[DC/Marvel] TV Shows/Movies Discussion Thread

[Shadowmancer]

What in the Jokers core character would have him patient enough to sit still for hours and get that much ink work done? It is out of character and isn't the Joker. He is a psychopath, but in a more refined sense, he is someone that is supposed to be deadly but isn't supposed to look that way. Its the dichotomy in his appearance and mannerisms compared to what he does and his motivations. This look that they are going for is similar to the face removed version of the Joker that they did when they rebooted the series, its too far removed from the core of the Jokers character.

Ledger's Joker strode the fine line between being too far removed from the core character and fitting in with the universe of Batman that was being told. He still retained that core element of not instantly looking to be incredibly dangerous, but being so.

 

[A11oftheLights]

What in the Jokers core character would have him patient enough to sit still for hours and get that much ink work done? It is out of character and isn't the Joker. He is a psychopath, but in a more refined sense, he is someone that is supposed to be deadly but isn't supposed to look that way. Its the dichotomy in his appearance and mannerisms compared to what he does and his motivations. This look that they are going for is similar to the face removed version of the Joker that they did when they rebooted the series, its too far removed from the core of the Jokers character.

Ledger's Joker strode the fine line between being too far removed from the core character and fitting in with the universe of Batman that was being told. He still retained that core element of not instantly looking to be incredibly dangerous, but being so.

You think a guy with a white face and green hair does not look like a psychopath, and therefore dangerous?

If something as small as tattoos on a character are enough to make you think a movie is bad then geez thats sad.

 

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Great trailer. Only question is, who's the villain? It can't be Joker, they wouldn't need helicopters full of soldiers to take down the Joker in the middle of a square. Enchantress maybe? Her whole character is that she's schizophrenic and cannot control her powers so maybe Joker is manipulating her?

Something that worries me about Suicide Squad (and to a lesser degree BvS) is how they'll do character development. There are people who know the backs stories of people but how will they incorporate that for the uninitiated. I mean know about Joker, Harley Quinn, Killer Croc and a little about Deadshot but not the rest.

You're implying they're going to live. This is a David Ayer film, his films tend to follow a routine of having the majority of his main cast die. See:

Spoiler

Training Day, Fury, End of Watch.

The only absolute survivors I'm aware of are Quinn, Joker and Deadshot. Everyone else is fair game. Slipknot is definitely gone. In the final part of the trailer that shows the entire cast together, he's not one of them. Betting Boomerang uses him to test the bombs/whatever controls the Squad. Also can easily see Katana or Enchantress being the standout of the film.

What in the Jokers core character would have him patient enough to sit still for hours and get that much ink work done? It is out of character and isn't the Joker. He is a psychopath, but in a more refined sense, he is someone that is supposed to be deadly but isn't supposed to look that way.

We've had a Joker with dreadlocks and a Joker who was willing to have his face cut off. Neither of those practices are exactly quick. This isn't out of the realm of possibility. This is you being pedantic.

Ledger's Joker strode the fine line between being too far removed from the core character and fitting in with the universe of Batman that was being told. He still retained that core element of not instantly looking to be incredibly dangerous, but being so.

Ledger's Joker was an anarchist more than a psychopath. This one is a pure fucking psychopath. It's a way to distinguish him from Ledger. There's no point in comparing them because they're taking two very different approaches. The only tattoo that is bad in any way is the damaged one but that's incredibly small. I swear if it wasn't the tattoos, people would find some other reason to bitch about Joker because he's "not muh Ledger".

 

[Alex]

Ledger's Joker was an anarchist more than a psychopath. This one is a pure fucking psychopath. It's a way to distinguish him from Ledger. There's no point in comparing them because they're taking two very different approaches. The only tattoo that is bad in any way is the damaged one but that's incredibly small. I swear if it wasn't the tattoos, people would find some other reason to bitch about Joker because he's "not muh Ledger".

It's because Ledger died.

I don't know if this makes me sound like a prick but Heath Ledger had to die to get an Oscar and I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have won it had he lived. Jared Leto won an Oscar and he's still going.

It seems lots of the 18-30 demographic saw that performance in a summer blockbuster and were so surprised that you can get performances like that that they've basically made up in their minds that Ledger is the be all and end all of Joker performances. Even though for me I didn't like it as a 'Joker' performance (the same way I think the Dark Knight trilogy are bad 'Batman' films) I understand it was a great performance and Ledger was coming into his own as an actor but there are better actors than Ledger who could pull off the Joker and Leto is one of them.

 

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It's because Ledger died.

No it isn't.

I don't know if this makes me sound like a prick but Heath Ledger had to die to get an Oscar and I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have won it had he lived. Jared Leto won an Oscar and he's still going.

