Miko! You still post here?
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Miko! You still post here?
erm, yeah, probably more now than ever before
My point is that once you find the first one tasteless, then it's easy to see why the second is tasteless.
I really don't understand why you are having such a terrible time understanding this.
Basically what I'm reading is that you're being completely ridiculous in order to justify a tasteless joke. Got ya.
The amount of stupidity on this board never ceases to amaze me.
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Huh, basically what I'm reading is that you're being completely ridiculous in order to justify forcing your beliefs onto other people.
Like I said before, just because you find it tasteless doesn't mean that it is tasteless.
And yet the amount of times someone has refused to admit that they're wrong just so they can maintain their internet persona is a phenomenon that has become par for the course around here.
Bernkastel
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It makes sense considering that he did go to Culinary school, and the military gives great benefits.
So you're okay with making a joke about a 5 year old cancer girl dying? Or is it just because it's Milenko that making this joke is okay, because, after all, Milenko doesn't really count as a human being? Is it, as a general rule, you're against making death jokes to people whose lives carry a certain element of danger, but you're just making an exception this time?
At the end of the day, what you and others are doing is nothing more than picking on/bullying someone for no reason, and he's not even around. Lord knows I'm harsh to many people on this forum for various reasons, but I don't do it because it's personal, I do it because of something specific they said. I don't carry my harsh words about a poster around to various threads to continue harassing them, especially if they've done nothing to deserve it. Even as I've debated hotly with you in this thread, we conversed in two other threads, without any hostility.
What you're doing, you're making personal. Milenko hasn't been here for a while now, and yet you're still defending/engaging in this type of bullying behavior. It's one thing to make fun of the things he's said or done in the past, but essentially laughing about him dying while doing a job which comes with a certain risk of death should be considered tasteless by anyone with a modicum of decency, especially since, to the best of my knowledge, Milenko has never done anything to deserve it.
You're right, I am trying to push my beliefs of decency onto you and others. The sad part is how readily you're willing to resist and laugh about your indecency towards someone who really doesn't deserve what you're saying about him.
You and/or others mocked Stormtrooper for the outrage he showed at your little "joke". I simply struggle to fathom how so many of you are okay with this type of behavior.
But hey, it's only Milenko, it's not like he has feelings or cares what people thinks, he's not even a human being. Right?
What is it with people like you, and your "internet persona" nonsense? You think I'm admonishing you because I care how you perceive me? I don't give a flying fuck about how you perceive me. The whole "Slyfox is never wrong" concept was created by others, not me. I simply play along because I think it is funny. Do you really think I take it seriously?
In some ways, JGlass, I suspect you're not all that different from Milenko.
I don't understand where you get half the shit you come up with. You're trying to paint a very black and white picture of wrong or right, and that's not the way the world works. I don't really understand what you're missing about the concept here, which is: if you find something offensive, that's fine, but that doesn't mean that it is in objectively poor taste. Louis C.K. has a line about how there are children with terrible diseases in the world: blind babies, crippled babies, Chinese babies... obviously that's a terrible thing to say, but it's still funny.
In a way it's how awful the joke is that makes it funny.
And then you equate joking about someone accidentally poisoning themselves on the internet to making fun of an annoying 5 year old with cancer to their face, suggesting that if you're okay with one than there's no reason to find the latter any different. And you think your dissenters are the foolish ones?
I'm really enjoying watching you expose your inability to "get it."
So you're okay with the supposed bullying of Milenko until the death jokes are on the line. That's great and all, but it just further illustrates my point that what you find offensive is your problem, not the rest of the forum's. You choose where you draw your line, not mine, shattered's, or Coco's.
This equates to the, "because he's in the military (i.e. "doing a job which comes with a certain risk of death") he should be immune to such jokes," line of thought. As previously stated, if you feel that way that's your opinion. You, Stormtrooper, Habs, and whoever else find this to be an immoral and disgusting sense of humor can start a little club where you determine the standards of comedy. The rest of us will be sharing dead baby jokes and I'll pull out IC's book of Owen Hart puns.
Indecency is hilarious. Like the Louis CK joke, part of what makes it funny is that it's wrong.
Just ask South Park how much indecency has done for them. Granted, the "Milenko died" joke doesn't have a fraction of the wittiness or satirical genius that South Park does, but the principle is the same.
I think I've said about a dozen times now that you have the right to be offended by whatever you want to. The mentality that you have, though, is "because I find this reprehensible that must mean that it is objectionably reprehensible and it is my obligation to make sure people know I feel this way."
If you think doing drugs is wrong, you don't hang out with a bunch of potheads and tell them that they're wasting their lives and money. If you think drinking is wrong you don't go to a bar, order water and tell the drinkers that they're destroying their bodies. If you're an atheist you don't bust into a church and lecture people on the fallacy of God during prayers. If you don't find a comedian funny, you don't go to his show and heckle him about why he isn't funny.
