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Lex Luger is in the running with Eddie Guerrero for most overrated wrestler of all time.
The man has a bloated resume that involved him doing next to nothing of note.
Remember to take note that Vader's manager, Harley Race, managed Luger before managing Vader. Race knows Luger's every move and anything that Luger had in store for Vader, the Mastadon will be well schooled on.
Luger has the bionic forearm, but that's not going to help him when Vader is crushing his skull with punch after punch. Vader is going to send Luger packing after a brief comeback from Luger, and then the Vader Bomb from hell for a relatively easy win.
While I agree that EG is somewhat overrated, Luger is in a category all on his own. For me, Luger ranks right up there with the Ultimate Warrior as for being possibly the most overrated big name wrestler in modern history.
The powers that be in Crockett Promotions saw this big guy that looked like he was carved out of granite and thought they could make him the NWA's Hulk Hogan.
Hogan, like Luger, was shit in the ring but he got over like nobody else ever truly has. Luger was shit, couldn't draw a dime and how he became a 5 time U.S. Champion, let alone a 2 time World Champion, is beyond me.
In terms of development Luger was impressive to look at, but then so is Jessica Alba in a bikini and she'd have about as much chance of getting by Vader as Luger would.
Vader is one of the best big men in the business in my view. A legitimate 400 pounder that was athletic and as strong as a fucking bull. He'd give Luger some of those stiff forearm shots, a few Vader Bombs and that's pretty much the story of the "Total Package" in the 3rd Annual Wrestlezone Tourney.
Not even remotely fucking close. In any way.
You go into the real aspects of things, Vade ris far more decorated, and talented.
He got over through ring work, while Luger was just inexplicibly mega pushed werever he went. I dont think I have ever been even remotely entertained by any Lex Luger match, ever. he was atrocious.
If you go Kayfabe skillset , its still not even close. At the absolute apex of his kayfabe powers, Luger couldnt ever beat Yokozuna, who was far less talented and skilled than Vader. Not even close.
How can either man be over rated when everyone hates on them? I don't quite understand that. Besides, that's hardly fair to say that Eddie Guerrero is over rated. He put on entertaining matches, took care of his opponent in the ring, could speak well, and had a good reign as W.W.E. champion. He's got quite a good resume to back up his praise. Luger does too.
How did he do nothing of note? He holds victories over some of the biggest names of the late eighties and nineties. Lex Luger is a former multiple-time world champion. Save for David Arquette's reign, world champions are not handed out. It signifies that you are the biggest star in your industry, something that Lex Luger was for a time in the two largest wrestling promotions in the world.
It's funny you say that. How do you know that Race will be managing Vader in this match? He's likely preparing for his own match with Owen Hart, or he could be managing Luger. Your point here is moot.
Funny, because I think it will be rather hard for Vader to crush Luger's skull in when he's been knocked out by the steel forearm from the on-set of the match. No matter how you slice it, it's impossible for Vader to avoid the forearm. It only takes one strike to get the advantage.
Anyone who puts Luger over in this match is delusional. Nothing personal. Just facts.
FACT: Vader hurt people. Vader is a guy who's stiff, nearly 450 pounds and agile. He took every shot Stan Hansen gave him, INCLUDING nearly having his eyeball taken out of the socket and still managed a no contest. Luger would have started puking all over the ring and we'd have to have a quick finish.
FACT: Luger was the most overhyped wrestler that's stepped foot in a ring. Luger had the look. That's the constant you hear about 'The Total Package'. His skillset was limited to a forearm that was aided by metal and a Torture Rack. If Luger even lifted Vader into this move, I'd swell.
FACT: The Harley Race argument's already been said, but you can't dispute scouting someone's opponent and Vader knows how to win.
FACT: E-C DUB! E-C DUB! Vader can use weapons. The end.
Vader wins this, makes Luger consider changing career paths and drinks beer. Lots of beer.
VOTE! VADER TIME!
