HBK & Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon & Triple H?

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I know this sounds crazy, but hear me out. Ok, so we all know that Bret will still be on WWE tv for the time being to continue the feud with Vince McMahon. Second, we all know that DX is going to break up in the near future (I'm going to be sad when that happens).

On RAW we saw HBK and "Hitman" bury the hatchet, shake hand, and then afterward they hugged. Then at the end of RAW we saw McMahon and "Hitman" bury the hatchet, shake hands, McMahon thanking him for everything he's done for the WWE, and then blindside him with a low-blow, most likely continuing to a feud.

In the meantime Triple H and HBK could have split apart, and with them feuding, one of them could propose a street fight tag-team match, to be HBK-Hitman vs. Triple H-Vince McMahon.

I know it sounds kind of crazy, and probably won't happen, but it's fun to think about. Let me know what you think.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

Sounds completely crazy because Bret can't wrestle anymore to save his life. End of story. Bret will not put on a wrestling gear ever again in his life (unfortunately) and I believe he wants to stay that way.

 

[Twanfusco]

I was actually thinking along similar lines, I had a feeling that if dx split, it might tie in with hart/mcmahon, I'm not sure if it will lead to an actual tag match, more so 2 individual matches. I've always felt that the best way to turn hhh heel would be to cost hbk the opportunity of a taker match at wrestlemania somehow, of course if hhh got vince's back in his feud as well we'd have some serious heat for one of the best heels we've ever seen so I think you're along the right lines but I don't think we'll see a tag match like this, street fight or not.

 

[AutumnHeartBreak]

Well it's not that bad of an idea actually and could very well happen. Let HBK do most of the spots and have Bret do some chops and slaps every now and then and do a sharpshooter eventually. Have bret wrestle but not too much, like let him smack mcmahon with a trash can and kick him in the nuts

 

[proweeks]

don't anybody forget that it seemed on Raw as if McMahon and Orton mended their friendship and remember the feuds they've been in, so if anyone thinking on this idea that its impossible for Triple H to make up with McMahon and turn heel, think again.I can see perhaps Orton and Triple H becoming pals again through this then we have a part-evolution reunion and McMahon's on their side against Michaels and for a partial time Bret Hart?, all sounds possible and like an awesome story line to me

 

[UltraHottie]

It does in some way sound like a very good idea. Sooner or later, if things go according to plan, HHH will become jealous of Shawn's new friendship with Bret. But would he turn on Shawn because of that? Sounds like he would. And rumors are swirling that it was actually HHH that convinced Vince to screw Bret in the first place back in 1997.

Also it would make sense that Bret would have a tag team match with Shawn VS Vince and someone of his choosing. That way, Shawn could stay in the ring and fight and Bret could stand on the side of the ring and cheer him on, then jump in whenever he was tagged. But in someway, I am still rooting for the possibility of Bret kicking Vince's ass alone.

I really hope he's able to fight, why else would he have signed a contract for 4 months. To me, 4 months of verbal threats and practical jokes between Vince, Bret and Shawn, is a stupid idea and then to have it lead up to nothing. Again, stupid. Vince and Bret to choose people to fight for them, is again stupid. And last but not least, I hate to say it, but no one is going to pay money to see a out of shape Bret Hart kick Vince's ass! So I'm hoping Bret will be in shape and healthy by Mania. Reports are saying that Bret is trying to lose weight as we speak. And I'm hoping they will address this issue on Monday Night Raw in the future.

 

[latinoheat8979]

The concept of that match happening would be interesting to least. Bret is very limited in what he can do in the ring when he wrestles Vince eventually, so it'll be a streetfight. It makes sense. On top of that if that tag match did take place I doubt Bret would agree to it because he can only do so much in the ring and wouldn't want HBK stealing his spotlight.

 

[Rzarectah]

Sounds completely crazy because Bret can't wrestle anymore to save his life. End of story. Bret will not put on a wrestling gear ever again in his life (unfortunately) and I believe he wants to stay that way.

