Glass Ass: The OFFICIAL JGlass Thread

[Shotaro]

Then why does he come across as such an insufferable "top of the class" prick who is ultimately largely useless in the final battles in the show and movies?

Are his better storylines too difficult and unwieldy to translate well to the big screen? Or is the difficulty of making the leader type in any way relatable or likeable and not tragically boring when there are so many unique characters, particularly those like Logan who do not respect his position of leadership, around him largely insurmountable?

Wolverine has more of a cool factor, the Phoenix storyline revolves around Jean and Scott as much as anything else and they just killed him off early. They screwed him in the films and TV shows.

 

[JGlass]

That, and Logan does kinda come off as an asshole.

To me, my favorites have always been Nightcrawler and Colossus. As I grew older, I began to enjoy the internal conflict of the character. Though granted, I like him better as a trickster, and not as a brooding emo kid.

But yeah, Scott never seems like an asshole, just a guy who doesn't get enough credit for what he does

Oh, he definitely comes across as an asshole. He's a tyrannical leader that expects his soldiers to follow his orders. That doesn't mean that he doesn't care deeply about each and every one of them and their overall safety as a group.

In many ways he's like a parent. Just about every teenager as uttered the phrase, "My mom/dad is being such an asshole," at some point in their lives, and they're not always wrong. Sometimes parents are assholes because it's the only way they can protect their kids from something they fear will harm them. Cyclops is the same way. He's an asshole because he cares.

Then why does he come across as such an insufferable "top of the class" prick who is ultimately largely useless in the final battles in the show and movies?

Are his better storylines too difficult and unwieldy to translate well to the big screen? Or is the difficulty of making the leader type in any way relatable or likeable and not tragically boring when there are so many unique characters, particularly those like Logan who do not respect his position of leadership, around him largely insurmountable?

The latter sounds more accurate. Cyclops' style of leadership is not endearing to most audiences, no doubt. He does not inspire with charisma, he commands with unwavering willpower. That's not exactly the type of character big budget movies like to build around. Cyclops' philosophy is also kind of hard to interpret onto the silver screen.

Compared to the animated series, I find the movie Cyclops to be less complex and less likable. Also, Morph...

The animated series Cyclops is a bizarre presentation of him. He may be the least featured character on that show and rarely plays any sort of major role except for giving an occasional field command.

 

[nightmare]

Cyclops is very underrated by most people. Due mostly to the fact that many have no clue about him other than the watered down version shown in recent years past. I know one thing, if you were putting a team together- you damn well sure want him as a leader.

I appreciate that you enjoyed our RPs, but then you threw your support behind Crock and Merk, so you can go fuck yourself.

Nah I'm just kidding, you're okay kid.

Well its not like losing the titles will tarnish your legacy or anything. Going out on top is nice, but in the world of wrestling, not necessary.

Also, fuck you too buddy.

Pablo Schreiber has a habit of popping up when you least expect him. Here's a picture of him and Kate Mara popping up in a picture with JGlass and friends.

Spoiler

Dude that is pretty cool, but from now on draw a moustache on his picture when showing that image in the future. Seeing him without it now is just strange. The man needs his pornstache.

Also, get a fucking haircut- hippie.




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My monitor is fried. Need a new one. Fucking time to go electronics shopping. I have realized just how much I rely on the computer, now that it isnt 100% working. All my music, books, programs, projects, movies, etc are on there. Still there really, but useless without a screen to see or navigate with.

 

[JGlass]

Well its not like losing the titles will tarnish your legacy or anything. Going out on top is nice, but in the world of wrestling, not necessary.

Also, fuck you too buddy.

I already know if Saxton goes out on his feet or on his back. Benefits of being on creative.

Dude that is pretty cool, but from now on draw a moustache on his picture when showing that image in the future. Seeing him without it now is just strange. The man needs his pornstache.

Also, get a fucking haircut- hippie.

That was like, 3 years ago. I've had one or two haircuts since then.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

Sup, Jglass.

 

[JGlass]

Sup, Jglass.

Holy Super Awesome return, Batman!

A lot is sup, Mr. Awesome. I recently moved and I'm starting a production company. Sup with you?

