ECW Denver: Round 2 Match 2: #13 Lex Luger vs. #20 Finlay
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Steamboat Ricky
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Finlay wins this match...and I don't think it's even close. While Lex is posing and "intimidating" people by looking like he's going for the Torture Rack...Finlay comes up from behind and kicks the crap out of him. It's ECW, so he could use the shillelagh. But honestly...I don't think he'll need it. Finlay in what will be billed as an "upset" victory.
Edit: Lex has very little wrestling ability outside power moves and clothelines. It was all about the look with him. In a straight up ECW fight...you'll be hard-pressed to find someone that could really go against Finlay and live to tell about it. If it was in a different region, Lex would have a better chance...but I think that Finlay would just take him to school.
Edit: Lex has very little wrestling ability outside power moves and clothelines. It was all about the look with him. In a straight up ECW fight...you'll be hard-pressed to find someone that could really go against Finlay and live to tell about it. If it was in a different region, Lex would have a better chance...but I think that Finlay would just take him to school.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Luger's only weapon is his steel forearm of doom. Finlay to me is one of the most overrated people in wrestling today, but he's up against the most overrated of all time. Without Sting or Flair to help him, Luger never put on a good match. he had a cool finisher and that's it. Other than that it was punches, press slams and clotheslines. Not much to write home about. Finlay just beats him into the ground.
Luther_Hull
Cunt.
I think Luger will take this one, he's had a lot more success than Finlay and he's a lot stronger. Luger is too powerful for Finlay, and weapons or not I could never see Finlay beating Lex Luger in his prime, it'd be an intense brawl but Luger's strength would see that he would come out on top.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
I have to give this match to Luger. I'm not particularly high on Luger, but I'm even less so on Finlay. I respect Finlay's legitimate toughness but when I look back over the course of their careers, nobody can argue that Luger hasn't been the more successful of the two.
I know title wins doesn't automatically mean anybody is better, but it can be a good measuring stick. Luger did have some great matches against Sting, Flair, Barry Windham and a few others. Even though Luger was essentially carried in these matches, I still can't recall a match that Finlay has been in that I can just say "Damn, we'll be talking about this feud 20 years down the road". Luger is younger, more athletic, certainly stronger. Finlay is altogether tougher but all Luger really has to do is crack Finlay upside the head with that loaded forearm he's got.
I give it to Luger at about the 10 minute mark.
I know title wins doesn't automatically mean anybody is better, but it can be a good measuring stick. Luger did have some great matches against Sting, Flair, Barry Windham and a few others. Even though Luger was essentially carried in these matches, I still can't recall a match that Finlay has been in that I can just say "Damn, we'll be talking about this feud 20 years down the road". Luger is younger, more athletic, certainly stronger. Finlay is altogether tougher but all Luger really has to do is crack Finlay upside the head with that loaded forearm he's got.
I give it to Luger at about the 10 minute mark.
Finlay is shit now, but he was actually a fairly good technical wrestler back in the day, check out the video I posted in his match in the last round to see this. He may not have had the successes Luger had, but he was a brawler and he'd be allowed to keep his shilleilagh from the start and hit Luger on the bonce for the win very quickly. Finlay wins a match I don't care about here.
EDIT. I really don't care for either wrestler, so I didn't think this through. Slyfox has reminded me that I probably should give this to Lex becuase the WCW title is better than the British Middleweight Title.
EDIT. I really don't care for either wrestler, so I didn't think this through. Slyfox has reminded me that I probably should give this to Lex becuase the WCW title is better than the British Middleweight Title.
Well, this match isn't even close.
Fit fuckin' Finaly beating Lex Luger? In what world? Luger is far more popular, much stronger, in much better shape, and has beaten some of the best in the world. Here, do me a favor. I would like anyone to post all the videos they have of Finlay beating Hulk Hogan.
I await anxiously.
Fit fuckin' Finaly beating Lex Luger? In what world? Luger is far more popular, much stronger, in much better shape, and has beaten some of the best in the world. Here, do me a favor. I would like anyone to post all the videos they have of Finlay beating Hulk Hogan.
I await anxiously.
My name is JohnTenta4HOF...... And I love to fight!