Who else would've won? RDJ certainly wouldn't have. Michael Shannon was in the movie for about 20 minutes. Josh Brolin and Phillip Seymour Hoffman didn't exactly go above and beyond like Ledger did. Ledger redefined a character and revolutionized the villain role into something never really seen before. Yes Leto won an oscar, but lets face it, his win was from a role that the oscars love the see.

It seems lots of the 18-30 demographic saw that performance in a summer blockbuster and were so surprised that you can get performances like that that they've basically made up in their minds that Ledger is the be all and end all of Joker performances.

Well it IS the standard right now. My only point is don't shit all over it due to the look. Like that's EXACTLY what people did to Ledger when he was cast.

Even though for me I didn't like it as a 'Joker' performance (the same way I think the Dark Knight trilogy are bad 'Batman' films) I understand it was a great performance and Ledger was coming into his own as an actor but there are better actors than Ledger who could pull off the Joker and Leto is one of them.

I get where you're coming from, its the same reason why I think Affleck could be the best pure Batman adaptation. That being said, objectively the Dark knight trilogy is not bad "batman" films. It just rises above the comic book genre so to make it deep and enjoyable in many more ways, the Dark knight is an amazing comic movie but also a phenomenal crime thriller hence why its one of the greatest movies of all time. My dad hates comic movies but loves TDK.

Don't speak up Leto while talking down Ledger, you're doing the exact same as Shadowmancer then.

 

[A11oftheLights]

It's because Ledger died.

I don't know if this makes me sound like a prick but Heath Ledger had to die to get an Oscar and I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have won it had he lived. Jared Leto won an Oscar and he's still going.

It seems lots of the 18-30 demographic saw that performance in a summer blockbuster and were so surprised that you can get performances like that that they've basically made up in their minds that Ledger is the be all and end all of Joker performances. Even though for me I didn't like it as a 'Joker' performance (the same way I think the Dark Knight trilogy are bad 'Batman' films) I understand it was a great performance and Ledger was coming into his own as an actor but there are better actors than Ledger who could pull off the Joker and Leto is one of them.

everything there is just spot on. I think Jesse Eisenberg would have made a good Joker based off the BvS trailer.


Completely off topic:
I really wish that Leonardo Di Caprio would have gotten to play the Riddler like Nolan originally wanted in The Dark Knight Rises

 

[Alex]

No it isn't.

I'd argue his death has something to do with it. How much is certainly debatable.

Who else would've won? RDJ certainly wouldn't have. Michael Shannon was in the movie for about 20 minutes. Josh Brolin and Phillip Seymour Hoffman didn't exactly go above and beyond like Ledger did. Ledger redefined a character and revolutionized the villain role into something never really seen before. Yes Leto won an oscar, but lets face it, his win was from a role that the oscars love the see.

I will admit Leto's win was certainly in the Oscar standard performace category. But what I said about Ledger's death having an effect is certainly relevant here. I'm not saying he wouldn't have been nominated but I feel his death certainly helped him in winning.

Well it IS the standard right now. My only point is don't shit all over it due to the look. Like that's EXACTLY what people did to Ledger when he was cast.

It's the most recent certainly.

Oh yeah I say to everyone how people shit over Ledger's look and are now saying he's the best. Appearances can be shit but the performances can be brilliant or vice versa.

I get where you're coming from, its the same reason why I think Affleck could be the best pure Batman adaptation. That being said, objectively the Dark knight trilogy is not bad "batman" films. It just rises above the comic book genre so to make it deep and enjoyable in many more ways, the Dark knight is an amazing comic movie but also a phenomenal crime thriller hence why its one of the greatest movies of all time. My dad hates comic movies but loves TDK.

Maybe it's my bias but for me unless something is based on a realistic comic ala Maus it should retain some sort of comic book feel and I didn't get that from the Dark Knight trilogy. I got exceptional crime thriller sure but I can just imagine no Batman symbolism and him in a special ops outfit and it's just a crime thriller, no essence of Batman for me. I understand there's realistic elements to the Batman mythos but at the same time they're in a somewhat fantasy type setting

Don't speak up Leto while talking down Ledger, you're doing the exact same as Shadowmancer then.

I didn't feel I was talking down Ledger. I feel because of his death some people feel his Joker is exempt from critique and I was giving my opinion. Again I feel his performance was outstanding as an sociopathic villian just not as Joker.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

So Antman was pretty good, it's a shame that it's a movie that really shouldn't have a sequel but has really entertaining side characters that will never be a part of the Avengers movies.

Michael Pena fucking stole the show.

 

[Alex]

Angry Joe has a video about a possible Joker theory

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That theory is fucking stupid and AngryJoe is a moron.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Fan Theory posts in general should be fucking outlawed by NATO.