 

[Ultra Awesome]

Oh yeaa, that's down,, what's your company about?

Chilling mainly. Tryna make time go by, know what I mean.

 

[JGlass]

Oh yeaa, that's down,, what's your company about?

Chilling mainly. Tryna make time go by, know what I mean.

Video production.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

Hey, that's great on you bro! Good luck with that.

 

[Барбоса]

The latter sounds more accurate. Cyclops' style of leadership is not endearing to most audiences, no doubt. He does not inspire with charisma, he commands with unwavering willpower. That's not exactly the type of character big budget movies like to build around. Cyclops' philosophy is also kind of hard to interpret onto the silver screen.

The only things I find remotely interesting about Cyclops are his passing on of his genes to Cable and the fact that from my outsiders point of view, some of his more recent actions and his justification of them are more akin to a super villain than a superhero.

He smacks of "ends justify the means so long as it is for a noble cause." Something like that could easily become corrupted.

 

[JGlass]

The only things I find remotely interesting about Cyclops are his passing on of his genes to Cable and the fact that from my outsiders point of view, some of his more recent actions and his justification of them are more akin to a super villain than a superhero.

He smacks of "ends justify the means so long as it is for a noble cause." Something like that could easily become corrupted.

A quick review of Cyclops' decision making would suggest that he's Machiavellian, but I don't think that's true. While ultimately he probably believes the ends justify the means so long as it's for a noble cause, there are lines he will draw, and lines he will cross. The recent split in the X-Men came about from a fundamental difference between Cyclops and Wolverine: Cyclops wanted to militarize the younger members of the squad, Logan didn't. Cyclops got his way in the end (fortunately he did, otherwise the mutants would be an extinct species), but Wolverine took the kids and left the island after the battle.

 

[Барбоса]

A slippery slope.

Cyclops as a super villain might be interesting although is he really a powerful enough mutant or clever enough to be a real threat?

 

[JGlass]

A slippery slope.

Cyclops as a super villain might be interesting although is he really a powerful enough mutant or clever enough to be a real threat?

In a recent storyline Captain America declared war on Cyclops after he refused to hand over Hope, a mutant that had become imbued with the Phoenix Force. Something happened and the Phoenix Force got split up between Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus, and Magik. The Avengers defeated them one by one until all that was left was Cyclops. I'm pretty sure the Phoenix Force corrupted him and he killed Professor X, but Xavier was able to hold Cyclops off long enough to allow the combined forces of Wolverine's X-Men and the Avengers to take down Cyclops, and the Phoenix went back to Hope who was able to control it.

The lesson? Cyclops was right, and if Captain America had listened to him, none of that shit would have happened.

As for whether or not Cyclops is powerful enough is up for debate. As he is normally presented, Cyclops doesn't really have the raw power of a Dr. Doom or Magneto, but he definitely has the leadership ability to control an evil force.

That said, supposedly Cyclops is only ever using a fraction of his powers, and if he was ever to use his full powers he could pretty much level cities with his abilities (supposedly). It sounds like typical, "This superhero might not look powerful, but he is!" bull, but there are examples of him using his full abilities in the comics, including Iron Man observing that the energy output from a full powered Optic Blast has more power as a large nuclear reactor. He used this to combine his powers with Bishop to blast through a previously unopenable door that even Iron Man couldn't break through.

 

[Барбоса]

In a recent storyline Captain America declared war on Cyclops after he refused to hand over Hope, a mutant that had become imbued with the Phoenix Force. Something happened and the Phoenix Force got split up between Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus, and Magik. The Avengers defeated them one by one until all that was left was Cyclops. I'm pretty sure the Phoenix Force corrupted him and he killed Professor X, but Xavier was able to hold Cyclops off long enough to allow the combined forces of Wolverine's X-Men and the Avengers to take down Cyclops, and the Phoenix went back to Hope who was able to control it.

The lesson? Cyclops was right, and if Captain America had listened to him, none of that shit would have happened.

"Cyclops was right" is hardly a lesson, especially given that he follow up to that story though paints Cyclops in a seemingly far less sympathetic light - an increasingly Machiavellian character with a streak of world weariness and willingness to be a martyr. Got potential villain written all over him - the leader who cannot handle having his leadership questioned.

