Does Every Raw Have To End With Cena?

[CelticCorey]

Ok I was a little fed up tonight. I'll give Cena props. He did a good promo but was that whole Summer of Punk thing the headline all this summer JUST because it involved Cena? I know people who will respond to this will use the top draw argument but this is getting a little bit silly.

They couldn't have had the match a little earlier and then have the Cena run in and THEN Nash tries to explain himself with Punk coming out to have that EPIC war of words? I mean that was freaking amazing. Imagien the cliffhanger for next week if RAW ended that way tonight with Punk having to leave and then the stare down on the titantron and in the ring?

But noooooo! Gotta get Cena! Can't trust Punk! Even though he's over as can be. I'm excited for this storyline. I want to see what they will come up with next week. Punk once again showed his overness tonight with all those chants and so many Punk t-shirts again in the crowd.

Maybe I'm just getting myself worked up but seriously why couldn't this have been the next to last segment? Are you seriously telling me Cena/Del Rio is more important than Punk JUST BECAUSE it has Cena in it? Was this the main focus of the WWE JUST because of Cena? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?

I feared it would be the more of the same stuff. With ALL that happened last night, with so many questions, you end the show with Cena/Del Rio.

Nice, WWE.

 

[H33LTurn]

Yes it is, because Cena is at the top of the company regardless who made a shoot promo that the IWC liked and got a bunch of people to jump on his bandwagon, some who will jump off next week if they keep it up with the Kevin Nash stuff. Not only did it have Cena in it, but it was about the WWE title and it had to be right after the main event, which was Del Rio vs Rey Mysterio. It all made up for a great ending to RAW. CM Punk is not above Cena or the WWE title.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Waaaah, waaaah, waaaah. Just shut up with this shit. If you were smart enough, the main ending of Raw FOUR weeks ago was Vince and HHH. You amaze me with what comes out of your mouth. Where is this complaint about Punk who has basically done the same thing as Cena? Riddle me that. Just another idiotic reason to bash Cena. Come with something new.

 

[CelticCorey]

There was some point during this whole storyline where I felt Punk WAS above Cena. How do YOU know people will jump off the bandwagon? This is more than just some IWC thing. The casuals are becoming enamored with Punk and for those of you who argue merchandise sales for Cena look at what Punk is doing with his t-shirts. How he has gotten crazy pops and all.

 

[CelticCorey]

Waaaah, waaaah, waaaah. Just shut up with this shit. If you were smart enough, the main ending of Raw FOUR weeks ago was Vince and HHH. You amaze me with what comes out of your mouth. Where is this complaint about Punk who has basically done the same thing as Cena? Riddle me that. Just another idiotic reason to bash Cena. Come with something new.

Ok, first of all, calm down.

This is not just another reason to bash Cena. I would say that even though I don't like Cena, I still have found ways to actually PRAISE Cena on these forums. And that RAW segment STILL had Cena to soem degree. What comes out of my MOUTH? Try keyboard! Come up with something new? Ok, I did. It gets frustrating after awhile. And HOW has Punk done the exact same thing as Cena? What has he done that is exactly the same?

Ok, put it this way.

IF they had Cena in the end WITH Punk/Nash/Hunter ANY of those guys but just with Cena and Del Rio and Punk in the middle of the show felt that anything anybody does, no matter how big it be, it's only big because of Cena. This has been such a great storyline and it gets brushed aside because of Cena.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

 

[OutsidersEdge4]

How else did you want tonight to end? We're obviously setting up Cena-Del Rio for Night of Champions, with it possibly being a 3-way with Punk (he's owed a rematch). It all depends on when they want to have Punk-Nash be too.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Ok, put it this way.

IF they had Cena in the end WITH Punk/Nash/Hunter ANY of those guys but just with Cena and Del Rio and Punk in the middle of the show felt that anything anybody does, no matter how big it be, it's only big because of Cena. This has been such a great storyline and it gets brushed aside because of Cena.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

I'm sure Cena and Del Rio made people forget all about Punk, right? It's not like they can't have Punk and whoever close next week's show. That can never happen.

