Daniel Bryan Released *GIVE OPINIONS*
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El Rev sXe
If you have ghosts...
he y guys I know that the twitter acount of Michael Cole really looks suspicous, but haven't you thought that the release is true and the E is trying to continue the invasion angle without Danielson... I mean fire him could be real, and the E is getting the best of us,the IWC, by having all these rumours abouth the "why" Danielson was fired??
Because firing a person who you centered an entirely new TV show on, pushed to the moon, and has been a great backstage presence, and genuinely good guy for making one mistake that was pre-planned by WWE creative department not only dosen't make any sense, but it opens them up to a million different lawsuits for unjust termination of a contract.
I really have no clue what is going on here but I am growing increasingly concerned that this is NOT a work!
Now, I know I may have said a couple of times that I thought the evidence pointed to the contrary but now I am getting the impression that he is gone for just now. If he has been released because he directly broke the rules about strangulation, then I have no problem with that. It is like any other job on the planet. You take the job, you learn how to do it safely and under the constraints of the law and policy and then you carry out that job. As much as it is a loss for WWE (and for Bryan Danielson himself), he really only has one person to blame and that is Bryan Danielson. Now, as I said, when you take a new job, you need to learn the rules. If I did something that endangered the life of my colleague, then I am quite sure that my ass would be fired too. Now, before you all get on your high-horses and ride into his defence, I know it is a different story but the fact remains that the strangulation policy is put in place to ensure the safety of professionals and beyond. If Danielson did not adhere to that, then you can assume that he was putting someone's well-being on the line and that is gross misconduct... Enough to get any of us fired.
Personally, I think that this is a bit of bullshit. In an environment such as WWE, some violence is to be expected. When I watched Raw, I did find the attack on Roberts to be a little bit shocking, to be honest. It was definitely outside the comfort zone of the WWE and that has been proven with the release of Danielson. That being said, I am definitely disappointed with the outcome of all this. Maybe you can call it inexperience. Or maybe you can call it sheer excitement but obviously he has done something to warrant his release. To be fired for choking someone with a tie, in a "fake" environment... I just don't get it. A stern talking to may have sufficed but there it is.
Now, I know I may have said a couple of times that I thought the evidence pointed to the contrary but now I am getting the impression that he is gone for just now. If he has been released because he directly broke the rules about strangulation, then I have no problem with that. It is like any other job on the planet. You take the job, you learn how to do it safely and under the constraints of the law and policy and then you carry out that job. As much as it is a loss for WWE (and for Bryan Danielson himself), he really only has one person to blame and that is Bryan Danielson. Now, as I said, when you take a new job, you need to learn the rules. If I did something that endangered the life of my colleague, then I am quite sure that my ass would be fired too. Now, before you all get on your high-horses and ride into his defence, I know it is a different story but the fact remains that the strangulation policy is put in place to ensure the safety of professionals and beyond. If Danielson did not adhere to that, then you can assume that he was putting someone's well-being on the line and that is gross misconduct... Enough to get any of us fired.
Personally, I think that this is a bit of bullshit. In an environment such as WWE, some violence is to be expected. When I watched Raw, I did find the attack on Roberts to be a little bit shocking, to be honest. It was definitely outside the comfort zone of the WWE and that has been proven with the release of Danielson. That being said, I am definitely disappointed with the outcome of all this. Maybe you can call it inexperience. Or maybe you can call it sheer excitement but obviously he has done something to warrant his release. To be fired for choking someone with a tie, in a "fake" environment... I just don't get it. A stern talking to may have sufficed but there it is.
empyrelounge
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where did the story come from that it was because he choked him with his tie?
I think it is a work because of how WWE.com has the release. If a wrestler is released, Mike Knox or Carlito, they arent linking his name to his WWE profile page. They do for Tony Atlas since he was in the Hall of Fame but none of the other wrestlers released it seems like. Makes me think that it is a work since they are still linking to his page.
I think it is a work because of how WWE.com has the release. If a wrestler is released, Mike Knox or Carlito, they arent linking his name to his WWE profile page. They do for Tony Atlas since he was in the Hall of Fame but none of the other wrestlers released it seems like. Makes me think that it is a work since they are still linking to his page.
somehetero
Dark Match Winner
http://www.hulu.com/watch/155487/wwe-nxt-tue-jun-8-2010
The choking was edited out of the Hulu version of the NXT Season 2 episode, and was also edited out of the Smackdown replay of what happened.
