Kurt Angle and Dolph Ziggler dont belong in the same ring let alone the same paragraph. Now tell me, just how do you consider Kurt Angle a 'weak' wrestler? I would love to hear this. What is your basis of criteria? Going for skill or entertainment value? I would like to know if you think DZ has either & which one that you consider Angle has none of...
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Kurt Angle and Dolph Ziggler dont belong in the same ring let alone the same paragraph. Now tell me, just how do you consider Kurt Angle a 'weak' wrestler? I would love to hear this. What is your basis of criteria? Going for skill or entertainment value? I would like to know if you think DZ has either & which one that you consider Angle has none of...
And once again, Rob Van Dam is a fantastic wrestler, just like CM Punk, just like Daniel Bryan. You didn't see Colt Cabana reaching unparalleled heights in the WWE, did you?
As for ECW getting its own reunion show... I'm not sure what you're getting at. The first ECW ONS was a moderate success with 340,000 buys, but 2006 dropped to 300,000, and then 2007 dropped all the way to 186,000. I suppose the fact that it happened at all is a victory for the IWC crowd, but I don't think the WWE is going to try to get the short cash in on Ziggler when there are other wrestlers with brighter futures worth pushing like Ryback, Big E, Sandow, and Del Rio.
How did you figure that the IWC has created anything, let alone stars? I'd argue that CM Punk created his own star, as did Daniel Bryan. We might have helped get these guys to the dance, but we can't be held responsible for what they do when they get there. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan came out and shined. Dolph Ziggler has come out and been a complete bust time and time again.
It's a dark, sad day when Coco the Monkey believes something he read on an internet dirt sheet.
I was talking to NorCal about this early, and we both agreed that this story smells something rotten. Even NorCal agreed that Ziggler wouldn't make a good face, though I doubt he appreciated my follow-up comment about how he barely can be a good heel.
I'm not going to get into it about Angle, as I adore him. HBK was pretty decent too, in his own special way.
Ziggler is just bad. The reason people jumped on the Zigger bandwagon in the first place is his selling, which is all sorts of atrocious. I don't know what else people see in him (maybe they like headstands?), but as you said, the IWC doesn't attach themselves to wrestlers based on talent (Ryder is a great example).
But I think that works to my point better than yours. The IWC's two major victories of Punk and Bryan came when backing two tremendously popular wrestlers. Their defeats have come when backing the likes of Cabana, Ryder, and probably about half a dozen guys I've already erased from my memory. Can we count Low-Ki or does him quitting count as a push?
I'm of the camp that likes Ryder but don't think he was ever successful enough to be a main eventer. I think he could have been a midcard staple, but why waste a midcard spot on a guy that's never going to get over enough for the main event? I don't know, sometimes the way wrestling is booked is perplexing.
Raucous reactions in about, 1 out of every 5 arenas he set foot in. Sure, New York and Boston were calling for Ryder (and sometimes still are, to his credit), but Who the Fuck Knows, North Carolina couldn't have given a shit about Zack Ryder.
As for the merchandising stuff... I don't know how much stock I'd put in merchandising. Do wrestlers that move a lot of merchandise deserve long sustained pushes, or are they a flavor of the month? Let's keep in mind that Randy Orton doesn't seem to push nearly as much merch as Zack Ryder, and he's about five times the talent.
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I can buy this. As Barbosa said before, it sort of leaves Cena out in the cold, but I'm sure people wouldn't hate seeing Cena vs. Orton, especially if the WWE poured a ton of time to build it between the Rumble and Mania.
I'm probably in a minority here, but I really have no interest in seeing the battle of the part times that is Rock/Lesnar. Now some might say that the match I'd prefer to see, Taker/Lesnar, is the same thing, but Taker doesn't have the outsider label that I see plastered all over the movie star and the UFC poster boy. Taker is still a wrestler to me, and I'm sure most fans see him the same way.
But like I said, I'm sure that's not the popular thought around here.
Everybody has these crazy, messy ideas for how the main evente situation shapes out between Rumble and Mania with Rock, Cena, Lesnar, Punk, Del Rio, Ziggler, Triple H, Sheamus, Big Show, and Orton all being involved. Sure, professional wrestling isn't always the most clean cut thing, but it just seems to me that the WWE shouldn't try to complicate things when they already have a perfectly great card in their hands. Cena/Rock, Taker/Lesnar, Sheamus/Orton, Punk/Del Rio with Ziggler waiting in the wings with the briefcase after his own match, possibly with Triple H. Nobody needs to be screwed out of anything, there doesn't have to be any crazy twists or turns that result in half baked feuds.