This match was the most difficult of all matches for me to pick in this entire tournament. Lex Luger was never a great wrestler, but goddamn, he was pushed to the moon like no other. He, unlike Finlay, is a former multiple time world heavyweight champion. A couple of days ago, I made an error, and said that I thought that Ricky Steamboat was the lowest seeded wrestler in the entire tournament to defeat two #1 seeds cleanly. That distinction actually belongs to Lex Luger, to the best of my knowledge. Actually, it's even better than that; he's actually defeated THREE #1 seeds. Let me put Lex's resume out there for everyone to see:
2 Time WCW World Heavyweight Champion
4 Time NWA US Heavyweight Champion
1 Time WCW Heavyweight Champion
1994 Royal Rumble Winner
He has defeated, in no particular order:
#1 seeds Hulk Hogan (For the WCW Heavyweight Championship), Randy Savage, and Bret Hart (For his lone WCW United States Heavyweight Championship)
Ric Flair, Sting, Barry Windham, Stan Hansen, Michael Hayes, Nikita Koloff, Arn Anderson, Yokozuna, Mr. Perfect, The Great Muta, Ron Simmons
Seems like a veritable list of who's who in the world of wrestling, right?
Which is why it makes it such a difficult choice to go with Finlay. Under any other organization, this match would go to Luger. But this is under extreme rules in ECW.
Everyone talks so much about the shillelagh and the midget, but Finlay is one of the toughest sons of guns you'll ever meet. This is the same man who suffered a lacerated nerve in his leg, nearly had to have it amputated, and decided to try and come back, and is still wrestling to this day.This man is underrated for his ability to use a weapon, and I feel like he could have really survived in the classic ECW.
Who knew WCW circa 2000 would help me make a point? Anyway, this match is one of the convoluted and clusterfucky matches you'll ever find. But it's also a pretty ghood showing of what to expect from Fit Finlay in type of atmosphere.
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Fit Finlay is as tough a man as you're ever going to find. You can beat on him, and beat on him, but he'll just keep coming back at you with more in his arsenal. There's a reason this guy is put into matches like MITB. True, he's no high flyer, but when he uses a weapon, he uses it unlike any other man this side of Terry Funk.
And if that won't do you any good, how about this fact.... The man can mat wrestle. Watch this match (actually, more or less, it's pretty much a fight) with Satoshi Kojima. This is the first man to ever hold the IWGP and the Triple Crown Championship at the same time. And just watch as Finlay completely demolishes him.
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Lex Luger would have been a great dark horse pick under any other region. In the WCW, he could have easily made a final four the likes of which would make the smarks shout in outrage.
But this is ECW. And Lex Luger is in far over his head in this atmosphere.
Finlay in a bloodbath.
This match was the most difficult of all matches for me to pick in this entire tournament. Lex Luger was never a great wrestler, but goddamn, he was pushed to the moon like no other. He, unlike Finlay, is a former multiple time world heavyweight champion. A couple of days ago, I made an error, and said that I thought that Ricky Steamboat was the lowest seeded wrestler in the entire tournament to defeat two #1 seeds cleanly. That distinction actually belongs to Lex Luger, to the best of my knowledge. Actually, it's even better than that; he's actually defeated THREE #1 seeds. Let me put Lex's resume out there for everyone to see:
2 Time WCW World Heavyweight Champion
4 Time NWA US Heavyweight Champion
1 Time WCW Heavyweight Champion
1994 Royal Rumble Winner
He has defeated, in no particular order:
#1 seeds Hulk Hogan (For the WCW Heavyweight Championship), Randy Savage, and Bret Hart (For his lone WCW United States Heavyweight Championship)
Ric Flair, Sting, Barry Windham, Stan Hansen, Michael Hayes, Nikita Koloff, Arn Anderson, Yokozuna, Mr. Perfect, The Great Muta, Ron Simmons
Seems like a veritable list of who's who in the world of wrestling, right?
Which is why it makes it such a difficult choice to go with Finlay. Under any other organization, this match would go to Luger. But this is under extreme rules in ECW.
Everyone talks so much about the shillelagh and the midget, but Finlay is one of the toughest sons of guns you'll ever meet. This is the same man who suffered a lacerated nerve in his leg, nearly had to have it amputated, and decided to try and come back, and is still wrestling to this day.This man is underrated for his ability to use a weapon, and I feel like he could have really survived in the classic ECW.
Who knew WCW circa 2000 would help me make a point? Anyway, this match is one of the convoluted and clusterfucky matches you'll ever find. But it's also a pretty ghood showing of what to expect from Fit Finlay in type of atmosphere.
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Fit Finlay is as tough a man as you're ever going to find. You can beat on him, and beat on him, but he'll just keep coming back at you with more in his arsenal. There's a reason this guy is put into matches like MITB. True, he's no high flyer, but when he uses a weapon, he uses it unlike any other man this side of Terry Funk.