If this were a work, the WWE would be showing us the choking to explain Danielson's "release". The fact that they edited it out of all of the rebroadcasts suggests that they truthfully did not approve.
Danielson was released, for real.
The choking was edited out of the Hulu version of the NXT Season 2 episode, and was also edited out of the Smackdown replay of what happened.
If this were a work, the WWE would be showing us the choking to explain Danielson's "release". The fact that they edited it out of all of the rebroadcasts suggests that they truthfully did not approve.
Danielson was released, for real.
My 2 cents is that this is legitimate, but that this really isn't the end of Danielson's WWE days, but which means I can maybe catch him at another PWG show one of these days.
This caught my interest cause I remembered Raven spearheading a lawsuit against the E due to the way they were released and their status with the company. Story here: http://prowrestling.about.com/b/2009/03/02/wrestling-lawsuit-dismissed.htm
It's pretty interesting to see a copy of an older WWE contract and particularly the release clause in 11.1(b), which means that if this is legitimate then Danielson did agree with his release as it has to be a two way street. Sure the contract is older, but you have to believe that the early termination clause still exists in some way or another.
Now back to the issue at hand and Danielson's release, I agree with what Chris Hero said on his twitter about him.
"Oh, & RE: the whole Danielson deal, if he's really fired, it's ridiculous. However, I'm sure dude'll land on his feet so no worries there.."
And as I said earlier, he'll be back on TV soon enough, either on RoH, TNA or WWE. But hopefully before then I can see him one last time at an indy show.
This caught my interest cause I remembered Raven spearheading a lawsuit against the E due to the way they were released and their status with the company. Story here: http://prowrestling.about.com/b/2009/03/02/wrestling-lawsuit-dismissed.htm
It's pretty interesting to see a copy of an older WWE contract and particularly the release clause in 11.1(b), which means that if this is legitimate then Danielson did agree with his release as it has to be a two way street. Sure the contract is older, but you have to believe that the early termination clause still exists in some way or another.
Now back to the issue at hand and Danielson's release, I agree with what Chris Hero said on his twitter about him.
"Oh, & RE: the whole Danielson deal, if he's really fired, it's ridiculous. However, I'm sure dude'll land on his feet so no worries there.."
And as I said earlier, he'll be back on TV soon enough, either on RoH, TNA or WWE. But hopefully before then I can see him one last time at an indy show.
If this is a work then the WWE has done it perfectly, I don't know about other websites but there are 41 pages already on the release of Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson on here alone. The WWE knows he is an internet darling and the IWC are all so in love with his abilities, me included. So by "releasing" him they have generated a huge amount of buzz for one of their future stars as well as for the angle they did at the end of RAW. I've been watching wrestling since I was a youngling so by now I like to think I can see through their fake angles and not much they do can shock me these days so I hope it is a work and BD apears in the crowd to beatdown someone even though he has been fired.
Of course there is the very real possibility that he has be actually released from the company, of course if this is the case I will be very disapointed as I love seeing him on the screen doing what he does best. Firing him seems like a big step, a suspension I could understand as this could be used as an angle at the same time.
I guess we will have to wait and see to find out if it's legit or not and to see if it is even mentioned on RAW this week.
Of course there is the very real possibility that he has be actually released from the company, of course if this is the case I will be very disapointed as I love seeing him on the screen doing what he does best. Firing him seems like a big step, a suspension I could understand as this could be used as an angle at the same time.
I guess we will have to wait and see to find out if it's legit or not and to see if it is even mentioned on RAW this week.
That's ludicrous!
Let me make this very clear to everyone... The WWE is not some two-bit operation. The have been operating seamlessly for decades and know what they are doing when it comes to their own programming. Raw is one of the most watched shows on TV every Monday night and you are calling their ability to edit into question?!
Make no mistake, if you are watching something on WWE programming, then it is something that the WWE want you to see and the same is true for the opposite. If something is missing from a piece of footage, like Raw on Monday night, then they definitely don't want you to see it. To blame it on the face someone made when they were choking is just plain idiotic.
Yeah, WWE PG decided that they could show choking... If he weren't making such a silly face as he gasped for air...
The story is indeed linked on the website. Go to wwe.com, and click on the "News" tab on the main page, where they link the Week In Photos thing. It's the top story.