How would you know that Bret Hart can't wrestle anymore? I'm only guessing but I believe he's just a bit older than HBK and he wrestles from time to time and stil puts on exciting matches, I could almost guarentee Bret could do the same. On the storyline you thought of, not a bad idea, once I actually thought about it I wouldn't actually be suprised if this match happened (not at wrestlemania though).

 

[ckoneagain]

Bret has been waiting years for the right moment and the right chance to get back at the people he blames for most of his problems...what if Bret has only agreed to the storylines in place because he plans to screw them over in the end himself? I mean genuinely, out of character, screw over Vince and Shawn and HHH for their involvements, so to my point, if it does end up as a tag team match like the one you propose, i can't for a second think that the idea of screwing everyone over isn't running through Bret's head throughout

 

[Zeven_Zion]

How would you know that Bret Hart can't wrestle anymore? I'm only guessing but I believe he's just a bit older than HBK and he wrestles from time to time and stil puts on exciting matches, I could almost guarentee Bret could do the same. On the storyline you thought of, not a bad idea, once I actually thought about it I wouldn't actually be suprised if this match happened (not at wrestlemania though).

Well how about the career ending concussion he had?

How about Stroke #1?

How about Stroke #2?

2 Strokes, Career Ending concussion and he's old now. Yeah, let him risk his freakin' life on one slow, boring match where all he can do is punch and kick. I'm pretty sure he'd love to have a third stroke and a couple more concussions just for old times sake...

I'd love it if Bret was able to wrestle again, unfortunately all he can do is manage someone or punch someone - that's it.

 

[ccotreau1]

If Bret wasn't as banged up as he is, and if Vince didn't "retire" from in-ring competition I would love to see this match, but as it is, I doubt it will happen, unless Bret and Vince be the managers for HBK and HHH (respectively) or something along those lines

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

No, no, no, no, NO! Leave Bret and Vince to themselves. I think with Bret and Shawn settling their issues (well, not really, seeing Shawn decided to dump the entire burden onto Hart), Shawn isn't really important to this story. Vince was ultimately the man with the decision back in late '97. Vince was the guy who had total control over the screwjob at Survivor Series. If he didn't want it to happen, if he didn't facilitate the entire thing, it wouldn't have happened. While I think Shawn is a complete D-Bag, I do not need to see he and Bret tangle over it (unless it consists of Bret throwing a real shot, and breaking Shawns jaw), nor do I need to see HHH insert himself into the situation (despite his actual involvement behind the scenes in the whole mess). Just let Vince and Bret have their street fight at Mania, and hopefully Vince's ego will not get into the way again, and Bret comes out victorious.

 

[snowdogg438]

If Bret can't wrestle anymore, and Vince is retired, why would they have a match? I like the idea of D-X splitting and taking sides,but instead of a tag match,why not have HBK vs.Triple H with Hart and Vince in their corners. That way Hart can get his hands on Vince like Trump did a few years back at mania without the need to expose his lack of in ring ability.

 

[SickJames]

I've been thinking this a lot, but no one has really said much on Hunter. Glad to see someone else is finally speaking on that.

I do also think that because they truced DX will split. HHH is married to Vince's daughter and Vince hates Bret, now Shawn burried the hatchet and DX doesnt have to not turn on each other as it's happened in the past

My whole thing on this whole idea is not even really it having to be a match, it can just be a storyline where this feud takes place Hell, I even considered Vince & DX vs Bret & The Hart Dynasty but that seems off to me as well

but I'm very anxious to see what role HHH plays and he Will have to at some point because Shawn is involved and as DX HHH has to be especially because Vince is his father in-law & Shawn's his best friends

So no you arent crazy, we need to think about this actually. I think it's actually a given that (not to speak of Mania, but only mentioning what was said on a recent Raw) since Shawn said ON RAW that he wants Taker at Mania, Vince saying that he'll have to make it happen and because Shawn likely wont win the Royal Rumble a 3rd time just for that when a new guy can win it...