And if that won't do you any good, how about this fact.... The man can mat wrestle. Watch this match (actually, more or less, it's pretty much a fight) with Satoshi Kojima. This is the first man to ever hold the IWGP and the Triple Crown Championship at the same time. And just watch as Finlay completely demolishes him.
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Lex Luger would have been a great dark horse pick under any other region. In the WCW, he could have easily made a final four the likes of which would make the smarks shout in outrage.
But this is ECW. And Lex Luger is in far over his head in this atmosphere.
Finlay in a bloodbath.
So, what you're saying is that because the match is in ECW, we throw out all reasonable credentials, and go with what we perceive as the better bleeder? That makes zero sense.
Lex Luger was as tough as they come, and anyone who says otherwise is full of shit. Not to mention, that just because the match is in ECW, it doesn't mean we're going to be seeing tacks, barbwire, flaming tables, etc. I'm quite certain I've seen several ECW matches where the guys, you know, wrestled. Poorly they wrestled, but weapons didn't come into it.
The fact that people rely on Finlay using weapons is more than enough proof that Lex Luger is the superior worker. And that he is the guy you should be voting to the next round. And, to leave you,the poster, on a good note:
But, he doesn't have a 2 foot club, so I guess he can't win, right?
Lex Luger wins this and barely breaks a sweat.
What I'm saying, and what you seem to be misinterpreting, is the fact that another type of style is needed to survive in ECW. I've already said the credentials mean a lot.
You know, we're all of full of shit. X-Pac more so than anyone else.
Multiple boys backstage with him at WCW and WWE during his tenures there would argue the fact. How many times have we heard him described as a "prima donna". But that's backstage, and doesn't matter in this tournament.
I never said Lex was not a tough individual. I'm simply stating that he's nowhere near as tough as Fit Finlay. Again, the man almost lost a limb in the ring. I think I'll take that over anything that's happened to Flexy Lexy
Don't you love it when someone oversterps their points?
Are you really about to tell me Lex Luger is a better technician than Fit Finlay? That's partially the reason that I put up the video of him working with Kojima. Kojima's a very respected name in Japan, namely for his technician style. And Fit made him tap in a pretty decisive matter, don't you think?
Ok, fine, here's what we'll do... We'll move this match to a WWE ring. We won't have weapons. We'll completely re-do the order of the tournament, just so you can have your match with no weapons?
I don't understand how you can ignore the presence of weapons, Especially in an ECW ring. They are there. And if you think Finlay's going to hesitate to use them, then you are truly bat-shit crazy.
But, he doesn't have a 2 foot club, so I guess he can't win, right?
No, but in the battle between shillelagh and the human skull, the shillelagh is undefeated.
I'm just saying the man holding the big stick's probably has a better chance of winning it if he uses it. And I'm pretty sure Finlay will, he's never hesitated before.
We Shall see, sir.
And what style would that be? Sandman's style? Dean Malenko's style? Rey Mysterio's style? Mike Awesome's style? RVD's style? Taz's style?
I don't get it, what style are we talking about. Because it appears to me that, with the workers I listed above, that just about every style has been accounted for in ECW, and with reasonable success.
So, explain to me again what's wrong with Luger's style in an ECW ring.
Being a prima donna, and being tough are two entirely separate things. Terrell Owens is a prima donna, but that doesn't mean he won't go over the middle to catch passes.
Owen Hart literally died in the ring. Does that make him tough too? Silly reasoning. Lex is a former World Champion, was the star of both WCW and WWF at different times, and has defeated countless Hall of Famers. And the only reason he wasn't the star of ECW is because he was far too good for them.
Do you really think that Finlay is a better technician than Randy Savage or Bret Hart? Do you think Finlay is tougher than Stan Hansen or Nikita Koloff? Do you really think that Finlay is more accomplished than The Great Muta, Ric Flair or Hulk Hogan?
Luger has beaten all of them. ALL of them. Finlay's some guy who will never be able to touch the quality of worker that Lex Luger has already proven himself better than.
What I'm saying is that trying to say that Finlay should advance, simply because weapons MIGHT be used is completely asinine. Maybe the bell rings, Luger charges at Finlay, gives him a good forearm shiver, and the match is over. No weapons come into play.
Then again, who is to say that Lex Luger is an incompetent weapons wielder? I mean, is it really that hard to swing a chair or set up a table? You're reading WAY too much into this ECW thing.
