Could There Ever Be Another "Kurt Angle Effect?"

[Trill Co$by]

In the early 2000s, the legendary Kurt Angle embarked into a rivalry against the rising star known as Edge that would ultimately see Angle walk out of the feud with no hair at all (and quite frankly, he never looked better). But perhaps what was even more unique about that feud was what transpired therein after. On an episode of Thursday Night Smackdown, Edge came out and got the crowd chanting "You suck" to the beat of Kurt Angle's theme song.

From that point on, and until his departure, no matter his alignment the crowd would always and I mean ALWAYS chant "You suck!" when his theme song hit. Quite frankly, I found that to be so disrespectful considering the amount of great matches Angle put on with his time in WWE, but to each their own.

And here we are just 6 years later and the mighty Olympic Gold Medalist has left the WWE for good it seems. But what has me in a wonder is, could there ever be another star with the "Kurt Angle" affect?

As it stands, I think that if there's anyone in the WWE that has such potential, it would be The Miz. While he doesn't have fans chanting "You Suck" at the sound of his theme, he does have the fans chanting "You're Awful" at the end of every promo. I can't say it would always be that way since he's never been face, but as it stands, Miz seems to be bitten by the Kurt Angle bug.

 

[I Heart Cena]

Well, there are fans every show who chant "Ce-na Suuuuuuucks" to the 3 note loop that occurs throughout his theme song. Unfortunately, it's rarely audible on TV. If Rock told the crowd to chant this, Cena would be toast. I wonder if Rock suggested this, but WWE told him not to tell the fans to do it.

Other than cena, I don't see anyone else getting this treatment. Miz maybe.

Kurt did the right thing by leaving Vince, however. He maintained his pride. good on him.

 

[pipebomber]

another Kurt Angle? no. Another wrestler that constantly gets a you suck chant or something to the effect? possible but not likely... that was something about kurt angle that the fun of doing that is what made Kurt Angle fun, and every time he went face he embrassed it. Kurt Angle is arguably the best wrestler in the past 15 years, both in the squared cirle as well as the actual circle. He is deffinantly one of the most athletic in professional wrestling. There will never be another kurt angle.

 

[mral82]

In the early 2000s, the legendary Kurt Angle embarked into a rivalry against the rising star known as Edge that would ultimately see Angle walk out of the feud with no hair at all (and quite frankly, he never looked better). But perhaps what was even more unique about that feud was what transpired therein after. On an episode of Thursday Night Smackdown, Edge came out and got the crowd chanting "You suck" to the beat of Kurt Angle's theme song.

From that point on, and until his departure, no matter his alignment the crowd would always and I mean ALWAYS chant "You suck!" when his theme song hit. Quite frankly, I found that to be so disrespectful considering the amount of great matches Angle put on with his time in WWE, but to each their own.

And here we are just 6 years later and the mighty Olympic Gold Medalist has left the WWE for good it seems. But what has me in a wonder is, could there ever be another star with the "Kurt Angle" affect?

As it stands, I think that if there's anyone in the WWE that has such potential, it would be The Miz. While he doesn't have fans chanting "You Suck" at the sound of his theme, he does have the fans chanting "You're Awful" at the end of every promo. I can't say it would always be that way since he's never been face, but as it stands, Miz seems to be bitten by the Kurt Angle bug.

The Miz when he started out on SD! years ago was a face but was turned heel thanks to JBL. Yes there's always that possibility of it happening but we wll have to wait to find out who the lucky sonofagun is when it happens.

 

[Pedigree1]

In short no there will never be another kurt angle type of effect!!! And i agree that its (as my boy on First take says SOOOOOOOO DISRESPECTFUL for that angle chants) Yah it was funny when it first happened but night after night it got old real fast. As much as that man accomplished in his historic career that is a slap in the face.

Yah the miz has the fans say your awful but that is a long aways away from angle. It could be miz has been bitten by the angle bug i kinda see that point!!

 

[Cats Pajamas]

Kurt Angle is today and will continue to forever be considered one of the greatest performers in wrestling history, no matter the style, the stage, the prize or the company. I think this effect has high potential to be mirrored by one of today's stars, but there's no doubt it would take an exceptionally gifted athlete (and actor) to make it happen...