I think Shawn will be forced into a role where he is pressured by Vince to screw Bret or something along those lines and HHH will then get involved where Shawn either does it or doesnt and screws Vince & causes a Backlash between him & Hunter

so I'm not gonna go into that deeper because I'd have to go beyond the Royal Rumble but I definately see DX breaking up over Bret/Vince and another big screwjob and HHH's role in this I'm anxious to see when Bret is face to face with The Game in that ring, really wanna see that now

Again, I dont wanna mention a certain event after the Rumble but the reason I dont see that match happening on Raw is because Bret's in-ring return is PPV quality and shouldnt be on Raw and definately not soon especially to include DX would need more weeks of build up for well done execution

So Vince vs Bret in an actual match as a Street Fight is a definate Vince/HHH vs Bret/HBK in a storyline/feud looks possible but HHH must get involved eventually somehow, it cant not happen

one thing is for sure Bret Hart, Vince McMahon, Shawn Michaels soon Triple H and later The Undertaker WILL ALL be involved at some point I'm hoping directly not only indirectly for Taker, expect to see The Undertaker make a rare Raw appearance between now & April

I will bet on the above paragraph


in addition- to answer Snowdogg438's question about why have them fight if Vince is retired, here's the answer:


It immediately occured to me after Bret was announced as Guest Host that the whole reason Roddy Piper challenged Vince and Vince said he was retired was all for this, for him and Bret.

Vince coming out of in-ring retirement to face Bret will then be big because by him announcing it it'll be unexpected, of course because most of us know they'll fight and we know WHERE even though we cant say it here, some fans arent gonna know until it's announced and all in all it's just to get some ppl's hopes up I would guess, but it really wont imo

I'm pretty damn sure we'll see Bret vs Vince in a Street Fight, they CAN do that well even if Bret couldnt wrestle. Shane/Vince, Hogan/Vince, Shawn/Vince & now Bret/Vince all the other ones were well done and so will this one be and may be the best because it's based on real issues

but a Street Fight doesnt require the whole match to be a technical mat wrestling bout, it can be brawling and then i'm sure Bret will pull out some old moves as good as he use to that will surprise you all
let's not forget Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat's performance at WrestleMania 25 which i saw live, and Backlash

he still has it, Bret does too imo. I'd say as someone else said he waited for the right time, but also I believe he trained for this certain match he's gonna have like Hogan does when he's ready to return to wrestle again

 

[macksstream]

honestly, i think this would be very interesting. HBK and HHH are inevitably going to split as DX (which i thought was kinda silly that they got back together as DX this year, they could hav just been partners against legacy... jeez.) but as everyone else has said, its not really going to work if bret cant wrestle. but i do hope him and vince get into shape before they have a match, so they can actually do something. I'm not sure about having another HHH vs HBK fued though... just my thoughts.

 

[Mikeski215]

Ok as much as i love Bret Hart i dont wanna see him get in ring. Vince is in way better shape then Bret is Bret hasn't worked a match in 10 years and he in no shape to wrestle let alone have a street Fight.He cant do what Shawn did when he came back to wrestle. Shawn came back from a back From is Back issues. Bret had a stroke Thats something that people dont back 100% from at all.I Rather see Maybe something Like Vince & Orton vs the hart dynasty make the Hart dynasty stars cause they have alot of talent. as far as Triple goes i wanna see him in a match at mania thats not for the tittle he been in the main event to many years in a row already I dont wanna see Shawn loosing to Undertaker again i rather see him win at mania against Triple H. I think Triple H vs Hbk would be a good match cuz of the fact they really never ended there feud back in 2004.

 

[Brent.Elsley]

LOL. I had to laugh. Whoever thinks Triple H will be in a match with Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon clearly doesn't know Triple H or how the wrestling business operates these days.

Do you people really think Triple H will allow his father in law to leave him out of the title picture? I mean, come on! There are very strong odds that the WWE will continue to push Sheamus into Wrestlemania as champion(which is happening way too early since he is clearly not ready and not over enough yet, but that's another debate and topic). Take a look at Trips track record. For the last 7 years at Wrestlemania, the guy has been in a world title match. Why stop now Hunter? I mean, WM 18 against Jericho, WM 19 against Booker T, WM 20 against Michaels & Benoit, WM 21 against Batista, WM 22 against Cena, WM 23 he was injured otherwise it was going to be HHH VS CENA part 2, WM 24 against Orton & Cena and finally WM 25 against Orton. He is clearly being held on in this returned DX part 3 run until Michaels goes after Undertaker for a match, Bret goes after Vince and Batista goes after Cena. Then Trips will say, "I better go take the title for the 14th time from this new guy huh Vince?" It's predictable and not surprising of Triple H. YAY FANS! We get to see Triple H in the main event yet again! Talk about fresh.