Why would Lesnar attack The Rock? Because he's the pride of the part timers? Because The Rock is a phoney compared to Brock Lesnar, the guy that's been on less shows than The Rock in the past 6 months? I realize that the match will be big enough on names alone, but I'd like to think that the WWE has at least a LITTLE desire to put out a decent program for their loyal fans. Maybe I'm just naive, though.
Why would Punk need to win the Rumble when he already has an automatic rematch that he could theoretically save for WrestleMania?
Mania will come down to 50% what the big name matches could be, 25% who is healthy enough to put on said matches & 25% what Vince wants to do 1hr prior to the Rumble.
He has a way of changing his mind last minute & that has become increasingly more erratic & unsure over the past year. For all we know he could decide last minute to have Ryback win the RR & Rock takes the belt from Punk. That might end up the best scenario actually.
Ryback wins & chooses to fight the WHC (because no way they are putting him in the Cena\Rock rematch). So lets say it will be ADR(c) vs Ryback. As it stands we know Ziggler will use the case to insert himself in that match making it a 3 way.
Still leaves Taker open to fight either Punk or Lesnar depending on how healthy Taker is by WM. If he fights Brock, then we would likely get HHH\Punk. I just dont really think that HHH fighting Lesnar again is worth a crap. Taker & Lesnar would be the best idea as long as Taker is healthy. He only has a few more matches left before his body gives out- so make it count. Lesnar this year, Cena next year.
Those are 4 pretty good matches. Throw in Sheamus vs Orton, Barrett defending the IC title, Cesaro defending the US title & a tag title match you have yourself a damn fine PPV where everyone good gets a spot, the fans are entertained & no need for a Divas match. No crazy booking involved or necessary. Straight forward & solid.
He has a way of changing his mind last minute & that has become increasingly more erratic & unsure over the past year. For all we know he could decide last minute to have Ryback win the RR & Rock takes the belt from Punk. That might end up the best scenario actually.
Ryback wins & chooses to fight the WHC (because no way they are putting him in the Cena\Rock rematch). So lets say it will be ADR(c) vs Ryback. As it stands we know Ziggler will use the case to insert himself in that match making it a 3 way.
Still leaves Taker open to fight either Punk or Lesnar depending on how healthy Taker is by WM. If he fights Brock, then we would likely get HHH\Punk. I just dont really think that HHH fighting Lesnar again is worth a crap. Taker & Lesnar would be the best idea as long as Taker is healthy. He only has a few more matches left before his body gives out- so make it count. Lesnar this year, Cena next year.
Those are 4 pretty good matches. Throw in Sheamus vs Orton, Barrett defending the IC title, Cesaro defending the US title & a tag title match you have yourself a damn fine PPV where everyone good gets a spot, the fans are entertained & no need for a Divas match. No crazy booking involved or necessary. Straight forward & solid.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Why would Ziggy inject himself & make it a triple threat when he could just let Ryback & Berty beat the living shit out of each other & then send Big E to beat the fuck out of the winner, then cash in his MITB shot for the quick title win.
There's no need for a Diva's match but they'll stick one in there somewhere, they always do. You've also left off the 6 man tag with the Sheild vs. the 3 random WWE guys they need to get on the card.
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I'll say something nice about Ziggler. I'd love to see him sell a clothesline from Hell by JBL. That would be enjoyable. Plus as stiff as JBL worked he may break Ziggler's neck and I think a lot of people would enjoy that too.
It just seems that it would work more for DZ to 'one up' Bryan & other MITB winners by actually waiting till WM & spending weeks telling everyone how he will 'steal the show' by beating both of them. Seems like a good fit for his character. Plus I dont see them letting Ryback fall to Big E\Ziggler. That will just mean that Ryback gets punked out once again in his high profile matches. Not a trend they want to continue if they want Ryback as a top guy. They are sure on what they want from Ryback in the future- with Ziggler, not so much it would seem. If they were sure on him, they would have had him cash in on the Show\ADR match & he would be champ instead. They arent, so they didnt.
Henry, Christian & ___..... Miz?.... maybe? Only 3 that would be worth a crap to add on WM. Maybe Kofi?
Definately not 3MB. That would be a waste to have the Sheild vs 3MB. Unless they fight the injustice of them being on my television.
What a lovely thing to see & I would enjoy that.
Not yet.
Why can't we push them all?
Not only would the likes of Punk and Bryan been ignored if not for the IWC adulation they had gotten, but they'd have been released and never brought back if the IWC fandom didn't make them stand out from the pack. The IWC did a great deal for them.