Angle had skin tougher than an elephant's hide and part of that was because when he toted his Intensity, Integrity, and Intelligence... quite frankly, he was right. If you want to talk about pure wrestling ability, Angle is, pound for pound, as efficient as a Swiss clock in the ring. Maybe you've heard this before, but there's a little known fact: Angle won Olympic gold "with a broken freaking neck!" You'd almost think he fed off the chanting by the way he played to it.

It was genius how he'd have his gold medals in tow and he'd holler & scream at the audience, arguing all damn day (providing the proper time restraints) over who actually sucked in that arena: us or him. Even though Angle clearly wasn't annoyed by haters, he looked like a waspish little runt who you could piss off with juvenile antics. It got to the point where whether a face or a heel, Angle's theme became like Lynard Skynard's Free Bird; it sounded off key if you didn't have rednecks in the audience singing along.

If Jack Swagger's entrance theme had as simple a beat as Kurt's, you could easily have fans buy into the Angle/Swagger comparisons and chanting "You Thuck!" Could you imagine that Jezebel, Ms Guerrero, with her blood curdling scream, getting all riled up because fans were chanting disapprovingly at Jack? Now if only the All American American could play an entire stadium of fans like a Game Boy as Ms Guerrero does... you'd never hear even one "Swagger's bland" analysis from even the most holier-than-thou wrestling enthusiest!

Swagger is still, in my estimation, a hugely under appreciated talent on the roster. I can't imagine why he's so reserved about hustling the audience a little more; he's immensely athletic and has more scholarly brilliance than I have hairs on my ass. He's one of my favorites, actually, and a little confidence would unleash the potential officials recognized when they signed him and pushed him. Until next time walk don't run, never grow old, protect your investments and best regards, wrestling fans.

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[GI Cake]

By Kurt Angle Effect you mean being that damn good at getting heat? When Kurt Angle was in the WWE, he was an absolute heat magnet. He did just about everything when it came to getting the crowd to boo him. Rubbing in his Olympic gold medal, trashing the younger stars, imitating Stone Cold Steve Austin by chugging Milk cartons instead of Beer cans. Whatever he did, got the crowd buzzing with heat. And that was just because he was Kurt Angle. He was so good at getting heat, fans began chanting "You suck!" during his entrance theme. It wasn't because of Edge, but just the amount of heat Angle got simply for his music blasting through the speakers.

Will another Superstar get that kind of heat that they can boo during their entrance? Maybe, but it has to be something simple like the beat to Angles them. It just cries "You Suck!" I can not simply see (or in this case, hear) another Superstar getting that kind of effect when they enter the stage.

 

[Merkin353]

First of all my answer is no, second of all I think the "You Suck" chants are in no way shape or form disrespectful to the mans career... Not even the man, just the heel Character itself which he was so good at playing so it just stuck... Not to mention if the WWE wanted to change it they would have changed Angles theme... I've met angle a couple of times before and I have all the respect in the world for him but I'd still chant "You Suck" if he came back home.

 

[SD619]

The 'You Suck' chants directed at Angle went with his music. Its almost impossible to listen to his music and not think/chant 'You Suck'. I don't think that the chants were disrespectful, they were just chanted in a playful manner (mostly).

As for another star getting such chants, other than the 'Cena Sucks' and 'I'm the Miz and I'm 'Awful'' chants by the crowds, I don't see many other such chants.

EDIT: R-Truth keeps getting 'What' chants irrespective of turning face.

 

[BigPoppaPunk]

In the early 2000s, the legendary Kurt Angle embarked into a rivalry against the rising star known as Edge that would ultimately see Angle walk out of the feud with no hair at all (and quite frankly, he never looked better). But perhaps what was even more unique about that feud was what transpired therein after. On an episode of Thursday Night Smackdown, Edge came out and got the crowd chanting "You suck" to the beat of Kurt Angle's theme song.

From that point on, and until his departure, no matter his alignment the crowd would always and I mean ALWAYS chant "You suck!" when his theme song hit. Quite frankly, I found that to be so disrespectful considering the amount of great matches Angle put on with his time in WWE, but to each their own.