Anyway, if this firing is legit, I am going to have to agree with Dave that if there was a choking rule, and Danielson was aware of said rule, he deserved to be fired. I don't want it to be so, but if I worked at, say, a burger company, and there was a rule to always wash your hands before touching the fryer, or risk termination, and I didn't, the firing would be my fault. It's the same situation.
I don't want to blame Danielson for this. I also don't want this to be real. However, he must be given the blame if he broke a company rule. That's all there is to it.
Anyway, if this firing is legit, I am going to have to agree with Dave that if there was a choking rule, and Danielson was aware of said rule, he deserved to be fired. I don't want it to be so, but if I worked at, say, a burger company, and there was a rule to always wash your hands before touching the fryer, or risk termination, and I didn't, the firing would be my fault. It's the same situation.
I don't want to blame Danielson for this. I also don't want this to be real. However, he must be given the blame if he broke a company rule. That's all there is to it.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
Go to the main page and click on WWE News. It's a small tab.
I'm reminded of a PPV in old WCW which resulted in firings. The performers were told to make it rough and hardcore, but corporate stooges found it offensive, and scapegoats were made and fired. I believe it was an Uncensored PPV match. KB would know better.
Why isn't it on the News page where they list all the other releases and updates? http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/
No it isn't. First offense warrants a verbal warning. Second offense is a written warning. Third offense, you're canned. You've read my thread on the homeless man at my job, didn't you? I didn't just break a rule, I broke the law. It was bent in my favor because it was an act of defense that went a bit too far. I was just told to be careful next time. Why? I got carried away. It was my first time. It was my first time threatened. It was Danielson's first televised experience on a restricted format. You can't just condemn him on his first mistake. Everybody does mistakes. You can read a book about Basketball all day long and know it inside and out, but when you get to the court, can your physical abilities match your intellect? Same thing in the Danielson situation.
The fucking lengths I go to...
Here is snapshot of WWE.com as of 10 minutes ago. You will notice, it is still listed for all to see:
Yes! Yes, you can!
The fact of the matter is, that GROSS MISCONDUCT can result in the termination of most positions in the world. Now, we are not talking about Bryan Danielson turning up late to work once or twice, we are talking about him endangering the life of a peer and colleague. Now, if you were to walk into you place of employment and start drowning someone in the chip-fryer, do you not think that your ass would be out of the door? If you say "No", to that question, I really don't want to work where you do.
The fact of the matter is that health and safety regulations are there for a reason and it is to keep people safe. Kids in the UK wear ties to school mostly and since that is what WWE is geared towards, I just imagine school kids getting the life choked out of them because they saw Bryan Danielson do it on Monday Night Raw. Seriously, I have no idea why you are defending him?! Do you think that Vince or the WWE has a vendetta against him? Or do you think that he actually did something that would put his job at risk?
Everything is different. You can't just make analogies and hope its the same. In wrestling, there is a lot of politics. In this case, this is what its all about. One higher up person didn't like what happened, requested for a termination and thats how it ended. It doesn't matter if there is some 3 strikes and you're out rule like at burger joints.
Also, so called Cole's twitter looks fake. He's been doing nothing but ripping BD. I didn't realize Cole was a full blown heel already.
You will also notice that my question this time had nothing to do with it being or not being located there. I never knew about that tab.
My question here was why is it NOT on the page where they have ALWAYS listed EVERY other release?
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
But if the Regional Manager walks in while you're fucking up pretty badly, you are probably losing this job.
That's what I'd pin this on. Not just that he might have crossed a line regarding a no-choke rule, but that someone of high influence, like a USA Network Executive or higher, caught wind of it and called foul. That could explain the delay in response, and why the scenes were left in the replay on nXt the next night, but edited out of it's Hulu replay and out of SmackDown's replay of it.
I'm still on the fence about what's going on, there's still just nothing rock solid to lean on yet.
Interestingly enough, if I were Vince, and I was somehow forced into firing one of my biggest rising stars at the start of a huge push, I would switch gears and play up into "The Network" forcing these moves as an angle.
That's what I'd pin this on. Not just that he might have crossed a line regarding a no-choke rule, but that someone of high influence, like a USA Network Executive or higher, caught wind of it and called foul. That could explain the delay in response, and why the scenes were left in the replay on nXt the next night, but edited out of it's Hulu replay and out of SmackDown's replay of it.
I'm still on the fence about what's going on, there's still just nothing rock solid to lean on yet.