 

[The Brain]

You know what you’re completely ignoring? The main event was Rey Mysterio challenging for the world title in his hometown. I think that’s worthy of going on last don’t you? Cena makes a very brief appearance and you complain? Punk got the 10:00 hour which is also a coveted spot and he got more time than Cena. Why can’t you be happy with that? The world title match should have gone on last.

 

[CelticCorey]

Put it this way, it feels brushed aside. It makes me think that PSPower was right when he said this whole CM Punk thing was just filler for Cena for the Rock at Mania 28. Of course people are buzzing about it but I just feel given where Nash/Punk took place it would've had more importance if it was later on. And since the ending didn't involve Punk/HHH/Nash at all, well, that's why I feel the way I feel.

You know what you’re completely ignoring? The main event was Rey Mysterio challenging for the world title in his hometown. I think that’s worthy of going on last don’t you? Cena makes a very brief appearance and you complain? Punk got the 10:00 hour which is also a coveted spot and he got more time than Cena. Why can’t you be happy with that? The world title match should have gone on last.

It was perfect as the main event. I am fine with that. Not ignoring it at all. And yes it is worthy of going on last. But like I said, the way it happened. It just made me feel that Cena closed out the show and no matter what happens, despite a storyline like this, Cena WILL close out the show.

 

[H33LTurn]

There was some point during this whole storyline where I felt Punk WAS above Cena. How do YOU know people will jump off the bandwagon? This is more than just some IWC thing. The casuals are becoming enamored with Punk and for those of you who argue merchandise sales for Cena look at what Punk is doing with his t-shirts. How he has gotten crazy pops and all.

Because wrestling fans are always hypocritical little thangs. They ride a guy whenever he gets popular then when something better comes along they drop that person. Punk's a one hit wonder, who got lucky because he held off on signing his contract. He had his run and now hes back where hes supposed to be. Merchandise doesnt mean much. People buy Ryder T shirts, Morrison T shirts, etc. That doesnt mean they should close the show. His crazy pops are starting to diminish.

Also, just because YOU thought that Punk was way above Cena it doesnt make it the general perception. FFS, you're trying to say that the guy whos had one good summer is above the guy whos been at the top of the WWE for 7 years in a row without missing a beat? Try to supress the mark in you when you try to talk about what should've been done on RAW. The main thing on RAW is the WWE championship, they guy holding it, and the main event. It only makes chronological sense the the show end like this.

 

[The Brain]

It was perfect as the main event. I am fine with that. Not ignoring it at all. And yes it is worthy of going on last. But like I said, the way it happened. It just made me feel that Cena closed out the show and no matter what happens, despite a storyline like this, Cena WILL close out the show.

It doesn't matter that Cena closed the show. As I said Punk got the 10:00 hour which is often the highlight of the show. He got a lot more time than Cena did and he got two(?) backstage segments as well. Cena's time was brief and even though he made an impact I don't think he overshadowed CM Punk in any way.

 

[CelticCorey]

Because wrestling fans are always hypocritical little thangs. They ride a guy whenever he gets popular then when something better comes along they drop that person. Punk's a one hit wonder, who got lucky because he held off on signing his contract. He had his run and now hes back where hes supposed to be. Merchandise doesnt mean much. People buy Ryder T shirts, Morrison T shirts, etc. That doesnt mean they should close the show. His crazy pops are starting to diminish.

Also, just because YOU thought that Punk was way above Cena it doesnt make it the general perception. FFS, you're trying to say that the guy whos had one good summer is above the guy whos been at the top of the WWE for 7 years in a row without missing a beat? Try to supress the mark in you when you try to talk about what should've been done on RAW. The main thing on RAW is the WWE championship, they guy holding it, and the main event. It only makes chronological sense the the show end like this.