And here we are just 6 years later and the mighty Olympic Gold Medalist has left the WWE for good it seems. But what has me in a wonder is, could there ever be another star with the "Kurt Angle" affect?

As it stands, I think that if there's anyone in the WWE that has such potential, it would be The Miz. While he doesn't have fans chanting "You Suck" at the sound of his theme, he does have the fans chanting "You're Awful" at the end of every promo. I can't say it would always be that way since he's never been face, but as it stands, Miz seems to be bitten by the Kurt Angle bug.

I pretty much agree with most of what you said here. Angle did such a phenominal job wrestling and entertaining. In a short period of time, he had 5 star matches, no matter who it was with. He even managed to elevate Cena during his debut match(and even his later fued with Cena). Here was a rookie who adapted from amateur wrestling to pro wrestling and managed to do so while looking like a veteran. I can't ever remember a guy who made the transition from amateur to pro wrestling so quickly. While others have done it, none have caught on as quickly and had such memorable moments and feuds in a span of 5-6 years. During his elevation in the mid card, I quickly became a fan of his 3 I's gimmick and ability in the ring. Not to mention his seemingly effortless transition to the main events.

And I also agree with you that The Miz is a guy that has the potential to have the Kurt Angle affect. While he's not nearly as technical as Angle or as good of an in ring worker, The Miz has made noticable vast improvements in the past few years. He went from a reality TV wrestling wannabe to a guy that defied the odds and made it in pro wrestling. Initially, I wasn't a fan of the Miz's, but it seems like he's always striving to improve and trying to unselffishly to promote the WWE. Few guys do as much PR work for WWE in a year as The Miz does is a couple months. One main reason I'm scratching my head as to why WWE is depushing their next potential breakout star. Thus the reason WWE can't ever find the future to lead the company. These days, they never take chances on guys and hand them the ball and allow them to run with it. Which is truly a shame in the Miz's case, because it's clear he's upped his game in the ring and on the mic.

These days in WWE, however, I guess we'll never know for sure if anyone has the potential to have the Kurt Angle affect. They'd rather take the easy way out and keep guys like Cena, Orton, HHH and Taker on top then take chances on guys like Sheamus, Miz, Swagger, or Christian. WM is a great example of that, as WWE would rather have a match with Teddy Long/John Laurenitis than focus on either The Miz or Dolph Ziggler. What's wrong with that picture? We never would've saw that in the Attitude era when WCW was competition, and ironically, WWE made fun of WCW for only using established veterans. Wow how the tables have turned in a decade...

 

[Mustang Sally]

... I think the "You Suck" chants are in no way shape or form disrespectful to the mans career...

Definitely true. As hard as it is for many performers to get any reaction at all from the crowd, I'll bet any one of them would love if someone would initiate a negative chant against them, particularly if they're playing a heel. As stated earlier, John Cena even embraces the "you suck" chant even though he's portraying a face. It's a tribute, not a knock.

From way back in my memory, I recall a wrestler named Don Muraco who was driven crazy (kayfabe) by the audience chanting "beach bum!" at him. In reality, he was probably thrilled to get this kind of attention, knowing it was something all for him, no one else. Also, I doubt the chant was invented by the audience; WWE probably planted some people in the crowd to start it going, with the crowd picking up on it.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Kurt Angle's chant wasn't spontaneously generated by the audience, either. More likely, a guy from Creative walked up to him one day and said:

"Hey, Kurt, how would you feel about it if we got the crowd to..........?"

 

[One to Remember]

i dont know whathe "kurt angle effect" is and im sure the op doesnt even know what his deffinition is of it. theres no other examples to really site. is it supposed to be when someones career or persona is harmed when an enemy wrestler launches an attack that the audience cant let go of? If so not even Kurt Angle is a victim of this because when he was heel the chants were appropriate and showed he got reactions. When he was face the chants got so low that those still chanting it empowered those behind Angle. In essence, those chanting "you suck" past a heel reign simply became passe fools. Angle took a Rock rout as opposed to a Rocky Maivia rout. He fed into it and reveled in the revulsion. Angle shrugging the chants off was akin to that one nitro were someone throw a drink or something at scott hall while Bishcoff was giving a statement and hall used the drink to slick back his jet black hair in a moment James Dean in a leather jacket couldn't duplicate. As far as Cena chants go those show discontent but if Cena were to directly address that he could easily get his supporters to drain the haters out and even if the Rock got them chanting Cena would still have 65 percent of the people their backing him..