This is a no contest. There is no category that Finlay fits in that Luger hasn't already beaten, and when your lone reservation comes from the fact that weapons MIGHT be used, then you know you're backing a losing cause.
Lex Luger to advance.
Finlay has always sucked; Luger hasn't.
Seriously, what has Finlay ever done? I remember a couple of good matches against Chris Benoit in WCW, but that's it. And he was against Chris fucking Benoit; a person who had great matches against EVERYONE.
Lex Luger, on the other hand, has been apart of some of the biggest, most exciting moments in wrestling history. To being the longest reigning US Champion of all time to slamming Yokozuna to defeating Hulk Hogan on Nitro for the WCW World Title while the crowd went absolutely insane... Luger has played a very huge part in the history of this wonderful business. Plus, he was apart of one of the greatest matches I've ever seen when he and Sting teamed up to face the Steiner Brothers at SuperBrawl.
Now, with that said, again... what the fuck has Finlay ever done? That's right, nothing, except get carried by Benoit in matches that most have forgotten about by now anyway.
Luger should win this and it shouldn't even be close.
Seriously, what has Finlay ever done? I remember a couple of good matches against Chris Benoit in WCW, but that's it. And he was against Chris fucking Benoit; a person who had great matches against EVERYONE.
Lex Luger, on the other hand, has been apart of some of the biggest, most exciting moments in wrestling history. To being the longest reigning US Champion of all time to slamming Yokozuna to defeating Hulk Hogan on Nitro for the WCW World Title while the crowd went absolutely insane... Luger has played a very huge part in the history of this wonderful business. Plus, he was apart of one of the greatest matches I've ever seen when he and Sting teamed up to face the Steiner Brothers at SuperBrawl.
Now, with that said, again... what the fuck has Finlay ever done? That's right, nothing, except get carried by Benoit in matches that most have forgotten about by now anyway.
Luger should win this and it shouldn't even be close.
Power.
Hardcore.
Technical.
High-flying.
Brawler.
He did that kicking thing.
He liked to use suplexes a lot.
I don't get it; what style are we talking about?*
Nothing at all.
He also gets lazy. He led the league in dropped passes.
If he was tough, he would have lived. Pussy.
If I'm not mistaken, so was Finlay.
David Arquette was WCW World Champion, thus making him their star. The Great Khali was WWE Champion, thus making him their star. What's your point?
Mr. Kennedy defeated 8 World Champions in a single year, some future hall-of-famers. Lex Luger didn't beat that many. Therefore, by your logic, Mr. Kennedy > Lex Luger.
He's pretty solid.
It could be argued. Finlay is still doing his thing at 50.
No, but Triple H is more accomplished than Hulk Hogan. Is Triple H better than Hulk Hogan?
Probably not. He didn't wrestle most of them during his career.
Why?
Finlay's much smarter than that. He's one of the smartest wrestlers left in this tournament. He wouldn't let that happen. Finlay would duck under and drive his shilalegh into his knee.
I've said the same thing in other threads defending wrestlers who never did much weapons stuff. You make a fair point, but Finlay can also swing chairs and set up tables.
Weapons will come into play. Finlay is smart enough to know that he is smaller, less athletic, weaker, and older. He'll not let Luger get within arms reach. I expect that he doesn't let the shilalegh out of his hand the entire match through.
Finlay to advance.
I'm shocked you don't see what most of these wrestlers have in common. The style you seem to be ignoring is a very stiff one. All of the wrestlers you mentioned in this article, with the exception of Rey Mysterio, are notoriously stiff. Tajiri, Tanaka, Sandman, Awesome, and especially RVD and Taz. All of them are notoriously stiff in the ring. As is Finlay. He's as stiff as they come.
And what do I also have to add to that? Simply the fact that Lex doesn't work too well against stiff wrestlers. Let's take someone that is a veteran, and works a very stiff style, just like Finlay. He's also a man, who like Finlay, is relatively a mid carder. That would be Haku/Meng.
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Stiff worker. Mid-carder. And Meng takes him down with relative ease. What's not to say Finlay could do the exact same thing.
The style simply works better for Finlay. Again, after a couple of potatoes on Finlay's part, what's not to say Lex wouldn't lie down. It's not like he's the most relient of individuals. He's actually relatively weak to pain. And Finlay's style works to inflicting as much pain as possible. Something that would easily frustrate and torment Lex.
No, but it's obviously easy to play mind games on a man like that. It's very easy to throw Lex off of his mental game, much like it is easy to throw Owens off of his game. It's what you do with a
You're pulling out an extreme case, and it doesn't even relate to the situation. What need did you have to pull up Owen's death?