Two things: Eddie's title reign sucked. No one except his few die hard fans that aren't going to listen to reason no matter what is going to argue that. No one cared about his feuds and he put on one ok match. No one gave a damn about him until the final year of his career, and even then it was nothing special. The ratings bombed during his reign, because it was crap.
And if Luger had ever won the WWF Title, this would mean something. However, you could substitute Vader's name into that equation and it works just as well.
The rules say in the wrestler's prime. In Vader's prime, he would have Race with him.
And as for Vader not being able to avoid the forearm, there's one ancient Japanese method that only the finest trained athletes in the world could do. He eyes his opponent carefully, he gagues the distance, and as the crowd holds its breath.............HE DUCKS! Really, how hard is it to avoid a running forearm as Luger screams when he's coming? Not to mention, as I've said, if Vader goes on the offense early on, it won't be a factor.
A lot of your points are simply incorrect. Luger in no way shape or form was stronger than Vader. He had a better build and that's all. Luger would do nothing but the same predictable offense every single night and try to end it by doing something stupid like racking Vader. Everything Luger did, Vader has done as well and has done them better. Vader would bust Luger up so bad he'd have to take more time off to heal and find a better roids vendor. Mastadon in a walk.
The flying forearme, coupled with the torture rack, makes Lex Luger every bit of dangerous to Vader as anyone else.
Lex Luger doesn't have to beat Big Van Vader, he just has to knock him out. Luger managed to beat Yokozuna at Summerslam via countout, and a countout in this tournament moves you on.
Do you really think Luger can get Vaders fat ass up in the torture rack though?, I mean I realize Luger was a strong son of a bitch but Vader was freaking huge, not to mention I'm not so sure the flying forearm would knock Vader out, steel plate or not, at least not a single one, and if Vader is the beast that IC likes to make him out to be, exactly how many opportunities would Luger even have to hit the forearm?
I could be mistaken, but this is ECW, and if I remember right there are no count outs in ECW, again I could be mistaken most of the ECW matches I've seen have been via WWE DVDs soo.... yeah
I by no means am a Vader fan but I just don't so anyway that Luger goes ever Vader here, or anywhere for that matter, I mean Vader can use weapons so imagine Vader knocking the shit out a Luger, then setting a steel chair on Lugers unconscious body and delivering a Vader bomb, then going back up and hitting a moonsault, I see the match ending right there
Shock Lesnar said:Luger has a few things that people seem to over look. His strength negates Vaders. Luger is stronger then big ban vader. Lex Luger has been able to torture rack a man the size of the Giant (Big Show for the babes on here) and body slam the likes of Yokozuna, too men with a considerable size advantage on a Vader.
Finally, I would like to offer this evidence:
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Find me an instance where people EVER reacted like that for Vader. Good luck.
Bull, Juventud Guerrera would not have gotten the same reaction, not even close. Lex Luger WAS WCW at the time, and when WCW needed him. Those fans didn't cheer him because he opposed Hogan, they cheered him because he was their hero, the shining light against the nWo darkness.However, this piece of evidence offered is entirely taken out of context. Luger gets 90% of that reaction because he was the one who took the title off the nWo for the first time. If Juventud Guerrera had won, he'd have got the same reaction. You could say that Luger was the one chosen to do it, which is a fair point, but to base Luger's personal popularity on the reaction is a little deceitful.
That's not working stiff, that's being an ass. Not only is he violating the trust in his partner, an essential element to making a good match, he's also cheating those fans out of their hard-earned money. Let's put it this way. Lex Luger was a very highly conditioned athlete, and was a former collegiate level football player at one of the most prestigious football universities in America. Lex Luger played professional football. Do you really think he'd be scared of Bruiser Brody? I highly doubt it. He left because what was going on was ridiculous, and he chose not to be a part of it. He tried like crazy to get Brody to work with him, and when it was obvious that Brody wouldn't, he left.Vader is renown for working stiff, and the only match where Luger has worked against somebody being stiff and noselling him was this one
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This reflects Brody's lack of professionalism more than anything, but it also shows that Luger bottled it after being subjected to no selling, and left the ring. If he does that against Vader, Vader will go and get him.