As for Miz he only works as a heel, i wouldnt see him as a credible wrestler if he wasn't heel. The more chants he gets the better, and i would like one heel to just stay heel through out his career like Steamboat stayed face for two freakin decades during his whole career. No one has been ruined by a chant really. He would have more steam in TNA if Angle used his old music.

P.S. While we are on the topic I'd like to see the Patriot battle Angle in a best of seven series over the rights to the music anyways..

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Well, there are fans every show who chant "Ce-na Suuuuuuucks" to the 3 note loop that occurs throughout his theme song. Unfortunately, it's rarely audible on TV. If Rock told the crowd to chant this, Cena would be toast. I wonder if Rock suggested this, but WWE told him not to tell the fans to do it.

Other than cena, I don't see anyone else getting this treatment. Miz maybe.

Kurt did the right thing by leaving Vince, however. He maintained his pride. good on him.

So Angle leaving Vince to further fuck his neck up for a shitty company is a good thing? Lots of pride there, he went from people giving a fuck to no one giving a fuck about him. But hey at least he still has his wife.....at least he didn't get in trouble with the law......at least he still has his health.....at least he's not a charicature of himself who doesn't sell anything long term and does the same fucking finishing stretch he was doing 10 years ago and now no one bites on his falsies......yea dude, I don't understand your last statement at all.

Cena wouldn't be "toast", he already gets 100% of the audience to make noise, you don't understand pro wrestling.

lol "I wonder if Rock suggested this, but WWE told him not to tell the fans to do it." You are a MEGA SMARK. You honest to god think that WWE is this evil machine trying to pull a fast one on everyone and despirately wants Cena to get cheered. However, there is absolutely not logic to that at all. In fact, considering we've seen RVD vs Cena, Punk vs Cena, "cena sucks" shirts, and just about everything else that clearly shows that the WWE understands that Cena is essentially a heel and a face at the same time.

I'm not sure what "Kurt Angle" affect is honestly. Is it booing/chanting when you're supposed to? Then sure, Miz works.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I skipped the OP so I'm prepared to sound extremely stupid or delghtfully insightful. Kurt Angle the character, ye can be done. Many amateur wrestlers trying to cut a break can be given that submission, suplex-machine gimmick. Kurt Angle is an all round performer. His skills, mic skills, charisma are unique. Someone REALLY good can only reach there.

The 'You Suck' deal, Uh ye something smarmy and pipey can be done. Its not impossible. But remember how well Lance Storm's 'Boring' gimmick went? Ye a pillow.

 

[One to Remember]

Cena wouldn't be "toast", he already gets 100% of the audience to make noise, you don't understand pro wrestling.

lol "I wonder if Rock suggested this, but WWE told him not to tell the fans to do it." You are a MEGA SMARK. You honest to god think that WWE is this evil machine trying to pull a fast one on everyone and despirately wants Cena to get cheered. However, there is absolutely not logic to that at all. In fact, considering we've seen RVD vs Cena, Punk vs Cena, "cena sucks" shirts, and just about everything else that clearly shows that the WWE understands that Cena is essentially a heel and a face at the same time.

I'm not sure what "Kurt Angle" affect is honestly. Is it booing/chanting when you're supposed to? Then sure, Miz works.

cena is not a heel and a face at the same time.. a heel is defined by perception as well as mentality. cena doesnt have heel attributes at all. even the girl friend stilling was put on the girl and not him. a backlash from 30 percent of the crowd does not make him heel by any means..

 

[markostojic]

I see what you mean, Miz probably is the most likely current WWE talent to have this REACTION, but IMO, i don't think anyone actually will get the treatment from backstage. Nobody is as over with the crowd nowadays as they used to be and it would really take a CM Punk-sized promo to really catapult that heel into the position. I mean, sure, people hate him and have the "awful" chant, but, especially recently, he hasn't really been doing anything lately to garner that type of response