Interestingly enough, if I were Vince, and I was somehow forced into firing one of my biggest rising stars at the start of a huge push, I would switch gears and play up into "The Network" forcing these moves as an angle.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
That's not pertinent to the situation. It is missing lots of other news releases as well. It's also not on the Corporate News site, either. Unless you have something to contribute to the conversation about Daniel Bryan and his release, please stop asking us silly questions that you should be emailing somebody else about. Like Joey Styles or something, fuck.
One thing is for sure: Poor Dixie has lost all the attention that was on her. Do you suppose that is because it's the WWE, or because it's Daniel Bryan?
Dude, you are exaggerating! Its a work. Danielson did not suddenly develop a killer instinct to choke Roberts, he was told to destroy Raw and everyone around. It was his job. Why you bring something like frying somebody's face into perspective? Not only that, but Justin Roberts was well aware of what would go down. If the choking part wasn't allowed then #1 Security would come down to stop him immediately at Vince McMahon's order. #2 Justin Roberts would not allow himself to be choked. The guy is bigger than Bryan. He has a mouth. He could've told him. He could've pushed him off. But he didn't. The cameramen watched and so did the boss. Nobody stopped the rule from being broken.
Kids have chairs and broomsticks at home and at school. But WWE uses similar objects to mutilate the wrestlers. Its also imitable. Its not banned.
I'm not defending him. I'm pointing out how stupid people are for believing these ridiculous rumors. Only smart people seem to be paying attention to the more intelligent points of view posted here.
Of course I am exagerating! It helps me get my point across better. However, the point still remains and there is perfectly (and I do mean "perfectly") good reasons as to why, what you have posted, is a load of shit.
Firstly, you are contesting that Justin Roberts would have stopped Daniel Bryan from choking him if it was against what was scheduled to go down. Would he really though? Would he stop in the middle of the best angle in WWE recent history to no-sell punches and tell Daniel Bryan that he is being a jackass? I very much doubt it. What is more likely, is that he went along with the choking as it caused less harm and allowed the angle to unfold. No way would he jeopardise this angle because of some choking. To suggest anything contrary, is ridiculous!
Secondly, you are contesting that security would have stopped it. You mean like the security that did come down during the invasion? Or do you mean "actual" security? Either way, there is no way that would happen either. Everyone has said it! This is the best angle in recent times. Do you think Vince would urge security to go down to the ring to stop a kayfabe choking as his grand-master-plan is about to take shape? I very much fucking doubt it. That plan had one chance to succeed and one alone. Consequences to Danielson could be doled out at a later date and that risk outweighed the consequence it would seem.
Lastly, you are contesting that Roberts could have used his own physique to over-power Danielson. Yeah, never mind that King couldn't do it and he only wrestled for a couple of decades. Nah, the fucking ring announcer could easily take on Bryan Danielson. What a ridiculous point!
Yeah because the logical thinking I set out above really doesn't scream intelligent...
Yeah but the company rule is that blood is cleaned up straight away and the match stopped while it is cleaned. Yet Taker has bled in a few appearances lately and the match continued as to stop it would go against his character. Could it be that he went over the company line but, to stop the whole thing being turned into shit, Vince couldn't order security to stop Danielson as, how much of a bitch would Cena look compared to them?
According to one of Vince's most legendary recent quotes the WWE doesn't use household objects to attack people. Complete bollocks I agree, but the words of the head man himself. Double standards rear its ugly head again, thanks Vinnie Mac!
If CM Punk can be sent to developmental to "learn how to work" and all WWE TV wrestlers are "highly trained professional performers" *cough cough....Koslov, Khali, most of the divas** then it's easy to see how this could be legit.
Either way who really gives a fanny fart? Fact is he'll never be able to do all the crazy body destorying shit he usually does in the WWE and, having watched Raw live when it was taped over here back in April, no one gives a tarts furry cup about him. He's a minority favourite who's small compared to Evan Bourne and, in the grand scheme of things, won't make too much difference to whatever they've got planned for this NXT thing. If it'd been Wade Barrett it'd have been more shocking but, personally, this ranks up there with Carlito in the "face...bovvered" stakes.