Ok. Let me break this down.

#1 I can't speak for other people. But I have stuck with people I like even after they cooled off. I have stuck with The Miz after his push to the moon. I stuck with Sheamus despite his losing streak. He is still my favorite through thick and thin.

#2 Back where he is supposed to? One hit wonder? Punk hot shot his way up rather quickly. He has momentum. It's time to keep it going.

#3 As far as the t-shirt sales- What do YOU say to the people who use the same argument for Cena? And it's more than just any old t-shirt thing, it's happening in a MASS quantity.

#4 Massive pops starting to diminish? I heard Punk being very well received during the Nash segment.

#5 So just because it's not the general perception. I still feel that way. Put it this way: Cena is Pujols, Punk is Bautista. That's the way I see it. Pujols is still the best player in baseball, as Cena is still the top draw but in 2011 Bautista has been the best IMO just as during this storyline, perhaps just my opinion, I felt Punk has been #1 in the WWE.

#6 If the main thing on RAW IS the WWE Championship then why was it whenever Sheamus was champ Sheamus would appear during the middle of the show? Why was it like that way for The Miz in quite a few episodes as well? WWE picks and chooses where the champion should be and I WOULD agree with the statement you made if it were true in more cases. I DO normally feel the champion should close the show but that doesn't always happen. Not even close.

It doesn't matter that Cena closed the show. As I said Punk got the 10:00 hour which is often the highlight of the show. He got a lot more time than Cena did and he got two(?) backstage segments as well. Cena's time was brief and even though he made an impact I don't think he overshadowed CM Punk in any way.

Perhaps I just jumped to that conclusion and I apologize for that but that was my initial reaction. You do make some valid points but sadly I can never change how I reacted at that time.

 

[H33LTurn]

Ok. Let me break this down.

#1 I can't speak for other people. But I have stuck with people I like even after they cooled off. I have stuck with The Miz after his push to the moon. I stuck with Sheamus despite his losing streak. He is still my favorite through thick and thin.

#2 Back where he is supposed to? One hit wonder? Punk hot shot his way up rather quickly. He has momentum. It's time to keep it going.

#3 As far as the t-shirt sales- What do YOU say to the people who use the same argument for Cena? And it's more than just any old t-shirt thing, it's happening in a MASS quantity.

#4 Massive pops starting to diminish? I heard Punk being very well received during the Nash segment.

#5 So just because it's not the general perception. I still feel that way. Put it this way: Cena is Pujols, Punk is Bautista. That's the way I see it. Pujols is still the best player in baseball, as Cena is still the top draw but in 2011 Bautista has been the best IMO just as during this storyline, perhaps just my opinion, I felt Punk has been #1 in the WWE.

#6 If the main thing on RAW IS the WWE Championship then why was it whenever Sheamus was champ Sheamus would appear during the middle of the show? Why was it like that way for The Miz in quite a few episodes as well? WWE picks and chooses where the champion should be and I WOULD agree with the statement you made if it were true in more cases. I DO normally feel the champion should close the show but that doesn't always happen. Not even close.

Yes, Punk is back to where he works best. And how are they not keeping this thing going? They just put him in a rivalry with the boss's best friend. Like Brain said he had two backstage segments. They're making him the Stone Cold Steve Austin of this generation. He was a one hit wonder as champ, and ratings didnt go anywhere with him title run. So much for being a big thing.

Dont try to compare wrestling to baseball. Ones real ones scripted. The ONLY comparisson you should be trying to make if you want to use baseball is the one Cena used on himself. Hes the Yankees, a franchise, the biggest thing going, but everyone wants to belittle them because no matter how much their favorite team tries they'll never reach that level.

As far as Sheamus goes he wasnt jack shit as champ. He was champ while Nexus was around. Nexus was literally the hottest thing going. They were feuding with Cena which also adds to why they were at the end of the show and not Sheamus.