As for whether or not Cyclops is powerful enough is up for debate. As he is normally presented, Cyclops doesn't really have the raw power of a Dr. Doom or Magneto, but he definitely has the leadership ability to control an evil force.

That said, supposedly Cyclops is only ever using a fraction of his powers, and if he was ever to use his full powers he could pretty much level cities with his abilities (supposedly). It sounds like typical, "This superhero might not look powerful, but he is!" bull, but there are examples of him using his full abilities in the comics, including Iron Man observing that the energy output from a full powered Optic Blast has more power as a large nuclear reactor. He used this to combine his powers with Bishop to blast through a previously unopenable door that even Iron Man couldn't break through.

I suppose such city-destroying power is not really all that fitting for a hero.

"I saved the country by blowing up a small part of it."

 

[Stormtrooper]

In a recent storyline Captain America declared war on Cyclops after he refused to hand over Hope, a mutant that had become imbued with the Phoenix Force. Something happened and the Phoenix Force got split up between Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus, and Magik. The Avengers defeated them one by one until all that was left was Cyclops. I'm pretty sure the Phoenix Force corrupted him and he killed Professor X, but Xavier was able to hold Cyclops off long enough to allow the combined forces of Wolverine's X-Men and the Avengers to take down Cyclops, and the Phoenix went back to Hope who was able to control it.

The lesson? Cyclops was right, and if Captain America had listened to him, none of that shit would have happened.

PLEASE explain to me how Cyclops was proven right? He was 100% supervillain. He was so worried about mutant-kind he didn't give a shit about the world as a whole. His efforts led to becoming a power-crazed supervillain that was more worried about being the ruler of the world.

If anything, Cap was proven right in the ordeal.

 

[Барбоса]

PLEASE explain to me how Cyclops was proven right? He was 100% supervillain. He was so worried about mutant-kind he didn't give a shit about the world as a whole. His efforts led to becoming a power-crazed supervillain that was more worried about being the ruler of the world.

If anything, Cap was proven right in the ordeal.

I would imagine that the argument goes that "if Cpt America had not stuck his nose in the affairs of Hope and the Phoenix Force, then what happened at the end of the storyline would have taken place at the beginning." Cpt America's interference led to initiating of the events that led to the creation of the Phoenix Force 5.

 

[JGlass]

PLEASE explain to me how Cyclops was proven right? He was 100% supervillain. He was so worried about mutant-kind he didn't give a shit about the world as a whole. His efforts led to becoming a power-crazed supervillain that was more worried about being the ruler of the world.

If anything, Cap was proven right in the ordeal.

I would imagine that the argument goes that "if Cpt America had not stuck his nose in the affairs of Hope and the Phoenix Force, then what happened at the end of the storyline would have taken place at the beginning." Cpt America's interference led to initiating of the events that led to the creation of the Phoenix Force 5.

Basically what Barbosa said. Cyclops had faith in Hope that she would be able to contain the Phoenix Force with the proper training from the X-Men. Captain America wasn't willing to give him that opportunity, and Iron Man uses some special suit to attempt to destroy the Phoenix Force, but instead shatters it into five pieces that imbue the aforementioned Phoenix Five with Phoenix Force. After several issues, Hope winds up inheriting the Phoenix Force and being able to control it.

So let's review: Cyclops says Hope can control the Phoenix Force. Captain America says she can't. In the end, Hope can control the Phoenix Force. Cyclops is right, Captain America is wrong.

That's not to say Scott's actions weren't villaionus when he became imbued with the Phoenix Force, but if Captain America never sicked Iron Man on the Phoenix in the first place then none of the destruction he created would have happened.

 

[Stormtrooper]

I would imagine that the argument goes that "if Cpt America had not stuck his nose in the affairs of Hope and the Phoenix Force, then what happened at the end of the storyline would have taken place at the beginning." Cpt America's interference led to initiating of the events that led to the creation of the Phoenix Force 5.

Basically what Barbosa said. Cyclops had faith in Hope that she would be able to contain the Phoenix Force with the proper training from the X-Men. Captain America wasn't willing to give him that opportunity, and Iron Man uses some special suit to attempt to destroy the Phoenix Force, but instead shatters it into five pieces that imbue the aforementioned Phoenix Five with Phoenix Force. After several issues, Hope winds up inheriting the Phoenix Force and being able to control it.