As for Bret and Vince... whether Vince is too old or "retired" and Bret is too weak and old and at risk due to his past strokes... a street fight at Mania is basically a lock. If there was no further story to it, Vince would not have kicked Bret. Whether it looks good the night of Mania or not, or despite the fact that some fans don't wanna see it. It's going to happen. Why? Because it sells tickets and sells pay per view buys. And that is what the business is about. Yes, it's an entertainment company but money is the #1 priority.

As for the match itself, it could easily carry it's own weight and the WWE could find a way to make it interesting. You could have Bret destroying Vince with garbage cans, chairs and announce table pieces for 10 minutes. Then when people expect a Triple H or a Shawn Michaels turn to help him, you bring out Orton and have him "Legend Kill" Bret for a few minutes with Vince. Then as fans are booing... who do we get... Ted Dibiase? no. the Hart Dynasty? No. we get, STEVE AUSTIN! And why not? You've got a man down that he respects, Bret Hart. His old boss who he hates and the man who "Legend Kills" legends. He beats up Orton and stunners him and then stunners Vince. Hart puts Vince in a sharpshooter and then drinks beer with Austin after the match. It'd be perfect and a perfect moment. But hey, I don't write for the company. Too bad though.

 

[luis1015luis]

LOL. I had to laugh. Whoever thinks Triple H will be in a match with Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon clearly doesn't know Triple H or how the wrestling business operates these days.

Do you people really think Triple H will allow his father in law to leave him out of the title picture? I mean, come on! There are very strong odds that the WWE will continue to push Sheamus into Wrestlemania as champion(which is happening way too early since he is clearly not ready and not over enough yet, but that's another debate and topic). Take a look at Trips track record. For the last 7 years at Wrestlemania, the guy has been in a world title match. Why stop now Hunter? I mean, WM 18 against Jericho, WM 19 against Booker T, WM 20 against Michaels & Benoit, WM 21 against Batista, WM 22 against Cena, WM 23 he was injured otherwise it was going to be HHH VS CENA part 2, WM 24 against Orton & Cena and finally WM 25 against Orton. He is clearly being held on in this returned DX part 3 run until Michaels goes after Undertaker for a match, Bret goes after Vince and Batista goes after Cena. Then Trips will say, "I better go take the title for the 14th time from this new guy huh Vince?" It's predictable and not surprising of Triple H. YAY FANS! We get to see Triple H in the main event yet again! Talk about fresh.

As for Bret and Vince... whether Vince is too old or "retired" and Bret is too weak and old and at risk due to his past strokes... a street fight at Mania is basically a lock. If there was no further story to it, Vince would not have kicked Bret. Whether it looks good the night of Mania or not, or despite the fact that some fans don't wanna see it. It's going to happen. Why? Because it sells tickets and sells pay per view buys. And that is what the business is about. Yes, it's an entertainment company but money is the #1 priority.

As for the match itself, it could easily carry it's own weight and the WWE could find a way to make it interesting. You could have Bret destroying Vince with garbage cans, chairs and announce table pieces for 10 minutes. Then when people expect a Triple H or a Shawn Michaels turn to help him, you bring out Orton and have him "Legend Kill" Bret for a few minutes with Vince. Then as fans are booing... who do we get... Ted Dibiase? no. the Hart Dynasty? No. we get, STEVE AUSTIN! And why not? You've got a man down that he respects, Bret Hart. His old boss who he hates and the man who "Legend Kills" legends. He beats up Orton and stunners him and then stunners Vince. Hart puts Vince in a sharpshooter and then drinks beer with Austin after the match. It'd be perfect and a perfect moment. But hey, I don't write for the company. Too bad though.

i see what u mean but hhh will most like will be in there against sheamus for wwe gold but most likely he will help him build up his rep he wanted to give him the title now time to make a believer of the fans lol... shawn will most likely get taker and loose again or something big will occur to cause taker the match maybe a screw job numero 2 now on taker...causing shawn to turn heel finally n hhh saying what up with that and a feud will start again between them...