 

[ChiefAlot]

ok this ? is easy
Time & time again. Cena is the biggest thing.
As said Punk had his time and Cena finished it off. He is in the storyline as well.
Cena haters need to be more patient. So quick to get their blood pressure all up make a thread say dont spam. & to boot only have 3 sentences. Who you gonna hate when he is gone?

 

[CelticCorey]

Yes, Punk is back to where he works best. And how are they not keeping this thing going? They just put him in a rivalry with the boss's best friend. Like Brain said he had two backstage segments. They're making him the Stone Cold Steve Austin of this generation. He was a one hit wonder as champ, and ratings didnt go anywhere with him title run. So much for being a big thing.

Dont try to compare wrestling to baseball. Ones real ones scripted. The ONLY comparisson you should be trying to make if you want to use baseball is the one Cena used on himself. Hes the Yankees, a franchise, the biggest thing going, but everyone wants to belittle them because no matter how much their favorite team tries they'll never reach that level.

As far as Sheamus goes he wasnt jack shit as champ. He was champ while Nexus was around. Nexus was literally the hottest thing going. They were feuding with Cena which also adds to why they were at the end of the show and not Sheamus.

Ok, it's not like Cena is the greatest ratings guy either. Stone Cold and The Rock consistently DOUBLED what Cena is getting now. If he is back to where he works best he worked BRILLIANTLY in the main event scene. I don't see what made him a one hit wonder? Just the promos? He did more than just that. People have also used the ratings argument on Orton for SD. Cena pulls 3's but not like it used to. Also, PPV rated are declining despite him being the top draw.

I made a comparison of LeBron to Cena on this forum and others claimed LeBron doesn't have championships but Cena does. Same thing. One person on here said that Cena puts on so many great matches that complaining about his character would be like complaining A-Rod doesn't steal enough bases even if he had 50 homers.

Ok then, same thing. Where is your response to what I said about The Miz? There were times when he was early on the show. And for Sheamus, it was BOTH reigns too where he didn't always main event.

And isn't this the exact same thing? You mean to tell me that Cena/Del Rio is seriously more worthy and is hotter than the HHH/Punk/Nash/Steph thing?

ok this ? is easy
Time & time again. Cena is the biggest thing.
As said Punk had his time and Cena finished it off. He is in the storyline as well.
Cena haters need to be more patient. So quick to get their blood pressure all up make a thread say dont spam. & to boot only have 3 sentences. Who you gonna hate when he is gone?

Look, I said earlier in a post in this thread I have done some things to PRAISE Cena. I don't really care for him but I respect him. I know Cena is the biggest thing but Punk has been the biggest thing going on all summer. How did Cena finish off Punk's time? Did Cena win last night? Punk won. Then out came Del Rio. What kind of spam did I make here and I did more than just three sentences.

I have posted in SEVERAL threads where I gave credit where credit is due. If Cena cuts a good promo, puts on a good match, I have posted it. I have stated on MULTIPLE occasions that Cena seems like a really cool guy. In addition I just went on a massive rant last night on how Cena puts people over.

Randy Orton. Now THERE is somebody I can't stand.

 

[Enoch V2]

I was a bit confused with it too. Since RAW is on at night time over there in America, I would have thought that the kids would be in bed by the second hour and therefore Cena should be on earlier so his fans can cheer him.

I think this storyline works well for business- the Punk/Nash/H storyline for the adults and the championship storyline for the kids.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Cena is the top guy, thus, he's always in the title feud, the title feud usually ends the show. What's so hard to understand about that?

Not only that, but Cena was on Raw all of about 2 minutes, so who cares?

 

[CelticCorey]

Cena is the top guy, thus, he's always in the title feud, the title feud usually ends the show. What's so hard to understand about that?

Not only that, but Cena was on Raw all of about 2 minutes, so who cares?