Why wouldn't he be a good face? If people buy him in the Shawn Michaels "I always steal the show and have epic matches" role, a face run could be perfect for him. Heck, I'd say he's better suited to be a face at this point.
Not everyone is going to be a headliner. That doesn't mean that perennial midcarders don't have their place. If they didn't, Kofi Kingston wouldn't have a job.
Money is money. You ride the wave where it takes you. He might have been a flavour of the month. But to their discredit, WWE didn't stick with him long enough to find out.
Heck, if anything WWE's not giving up on Orton over the years stinks more of favouritism than it does rewarding talent. If the man wasn't in with the right people, he'd have been cut or deemed an salvageable failure half a dozen times. Orton may be fun for us to watch, but he's representative of so much that's wrong with the system.
Punk and Bryan alone riding IWC adulation to an awesome career doesn't mean the system isn't still broken. The likes of Ryder and Cabana not making it big time isn't an indictment of the IWC's value. It's an indictment of the way the game is played.
Also, I'm going to stop this discussion there. We know we disagree. We've said what we wanted to. Why go in circles?
Let's just be friends.
I can get on board with that.
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Talk to me about Mikael Granlund. I dont really need another center, but the thought of his potential has me salivating. Taking into account his style of play & the fact he is going on 2nd line of a re-vamped Wild. Especially since Jamie Benn is still a hold out & will likely miss the first few games anyway.
Im already deep with centers: Spezza, Staal, Joikenen. With Elias, Marchand, Ott & Benn being dual position options. (c\lw)
So I am torn. Ott brings in nice PIM, decent assists & will be a focus in Buffalo.
Benn (if he signs in time) will be on a great line in Dallas & is good for G\A.
I fucking hate second guessing myself....
Im already deep with centers: Spezza, Staal, Joikenen. With Elias, Marchand, Ott & Benn being dual position options. (c\lw)
So I am torn. Ott brings in nice PIM, decent assists & will be a focus in Buffalo.
Benn (if he signs in time) will be on a great line in Dallas & is good for G\A.
I fucking hate second guessing myself....
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Watching Bourne Legacy, while it's not bad, it's not exactly great either. Despite a quality cast, & acting, this film feels as if something is missing, something other Jason Bourne.
You should have watched Speed Racer again.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
I might pick that up tomorrow & watch it.
The weird thing about Bourne Legacy is that it's written by the same guy, Tony Gilroy, that wrote the other movies, which were all pretty great, & as I said before it's got a pretty solid cast, so it really shouldn't leaving feeling as underwhelmed as it does. The only thing I can figure is perhaps they should've brought Paul Greengrass back to direct this one, or at the very least someone else with a little more experience with this type of film. The motorcycle chase is pretty badass though.
The chase is really one of the only things I liked about the movie. That and the part with the wolves.
I was hoping for more out of Norton & Renner. They did not do a 'bad' job, just ok. I hoped for more I guess. It felt like just another action movie tied into the Bourne story at bits. Just did not have the same feel like the other movies did.
I was hoping for more out of Norton & Renner. They did not do a 'bad' job, just ok. I hoped for more I guess. It felt like just another action movie tied into the Bourne story at bits. Just did not have the same feel like the other movies did.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
This may be the greatest thing I have ever had the privilege of seeing
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
That's because there was no ending, they're clearly planning on making more of these, though unless Damon & Greengrass come back for future films I really don't see them be successful, not after this. Bourne Legacy should never have had the Bourne name in the title as it's barely a Bourne film at all, it feels more like a lackluster spinoff than anything else.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
But it had hardly anything to do with Jason Bourne at all really, & I doubt the point of the movie was to be lackluster. It's more a Treadstone movie than a Bourne movie.
This may be the greatest thing I have ever had the privilege of seeing
Wasnt aware she could read. Probably picked them up for the pictures & that is completely fine because she is still hot.
This may be the funniest review in the history of Amazon. Simply wonderful & heartwarming story of love & a 55 gallon drum of lube.
I laughed so hard I cried. Where did you come across this magnificent review? Were you looking for 55 gallons of lube?
I took a look at some of his other reviews, and I'm not sure which is funner: his reviews or the products he chose. A 55 gallon drum of lube, The Seven Secrets of Great Walmart Greeters, a Cat Evacuation Kit, Save Your Marriage- How to Stop Your Divorce... you can buy some weird shit on Amazon.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
FUCKING HOCKEY IS OFFICIALLY BACK MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!
Richard Blonoff
Make America Rassle Again
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
I look forward to kicking your pony lovin' ass this week in fantasy
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