 

[Dagger Dias]

I think that it would be an interesting match to see on an episode of Raw because HBK and Hart being on a team together, even for just one match, would be something great to see. I don't think that HBK and HHH are splitting up for a while, but maybe this match could happen if Vince randomly decides to make it one night, or something. That way it could happen even if DX is still together. Assuming that DX does split up though, I would look forward to seeing this match at some point on Raw because it has the potential to be a really cool main event. I'd like HBK and Hart to win if the match happens, it would be cool to see them victorious together in the ring to close the show that night.

 

[TimeLord]

After watching Raw I had to admit the first thing that entered my mind was that the natural progression would lead to a Bret/Shawn v Vince/Triple H. I would be very surprised if it didn't happen at some point. As an aside I don't know why so many people are bagging out Bret regarding his physical condition. I know he's had his concussion and 2 strokes but that was some time ago. The only person who knows how good shape Bret is in is Bret. Quite frankly I couldn't imagine him signing to a 3 month contract without at least one match being involved which leads me to believe Bret wouldn't have done so unless he knew he was in good enought condition to wrestle a match. Let's save the criticism until at least he wrestles then judge!

 

[dansaun77]

Its no rumour, ITS FACT. HHH did suggest to Vince they could just take the belt from Hart. Its in his book, and in HBKS book too. He suggested screwing him as he would not do business. They seem to forget Bret was happy to drop the belt to anybody anywhere, except that one night. Fools. This will not happen. Triple H yes will turn on HBK, as hes getting jealous of HBK being selfish by calling out Taker, Making up with Bret and not concentrating on DX and the tag belts

 

[MR.KENNEDY]

What if Bret and Vince were not to wrestle, due to their obvious inability, Bret with the strokes, and Vince retiring a few months ago, but Triple H and HBK fight with a stipulation. Much like the hair vs hair match at Wrestlemania 23, but this time it would be much more personal between the wrestlers, and there would be an actual fued behind it.
This would coincide perfectley with the breaking up of DX, it would allow Triple H a heel turn, and would give a chance to one of the younger tag teams in the WWE such as the Hart Dynasty (not thats there are many others- presuming Legacy are soon to break up)

 

[dingman29]

this is a perfect chance for the hart dynasty to step up and become for real and dare say it... help mcmahon. prove they are better than hart and the original foundation. otherwise i see them splitting, fading into obscurity, and then their future endevors letter. this could make them the ultimate heel faction. i dont want to see a dx split though. as a matter of fact i want to see dx 15 years from now crotch-chopping from their hoverrounds. anything to keep from HHH vs cena vs orton part 4,812

 

[donnelllangs]

All you cats that wants Bret to wrestle again, shame on you. Bret is not beat up but he is out of shape. We know he has wrestling in his blood. He never wanted to stop but if he gets in shape and gets in that ring, I hope he doesn't kill himself. Even though I think that is how he would like to go out but he needs to sit down. People don't hype Bret up to kill himself in the ring.

 

[XgringolocoX]

This feud doesn't have to result in an actual match. Bret can get his "revenge" in other ways.

Screw with McMahon's plans on a weekly basis, have Bret pay off refs to "screw" McMahon endorsed wrestlers, whateva...Bret doesn't actually have to wrestle. I could see HBK joining up with Bret as a way of atoning for his sins. This way HBK does the heavy lifting so to speak.

If it were to come to Bret actually wrestling there are ways to do a good match without Bret taking bumps. So lets not say bret can't do anything in the ring worth watching. Hell, he's probably better all messed up then half the roster now. Wrestling isn't about taking bumps.

Hopefully however it plays out it won't suck. It'd be nice to see Hart getting the proper sendoff that he deserves.