Read in the posts that I have said before that the title feud didn't always end the show per se. I can think of many examples where it didn't. And my point was that if Punk was involved in the last segment I'd have been more ok with it. And I know Cena is the top guy but the fact that Punk is in the middle of the show while Cena closing out the show at the end, well, at that time it just felt bleh to me.

 

[H33LTurn]

Ok, it's not liek Cena is the greatest ratings guy either. Stone Cold and The Rock consistently DOUBLED what Cena is getting now. If he is back to where he works best he worked BRILLIANTLY in the main event scene. I don't see what made him a one hit wonder? Just the promos? He did more than just that. People have also used the ratings argument on Orton for SD. Cena pulls 3's but not like it used to. Also, PPV rated are declining despite him being the top draw.

I made a comparison of LeBron to Cena on this forum and others claimed LeBron doesn't have championships but Cena does. Same thing. One person on here said that Cena puts on so many great matches that complaining about his character would be like complaining A-Rod doesn't steal enough bases even if he had 50 homers.

Ok then, same thing. Where is your response to what I said about The Miz? There were times when he was early on the show. And for Sheamus, it was BOTH reigns too where he didn't always main event.

And isn't this the exact same thing? You mean to tell me that Cena/Del Rio is seriously more worthy and is hotter than the HHH/Punk/Nash/Steph thing?

You have to think from a structural standpoint. Del Rio isnt as over as he should be and Cena is amazing at getting people to that next level. He made Miz what he was, a great heel champ, and the same goes for Punk. How can you argue that a scene thats supposed to happen after the main event, the moment that ends the show, shouldnt happen at that time?

Punk had a great spot on the show. And yes his storyline is important but its nearly beginning. He didnt have much to offer and when you consider that Rey Mysterio was in his hometown and Del Rio had just won his first WWE title, it would be disrespectful to both men to leave them out of the ending for a horrible back and fourth with Nash and Punk. Can you imagine RAW ending like that? Security standing in front of Punk and him just walking away? No amount of emotion at all? More talk than action? No, RAW needed to end like that. Punk fans are seriously the most immature people I've ever met. He revealed a bunch of "secrets" on a scripted "shoot", secrets that we've know for a WHILE now, and he suddenly deserves the closing over the hometown hero, the new WWE champ, and Cena?

 

[CelticCorey]

You have to think from a structural standpoint. Del Rio isnt as over as he should be and Cena is amazing at getting people to that next level. He made Miz what he was, a great heel champ, and the same goes for Punk. How can you argue that a scene thats supposed to happen after the main event, the moment that ends the show, shouldnt happen at that time?

Punk had a great spot on the show. And yes his storyline is important but its nearly begging. He didnt have much to offer and when you consider that Rey Mysterio was in his hometown and Del Rio had just won his first WWE title, it would be disresectful to both men to leave them out of the ending for a horrible back and fourth with Nash and Punk. Can you imagine RAW ending like that? Security standing in front of Punk and him just walking away? No amount of emotion at all? More talk than action? No, RAW needed to end like that. Punk fans are seriously the most immature people I've ever met. He revealed a bunch of "secrets" on a scripted "shoot", secrets that we've know for a WHILE now, and he suddenly deserves the closing over the hometown hero, the new WWE champ, and Cena?

Punk fans are the most immature you have ever met? Ok.

Look, ALL I am saying is that WWE should be more consistent. With the whole title thing, YES, IT SHOULD CLOSE THE SHOW!!! I AGREE!!! Want to know what the problem is though? IT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERYTIME!!! As a matter of fact there have been PLENTY of times where it didn't happen. And maybe I jumped to conclusion. If I did, I apologize but my original point was that the hottest superstar in the wrestling business and this whole storyline was brushed aside in favor of Cena.THAT was the point I was making. If it is different next week, then ok but if it's the same thing then I'm going to get worried then. I just wish WWE would show more consistency. The title match closes out the show WHEN THEY WANT IT to close out not because IT SHOULD close out. I mean for you to ask if he should close out the show over the WWE champ, Cena and the hometown hero, if he's the hottest thing going but you only use that argument in YOUR favor when you say Nexus was the hottest thing last year. IMO, like I said in another post, the Punk storyline has been Nexus on steroids.