So was David Arquette. And if we really want to get all kayfabe on it, he pretty much didn't lose the belt as much as he gave the win to Jeff Jarrett. He lso beat Tank Abbott in his reign. Wanna give him a high seed?
He was a star in WCW because they had no stars. Ric Flair was leaving. Sting wasn't near ready to take the torch. Big Van Vader was still in Japan. Dusty had defected. The Horsemen were dissolving. In his later run at WCW, he was a star, because everyone had defected to the NWO, and Sting was not wrestling at the time. As soon as Sting returned to full time action, he was sent right back to where he belonged, in a mid-card position. He never got a serious chance at the WCW title, because WCW no longer needed him.
The WWF saw a chiseled physique, and gave him a push he didn't deserve. Even during the push, he never was give the strap. Lex was given every chance, but Vince would not let him win the title. Shouldn't that say a lot?
How'd going to ECW work for Mick Foley? How about Stone Cold? Rey Mysterio? Chris Benoit? Too Cold Scorpio? Raven? Taz? Do you mean to tell me that these legends of wrestling were also too god for ECW? I'd like to know what you have against ECW
He doesn't have to be. He just has to be a better ring technician than Lex. And please don't even begin to insinuate Lex was a better technician than the men you just mentioned. Quite frankly, how dare you?
Again, just has to be tougher than Lexy. Doesn't matter if he's as tough as Stan Hansen or Nikita Koloff. And to answer your question, yes, yes I do.
Well, you went from implying to directly stating Lex is better than Bret Hart. Congratulations, that is the fool's argument.
Finlay is smarter than that, and craftier than that as well. He will use weapons.
All Finlay has to be is better at using weapons than Lex. And even you know that to be untrue.
Again, we shall see.
The list of talent Lugar has beaten puts the advantage in his corner. That said, Finlay's rough and tough style makes this anything but an easy victory. I honestly have faith that a Luger weathers anything Finlay can throw and wins after a good fight.
PS, to the above poster, RVD is stiff? I'm like the biggest RVD mark ever, but a lot of his offense is weak and sloppy... Just because he botches once in a while and really fucks someone up, doesn't mean he's a stiff worker.
PS, to the above poster, RVD is stiff? I'm like the biggest RVD mark ever, but a lot of his offense is weak and sloppy... Just because he botches once in a while and really fucks someone up, doesn't mean he's a stiff worker.
This match would be a messy bloody hell hole. Finlay is as tough as they come and Luger is as strong as they come. I think Luger would fare ok in ECW and Finlay would be at home here. I'm not a fan of either of these two and I think both are pretty overrated, but looking at accomplishments, Luger takes that and I think he could handle an ECW environment and win it.
I respect Luger as a wrestler, but this will hardly be a wrestling match. Finlay will turn this into a fight, and there's no way Luger can brawl like him. This will turn into a horribly ugly bloodbath, and spread out onto the streets, and into the locker room, and whereever else they damn well please, but Finlay will still have his trusty shillelagh, and that will decide the outcome.
Ahhh damn it, I voted for Finlay when I meant to vote for Luger, fuck me. Well, this will prove I don't rig this thing if Finlay goes onto win.
Now why I should have voted for Luger.
Finlay, I love watching the guy, and think he is great. Hell, he's probably the only 50 year old man that has looked good week in and week out on TV, that's how good he is. The problem is, his resume. He's had a short career here stateside (a decade is long, but most of his career was elsewhere), and for the most part, the rest of his career is relatively obscure.
Luger on the other hand was, supposed to be, a WWF champion, and was a WCW and NWA champion. The guy has victories over just about every body. Plus, that steel plate in his elbow that he used to kayfabe KO guy sin the ring, suddenly becomes very legal. Luger wouldn't even need to put Finlay n the Torture Rack, a flying forearm and this is done.
Now why I should have voted for Luger.
Finlay, I love watching the guy, and think he is great. Hell, he's probably the only 50 year old man that has looked good week in and week out on TV, that's how good he is. The problem is, his resume. He's had a short career here stateside (a decade is long, but most of his career was elsewhere), and for the most part, the rest of his career is relatively obscure.
Luger on the other hand was, supposed to be, a WWF champion, and was a WCW and NWA champion. The guy has victories over just about every body. Plus, that steel plate in his elbow that he used to kayfabe KO guy sin the ring, suddenly becomes very legal. Luger wouldn't even need to put Finlay n the Torture Rack, a flying forearm and this is done.