So let's review: Cyclops says Hope can control the Phoenix Force. Captain America says she can't. In the end, Hope can control the Phoenix Force. Cyclops is right, Captain America is wrong.

That's not to say Scott's actions weren't villaionus when he became imbued with the Phoenix Force, but if Captain America never sicked Iron Man on the Phoenix in the first place then none of the destruction he created would have happened.

She was only able to contain the Phoenix because she was trained. And it wasn't by Cyclops. She wasn't ready for it in the beginning.

There was no reason to believe this kid without any training what-so-ever would be able to protect the earth from one of the greatest forces of destruction in the Phoenix.

And just because it split into 5 (or 6, I'm drawing a blank) doesn't mean they had to become giant douches. They ended up doing that all on their own thanks to more power. They had power, and they all decided to do bad things with it.


By the way, that story would be fucking AWESOME in Movie form. It's make Cyclops not a shit movie character, and it's the fucking Avengers and X-Men, and since it's obvious that the story is not a clear-cut good vs. evil, as both sides are trying to do what could be conceived as good and just.

Shame it'll never happen, as the rights are owned by 2 (3 if you count Spider Man) different entities and would need like 12 different star actors.

 

[JGlass]

She was only able to contain the Phoenix because she was trained. And it wasn't by Cyclops. She wasn't ready for it in the beginning.

There was no reason to believe this kid without any training what-so-ever would be able to protect the earth from one of the greatest forces of destruction in the Phoenix.

But she did control it with training. Training with Wolverine if I'm not mistaken, who is a member of the X-Men, even if he's not part of Cyclops' tribe. Instead of listening to Scott's advice, Cap started a world-wide incident by essentially launching an unprovoked attack on the Phoenix and then kidnapping Hope.

It would be like the United States going into Iraq and saying that they don't know how to govern themselves, and then overthrowing their leader. Sure, the initial threat is gone, but it just caused a dozen new threats instead.

That's right, I just compared AVX to the Iraq War.

And just because it split into 5 (or 6, I'm drawing a blank) doesn't mean they had to become giant douches. They ended up doing that all on their own thanks to more power. They had power, and they all decided to do bad things with it.

That's not how it went down... at all. The Phoenix Five used their powers to build a Utopia for mutantkind, similar to the island they had before it was destroyed, but the Avengers didn't trust them and decided that they had to kidnap Hope because they knew she was the only one that could ultimately stop them. The Phoenix Five then used their powers to get her back, but I'd hardly call that being "giant douches," unless you believe that it's completely cool to kidnap somebody and completely douchey to try and retrieve the kidnapping victim.

Once again, it's heinous actions of the Avengers that force Cyclops' hand. Cap poked the bear, can you blame the bear for taking a swipe?

By the way, that story would be fucking AWESOME in Movie form. It's make Cyclops not a shit movie character, and it's the fucking Avengers and X-Men, and since it's obvious that the story is not a clear-cut good vs. evil, as both sides are trying to do what could be conceived as good and just.

Shame it'll never happen, as the rights are owned by 2 (3 if you count Spider Man) different entities and would need like 12 different star actors.

One day all the comics will be owned by Disney, and we will get the Marvel movie that we deserve. Building up to AVX would require a lot of work though.

 

[Shocky]

What the hell is all of this Cyclops talk and me not around to say Cyclops was right ?

 

[Shocky]

BTW the Sentinel and Trask photos leaked today are gorgeous.

 

[The Butcher]

http://www.trask-industries.com

Anybody seen this yet? Pretty cool. Unless you're a mutant, that is.

 

[Барбоса]

Dinklage as Trask really does just scream "villain"

 

[JGlass]

What the hell is all of this Cyclops talk and me not around to say Cyclops was right ?

I was waiting for you to pop in and help. I would have attempted to summon you, but we really don't really have an "Avengers Assemble!" type thing.

Dinklage as Trask really does just scream "villain"

My pants have been tight ever since the announcement was made.

 

[Coco]

Stop eating so much?