totality but in the last few months he has been as entertaining and important to the WWE as both those guys. So I really cannot see where he is being overrated much if you call him the best wrestler in the world today. Same with calling him the best promo cutter in the world. He is definately one of the best without any doubt. Comparing him to Austin was probably an overreaction to a great promo but there are fewer people comparing him to Austin today as compared to the number back in July. So that can be termed as merely an overreaction.

Zack Ryder is also not overrated by most people. Most IWC members believe that he deserves TV time, not the god forsaken WHC title! And I cannot see how we are wrong in that department. Ryder has gotten over among the fans, his merch is selling well, fans are cheering his name at arenas, so why the hell not put him on TV?

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

CM Punk is over because he's incredibly smart. He sells smart, he sold on his goddamned entrance after HIAC. He is constantly in character. People BELIEVE Phil Brooks is CM Punk.

Ryder is over because he has a boatload of charisma and has a very modern, trendy gimmick.

Are they overrated? Well, both are net darlings. Some CM Punk fans think he should have the title and never lose it. Of course that's fucking stupid because that would kill his character.

Other people think Ryder should be pushed to the moon. They are pushing him. The way it works is this: you get pushed, if you get more over, you get pushed more, if you stay stagnate, your push is stagnate, if you're less over, you get depushed. Pretty fuckin simple. No conspiracy. no "VINCE LOVEZ TEH BIG GUYZ" no 'Vince hates flippy guys". It's "do you make vince money? Yes? Can you make him even more money if we promote you? Here's a push. did you make us more money? Yes? Here's more of a promotion".

It's no different than any other business, just that a lot of people get attached to their salesman.

Punk is overrated by more people because he's pretty much the archetype for a net darling. Tons of indy classics, the image of being "held down" (despite having a very successful career), the real life story of being, essentially, a member of the IWC, comic book fan, the whole 9 years. punk is the living embodyment of a lot of what the IWC is about. however, he's smart enough to be a lot of the things the IWC is not. Namely, business savy. He knows he has a market and he knows how to work it and make it cool. so in a way, Punk being overrated is just how good he is at working the IWC into believing in him so much that they act irrational and, frankly, markish.

Ryder is more of a novelty. He got over on the internet. The IWC is the "INTERNET Wrestling community". They feel a strong connection to him and they feel like he works hard.

BTW, I know I'm a part of the IWC. When I say "they" I mean the majority.