I suppose the difference here is that all of those things take effort while on here you can just whip up a quick paragraph about your emotions and share it with the world. But the principle is the same: why are you bothering trying to push your values on people that clearly don't agree with you?
You and I have shared too much, Slyfox. But I like/hate/respect you too much to share any of it.
Attempt to get under my skin noted. That one had all the subtlety of Rosie O'Donnell.
So, to sum up.
- I fully admit making the Milenko is dead jokes is indecent.
- Indecency is funny.
- Just because Milenko's in the military doesn't make him immune from these jokes. I'm pretty sure people would be joking about his death regardless of the reason he disappeared.
- You are going to get no where trying to spread the gospel of Slyfox over the internet. If you don't think death jokes are funny, that's okay. Doesn't change the fact that I have a library of dead baby jokes that many of my friends love and that I will bust out without a moment's hesitation.
Stormtrooper
Championship Contender
Honestly, I think the majority of this is because it was me who spoke up in the first place. There seems to be a vast amount of people disagreeing with me vocally (well, typingly if that's a word) just because that's the cool thing to do right now. Had you (or another highly respected/highly esteemed poster) been the first person to say something, none of this disagreement would have happened.
Actually, the difference is that while they both do things that may be perceived as annoying sometimes, Milenko at least is doing something good in his life for the betterment of more then just himself.
You can tell these jokes here. Now. Please?
What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs that you hang on a wall?
Art
What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs that you put in front of a door?
Mat
What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs that floats in a pool?
Bob
What's the difference between a filet mignon and a dead baby?
I don't put ketchup on filet mignon
What's the difference between a dead baby and a lamp?
Lamps don't explode when you plug them in
What's the only thing better than ten dead babies nailed to a tree?
One dead baby nailed to ten trees
Why did the dead baby cross the road?
It was stapled to a chicken
What do dead babies and monkeys in hats have in common?
They both make me laugh
What did the dead baby say to the abortion doctor?
Nothing. Dead babies can't speak.
I have to say I'm a little disappointed with your response. I actually thought you might consider what I said and at least admit maybe a line has been crossed which shouldn't be crossed.
You're not denying what is being said is indecent anymore. I want to remind you of an earlier post of yours.
You've at least admitted they are in bad taste now, so I suppose I should at least give you credit for that. But why is indecency funny? Actually, let me ask a better question. Why is being "funny" a suitable response to charges of indecency? You said in that post I quoted how you're uncomfortable with the idea of your friend who is serving overseas being dead. If everyone started making indecent jokes about your friend being killed, would it still be funny to you?
What I gathered from your post is you're only concerned about yourself, and to hell with anyone else. You don't care if someone else is offended, but more importantly, you don't care if Milenko were to read about how funny you all think it is if he died. Now, who knows, maybe Milenko would appreciate people cared enough about him to still talk about him, but I think you and I both know it's just as likely, if not moreso, that his feelings would be hurt.
Finally, you asked a question in your post I want to address.
Because I still have respect for you as a person (at least as far as I know you from the forum). Conversation has recently come up about how many people think you're a complete ********. I defended you, as did D-Man. D-Man said you're actually a pretty decent guy in real life.You said:
Despite this thread, I still think you have the capacity to be a good person, but your words in this thread have not been indicative of that, a fact you've admitted. If the age in your profile is accurate, you're still young, still have a lot to learn. I say that not in a condescending fashion, but as one who as learned over the years that as a person gets older, they realize how much more they have yet to learn. But one of the things I've noticed about myself, as I've gotten older, is how important morals and values have become to me. How important it is that I always do what I think is the right thing. I think you have the capacity to be that kind of person.
From what I know of you on this forum and what I've read about you, I don't think what you've been defending in this thread is indicative of the person you are, nor the person you can be. Why am I spending all this time on you? Because I think you're better than this. That's not a guilt trip or an appeal to emotion, it's my honest opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong about that. But between the two of us, only you truly knows the answer.
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Here's a great moment that made me laugh:
Hilarious!
Slyfox696 said:
Hilarious!
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Yeah, I couldn't multi-quote that one and I am too lazy to figure out how to link on my phone.
Fair enough, perhaps I misspoke when I said that I don't find the jokes in bad taste. I find them to be distasteful, but I also find them to be somewhat humorous in their distastefulness.
No, but you're assuming all human reactions need to be logical. I am in no way qualified to discuss the psychology behind why humans react the way they do, why some people cry during movies while others roll their eyes or why some people laugh at death while others cringe, but the fact of the matter is those are real scenarios.