 

[Alex]

I just hope DC actually uses Jason Todd as dead Robin so Dick Grayson can be Nightwing.

 

[MrHashasheen]

That theory is fucking stupid and AngryJoe is a moron.

Half a million idiots online have had that theory. *shrugs*

It'd be interesting, if only because we'd get Nightwing as well, hopefully. Jason, Dick and Damian are the core Robins, IMO. Tim and Stephanie can fuck off and do whatever.

 

[Phoenix]

So Antman was pretty good, it's a shame that it's a movie that really shouldn't have a sequel but has really entertaining side characters that will never be a part of the Avengers movies.

Michael Pena fucking stole the show.

Ant-Man was really good for what it was, and I'd like the direction that Marvel has been going. While some of the formula is the same, I liked that it was a heist movie that contained a superhero, much like how Captain America: The Winter Soldier was a spy genre film with a superhero in the middle. I'd rank it as my 3rd favourite of the Phase Two, just a step above Avengers: Age of Ultron.

It's done pretty decent for numbers on the budget it's been made, but like my colleague said, I imagine it will be a Marvel film that gets a cult status; doesn't do as big as the other films, but will get popular from people renting/watching it on Netflix.

 

[Alex]

It'd be interesting, if only because we'd get Nightwing as well, hopefully. Jason, Dick and Damian are the core Robins, IMO. Tim and Stephanie can fuck off and do whatever.

I like Tim Drake. Then again I haven't really read many comics since I was about 14 so there's that.

 

[MrHashasheen]

I like Tim Drake. Then again I haven't really read many comics since I was about 14 so there's that.

Tim Drake is just superfluous sadly. DC has way too many ex-Robins and ex-Batgirls running around doing shit at any given point. Nightwing-Red Hood-Robin-Oracle is all that's needed in the Batman setting. The rest need a new setting away from Batman.

 

[Lee]

Jason Todd was a shit Robin, it's the aftermath that makes him good. Tim Drake is a good Robin. Grayson's better as Nightwing. Damien Wayne's an annoying dick.

Drake is far from superfluous, he took Robin from the fairy boots to the modern era.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

About to say, there's a reason Todd was killed off in the first place. Readers had the chance to save him, but he was just all around hated so DC pulled the trigger.

 

[MrHashasheen]

Jason Todd was a shit Robin, it's the aftermath that makes him good. Tim Drake is a good Robin. Grayson's better as Nightwing. Damien Wayne's an annoying dick.

Drake is far from superfluous, he took Robin from the fairy boots to the modern era.

1. Jason needs to be Robin to be Red Hood.
2. I've yet to see Tim Drake offer much in the role of Robin.
3. Indeed. Or as a successor to Batman.
4. Yes, but he's a Wayne, so just like Helena he's always got story potential.

Dunno Lee, you're going to have to sell Tim Drake on me far better than this.

About to say, there's a reason Todd was killed off in the first place. Readers had the chance to save him, but he was just all around hated so DC pulled the trigger.

Worth noting that one person did a bunch of auto-calls needed to kill him though. He was quite divisive anyway, though.

 

[Alex]

I liked Tim Drake in Young Justice that was fun.

By Helena do you mean Huntress??

 

[MrHashasheen]

I liked Tim Drake in Young Justice that was fun.

By Helena do you mean Huntress??

Helena Wayne, not Helene Bertinelli. The two characters share the Huntress alias.

Season 2 of YJ kinda got away from the writers, IMO.

 

[Lee]

I've got Tim Drakes debut as Robin somewhere. The importance for the mantle of Robin cannot be ignored.

 

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Theories are everywhere for the movies. There are theories ahoy regarding Scott Eastwoods role in SS. Some say he's Deathstroke others says he's Nightwing. It's curious why such a rising star has such a seemingly limited role though. It's probably more to do with him being friends with Ayer. Like the rest of the cast.

 

[JamJam]

So what did you guys think of Ant-Man? I definitely enjoyed it a whole lot. I didn't think I would like it this much, but the movie surprised me. Those scenes when Rudd shrunk were amazing. But the fight with a certain avenger was freaking cool. The villain though, oh well. Wasn't that bad either. The movie is probably ranked on the lower half of my rankings but it was still a pretty good movie.

 

[MrHashasheen]

I've got Tim Drakes debut as Robin somewhere. The importance for the mantle of Robin cannot be ignored.

Sell it to me, Lee. From one person living in Britain to another.

@JamJam: Haven't seen Ant-Man yet, don't really intend to. I'm cutting down my Marvel consumption down to Black Panther/Captain America/Guardians of the Galaxy to make way for DC films so I don't burn out on superhero films and tropes.