Still, here's hoping he'll be back down here in Southend performing for about 200 people chanting "who are ya?" again soon, as at least I can mark out for a beer and kebab for under £10!
this is the most ridiculous conversation i've ever heard in my life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTslIMsKgz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSxBgKGY-4k&feature=related
this shit is way more disturbing for children then a fucking tie around the neck
even if there is a stranglation rule (WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT THERE IS) he was told by creative and bookers exactly what to do...because after all it is LIVE TV and the camera work has the be perfect and the camera men have the to be in the right spots when the producer cuts to them
some producer in the truck specifically had to say "mobile camera 3" which showed bryan danielson choking justin roberts
danielson didn't just decide out the fucking blue to rip justin roberts shirt off and choke him, that's an insurance liability...since he's not a contracted "wrestler"
im 100% sure he probably had to sign a waiver that night, probably like michael cole might of, that he wouldn't sue if he got hurt
none of this is Bryan Danielson's fault, some writer or booker didn't think it was overboard to do that and apparently it was to Linda McMahon
this is just another case how the *****es in the back will always get the nod from vince first before the wrestlers who kill themselves in the ring for him, the fucking ********er
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTslIMsKgz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSxBgKGY-4k&feature=related
this shit is way more disturbing for children then a fucking tie around the neck
even if there is a stranglation rule (WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT THERE IS) he was told by creative and bookers exactly what to do...because after all it is LIVE TV and the camera work has the be perfect and the camera men have the to be in the right spots when the producer cuts to them
some producer in the truck specifically had to say "mobile camera 3" which showed bryan danielson choking justin roberts
danielson didn't just decide out the fucking blue to rip justin roberts shirt off and choke him, that's an insurance liability...since he's not a contracted "wrestler"
im 100% sure he probably had to sign a waiver that night, probably like michael cole might of, that he wouldn't sue if he got hurt
none of this is Bryan Danielson's fault, some writer or booker didn't think it was overboard to do that and apparently it was to Linda McMahon
this is just another case how the *****es in the back will always get the nod from vince first before the wrestlers who kill themselves in the ring for him, the fucking ********er
Look I know to the WWE Bryan is not in the same place as guys like Cena, Batista, Orton, Undertaker & Edge. With that said, can someone explain how is Cena allowed to choke Orton with a cable cord, Edge can hit Orton with a chair on his dislocated shoulder, Batista can try to run over Cena and Undertaker is in a vegetative state, but because Bryan choked Roberts with a tie he is fired.
Aren't Cena's STFU, Kane's choke slam and Ziggler's sleeper hold forms of strangulation? Even Danielson's modified crippler crossface he was using in the WWE is a form of strangulation.
Also why has WWE not taken of the pics of Daniels on the WWE site or the matches he was in. Let alone a picture of him kicking Cena right in the head and a picture of Justin Roberts all messed up with his tie still tied tight around his neck.
Why is Danielson using Barret's slogan on his twitter, is that trademark by WWE? The winds of change are stirring.
Something smells extremely fishy to me in all this and If true it is by far the dumbest move by WWE in years. I hope TNA capitalizes on this idiotic move by the WWE
Aren't Cena's STFU, Kane's choke slam and Ziggler's sleeper hold forms of strangulation? Even Danielson's modified crippler crossface he was using in the WWE is a form of strangulation.
Also why has WWE not taken of the pics of Daniels on the WWE site or the matches he was in. Let alone a picture of him kicking Cena right in the head and a picture of Justin Roberts all messed up with his tie still tied tight around his neck.
Why is Danielson using Barret's slogan on his twitter, is that trademark by WWE? The winds of change are stirring.
Something smells extremely fishy to me in all this and If true it is by far the dumbest move by WWE in years. I hope TNA capitalizes on this idiotic move by the WWE
Its was an act against company conduct. At Over The Limit, the CM Punk/Rey Mysterio match was completely stopped because CM was dripping some blood. Its against company policy so they ran to fix the problem. The entire show was stopped. The most well performed match of the card. Why would you doubt that McMahon would send out security to stop Danielson? He was still going against the rules. I wouldn't be stupid enough to allow a worker to break my rules. Especially on world wide TV. Or even allow the cameraman to show it for such an extended period of time. Or air it a second time in a different show.
Security could've easily have interrupted Danielson, tell him it was wrong and continue the segment. The rest of NXT could be signaled to attack security and keep the segment going. Nobody did anything to stop him.
Well he was pretty stupid if he didn't even tell him to stop. You're suppose to talk to your partner when calling spots in a match. Justin Roberts must've been aware of it, but still allowed it to happen.
I was calling you smart...