I don't know what point you're trying to make here. My main point from the beginning is that what one finds offensive another one might find hilarious. It goes on a case to case basis. Is it hypocritical? Probably, but I don't think anyone around here is above a little hypocrisy every now and then. I'm certainly not. I'm not exactly proud of it, but I could think of worse things than finding a joke about one person's death funny but not a joke about somebody else's.
Being a cannibal, for instance.
Not really, but I'll indulge you.
Hmmm, kind of. Maybe. I'm not really sure. To go back to your ridiculous example of the annoying five year old with cancer, it varies on a case by case basis. Milenko is a major dummy that would be prone to accidentally killing himself by poisoning himself. That makes it funny. Making fun of a 5 year old girl, annoying as she is, for having cancer is just cruel. One major difference in the two scenarios is that one is a work of fiction while the other is a real situation, albeit one you made up in your mind.
But I digress. I think to answer your question I'd say that I would feel marginally bad if Milenko came back and felt shitty that a bunch of people joked about his death. That said, he should get over it, as it was just a joke. Jokes can be cruel, but in the end of the day nobody actually meant any harm by it. I hope.
Conversation where? Apart from KB's response to me calling him out for being obnoxious in that one thread I haven't seen anyone have anything to say about me. To quote Scott Stiener, "I'm not a hard man to find."
I can only assume this is a boardroom thing. If that's the case, I'd love to answer my critics. Let me at 'em!
The age is accurate. I know, I know, with this gushing amount of maturity you'd think I was 30something, married with kids, working a 9-5 job, but I can assure you that I'm a 22 year old college student going on his 5th year (no I didn't have to stay an extra year, it's a 5 year program) whose hobbies include video games, getting drunk on the weekend, having pointless arguments on the internet, and *********ing using his own tears as lubricant. Did I mention I'm a comm major so I have all the time in the world to pursue those hobbies (particularly the video games and *********ion)?
But underneath the drinking, video gaming, incessantly argumentative, sexual deviant outer-shell, there is a philisophical being somewhere in here. And I can assure you that he has more important things to worry about than whether or not death jokes are objectively wrong.
The meaning of life, for example. I've also been wondering lately about whether or not we're born to become a certain person or if we develop a certain identity as we mature.
All jokes aside (some truth was in there, you can decide which parts), I don't think I know everything. I do, however, believe that drawing a line at people making death jokes is stupid considering there are much more telling ways to judge someone's character.
Considering the amount of things that have been deemed "filth" over the years that have eventually become praised as "culture" (jazz, pop art, any sort of dancing ever), I would imagine you don't truly believe that the type of jokes someone finds funny is an indication of their moral values.
Though I suppose that this isn't really about the fact that it's a joke about death, it's the fact that it's a joke about death regarding someone I know that can read it. I again point to the fact that while the joke is indecent, that's what makes it funny. It's a laughter despite myself, and it's a cheap laugh, but I understand the moral implications about joking about someone else's death. If Milenko's feelings are hurt by it, apologies will be made I'm sure, but the joke is all in good fun (I hope), so there's really nothing to be upset about.
That was sort of a stream-of-consciousness response. Make of it what you will.
Ehhhh I think you're reading into this too much. Flattered as I am that you think I'm above a cheap yuk, which I fully admit that Milenko jokes are, I don't think one should judge a man's character by the fact that he passively engages in a joke about someone dying in a somewhat comedic manner. I was under the impression that you and IC got along just fine and dandy, and that is a man that enjoys a good Owen Hart joke!
Don't try to talk like you're from Jersey. Yous guys from Minnesouri is bad at it.
So to sum up this one, because my posts are getting progressively sloppier as it gets later:
- You can't base all human reactions on logic (that's an argument I despise).
- If someone has a problem with me, they should say so. I'm a pretty reasonable guy I think.
- There are more important things to worry about than whether or not someone takes offense to a joke being made at their expense.
Give it a fucking rest already. We're all going to hell anyway.
ScreaminNormanSmiley
formerly ScreaminNormanSmiley
Who's joking?
Because its fucking ridiculous, mocking an unlikely situation vs abusing a dying kid. You're either trolling or being really fucking dense.
Oh yay, the rolls eyes smiley.
Most of its coming from you right now.
I didnt justify the Milenko jokes (although the comment your responding to was more or less one) I am just pointing out that it is a fucking stupid comparison, it'll be like comparing the eijit who shot himself in the arse to 9/11 (dont read too much into that, I am not comparing Milenko or the little girl to either, because that would also be fucking stupid).
The only dense person here has been you, who has completely missed the point. Which is all the more amusing since I have already explained the point.
Again, you demonstrate you don't understand. Why do you continue to post when you clearly lack understanding of why I posted the example?