 

[The Brain]

I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but one more thing to consider. There were two backstage segments that came as a result of Punk and Nash being in the middle of the show. Had they gone on last those segments could not have taken place.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Read in the posts that I have said before that the title feud didn't always end the show per se. I can think of many examples where it didn't. And my point was that if Punk was involved in the last segment I'd have been more ok with it. And I know Cena is the top guy but the fact that Punk is in the middle of the show while Cena closing out the show at the end, well, at that time it just felt bleh to me.

Why does the "last segment" thing matter? As long as it's one of your top feuds, it works right?

Tonight they had NO choice but to put Cena on last. What are you going to do? Put ADR vs Rey on at 9:20 so that Punk and Nash can argue to end the show? That's pretty stupid.

The other guy was right BTW. Hardcore Punk fans are really immature. They can't seperate their own likes and dislikes from what should happen. I mean, some Punk fans thought Punk should have went over Cena clean at SS for fuck's sake, which would have been TERRIBLE for his character.

 

[CelticCorey]

Why does the "last segment" thing matter? As long as it's one of your top feuds, it works right?

Tonight they had NO choice but to put Cena on last. What are you going to do? Put ADR vs Rey on at 9:20 so that Punk and Nash can argue to end the show? That's pretty stupid.

The other guy was right BTW. Hardcore Punk fans are really immature. They can't seperate their own likes and dislikes from what should happen. I mean, some Punk fans thought Punk should have went over Cena clean at SS for fuck's sake, which would have been TERRIBLE for his character.

You can't classify me as all Punk fans as I NEVER posted anything about how I feel Punk should've gone over clean (although I sure would've celebrated if that did happen)

IF it's different next week then I apologize but I just have a feeling that this is being brushed aside in favor of Cena. No matter what Cena does. And that before it was only on last BECAUSE of Cena. That is my worry.

 

[H33LTurn]

Punk fans are the most immature you have ever met? Ok.

Look, ALL I am saying is that WWE should be more consistent. With the whole title thing, YES, IT SHOULD CLOSE THE SHOW!!! I AGREE!!! Want to know what the problem is though? IT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERYTIME!!! As a matter of fact there have been PLENTY of times where it didn't happen. And maybe I jumped to conclusion. If I did, I apologize but my original point was that the hottest superstar in the wrestling business and this whole storyline was brushed aside in favor of Cena.THAT was the point I was making. If it is different next week, then ok but if it's the same thing then I'm going to get worried then. I just wish WWE would show more consistency. The title match closes out the show WHEN THEY WANT IT to close out not because IT SHOULD close out. I mean for you to ask if he should close out the show over the WWE champ, Cena and the hometown hero, if he's the hottest thing going but you only use that argument in YOUR favor when you say Nexus was the hottest thing last year. IMO, like I said in another post, the Punk storyline has been Nexus on steroids.

Ha! Nexus on steroids, you make me laugh. Nexus brought change during a HORRIBLY boring era. It literally came out of nowhere. All Punk did was take the internet rants that I have to read every day when I get on this site and put them on a promo at the end of one RAW. Can you remember one RAW that didnt end with the WWE championship. All these past weeks its been Punk and Cena as WWE champions closing the show. Before that it was Vince interrupting the WWE champinship match to get fired. You're only issue with this is that Cena closed the show. If it was Punk interrupting Del Rio you would've nutted on the screen. Cena is #1 contender, so of course hes going to close the show on the champ.

 

[Marzyk]

Why did every episode of Seinfeild have Jerry in it... Whose ideal was to have every episode of I Love Lucy be about her usual antics... They could have done Martin without Martin Lawrence hogging up all the air time... And didn't you get tired of seeing Al Bundy at the end of every single episode of married with children.